Oh, man. A lot of fans are disappointed with season three of squid game and particularly that ending. We're gonna be discussing all of that. What went wrong with this show? What could the rumored US spin off do even better to improve upon it?
Alfredo Brown:All that more on an episode of.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Point of clarification before spoiler warning. This was actually the end of season two. There is no season three of Squid Game. Don't be lied to. Anyway, on that note, be prepared to be spoiled if you haven't seen season what they're calling three of Squid Game.
Alfredo Brown:Gosh. I love that you you take the liberties in the spoiler warning. Be like, this joke's gonna fucking hit. I'm gonna shoot this from half court.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Not a And you're gonna play it. I'm upset.
Alfredo Brown:This is not
Matthew Kopfhamer:a joke. You're not wrong. I am I am upset by what they did by splitting season two into two seasons and calling it two seasons. Horseshit. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Fuck you, Netflix.
Jagger May:I mean, always love it because normally, I'm negative Nancy, and I'm like, well, come on, guys. You know? And you guys are both just like like, I'm mad. And, like, cough, you're only one. Yeah.
Jagger May:You're the only one who, like, had to wait, I guess, on stuff. Because, like, me and Alfredo just watched it yesterday for comedic purposes.
Alfredo Brown:So I I think this is gonna be good because it's gonna allow us to give different perspectives here. Jag, you and I basically watched these, what's called, three seasons, right, for the sake of conversation over the last, like, five days. Coffee, you have been doing this over years, so there's going to be a different perspective here. I want to start this off with what went wrong with Squid Game season three, because I think the overwhelming opinion from all of us and the reason I don't want to make this a review is because we can't really just do, like, forty five minutes of that sucked or we didn't like a lot of things. What actually went wrong with this?
Alfredo Brown:Jag, kick us off here. What didn't you like? What could they have done differently?
Jagger May:I think it's we we keep talking about, you know, in our own group chat, how we wanna have a retreat. We need a jar that says every time Hollywood or whatever studio stretches something out too long, we're gonna put $20 in it because we'll be able to afford whatever vacation because that's what it is. This is they stretch this out, and we have this this worn out tired dog. Like, you see those, pictures of dogs that are that clearly have on their fifth litter. This is where we're at with a show that had a beautiful story and could have been really conclusive in two seasons, but they took that third one and they stretched it out.
Jagger May:And I wanna bring up the main point of of what everyone was here for. Netflix mastered the binge about how they set up the games, where, like, season one, I literally could not stop because I'm like, oh, fuck. We're stopping in the middle of the game. We lost that momentum in season two and then especially in season three.
Alfredo Brown:Cough. I mean, this was something where I think we can all just say it was Netflix that stretched this out. Like, this was commerce taking over art a 100%. Like, one of the things I wanted to say was that, the director and guys, let's just get this out here. Alright?
Alfredo Brown:None of us are fluent in Korean. We are going to mess up these names. We're going to try our best. But Hwang Dong Hyuk was the director of this show, and his quote where he basically just wanted to be out of this, like, out of this show, out of directing this was so telling. I'm gonna read it to you guys.
Alfredo Brown:Okay? He said, I had a lot of depressing thoughts in my mind as I was working on this show. More than that, I think I'm happier that I am free of the burden, the intense pressure I have now finished. That's not what you wanna hear from someone who was creating art, something that they put their heart and soul into, something that fans put their heart and soul into. This sounds a lot like he made one good season of something.
Alfredo Brown:Netflix is like, yo, we gotta cash in on this. Let's do some more. He thought maybe he could do a second season. They're like, nah, homie. We got you for a third season.
Alfredo Brown:We're gonna keep stretching this out. And he just wanted to be done with it, man. Koff, I don't know about you, but, Jag and I, like, we just hate this was stretched out so much.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. First of all, I hate the fact that we had a seven episode and then a six episode season. Like, what the fuck are we doing? These are not miniseries. These are supposed to be episodic seasonal series.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Give us fuck at least nine episodes. I mean, at least the first season had nine, which was decent. But fucking what are we doing with this horseshit of doing sub 10 episode seasons and then waiting multiple years in between seasons? Like, get it. Editing takes time.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Shooting shit takes time. Like, I have build all these sets. I get that it takes time. But if I'm not mistaken, didn't they shoot season two and three together anyway? So Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:What are we doing? Do the marketing.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. It's literally artificial it's it's such a bullshit way of modern television to continue to pump out money and advertising dollars for something that really shouldn't be. And it just feels soulless. It's weird because Netflix doesn't have advertisements. So are they just hoping that they can string along more subscribers in the end?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, don't drop all the episodes at one time then. It's such a baffling way for them to do business that it literally is upsetting because I just want, at the end of the day, a good story. And by making us wait for these two seasons like they did, they not only hurt the story, but they also like, they hurt the continuity of the story, and that ends up hurting the understanding overall. And then you throw in the fact that it's a foreign language show where people then have to either put on dubs or subs and really pay attention. And if they're not paying attention, they lose out on vital key moments in the story.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And the story moves fast enough to where you miss five minutes, you miss multiple plot lines. Unless we're talking about a detective storyline, which was pointless.
Jagger May:That that I'll never blame
Alfredo Brown:a show. I'll never blame a show for saying, hey, you have too many details. Right? Like, because that's No. That's sort of the show.
Alfredo Brown:You either buy into the style of it or you don't.
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. Compounding that with the way they structured it is, in my in my opinion, is criminal. Like, that's that's fucked up.
Alfredo Brown:And this isn't this isn't even a Netflix thing either, guys. Like, this isn't even just a squid game thing. Just think about all the recent well, think not even television. Think about all the recent things we've done. Twenty eight years later, we were all we had questions and annoyances with the ending and the way that was done.
Alfredo Brown:It's like, well, don't worry because you got another one coming and possibly a third one if we get the money. Like, okay. And then last of us, it felt the same way, something that we all got really hyped about. We got an ending that we didn't love, like, barely any closure. And it's like, don't worry, though, because we filmed the next season already, baby, and Abby's gonna be the main character.
Alfredo Brown:So get excited. You can stop hating yourself.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Gonna wait two years.
Alfredo Brown:And it's just like it it just feels like there's always this kind of human centipede of content that we now as a society have come to expect because it's just it's the never ending dollar for these streaming services, for these movie corporations. Like, we're about to get, like, Shrek fucking eight, where they're talking about Shrek going to the real world. Like, what what are we doing? We're we just keep adding on more and more things and recreating more and more things. Pixar I know I'm going on a rant here, but Pixar's talking about it now with with with Elio, this this movie that has gotten great reviews, but it's not making money.
Alfredo Brown:And now the picks the head of Pixar is like, well, I guess that's what happens when you make originals. Don't worry. We're gonna give you Moana part four. It's just like it's it's driving me insane. And now we've gotten that with something that I think a lot of us looked at as a very pure form of art with this first Squid Game season and how good that story was and how original it felt and how shocking it was to a culture.
Alfredo Brown:This was a cultural phenomenon, not just a good show. And then you did this. You followed up a beautiful meal with a piece of shit on a plate for dessert. And I don't mean to reduce it to that much, but for the people like you, Koff, that had to wait years and years for this, I'm sure that's
Matthew Kopfhamer:how it felt. Yeah. A little bit. Jagger, you mentioned in a previous podcast about, like, somebody putting a little bit of poop in a brownie. This was, like, half poop.
Matthew Kopfhamer:This is, like, a brownie with half poop in it. And that's how it No.
Alfredo Brown:This was poop with a swirl of chocolate.
Jagger May:Okay. Well, don't think I don't think I'm where you guys are. Like, where I think it's that bad in here. Just I
Matthew Kopfhamer:What was the point at the end of this? Like, what was the point? What was the story they were trying to tell? Because the detective storyline felt like a giant waste of time.
Jagger May:It was a waste
Matthew Kopfhamer:of time. It it the whole it felt like the entire point of this these last two seasons would be like, you know, at the end of the day, guys, like, you're just little people that can't do anything anyway, so you might as well die for the entertainment of billionaires. That's really what felt like.
Alfredo Brown:That that's where it is, and it felt like we it felt like we came full circle, but not in a in a completion sort of way. It and and just hearing the director who wants I'm just gonna say the name again so I can practice it. Huang Huang Dong Yuk, who spoke about this and said, you can interpret the ending to be anything. My guy, that's out, dog. That feels art house for lazy.
Alfredo Brown:Like, that's that wow.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Humans are lazy.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. I just Humans are splat.
Jagger May:I just had, like, an epiphany moment, guys. And seeing Alfredo's rage, Kas rage, again, I'm gonna put a quarter in the jar, guys. This and this is a a whole commentary on just Asian work culture. They will, like, put a 100 in it and burn themselves out. This is how a lot of anime ends, doc, where they're just like, I felt so much intense pressure all
Alfredo Brown:I anime now.
Jagger May:I know, dude. And I know I just like
Alfredo Brown:pushing me further.
Jagger May:Yeah, dude. It's like, imagine you do 500 episodes for Homeboy just to be like, I was so tired. I'm like, no.
Matthew Kopfhamer:This dude did one two This guy did 22 episodes. He was like, I'm out. I can't do anymore.
Jagger May:It happens all the time. Like, I'm just saying and and I guess where you guys you're right, Koff. Because, like, maybe it was bad, and maybe, again, I'm just a victim. I I I really enjoy these types of stories because it felt like there was zero payoff. Because you gotta think about Jihun.
Jagger May:He didn't stop anything. He didn't have he tried to do what Katniss Everdeen did, in a sense to where I'm not gonna play your game, but when your when your audience is only this five fucking people in weird diamond mask, it doesn't work. It's like, okay. Well, I guess we're gonna go to America now. Dip out.
Jagger May:Whereas, like, with Hunger Games, it worked because everyone was watching it, and you had to worry about a riot and upsetting the masses. So that didn't quite work. And like you said, man, what the fuck? That that worst detective ever, dog. At first, like, season one, I thought he was on some real shit.
Jagger May:You know? I was like, homie could sneak in. Everything felt very thoughtful. But afterwards, I'm like, this dude is sus. Your homie over there, dumber than a box of rocks, can understand.
Jagger May:Your homie's like a puppy that understands bad vibes. You know? Just like, my dog can't speak a word of English and only has two emotions, but he doesn't like you. And you ignored that. That was frustrating.
Alfredo Brown:I think, Jag, the character that you point out here, detective Huang, like, that is the character, I think, that depicts this show's struggle the most. In season one, he's able to sneak into the compound. I don't wanna say easily, but with relative ease comparatively. Because then what they do here in seasons two through three is like, Adag, we're gonna have you just, like, kinda looking for it forever. Like, just out on on on the SS Minnow with you with your boys not being able to find this, and we just kinda have you off to the side.
Alfredo Brown:Like, that and that's
Matthew Kopfhamer:that's my biggest problem with the show. The most obvious plant ever in Captain Park. I mean, like Yeah. Dude was sus from minute one, and he's like, nah. He's my friend.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's like, what?
Jagger May:Coffee time.
Alfredo Brown:You say sus was was nice.
Jagger May:It does
Alfredo Brown:And even even Felt like you're one of the kids.
Jagger May:Even the fuck ass homie or black, we made that word first. Fuck the kids. Phrasing? Even the oh, yeah. Even, like, the the fuck ass dude on there.
Jagger May:Like, I wish you and maybe I missed this because, like I said, we kinda had to rush through this. But I wish he would have said, I got drunk, and I told him about, I told him about our plan. He like, it the communication factor was really dumb, and it's Yeah. I wanna point out Jurassic Park, the book, since we all just had, like, a group reread of it. How he got in, I I wouldn't wanna downplay where he said it was easy.
Jagger May:It was him using the entire squid game structure's biggest strength against it, where they their whole thing was no one knows about this, so we're just gonna do some weird shit. But as soon as he knew and saw something, he was able to exploit and get in. And he just, like, lost all of that as a character. He's like, no one knows about this, so maybe I should follow people or do what, what Homeboy did. It's it's one thing if you took three years to find him, and and one, the Squid Game people knew that they were being, like, hunted by Ji Hyun.
Jagger May:If he even if he would have taken those methods, it would have it it it would have felt like yield him more results. It's just like, what are you doing, man? The dumbest fucking cop in Korea? Like, I know y'all are better than this. You
Matthew Kopfhamer:You need a counselor. I
Jagger May:mean Everyone needs therapy. That's, like, a whole thing.
Alfredo Brown:But That's we'll do another episode on that. Don't worry.
Jagger May:It's coming
Alfredo Brown:up. That's that'll be a miniseries for us. I think that this also kinda exposes the biggest problem with the show that a lot of people felt to struggle with is that you didn't really get answers. And I know that's what a lot of TV has turned into, which is we are going to string you along for the mystery and then give you an answer. And then by the way, even if you don't get those answers, it's okay because that's art.
Alfredo Brown:We're we're
Matthew Kopfhamer:gonna give you a season,
Alfredo Brown:or we're gonna give you a spin off. Like, we get
Jagger May:that piece of fuck.
Alfredo Brown:I mean, dude, we've we got it's it's Severance. It's it's White Lotus. It's it's everything now. It's let's string you along because this is what keeps you coming back for each episode is more mystery. Note little to no answers.
Alfredo Brown:And then when we finally give you an answer, it's gonna be just a very volatile reaction just filled with vitriol. Where are they gonna love it and be, like, on cloud nine with it, or we're gonna absolutely hate it. And there's very few people that are in the middle. I would say I'm I'm leaning closer to the middle. Like, I don't think that the season was horrible.
Alfredo Brown:I just think that they spent a lot of time on characters that didn't give
Matthew Kopfhamer:us anything.
Alfredo Brown:And, like, I honestly thought that Inho, the front man, was such an intriguing character, and I would have loved more
Jagger May:about it.
Alfredo Brown:When you find out that he was
Jagger May:in the Squid Games Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:You find out he was in the Squid Games, I would have loved to get some more flashbacks on that. I would have loved to find out more about him and his brother. Like, what why did he keep his brother alive? And then, like, this whole thing, like, there's so much. Like, we even got that little morsel there where it's like, oh, you'd think he would go to his wife's grave.
Alfredo Brown:Like, okay. How did his wife die? Give us some of that. They they spread this out so much where instead of focusing on one, one p one piece of food on the plate, right, and making that food really good, they put too many things out on the dish, and it became a cruise ship buffet where it's all just been sitting out there under the heat lamp for too long. And that's exactly what these characters became, just stale because there was no progression in their stories for episodes upon episodes.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I will suggest pulling
Jagger May:me down, Tory, where you guys are at because fundamentally, I've bitched about all these things. Like, legitimately, and and, like, they're all these YouTube videos that are say, ending explained, here's the ending explained. They want you to watch more. That's the fucking ending. That that that's Always.
Jagger May:There there's no there's nothing to explain. If you clicked on a whole video hoping you're gonna get insight, they're like, Kate Blanchett, she makes money, and they're gonna put her into a role, and they want us to watch the American version. And it's gonna work because I love David Fincher and everything he's gonna do, and they're gonna and it just feels cheap. It feels cheap. And that's just we have to stop rewarding that behavior.
Jagger May:And like you said, man, my favorite parts of season two and three were when we got context on some of these interesting characters. Like, the recruiter was my favorite character. Like Yeah. He he was he said six fucking words season one. And I'm like like, homie like, give me more homie over here.
Jagger May:And then
Alfredo Brown:There was something captivating about him. Like, his energy was very charming on screen. That's the point. He's a recruiter.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He's charismatic.
Alfredo Brown:And like you
Jagger May:and like you said, Alfredo, the whole this is why people got mad at me in the comments, and your hate nourishes me. I know that's overused. But from you guys are watching a show with no endgame in sight. There's they they don't know where they're going. They're just playing jazz.
Jagger May:And and I'll give severance credit because I feel like severance rewards me with answers. Do they give me more questions? Yes. From and some of these other things, they've given me no answers.
Alfredo Brown:And that's fine. I'm actually okay with you giving us answers than giving us more questions. Yes. Because that gives the show more depth and allows you to to explore more characters, especially when it's something like this where it is a mystery thriller. You don't have a mystery thriller show without more questions.
Alfredo Brown:So I get it. Like, the keeping it going on. I think that when we stopped having questions is when this baby showed up. And I'm just going to say that. Like, I I think that that was probably the most annoying.
Alfredo Brown:We can call it plot hole, plot armor, plot device, whatever we wanna say. It it just kind of fucked the plot by having the baby in there. It felt cheap. It felt like this season was giving us a lot of just cheap emotional tugs, the heartstrings. And as soon as the baby showed up, the show was already a little predictable.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It broke
Alfredo Brown:the tension. Became completely predictable because you know that baby's not dying.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It jumped the shirt.
Jagger May:Have such a it's weird that you have such a visceral response to this baby and not the twenty eight years later baby. Because, like,
Matthew Kopfhamer:I feel like
Jagger May:Taylor's baby was, like, way more
Alfredo Brown:I hated that baby too. Honestly, these babies could be the stars of a movie called babies I don't care about. Like, I See, the thing is I hate all these
Jagger May:babies.
Matthew Kopfhamer:At least twenty years later, the baby the the the baby kinda meant something. Like, it meant to, like, show, like, the evolution and innocent. Well, anyway, the reason the baby didn't work in this one because, like Alfredo said, it literally turned this entire back half of this season predictable because he's like, alright. Baby's here. They're not gonna kill it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:They're gonna turn all these got these greedy assholes like, oh, we're gonna kill the baby, and they're not gonna do it. It just, I don't know, it just broke the entire tension for me. And the most interesting part about season two was the interactions between the front man and g Gi hun. I mean, they were supposed to be like mirrors of each other, especially when you get the reveal that the front man used to be a contestant on show and he won the he won the game. And he gives Jihoon the same exact opportunity to, like, take out his competition the night before, and he doesn't do it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I did. I like that. And instead of focusing on that, they kinda just dropped that plot line. And instead, we got almost no resolution of that other than Ji Hyun once again sacrifices himself, and then you have that little moment where the front man looks at him like, respect, I guess. I don't know.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I didn't really understand what that was.
Alfredo Brown:But what was meaning of thinking?
Jagger May:Event. It should have been a canon event for him. Realistically, in writing, you're like, oh, wow. When you set someone else up to be just like you because you are so convinced of the way the world is and they do the opposite, that should have generated at a canon event. It could have been a negative response.
Jagger May:It could have been
Matthew Kopfhamer:a positive response. But no situation.
Jagger May:Yes. And then, like, he just, like, I guess I'm gonna go back to work. Like, homie just
Matthew Kopfhamer:I guess I'm gonna give wild one.
Alfredo Brown:That was the biggest problem with that scene because because Inho, the the front man, you could see it on his face. He now feels less than. He's been trying to break him. He's been trying to break Gi hun and try to tell him, like, do you still believe in people? And it turns out he still does.
Alfredo Brown:And we realized, like, damn, he's not like me, but nothing came of that. Nothing changed. Honestly, if you could have even given us the ending where the way that Gi hun changed or ended the games was to change In Ho, that's that's actually a pretty cool ending too. Like, I'm actually kinda down with that. He kills all the VIPs, ends the games right there.
Alfredo Brown:They leave. Like, self destruct all that same shit that could have sent the same message about hope in the world and protecting the protecting the next generation because that was the whole thing that the director was trying to do here. His last quote, I'm I'm not gonna try to read quotes the whole time, but the way he talked about the baby was saying, I believe we also have the responsibility and duty to try everything that we can in our power to leave a better world for the future generation. How the fuck did you try to fit that into squid game, my guy? Like, how did we get there from where we were in season one?
Alfredo Brown:Even where we were in season two, I don't understand how we get there. That once again,
Jagger May:think we
Alfredo Brown:It doesn't. It doesn't. It just has nothing to do with the themes that have been going on throughout this whole show. And that's where I think it's just Netflix stretched this out. He got lazy, tired, scared, whatever we want to say.
Alfredo Brown:And he was just like, you know what's going to work? Let's get a let's get a baby in here and let's just let the baby win and self sacrifice and make it feel almost like a religious experience at this point that Gyoen is going to kill himself.
Jagger May:You guys have made me learn something about myself that I've already like known.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, let's go.
Jagger May:I'm pretty immune most of the time to, like, glitz and glamor to like things.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Unless it's a for a language.
Jagger May:Well, no. I'm not I'm not a fucking pretentious asshole. Like, like, if anything, I didn't watch Squid Game because I had to try so hard. Like, it was a the fact that like, I'm a sucker for class war, man. Like, my favorite movies, my favorite things are all the this the same stuff.
Jagger May:So, like, I am that fan that's, like, even though when you see the trademark coming, you're like, come on, guys. You're not that bad. You know? Like, like, that's me. Can
Alfredo Brown:can I ask you guys something? Because I was reading this. The the Reddit board's going crazy right now with questions and theories and all that. I I know there's, like, the whole rule change of, like, how they're voting in between games. Could Guillaume not have just done the same thing he tried to do in season one where they If they
Jagger May:can't vote?
Alfredo Brown:Maybe abstains and one person says, yes. Like, we're we're gonna because that's it's not a no. That would be majority. That's only one person voting, and that's, like, gonna say,
Matthew Kopfhamer:it's over. You have to stop games and
Jagger May:the games are over.
Matthew Kopfhamer:They're already over. Okay. Yeah. By the time he didn't the last game was the was the platform game. So there was no
Alfredo Brown:more No. I know. But I'm saying he tried to do that in sees like, in the middle of the final squid game in season one. Remember when he's fighting his childhood friend? Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:And he and he actually forfeits right then there, but the friend chooses not to forfeit and kills himself. And that's what makes him win. If the baby abstains from voting and Gi hun decides I'm gonna forfeit right here and the baby abstains, that that's it. Game over. The only I I think the only, like, kind of plot armor there is the rule change, which doesn't really get expanded on.
Jagger May:Yeah. I guess I'll give that. And I think and and this is a little bit of a, a pivot, but I'm just kinda thinking of where this should have gone. And I know, like like, the the rule changes I understand why they had some rule changes, but maybe just, like, adjusted a little bit. But, like, I think if they would have focused on the rule changes and maybe had a little bit more interaction between In Ho and Ji Hyun about him proving that, specifically his class of people and humanity in general, it's never gonna be enough.
Jagger May:You know? Because, like, that's where I thought they were going to go with. And, like, Alfredo, I'm actually happy that you said this because normally it's me. I'm normally like, it should have been darker. But, like, realistically, it should have been, man, where everyone just like because how did most of those people get there where they said just one more?
Jagger May:They like, they're in the casino hitting the button one more time, and that's kind of what the squid games go. And, like, no matter what, psychologically, this is what's going to happen, and that's why it wins. And it's not and and and and maybe and maybe it should have went where Jihun went dark, man. Like, he should have, you know, like, give me a cool little geometric mask. I'll take the triangles.
Jagger May:You keep the box. You know? It's like
Matthew Kopfhamer:He had he had that moment when he during the hide and seek when he, you know, choked out homeboy. So you saw him go dark, and then he and then he flipped back.
Alfredo Brown:I love that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That was dark I didn't either.
Jagger May:That was just like, he deserved to die. But, like, I'm at full blown. Do I kill a baby? But how Or should I kill other?
Matthew Kopfhamer:But how does that how does that fit in then with the morality tale that they're trying to tell with Jihoon that it's like, okay. It's okay to kill the one guy because he betrayed you, but it's not okay to kill anybody. It just we it was weird.
Jagger May:Entire thing
Matthew Kopfhamer:about the Hunger
Jagger May:Games were massive. To the Hunger Games.
Alfredo Brown:You're you're so right about about, like, how this didn't fit because, like, Jack, what what you guys both said is a 100% correct. And just to, like, encapsulate that is, like, you can't have episode upon episode upon episode of all of these characters who are addicted to gambling or have some sort of backstory that, for the most part, we don't know, Be like, you know what? One more game. Let's do it. And I get that's why they made the rule change so they could even expand upon that and show the selfishness of these characters.
Alfredo Brown:Right? And it kind of felt like they never got past that real starting line of it. Like, start it was the starting line was, let's vote. And then that was really it. Like, we didn't expand on it more and more and more.
Alfredo Brown:I think the closest we got to expanding on that was during the hide and seek game where there are two characters are going around killing more people, they need to because it means that they'll get more money. And that was, like, the first clue that, like, oh, this guy's really a piece of shit. It's not just that he's, like, a, you know, that he has a gambling problem or that he's not a good he's a bad investor or that he's, like, a bad father. He's just actually evil. And that was, I think, the only time where we truly expanded on that.
Alfredo Brown:Outside of that, I think they tried to shove a lot of that into the final game with a bunch of characters that we did not care about, a bunch of dudes that we just didn't even know their name. Like, I think it could have been even more powerful if we get to the end, and it is the characters we do know. And it is them all having to I mean, maybe they don't get to that point. Right? But maybe more of a mix where everyone's morality is truly called into question at that point.
Alfredo Brown:That that and I think that would have been stronger.
Jagger May:I I think g hunt we've all seen Looper. Right? They should have taken that route where everything is a cycle. How do you become a billionaire and greedy is because you'll just say just a little bit more all the way to where your luck works out and you become awful to keep what you have, or you'll say just a little bit more to where you dig yourself in the hole. And Jihun would kill himself to end the cycle, kinda like Looper, where he's just like, this all got started about revenge and violence, and I'm killing myself to end the loop.
Jagger May:Like, that should have been the focus. So you almost have the same ending, but because we focused on the message, it has, like, it has a more impactful and more focused message, at the end of the day. Can we talk about another annoying thing that kinda got missed? I think that In Ho entering and this is small. Entering the games as zero zero one, would how can you have that much trauma as Jihun?
Jagger May:You have a lot of fucking trauma from that, and you're not even remotely suspicious. You're like, oh, yeah, dude. This guy seems cool.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Totally found it. Oh, and your name is zero one? Oh, yeah. Totally makes sense.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah. What?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Fucking dog. What? Yeah.
Jagger May:You spent
Matthew Kopfhamer:You've already got this yeah. You've got this play run on you once before, and because he's not an old man this time, you're like, ah, nothing suspicious.
Jagger May:He just he
Alfredo Brown:he wasn't suspicious. Especially Like, there's
Matthew Kopfhamer:Bro, as soon as as in the hole started throwing down, like, on those dudes and, like, beating the shit out of people, it's like, alright. This guy's got some history that we don't know about. Like
Alfredo Brown:well You could assume that everyone kinda does, but there was like Oh,
Matthew Kopfhamer:because
Alfredo Brown:of
Matthew Kopfhamer:was
Alfredo Brown:one time in particular.
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. I mean I'm saying like his martial training was no. I know. But the way he was able to dispatch those, like, four dudes with ease, it's like, alright. Clearly, this guy's got some shit going on.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I just you were right, Jag. The the lack of suspicion was just baffling to me.
Jagger May:Yeah. It
Alfredo Brown:was There was one part in particular where
Matthew Kopfhamer:there Especially when he was like,
Alfredo Brown:know who's us.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mhmm. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, yeah. But, like, the the one part to me that stood out is when all the other players are asking Guion who's watching us, and he points up, and he's like, them. And the only one to not look up is Inno because he he knows. Like, he doesn't he's not even just, like, looking up and be like, oh, what's going on up there? He and that should have been suspicious right out of the gate.
Jagger May:That bothered me from jump. I'm just like, come on now, guys. Like like, what the like, you could even change your number to, like, 30. Like, he was bad all around. And maybe maybe this is a cultural thing because I I kinda brought this up to you guys in the group chat, a cough.
Jagger May:I know you've seen the at least the American version, but of speak no evil, where sometimes things and how they are written, we just we think it's bad writing, but we're just not Korean. Like, maybe Korean, Korea and South Korea is just like a a way more trusting culture, and they just don't lie. Whereas, like, America, we don't give a fuck. It's like literally the Wild West out
Matthew Kopfhamer:there. Shit.
Jagger May:People lied just for the plot. You know? Like, just it's like we're not even live living a movie here or and whatever because, like, Speak No Evil specifically changed its ending. A lot of people like, that's not how the Dutch ending, worked, but, like, it wouldn't have made sense in America. Like, the whole thing about speaking of evil, it was about Dutch compliance.
Jagger May:Americans are not compliant. We we just we you can't tell us what to do. We ain't. You know? So, like
Alfredo Brown:I won't.
Jagger May:I won't listen.
Alfredo Brown:Happy fourth of July.
Jagger May:Don't understand it. Yeah. So if you understand Korea, let me know. Like, maybe we're just stupid Americans. Yeah.
Jagger May:So Let us know
Alfredo Brown:in the comments if you're Korean. I doubt you're watching us. Just wanna throw it out there. Hey. My
Jagger May:friend teaches American in Korea, so maybe she watched it.
Alfredo Brown:Teaches American or English?
Jagger May:English. I joke. I say American because she's American.
Alfredo Brown:As long as it was a joke. This is a whopper.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You may call it a royale with cheese.
Alfredo Brown:I know that's quarter powder. I mean, can we can we can we say that last thing that I think I don't care if you liked the show. I don't care if you didn't like the show. I think everyone agrees on this. The VIPs are unfucking watchable.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Terrible. Is the
Alfredo Brown:worst thing I've seen movie or show ever, and I've watched Velocipaster. Okay?
Matthew Kopfhamer:This is worse. I like hunting in Africa. This is on another level. Like, what the fuck?
Jagger May:I know. They're like, yes. I'm fully erect, essentially. Like, it was just like
Matthew Kopfhamer:It was very crazy. And I I got drunk and bet on the wrong lady. Oh, no. Do you wanna add the baby to the mix?
Jagger May:Why not?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, fucking idiot.
Jagger May:Squid Game's huge. Like, surely Korea could have called somebody. Like, what is Zach Braff doing? Jason Biggs Surely Korea could be calling Zach Braff. Like, I know Jason Biggs isn't busy.
Jagger May:Like, we
Alfredo Brown:Imagine that the VIPs are just all, like, former US stars that aren't doing shit anymore. Yeah. Like, guy like, James Vanderbeak is in there. Like, it's just all early two thousands, late nineties stars. I'm in a
Matthew Kopfhamer:big Honestly, you throw you throw Neil Patrick Harris in that VIP room, suddenly, they're my favorite characters. Like Dude, no lie.
Jagger May:No IPH? IPH should though, you could already see it with this stupid ass, like, antler.
Matthew Kopfhamer:The fucking owl mask or whatever. Yeah.
Jagger May:100%.
Alfredo Brown:Percent.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Fucking rock that shit.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. So
Jagger May:we've love it's doing. Like, I just saw
Alfredo Brown:Oh my god. Thank you.
Jagger May:I can't believe that got $4.86 back in here. It was absolutely perfect. Reaping all benefits.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And that's another thing. Like, are we to believe that they had, like, three games before the VIPs even showed up? Like, what's the point?
Jagger May:I think
Alfredo Brown:they watch VIPs are watching elsewhere. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Okay. They just don't
Alfredo Brown:they're watching it like it's NFL red zone, basically. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Got Yeah. The other thing I I
Alfredo Brown:You think there's a Korean Scott Hansen that's just, like, running it all for them?
Jagger May:No bathroom breaks? Now we go to the Octobox. We got four 86 over here with a knife. He's gonna crash out. And, woah, oh, look over here on the red zone.
Jagger May:We have a baby being born.
Alfredo Brown:At the witching hour.
Jagger May:Stephen A. Smith is just like, no. No. There was no way four eighty six should be surviving in the squid games right now. You tell
Matthew Kopfhamer:him That's the American version.
Jagger May:He doesn't know that zero zero one is a play.
Matthew Kopfhamer:They're good.
Jagger May:That's You know they're good.
Alfredo Brown:What I want for the spin off. That's what I want for The US spin off. How does this affect Gi hun's legacy next on ESPN? Oh my god. Give me that.
Jagger May:Give me that. One LeBron
Matthew Kopfhamer:James would have won.
Jagger May:It's like
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Right. One plot line they seem to, like, start and then drop immediately was having the VIPs participate as, like, hunters in the game, like, cleaning up.
Jagger May:That was like a one.
Alfredo Brown:So yeah.
Jagger May:I don't even care about
Matthew Kopfhamer:Why did they yeah. Why include that if, like it just seems so again, they make these weird decisions where they add a scene where it's like, oh, that's interesting, and then they drop it completely. And there's no payoff to it. There's no consequence to it. And it's like, are these things that they're just teasing for the American version?
Alfredo Brown:There's one thing that they did where they gave us kinda, like, insights for soldier 11, Noel. Yep. I'm not gonna lie. Like, I I think that they did an admirable job of giving us a story of a character from the other side. I'm not gonna lie.
Alfredo Brown:I just didn't care. Like, it wasn't
Jagger May:it was stand I don't understand her motivation at all.
Matthew Kopfhamer:She saved the dad because she felt guilt over her own child.
Jagger May:I get that. I mean, I don't get her motivation of, like, I'm sad that I can't find my daughter, so now I'm a murdering psychopath. All these other people make sense. She does not make sense. They recruit these hungry ass kids, I guess, and they're like, hey, kid.
Jagger May:Do you want a gun? Like, that's any
Alfredo Brown:By the way, that's the US military as well.
Jagger May:Yeah. I thank you. Yeah. I was like, that's any organization
Alfredo Brown:Have you ever watched the commercials they put on TV?
Jagger May:My dad is a military recruiter, dog.
Alfredo Brown:He's talking all about it. Predatorial. It is so pred like, listen. Let me just no disrespect to anyone who has served in the military. Thank you for your service.
Alfredo Brown:Like, you do something that I'm too chicken shit to ever do. But the commercials that they put on there to, like, get kids, like, do you feel lost? Is everything crumbling around you? And it's like people just, like, can't make it in college. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:And it's like, have a higher purpose. And it's like, oh, you're really going after, like, the people who are the most down on their luck because they need self worth. That's what it felt like here with, I mean, with 11. Right? I mean, I I no.
Alfredo Brown:Sorry. I couldn't remember the name for a second there. But it's just someone who was so down on their self worth who honestly, like, I don't know. You don't have your husband. You don't have your kid.
Alfredo Brown:Well, she was also a More likely just take your life at that point too. Like, I don't know. Like, it's just it seemed like Message is different. Dead? It's dark.
Alfredo Brown:It's a dark fucking show. It's true. Was she was ready to do it by the end. So if her whole reason for being there was to I I I don't know. Like, was it to save this other girl?
Alfredo Brown:Like, was that really the the motivation the whole time was to save get enough money for the other girl or save this guy? Like, because she was there far before the guy got there.
Jagger May:Yeah. She's a longtime employee. I think that she it's, like, seasonal. So, like, I I just I I guess I I don't know, man. I just didn't understand her.
Jagger May:I'm also, like, as far as human beings go, I am a lot more level headed and didn't have to go through some shit like she did. I didn't I didn't go through North Korea. From North Korea. Yeah. That's what see.
Jagger May:I can't put myself in that mindset, so I don't know. I don't know.
Alfredo Brown:Have you guys seen the interview? It looks lovely. They have food everywhere, little fat kids. Just seems like
Jagger May:a good place. The grocery stores, just like Whole Foods.
Alfredo Brown:Tons of food.
Jagger May:Honey dick at us.
Alfredo Brown:That's such a good movie, man. Such a good movie. By the way, just last thing here. I know we've really just obliterated this this season to bits, but, like, the time they spent on characters I didn't care about, the the time they spent on, like, Min Soo, the guy that became a drug addict by the end who was just, like, sort
Jagger May:of a bitch throughout
Alfredo Brown:the whole season. Like, why did we do that? Nam gyu, the guy who's, like, the club promoter bully, him being alive and not Thanos to me was, like, just a really bad decision. Daiho, the fake marine that, like I didn't mind him.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I didn't
Alfredo Brown:mind his
Jagger May:story. No.
Alfredo Brown:It's not that I didn't like him. It's that I felt like they, like, wasted him.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Spent so
Alfredo Brown:much time. Spent so they spent so much time on him going from this, like, very happy character to being, like, almost kinda crazy by the end of it. Like, the change was so drastic, so fast.
Jagger May:I I disagree because they set it up the whole time because he's just like he like, they're like, I don't believe you in the military. And then he's just like, oh, yeah. And he did all the thing. And then he's like, my dad made me join to toughen up. The whole time, he's basically hinting that he's a giant bitch.
Jagger May:Like, he's saying, he's like, I'm a I'm a total pussy, but, like, not really because of vibes. You know? It's like
Alfredo Brown:Big vibes guy. Good hang.
Jagger May:He's a
Alfredo Brown:glue guy in the group. Every
Jagger May:group, but each one of those. Goes down. Yeah. But when shit goes down, he's not the one.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He falls
Jagger May:to go down.
Alfredo Brown:The one that's gonna have your back in a fight, but he'll definitely call the Uber for the group.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He'll Instigate the fight. Yeah.
Jagger May:He'll be the first to decide the expensive restaurant to to eat at, but then say, like, hey. We're all gonna
Alfredo Brown:So we're splitting this even. Right?
Jagger May:Yep. Exactly
Alfredo Brown:I'm go after ordering the most expensive bottle. Yeah.
Jagger May:Yeah. That's Daho, 100%. It's like, you I
Matthew Kopfhamer:wanna fuck you. Now I
Alfredo Brown:hate him more. Alright. So we we talked about all the things we didn't like. Really quick, some stuff that you guys did like. Specifically for me, it was some of the characters.
Alfredo Brown:Like, there were a few characters that I wish we had more time with. I loved Hyunjoo, which was our our character that was a woman who had transitioned. I thought that was such a a fun storyline. Mhmm. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:She's great.
Alfredo Brown:Such a fun storyline. She was great. The whole honestly, the the whole hide and seek thing was just heartbreaking the way the way it ended. I I was actually fine with with that character dying there. I wish they would have expanded on it more a little bit because it was such an entrancing character in the story.
Alfredo Brown:It was she was so different from everyone else for obvious reasons.
Jagger May:I and I and I think the mother son duo is another one where Mhmm. They told the story like we're talking about, that, like, they are good people, but they had to like, the son just, like, slow like, just snapped in there in, like, a very scary moment. And then the grandma had to make a decision. She's like, I love you, but you're not gonna kill a fucking baby type shit. Yeah.
Jagger May:You know? And then she can't even deal with the fact of killing with her son. Like, those are the correct stories that I felt like told the meaning of what the games are, where it's like these are just normal people who got put in a bad situation, and these horrible fucking billionaires are profiting off of throwing a sandwich in the middle of homeless. This was essentially bum fights
Alfredo Brown:Bum fights.
Jagger May:With with, like, a thousand more steps is what this is, man. And, like and that showed it. That's that was dark. I hated saying that. Oh, wow.
Alfredo Brown:It's no. But, like, it is. And, like, to an ex yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna hold back on that next thing.
Jagger May:Was just never So
Matthew Kopfhamer:so speaking of bum fights feelings, was it weird to you guys when they have the Cate Blanchett little cameo where she's still playing Duck G or doctor however you say that game I don't think that instead of, like, Dice?
Alfredo Brown:No. Yeah. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, wouldn't it have made more sense for her to be, like, dice or something like that, like, an American?
Alfredo Brown:They're on California. Could you could you imagine Cate Blanchett in the back alley playing dice in, like, Compton? Football would
Jagger May:one that we would use. Paper football.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Paper football
Alfredo Brown:would be Rock paper scissors. It's right there.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Something.
Jagger May:Three hack smack. Like, there's so many like, Hacky Sack is huge for hacky
Matthew Kopfhamer:sack even. Yeah.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like Or jaki, whatever the fuck they caught in Korea.
Alfredo Brown:Jaki.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Jaki. It it just feels weird that they're they're gonna and it also am I then
Alfredo Brown:That felt like a moment that felt like a moment where the show felt its audience was too stupid. Like, we need you to understand what's going on here, and the only way for us to make you understand is that we're gonna play the exact same game, which a white woman would never be playing in The US. Just throwing that up.
Jagger May:Can we take five minutes to talk about what games are gonna be an American one? Because I've already thought about this.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Oh, okay. Alright. Can we finish with what we we finish with what we like, and let's go to The US spin off then.
Jagger May:Okay. Okay.
Alfredo Brown:K. Koff, what else do you like?
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's it's
Alfredo Brown:Okay. Never mind. Back to you in the studio.
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. No. No. No. I did I like some of the like you said, I like some of the characters.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I like some of the character interactions. I actually did like that they changed up some of the games. I I thought some the games are kinda Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Because if not, you get you just get Gion that knows everything.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mhmm. I was genuinely kinda shocked at the the jump rope game when, like, one dude got across and they immediately turned and started pushing up. Was like, oh, shit. I didn't think of that. So that was a generally shocking moment.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:I I had a moment when they're at the at the end before the whole place blows up where they're going back through all of the, like, the play fields from the games. And I'm just like, y'all didn't clean up one floor? Like, you put filthy motherfuckers. There was blood everywhere. That was just, like, one of those things randomly stands out.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So they use the sets once, and then they never use it again? Right?
Jagger May:That's still there.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. They're they're
Jagger May:the ones that say, you know, we need the plastic straw. I'm just like Okay.
Alfredo Brown:I I will say this. The dude that I think almost became the I mean, maybe is the MVP of this show was mister Choi Woosuck. Mhmm. The guy who breaks into the ship captain's house and, unfortunately, had to kill a dog, which would normally make you enemy number one in, like, anything. Right?
Alfredo Brown:That was
Jagger May:a little fuck dog, though. That would've been one of the mean dogs from Oliver and company. You know? Like, just, touch.
Alfredo Brown:Like like, if this was an animated movie, you're kinda rooting for that dog to lose. It's okay. Like, could be the enemy in Balto. Yeah. I got it.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. I'm with you. You'd be the enemy in Balto.
Jagger May:Thank you. For someone remembers that movie. That was Ghouls.
Matthew Kopfhamer:How can you forget Balto? He was a hero.
Alfredo Brown:He was great, though. Not Balto. Mister Choi. Because, like, there was actual I mean, Balto was fine. Whatever.
Alfredo Brown:Mister Choi has, like, actual character growth throughout this whole thing. He goes from kinda being a piece of shit, experiencing something traumatic, being part of this, like, this, like, group that's out there searching for the island. And, honestly, he's he's us. He gets tired of doing the same thing over and over and over. He's like, you know what?
Alfredo Brown:I don't trust this guy and goes out to look for it. And, honestly, detective Wong, like, I believe it was was Jinho or Junho, which was Inho's brother. Like, a terrible detective, dude. Not have any sort of suspicion whatsoever.
Jagger May:Detective. Rideau nine one one type shit. Lieutenant Dangle out there. He's like like new boo goofing.
Alfredo Brown:New boo goofing.
Jagger May:Oh god. I think that was my favorite part too, and I like that you said it. He was everyman because I can imagine, like, I'm just a lone shark. I'm here for a good time. And then you're like, hey.
Jagger May:This guy's kinda fucked. You know? And then everyone's like, let's get on the boat. He's like, I don't think I'm gonna get on this boat, dog. Like, I don't like, like, for real, like, he was the most honest, normal person that's just like, vibes are off.
Jagger May:I'm good. You know? I'm breaking your house, though. And
Alfredo Brown:he pulls that move in the police station. Like, even while he's cuffed to grab his phone, he had the wherewithal to be like, hey, Siri, call so and so. Like, like, that was that was the move. Like, he was one of the only characters throughout this whole thing. I was like, he's playing the game with the most sense.
Alfredo Brown:Like, I Do you
Jagger May:Common sense.
Alfredo Brown:Squid game.
Jagger May:Common sense. He he's not a detective.
Alfredo Brown:He's just
Matthew Kopfhamer:Do you think he actually got married, or was he in prison and he couldn't get married? Because that was the whole thing. I don't even know
Jagger May:what plot you're talking about.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. So I mean
Jagger May:The whole
Matthew Kopfhamer:thing Technically, He could get married. Was a moment
Alfredo Brown:Might not be
Matthew Kopfhamer:by moment and there was a moment when they were chasing the the recruiter dude, and they're he's talking with his boss. His boss is like, oh, yeah. You look forward to getting married. I'm gonna be officiating your wedding. There was, a one line.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then his boss dies. Like, he literally watches his boss die in front of
Alfredo Brown:him. No. No. No. No.
Alfredo Brown:He said he said you did officiate my wedding.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like, he already got he already did it.
Alfredo Brown:Now that he was going to. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, okay.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah. Alright.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I flipped that then.
Alfredo Brown:Cool. You silly boy. Okay. So let's do this. We
Matthew Kopfhamer:American spinoff.
Alfredo Brown:By the way, can I just can I just do, like, last little thing here, which I thought was great, this ties into the American spinoff here, is the hotel that Choi ends up owning at the end is called the Pink Motel, which is like, there's a book on it? It's like, also just like a famous spot as well. California. I think it tied perfectly into where we end up later. You're in what was Los Angeles.
Alfredo Brown:Right?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Los Angeles.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Where you're there in in The US. I actually do think that was a nice little bridge to get us there, to get us to The US, and then Gi hun's daughter being the other bridge that gets us there. It was nice they kinda closed that circle. I do not think that In ho turned good by any means.
Alfredo Brown:Like, I actually think it was kind
Jagger May:of He learned nothing. Like, learned
Alfredo Brown:nothing. Fucked up that he's like, by the way, here's the jumpsuit with blood on it. Like, that was Thank you.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Is that supposed do? Thank you. Your dad wanted you
Alfredo Brown:have is how you do this is how you do a whole spin off series of her, like, becoming basically, like, a teenage detective that's trying to figure this shit out. Like, this is how they they would have to set this almost, like, six years in the future so that she's old enough to join the next Squid Game and try to take that one down. That's Did you like that's almost my worry. They're keep con continuing that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Did you like the branded box that it came in too with their symbol? Like
Jagger May:I said that too. Because it's like, what are we doing? Why do you have a marketing team? Are are people not supposed to know you exist?
Alfredo Brown:It looks like a crumpled cookie box, Doug. Like, what are we doing?
Jagger May:Yes. Thank you. Because I'm addicted to crumple. I had a trigger moment. I'm just like
Matthew Kopfhamer:So do they have an O and D department, like like severance, or they just, like, do all their own in house, like, like, making their own shit? Like, what are what are Is there
Jagger May:is there a brag from marketing that
Alfredo Brown:should Also, you'll be hearing from PlayStation pretty soon. Yeah. Not gonna lie.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's okay. They only have three of the four.
Jagger May:I I know your beef.
Matthew Kopfhamer:They only have three of the four symbols. It's fine. I just I just I wanna know if that's an in house marketing job or if they have to, like, third party it and, like, see the boxes. There's a whole
Alfredo Brown:another time.
Jagger May:Help themselves.
Alfredo Brown:We There's a whole another island that is just separate from the games, and it's basically just the office Korea. And it's all, like, the back the the the background work stuff that we don't even know. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:They're making the set pieces. They're making the coffins. They're making the guns. Like, all of it.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. So we're into The US now. There's a rumor supposed to be a spin off. Filming starts in December of this year. David Fincher is set to direct for Netflix.
Alfredo Brown:For those of you who are not familiar with him, he was the director for Love, Death and Robots, a series, the the movie seven, Gone Girl, Social Network, Zodiac, so many things that I think honestly just fit perfect with the whole the whole vibe of squid game here. When they said that, normally, would have been like, dude, we don't need any more. But I'm kind of excited for this because I do feel like a US version of this can improve on a lot of things. I think that with the popularity of the show, we can actually get some, like, really good quality actors in this. We already have a good quality director that's tied to it.
Alfredo Brown:What do you guys want to see, Jagger? What do you wanna see from this show if they do a US spin off or sequel series?
Jagger May:I mean, one, you've already heard me talk about this. I think David Fincher is one of, like, the top five directors, you know, around right now. I just wanna see David Fincher cook. That's it. And I know that sounds like a cop out.
Jagger May:That's all I want, and it'd be very fun to see interesting games. Like, the games that I wanna see is, like, the games I thought got too violent as a kid, Red Rover. Like, Red Rovers oh, Red Rover.
Alfredo Brown:That's great.
Jagger May:That'd be dope. Wallball's another one. I don't know about you guys. I saw more kids get hurt from musical chairs than, like, any shit. Musical chairs is perfect.
Jagger May:Musical chairs is another one. And then Oh. Like I said, I was big on hacky sack. So three Hack Smack where you, like, hit three, and then you slap the shit out of it and tag someone is another one. I had one more, and I can't think of, like, a game that I wanted.
Jagger May:Oh, duck duck goose. That's another one.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. These are all great. Are all amazing. These are
Jagger May:all amazing.
Alfredo Brown:I would be so
Jagger May:in on this.
Matthew Kopfhamer:What's the one with the big, like, rainbow tarp that you, like, flip up, then everybody runs to the middle and then runs back out before it falls? Do you guys remember that?
Alfredo Brown:I think that's just that's that's called a time waster for PE for little kids. I don't think that show a game.
Jagger May:I was like, I I think
Alfredo Brown:I don't think there are any winners in that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It was like a thing because he had to come
Jagger May:in shit like that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. I was not a rich kid. No.
Jagger May:I had
Matthew Kopfhamer:but no
Jagger May:means. Said rich schools, like, with money.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I didn't go to those either. Oh, what's the one Foursquare. Foursquare is another one. What we do
Jagger May:Oh, yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Spent hours playing Foursquare recently.
Jagger May:Oh, dude. Tetherball. When you think about, like, tetherball.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Tetherball with a razor wire thing. Yeah.
Jagger May:Well, you want them to win, and it's just like you better win.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like You don't? God.
Jagger May:Tetherball, like
Alfredo Brown:These are good. These are good. Netflix fake notes.
Jagger May:Yeah. The the alphas played like I was not good at tetherball, dude. I was good at
Alfredo Brown:Oh, capture the flag.
Jagger May:Yeah. Dodgeball? Mhmm. That's another is that, like, really American?
Alfredo Brown:Super American. Dodgeball. Not if you watch the movie Dodgeball.
Matthew Kopfhamer:About it. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Because there's national?
Jagger May:You you almost can't do like, we fucked that. Like, Vince Vaughn ruined that.
Alfredo Brown:You can't go backwards. I mean, at this point, like, pickleball is gonna be one of the games in The US. It's gonna ruin it.
Jagger May:I've seen someone try to, like, rip it at pickleball, and, like, I was worried I was gonna get hit. Can't look cool. No, dude. I'm just like, these people, these, like, old people get straight up in the full gear. They look ready for Monday night football.
Jagger May:Shit.
Alfredo Brown:They're they're like the guy that shows up to the court in the Michael Jordan jersey with a sleeve, like a full arm sleeve, and doesn't know why he wears it. Like, that's that's the old people showing up for pick up
Jagger May:on sleeve is on the opposite shooting arm. Like, you're It's like, aren't you left handed?
Alfredo Brown:My right arm gets extra sweaty. What? Alright. I'll say this. I think for the new show, what I'd wanna see is use some of the templates that we've gotten from good shows here in The US.
Alfredo Brown:Like, I think severance is a really good template for Squid Game, not like a one for one template. But I think that what you can do is let's condense your character list. Make us care about five or six characters, five or six characters that we really want to see make it through this or five or six characters that are just involved in the story that we really like. What happened with this one, seasons two through three, this was like fifteen, sixteen plus characters, And that just became very difficult to, one, keep track of everything. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Like, there was no development. We didn't get backstory. It was just a lot of them just being there and wasting time. Like you said, Coffey, which just it made the c the series longer. I trust Dave Adventure not to mess that up.
Alfredo Brown:Like, I think he can actually do a good job with this and and even using people as proper plot devices like we've seen in seven and a bunch of the other movies that he's he's done there as well and make you care about a character in a short amount of time. That I think they can do well. Jag, I love the games that you that you suggested because I think those could make it really, really fun. We think Kate Blanchett stays? You think she's gonna stick on as the recruiter?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Maybe. She's Oh, I just
Jagger May:like you. I like money, like yours. You know? She she and everything right now.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. She's in Sam Jackson years where she's not gonna say no to anything.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. What I'm really what I'm really hopeful for is they expand on some of the themes of, like, corruption, which I don't think they really did in the Korean version. Cause, like, every cop that they interacted with that wasn't a detective was like, that sounds made up, and I'm not gonna believe you. What I would like to see in the American version yeah. But what I'd like to see in the American version is maybe see themes of, like, the cops are in on it, especially if they don't do, like, an island version, but they're, like, say, in the middle of fuck ass Montana.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And it's like, maybe there is a player that escapes and gets to the nearest town. They get to the police station. They start spilling their guts. The cops like, okay. We'll help you out.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Come follow me. And then they shoot him in the head. Like, I wanna see more of that because that to me feels more believable in an American version where it's like, oh, the solution to all of our problems with the enforcement is just pay them off. Make it so the cops have an incentive to keep these games going too. And I wanna see that explored.
Jagger May:And and I know we're going long, so I'll I'll I'll make this one quick. I think and it's this another thing, I wanna see cultural differences in how we would act. I think that you, Americans, you can't just keep them like that. You you couldn't keep us at, like, prison style bunks because I think that we had plot and rebel. Like, we are too ready to to
Alfredo Brown:It it's gotta almost feel like it's a vacation resort. Yes. That's how you that's how you trick the Americans into doing that is that you're in this lovely resort where you're going to play games.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mhmm. If they couch it like this is a reality TV show, you'll have so many people clamoring
Alfredo Brown:to honest. Is the front man.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Honestly, they wouldn't have to recruit. They wouldn't have to recruit. They would just have to
Jagger May:That's it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Do that, and all of a sudden, you have 400 people applying to be on your stoop on your on your game show.
Alfredo Brown:People do worse for less.
Jagger May:Yeah. And this is bias. I don't think it should be set in California. Like, you put that shit in Arkansas. You know who's in Arkansas?
Jagger May:Nobody. Like like, the the the scary thing about Arkansas is you get disappeared. There is one overweight cop who barely passed high school, and he has zero time to do anything. He's just like, well, I just saw a colored boy I saw a colored boy smoking a cigarette down there in front of the Dollar General. I don't have no time for your fake story.
Jagger May:You know?
Matthew Kopfhamer:But that's what I'm saying.
Jagger May:If they if they said it in middle And it's the murder my dinger in the word squirt grooms. No.
Alfredo Brown:Squirt grooms.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But that's what I'm saying. If they if they if they have it in the middle of nowhere, and so that way the nearest town is this podunk little town, you're not telling me that a cop from a podunk town who's lived there his entire
Jagger May:life No resources.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, got offered $10,000,000 and all I gotta do is say nothing? Okay.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah.
Jagger May:Yep. I could go to Arkansas right now and live like a king, and I make
Alfredo Brown:no money. This is the only thing.
Matthew Kopfhamer:The real question is, would you want to?
Jagger May:That's the that's that's where they get you.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, man. Oh, okay. This is how it goes. It's a cruise ship that leaves out of either Miami or I just watched the poop cruise documentary on Netflix.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You I didn't say that. Honest. They couldn't prosecute. They couldn't prosecute.
Alfredo Brown:You take him to the alleged Gulf Of America, and you you have some little island or something that I like this.
Jagger May:Yeah. I like that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mean, sick like Kobiash.
Jagger May:Hit me up, Davey. Hit us up. We got you. We got the script. Let's sit.
Jagger May:It's not
Alfredo Brown:even an aisle oh, not even an island. Just keep him on the cruise ship. Keep them on the boat. Bang. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Bang.
Jagger May:You could
Alfredo Brown:lock him in.
Jagger May:Could lock him into Disney World in Florida and, like, like, look. You have a slide.
Alfredo Brown:You know?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Another reason why Mickey Mouse is white.
Alfredo Brown:That's a that's a callback for anyone. You gotta watch
Jagger May:that episode to get that joke.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. That's a callback. Go to our racial draft episode. That's a yeah. A lot to unpack there.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. Guys, we do this with every show or movie that we watch. We give it a score one to 10 based on how bad or good we thought the series was. I will kick us off here. I gave us a six, which is the same score that I gave to twenty eight years later.
Alfredo Brown:I just think there was a lot of great themes to this. I think there was a lot of good, lot of good understanding of humanity and trying to see the dark side of everything and a lot of characters I really liked, but then a lot of characters I just simply did not care about, things that took me out of the story and an ending that kind of left me disappointed and slightly confused. So for me, it's a six out of 10. Jack, what about you?
Jagger May:I'm still gonna give it a seven, man. I think it was well made for the most part. I just think our biggest things is that we didn't get answers, and it's it it's Netflix, man. I and and I feel bad punishing original content that clearly someone had a vision that was gonna it was just gonna end, And Netflix is just like, well, hang on, buddy. Goddamn gold mine with this big cigar, and, like and it got kinda ruined.
Alfredo Brown:So it
Jagger May:was? Yeah. Exactly. So for what it was, I liked it. So Alright.
Jagger May:So that's a six from me, a seven from Jag Koff. Where you at? Rare highest score for me is.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah. Koff's Koff's going low. Koff's reaching for the depths here.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm gonna go
Jagger May:Just do it.
Alfredo Brown:Just do it. Don't be a bitch.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm gonna go with a five. I'm gonna go with a five.
Alfredo Brown:There he is.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It was a waste of my time, unfortunately. Like, it was well produced, but I think the execution was lacking as far as story went, as far as some of the the plot devices they decided to go with. And that fucking baby, that CGI baby was trash. Like, it was awful. It was terribly rendered.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It was baby was
Jagger May:Honestly That was a CGI baby.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That was
Jagger May:a CGI baby. I was like, what's wrong with this baby? I was like, I kinda wanna It's ugly, because it looked unnatural.
Alfredo Brown:I was just like because
Matthew Kopfhamer:it was. Honestly, they should've gone with the American sniper fake baby, like, just the doll. It it would've been ugh. Yeah. It was bad.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So, yeah, I'll give it a five. I felt like season two had some good ideas going for it, and then they cut it off halfway through, and then they came and followed it up with this, which why?
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Alright. So that is a five from cough, a seven from jag, a six from me. So average out would be
Matthew Kopfhamer:about six. Overall. Yep.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Exactly. Could've been could've been worse. Could've been worse, but, that's gonna do it for us on Squid Game season three. This was fun.
Alfredo Brown:It was a good conversation. I at the end of the day, like, we still had fun watching this. It it got some intrigue. We are going to be back again on Wednesday giving you our discussion and review on episodes four through six of Ironheart, Marvel's Ironheart on Disney Plus, if you're watching that. And then, of course, next week, Jurassic World Rebirth is coming out.
Alfredo Brown:We're gonna be ranking all the Jurassic Park movies. We're gonna be discussing the Superman movie as that comes out. We're gonna have an early screening as well, for some of us. So we're gonna give you our early reaction on that. JAG's gonna be giving you everything you need to know before watching Superman.
Alfredo Brown:So a lot of great things coming out from us over the next week or so. As always, I wanna thank you guys for watching or listening all the through for myself, for Koff, for JAG. We'll see you next time. Adios. Gi hun's death there was basically Luke Skywalker killing himself.
Alfredo Brown:You were just like
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Why? Didn't last shit
Jagger May:out. Before we start, Korean names are so fucking hard, man.
Alfredo Brown:Yes.
Jagger May:Like, I I I watch so much anime. Like, Japanese, buddy, I understand I don't understand it, but, like, I if you talk to
Matthew Kopfhamer:the naming. And Yeah.
Jagger May:I can get it, and I understand the name back. But, like, sometimes when they said their name, I'm like, run that back for me, buddy. It's like, I read 10 syllables, but only heard one.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. I honestly didn't really capture all the names until I started writing the show sheet for this. And I was like, oh, right. Player zero zero seven. Got
Jagger May:it. Like, Thanos, thank you. Maybe I like Thanos because I could just fucking understand. Seems easy to say.
Alfredo Brown:Give me give me a guy named John. How about that?
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:That's like the number one reason my dad wouldn't watch this. Oh, yeah. What happened to good classic names? You pick
Jagger May:it from the bible. Alright. Malachi. That's what my parents did. Nebuchadnezzar.
Alfredo Brown:Oh god. Lazarus.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Let's go deep. Jebediah. Good old Jebediah.
Alfredo Brown:Nebuchadnezzar's great. Alright. Here we go.
