On today's episode of UnBinged, we're gonna be talking about Wednesday season two part one. We're gonna be giving you our theories of what's really going on in this show. We're gonna explain that cliffhanger ending of part one here in season two. And, also, we're just gonna give you our review and some general discussion on the characters and what's happening here in this show. All that and more in an all new episode of Unvenged starting now.
Jagger May:This is your one and only warning that this is a spoiler for Wednesday. We're happy to spoil it for you. It excites us.
Alfredo Brown:Guys, let's talk about that ending, because I I'm not gonna lie. As we were watching the show, I think all of us sorta started with, like, okay. First episode, not not awesome. And then it progressively got better, leads us to that big cliffhanger ending here in episode four where we get the reveal that Lois is not a person but is the long term outcast integration study. This, I think, opens up a lot of doors, a lot of different ways that we can go here.
Alfredo Brown:Sam, I wanna start with you. How did you feel about this ending here? Because we end up in this secret basement, this lab where they're experimenting on outcasts for years. All those, like, quote, dead people from the obituaries, they're alive. They're being tortured.
Alfredo Brown:They're being experimented on. Do you like this direction for this, and and where do you see it going?
Samantha Holt:Well, we also got, like, a little clip trailer for part two. So you kind of have this immediate ending of all of the shit hitting the fan where all of these outcasts are now out. And these are tormented ones, so not necessarily people that you want running around, running the streets. And we've also got Tyler's character, Hyde, being escaped as well. So you've got all of the chaos, and Wednesday has just been attacked.
Samantha Holt:And so she's, of course, passed out.
Alfredo Brown:I just realized. What? This is Wednesday dominion. All the dinosaurs have been let out.
Jagger May:Are they gonna
Matthew Kopfhamer:die because they're not living near the Just
Jagger May:like me. They had to. Jesus Christ.
Samantha Holt:So, I mean, I think that this is an interesting way to split things up. When you have series that do parts one and part two, you kind of wonder why they're really leaving you in the middle of, like, how big is the cliffhanger gonna be? And it really felt like we got almost an entire season in this part one in terms of how much action they packed into the last two episodes, especially this last one, to set it up for season two. And it feels like things are supposed to get even crazier in terms of the level of not only Outkast needing to get back. So it's almost like Arkham Asylum has been let loose as well, and you have to go and get everyone back in.
Samantha Holt:And so you've got all these little tales and storylines and the zombie that all of a sudden is now really important going into the trailer sneak peek for part two. So it just feels like a lot of chaos, but it's Tim Burton chaos, and I'm still on board because it's all fun.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Well, speaking of the zombie, like, you kinda knew it was almost like Chekhov zombie because the story that the RA told Ajax told was like, oh, when he replaces hard, he became cold and ambitious and a monster, basically. So it's like, okay. The first time he fed and, like, you started to regenerate, it's like, I see where this story's going. So now we're gonna have it's almost like I feel like Tyler was a misdirect where it's like, oh, no. He's a big problem because he just get I feel like that's gonna get resolved really quickly in the second part.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then it's gonna or the new master is the zombie somehow. Maybe they're going that direction, and Tyler be a tool for new master.
Samantha Holt:I like that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Because they do mention he does mention when he kills, what's her face, Christina Ricci. Like, he's like, I have a new master now and kills her. So there's gotta be some end resolution with that character development. I wonder if it is the zombie or if because it didn't seem to be the the daughter who the avian or whatever, like the the new stalker.
Jagger May:Yeah. I feel
Matthew Kopfhamer:like those are two distinct and separate problems now, the way that they're going with this. Do do
Alfredo Brown:do guys have a sylvio
Jagger May:call going on right
Alfredo Brown:now? Yeah.
Jagger May:I think it's hilarious. He's like, I got a new master now. Like, only a white character could play that because, like
Matthew Kopfhamer:So excited.
Jagger May:Yeah. As soon as he started saying that shit, like, I could just hear my ancestors. Like, he's like, no. Wait. I could do that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:They absolutely could not black cast the black guy behind. Absolutely not.
Samantha Holt:Didn't think until
Jagger May:you said it cop siren shit.
Samantha Holt:Doctor Stonehurst could totally be the new master in terms of, like, being near and in the premises for Tyler too because he's someone that you he hasn't spoken. So, you know, something else
Matthew Kopfhamer:is kind of going on with it. Brain eaten. He got he literally got his brain eaten by the zombie. He did. Like, we saw that
Samantha Holt:But now the zombies got his brain. So Oh. Still saying that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So the zombie's gonna impersonate the doctor?
Samantha Holt:Well, I think he takes on the people that he eats.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. I mean, we're we're in this world where people have powers. Right? Like, if we're already we're already into the fantastical here. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:The zombie coming back to life. He's regenerating. He's powering up. He's one of the smartest. He has a a a a fucking
Matthew Kopfhamer:clockwork of a heart.
Alfredo Brown:That we've already talked about. Like, there there's there's enough here to say that whoever he is eating, he could be absorbing and taking on their kinda like a like like parasite
Jagger May:or or, like, rogue. It's a Jeepers creepers type scenario. Ah. Okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:There you go.
Jagger May:Okay. Let him cook the whole thing. Let's
Alfredo Brown:go, Jegg.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like But so far That's the whole plan.
Matthew Kopfhamer:We've we've only seen him eat normal people. We haven't seen him eat anyone with powers yet.
Alfredo Brown:RIP is scoutmaster. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Scoutmaster, the the Danny Danny Newton, the Augustus Stonehurst, and the the the driver's ed dude. Those are the four that
Jagger May:I Scoutmaster.
Alfredo Brown:He got, like, one person.
Jagger May:Like, you know, like, it's like Yeah. That mechanical heart got a little rustier. All the cholesterol.
Samantha Holt:So
Alfredo Brown:okay. So I well, you guys bring up, cough. You brought up our our guy Tyler here who's who's the hide. Or we're wondering who the master could be like, but is is there maybe even some sort of a redemption arc here? Like, what if he's implying that he's his own master?
Alfredo Brown:Like, is that is that on the table, or do we really think
Matthew Kopfhamer:God, that'd be dumb.
Alfredo Brown:Dumber things happen in TV. Yeah. We just gotta be open to whatever the theory is.
Matthew Kopfhamer:The real powers, the friends we made along the way. I'm my own master now. I would hate that so much.
Samantha Holt:I feel like he's too sinister to have a Redeem. Redemption arc. I mean, with the way that season one ended, he was embracing his psychoticness and his episodes, and he was talking about how much he enjoyed the feelings that he could experience from the people he was killing. So it's like, no. I I don't think that we just go one eighty, and then all of a sudden he has a redemption arc.
Samantha Holt:I feel like he could have a dumb death, and I'd be happy with that.
Alfredo Brown:But, like
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yes. Hilarious. Little
Alfredo Brown:Hill, by the way, has a fantastic gym membership over there because Homie bulked up from season one to season two. Like, he's been on that prison grind.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Well, he's been in that, like, chain thing. He's probably been doing, like, dump like, flies on the on
Jagger May:the wall. Doing the the fly.
Alfredo Brown:Just Yeah. Just doing the 50¢ hanging upside down doing the abs and pull ups.
Jagger May:Yeah. It's like, how did they learn you that homie got that Disney diet, like, in the hot season? This
Alfredo Brown:was this was the same character that was in Daredevil born again. Yeah. As
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right. Forgot the name of
Alfredo Brown:the painting guy. Yeah. Muse. There he goes. Yeah.
Jagger May:Yeah. Got that mouse money. Ho ho.
Alfredo Brown:Man. Ho ho. They're everywhere now, man. They're everywhere. Disney's got WWE.
Alfredo Brown:They've got the NFL. They're taking over everything. Hulu, they got it all. Yeah.
Jagger May:Hope they get us one day. I want some mouse money. Okay.
Alfredo Brown:So we're we're at we're at Willow Hill. We have the whole thing where the discovery of Lois here and what it is and the prisoners that are there. We do come across this one prisoner who
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's Ophelia.
Alfredo Brown:One Wednesday. For sure. Okay. Usually, we wait for people to finish speaking, but whatever. Nope.
Alfredo Brown:It's cool. Nope. Or my first podcast.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So we We haven't recorded in, like, two weeks. I'm rusty.
Alfredo Brown:So maybe sit back and let daddy drive the car for a sec. Fuck. I don't wanna
Samantha Holt:call you daddy.
Alfredo Brown:You don't have to.
Jagger May:Cough can.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I won't.
Alfredo Brown:Not even though look on fire. I'm not gonna call him dad. It's okay. Wednesday opens up the thing to look inside. She sees the prisoner there, and the prisoner just straight up says, like, are you here to kill me?
Alfredo Brown:She's like, no. And then she's like, okay. Then leave me alone, which feels like the most Adams or Frump thing possible. Like, it does very much feel like this is aunt Ophelia Frump, who has been missing forever and ever. We find out that she's been at Willow Hill.
Alfredo Brown:She was sent there by grandmama, which is just fun to say, and that they really don't know whatever happened to her. Like, they claim that she went missing, but, really, I mean, it does seem like that's her. She's the only prisoner that doesn't go out and attack Judy. Judy what's what's my name? Stonehurst?
Jagger May:Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:And, there just there appears to be some sort of connection here. Guys, let us know in the comments who you think this is. I'm I'm assuming here it's Ophelia. I do have another theory of who else it could be. Koff, go ahead.
Alfredo Brown:You wanted you wanted to interrupt earlier and say it's Ophelia. What makes you say that it's Ophelia? Is it just the vibes?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Just the vibes. Just the way she, like, pulled back and was the only, like you said, the only hesitant one not to attack. And then what there was a line where she she asked what was it? She asked Wednesday.
Matthew Kopfhamer:She's like, are you an angel? And and she's like, I'm an avenging angel. So it feels like I don't know. It just feels like there's some sort of, like, familial connection there. And especially with the thread of, like, oh, aunt Ophelia's been missing for twenty years.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So Wednesday's never met her. I don't think the Adams are the type of family to pull out a family photo book, be like, look at your old crazy aunt Ophelia. You know? So I I can guarantee you that they're gonna pull her out, and then Morticia and grandma are gonna be like,
Jagger May:oh my god. Our girl.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I don't know.
Samantha Holt:That's a great
Jagger May:impression.
Alfredo Brown:Spot on, Catherine Zeta Jones. Sounds great. Yeah. Nailed it. You nailed
Matthew Kopfhamer:it. Beat impressions, bro. Nailed.
Jagger May:Yeah. It's like You get you get Nixon or, like
Alfredo Brown:Like, your Viola Davis is Nixon, and that one was I don't know what it is.
Jagger May:I I
Alfredo Brown:think that that the aunt Ophelia thing makes the most sense too because of why we find out that she was sent to Willow Hill. It's that she was having this, she was found with black tears streaming down her face in in the quad of of Nevermoor, and it's, like, it yeah. Like, it's obviously the only thing that really connects to it. The other theory that I've seen, and I wanna get your guys' take on and let us know in the comments, is that it could even be Tyler's mom that's been missing forever and ever, and that could potentially be his master that he's somehow psychically connected to. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:And we got we got the whole thing. What's ew about being psychically connected to your mom?
Matthew Kopfhamer:I don't know. Just your mom's That's weird.
Jagger May:That's weird as hell. Oh, mean loud. Oh,
Alfredo Brown:okay. I mean
Matthew Kopfhamer:I don't like that.
Samantha Holt:You made it weird.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Because because we already
Alfredo Brown:had I mean, you made it weird. I wouldn't have said ew. I would have been like, oh, that sucks.
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. It's ew. Because we already had, like, what's the the old master being like, I'm your mommy, like, whole weird thing.
Alfredo Brown:That's what that's what I was getting to.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. I just I don't like that. I don't like it at all. It's gross.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Okay. So we're I think we're all I think we're all firmly in the camp that this is aunt Ophelia.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. I think so.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Okay. So so then my my question here is, Sam, I'll go to you, is what do we think she knows? Like, what do we think that she's going to bring to this story that's going to, like, change the direction of it or at least give Wednesday that push in the right direction to to continue the plot?
Samantha Holt:Well, in terms of where Wednesday is at with her psychic abilities, she feels like she's mastered them, but then she keeps running into these blocks. And she keeps thinking that the book is gonna have all the answers. But as her mom said, if she's a raven in terms of how she predicts and how she has these visions and her aunt is like her, and if this is the aunt that we're seeing and the first thing she says is like, you here to kill me? And no. Okay.
Samantha Holt:Then leave me alone. She must have discovered something really dark about her ability that makes her not want to have it and wants to move on from it. So I think if anything, rather than Wednesday who feels like her gift gives her answers, it might give her more questions and make her question herself more and more of her decisions. And she's the thing about Wednesday is she's incredibly confident in her decision making. She doesn't have regrets until there's massive consequences later.
Samantha Holt:She just feels like she's completely correct all the time. And it feels like this could be something that unhinges that if this is the aunt and what she's discovered while being away from everyone more about her own abilities is just how dark and depraved or how terrible they are, how terrible they are for herself. It could really mess with Wednesday's whole plan of just becoming an amazing detective of serial killers, which it seems like that's what she's trying to be.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. I like that.
Jagger May:She she definitely got she got the whole Columbo jacking on and shit. You know? It was
Samantha Holt:I've never heard the word investigation more than so far in these four episodes. Like, she's very like, I have I'm on assignment, and I need to get all this stuff done. And if she's just trying to get answers for her ability to do better at all those things and what she finds out is that not only is her ability flawed, but massively flawed to her detriment, then that's gonna be really tough for her to hear.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. I I I like what you said there, Sam. You go, Jack.
Jagger May:Yeah. And I like that I like that you said, like, arrogant or excuse me, that confident. Because I think she's, like, arrogant.
Matthew Kopfhamer:She's overconfident.
Jagger May:Like, oh, yeah. Like, sometimes she's just like yeah. I was like, sometimes she's running that mouth, and I'm like, oh, baby girl, you need a it's like but, at the at this point, like, I feel like it has to be Ophelia to tie something together. She has to be around because we have all these threads. My whole connection now is just like this Pugsley storyline and what what goes with, like, the telltale heart guy or whatever Slurp.
Jagger May:The Slurp. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Like Fucking worse name.
Jagger May:It's and Pugsley's an idiot. Like, I used to think that, like like, Wednesday was, like, hard on him. You know? But then I'm just like, man, you
Matthew Kopfhamer:fucking stupid.
Jagger May:Like, literally his literally homie over his roommate just like, oh, so the story's real? Ain't this an awful person you're feeding? And they have the whole, like, mystery storyline, and he's, like, Got his first boner about his his first Frankenstein
Matthew Kopfhamer:over here. Got a friend. Finally Yeah,
Jagger May:exactly. It's borderline sad. Like Wednesday needs like onefour, person in her squad just to to watch Pugsley at this point, you know? By the way, the invisible girl thing, I do. I clocked that shit early.
Jagger May:Like like, right away. I'm like, it's all creeper girl over there. That's like,
Matthew Kopfhamer:big eyes, bro.
Samantha Holt:Big eyes. Those
Jagger May:are her real eyes.
Alfredo Brown:I thought it was CGI eyes. Yeah. So look
Jagger May:at walking around like temporary character. Sailor Moon would
Samantha Holt:pop up in the and Google that? Like, how long did you like, you saw her on screen, Alfredo, and you were like, these eyes aren't real, and you went and googled.
Jagger May:I'm BV's a couple. At all times, Sam. All times.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. I have googled Wednesday season two part one so many times while watching this just to figure things. Like, characters, the cast, trying like, I was trying to figure out who's the music teacher here because, like, she seems relevant, and then I looked up the
Jagger May:Lily Piper.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Who where is she from? I know I've seen her before. Doctor Who. Times.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You probably
Alfredo Brown:Oh, yeah. That's why it means nothing
Jagger May:to us. And you've only seen her in Doctor Who promo. Okay. Because I thought the same thing too. Like, I'm like human IMDB, and I'm like, I've seen that face before.
Jagger May:And I know it's like a weird thing to say. She has, like, a very, like, huge fucking mouth for, like, a bruise in the teeth. Yeah. And I like, I know I've seen those before. And I'm like, oh, that show everyone tells me to watch those before is nuts.
Jagger May:Well, like, she she opens her mouth
Matthew Kopfhamer:to sing, and it's like, damn. That's wide. Like, she She got
Jagger May:choppers, dog. Like, I mean, it's not like
Alfredo Brown:Guys, we're we're treading really weird waters right now, like, overexamining the faces of all the female characters.
Samantha Holt:It's almost like a Tim Burton show.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Oh
Matthew Kopfhamer:oh, you know.
Jagger May:I mean, it's unique. Like, she's like a hot lady. I'm not judging it at all. But, like, she's got, like, straight up the Steven Tyler's working. You know what I'm just Steven Tyler.
Jagger May:Okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Trying to bring this back. I'm trying to bring this So back to one of the many, many plot lines that they kinda gave us in in the I think it was the first episode was when Morticia is talking to Wednesday about how Goody is no longer available as her spirit guide, her family spirit guide. Someone and Morticia's like, I can step in and help until you get a new one. So that seems to be a plot line that they kinda dangled there, and they haven't really done much with.
Alfredo Brown:Definitely gonna be Ophelia.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I was gonna say, so I wonder if Ophelia's gonna be that next, like, teacher moment. Maybe Ophelia dies at some point in the second half, and then her spirit comes back as the guide. And that's gonna be how
Jagger May:Like a
Alfredo Brown:forced ghost?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Well, because that's how Goody Goody showed up as a ghost. That's how she was a spirit guide because she was a fucking spirit. So I could see Ophelia sacrificing herself or doing something to save Wednesday, whatever, and then that's how she becomes at the end of the season her new spirit guide.
Samantha Holt:That's actually something as soon as you said that, I was like, well, actually, makes more sense that Ophelia is actually already dead, and she comes back second half in terms of being her spirit guide. And the woman that we are thinking is Ophelia that is trapped is actually Tyler's mom to your point, Alfredo. And the reason why she wants to be killed is because she's tired of being a Hyde. I would I would wanna be tired of being a monster too.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Interesting. Okay. Maybe. I need get a
Jagger May:control it, like, have, like, a a professor Hulk, like, scenario where, know, you can keep
Matthew Kopfhamer:It felt like Tyler control it felt like Tyler was controlling it there when he, like, let loose at the end. Yeah.
Jagger May:So I think it's more like my secret, Tony, is I'm always angry type shit. I don't think it's, like, control is that he's just always a fuck ass. It's just how strong he is.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That's my secret dormant
Jagger May:of all his fucking
Alfredo Brown:games. Yeah.
Jagger May:It's just always a No. He's like, no. I'm super Saiyan fuck ass.
Alfredo Brown:I will say I think the transformation they had for him in this season looked way better than in the first season. Like, that's that's one of the the the positives of ending up waiting three years for this show to come back is, like, I I think the effects have gotten better. Set designs have gotten better. Jenna Ortega still looks the exact same age, but, like, everyone else around her looks like they're all at least 30. Like, they they look like the, like, the teenage son coming to pick up Marcus's daughter in bad boys two.
Alfredo Brown:Like, motherfucker, you're at least 30. Like, that's how all these kids look, man.
Jagger May:Exactly, dude. It's like it's like, looking at a old yearbook, how they looked back in the day. Like like like, that's how the now, like, they're stranger thinging all the Wednesday characters at this point. By the way, the one bug kid, this is one thing I aggressively IMDb'd. I was like, this kid's British.
Jagger May:He is not pulling off this American accent. Like, I don't know if you guys caught that.
Alfredo Brown:It's too it's too nasally at times. Like, doesn't even seem
Jagger May:just slips. Like, sometimes I'm like, I was like, Where is he? Is he from Louisiana? I was like, What the fuck is that?
Alfredo Brown:Wait. So what was it? Is he British?
Jagger May:Yeah. Oh, he's a 100% British. That's like yeah.
Alfredo Brown:I looked at everybody. You learned something new today on unabinged.
Jagger May:Yeah. Jack facts that don't matter.
Alfredo Brown:Do you remember his name? No. No names. No. But we're we're dialect checking you.
Jagger May:I doubt I'll watch this kid in anything else but Wednesday. I'm sorry. Like
Alfredo Brown:Alright. Let's, let's let's get back into this because, like, we I think we've done enough of the, like, the theorizing of Ophelia, where we're going there. I think the person that's being presented as the main villain right now, but we're not I don't know that I necessarily see her as the main villain. I think there's still more threads to pull out here. But right now, it's Judy Stonehurst, and she's the daughter of Augustus Stonehurst.
Alfredo Brown:And she has these powers of being an avian who can control these these these crows, and they're super creepy. They're killing people. But this all came from the experiments that her father did on her. He did it to himself, left them in the vegetative state. Did I miss it?
Alfredo Brown:Like, what is the driving force behind her doing this?
Jagger May:Is just is it just,
Alfredo Brown:like, prejudice or or, like, not even it feels more like a sorry. Other way around. It feels more like a get out situation where, like, we're yeah. Where it's like, oh, we revere them so much for their talents. We just want to take them from them so we can be like them.
Alfredo Brown:Like, that's what it really feels like.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I took it like more of a syndrome where she felt like she was outcast from the outcast by being enormous, so she wants
Alfredo Brown:to be When everyone's super nobody is?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. But at the same time, I still don't quite understand what her motivation is. Like, why is she going after Wednesday? Why is she kill the detectives and the the PIs who are looking at people cheating? Like, it just there's too many things
Alfredo Brown:that are just there. Herself into the equation. I don't think Wednesday would have been an issue had she not been if it hadn't been for those fucking meddling kids.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But, again, was was
Jagger May:Judy's motivation Harry Potter syndrome, like the like the hero shit. It's always you three. Yeah. Exactly. She's like, this is a job for meddling teenager.
Jagger May:Like, the like, she just, like, has to like, sometimes I wonder if Enid is like, like, yo, bro. Can you just, like, go to fucking class? No. They had that discussion in episode three. You know, she straight up had that
Matthew Kopfhamer:discussion with her in episode three. She's like, can you not for a minute?
Alfredo Brown:Eunan's just trying to make out, get good grades, be a teenager.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like, good vibes to me. Alfredo, I think the theme of season two, and I keep saying this, and the more I think through it to actually add something with thought, is it it's Frankenstein's monster. I think Judy isn't she is a villain, but she's Frankenstein. She's not the main villain.
Jagger May:She just she's made these fucking monsters that are now loose. And the same thing, like, Pugsley's bringing back whatever fucking robot zombie, who's obviously evil. And And Bulletproof. Wednesday yeah. And Bulletproof.
Jagger May:And I think Wednesday is creating her own monsters here because she keeps inserting herself into stuff.
Alfredo Brown:Well, we have a connection. Did you guys catch when I hate saying the name. Slurp goes to doctor Stonehurst? He finally speaks and says, hello, old friend.
Jagger May:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:So we're going to have that connection there where I do think that he eventually becomes the big bad of this all. Yeah. Kinda you kinda need to lean into more of that mystical, like, something that's going to be very difficult for Wednesday to overcome. And that's I kinda see that as, like, our demon pilgrim guy that we're gonna get towards the end of the season as he continues to power up.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I wonder if what they're going towards is that Slurp, whatever his name was back in the day when he was alive, was
Alfredo Brown:actually find out this dude's name. I can't do a whole another podcast calling him Slurp.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But I wonder if he was actually the first one to approach doctor Stoner or whatever the Augustus. It was like, hey. I have an idea. What if we give everyone powers? And then, like, recruited him as, like, the the face behind the operation, and they got the daughter involved.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then he, you know, died somehow or was trapped in the skull tree. I forget how how he died. I don't remember that part of the story. But I wonder if that's what they're going towards is, like, he is actually a progenitor of this program. He's the one that started Lois, actually.
Jagger May:Sammy, you're gonna say something?
Samantha Holt:Yeah. No. I was gonna say in terms of like Judy Stonehurst goals and direction, obviously she's the daughter and she's trying to continue experimenting on everyone. And the reason she obviously went after the detective and now by extension going after Wednesday is because they were starting to unravel that Lois existed. So that's, I think, the really thin storyline of, like, why she's doing what she's doing and why she's going after those people.
Samantha Holt:I don't feel like to the same point, though, like, she's the main villain. It doesn't feel like a strong enough tie and story. It feels like the lead in for
Matthew Kopfhamer:what's gonna
Samantha Holt:be the bigger story. It does. But also a connection to your point, cough, in terms of who the real villain is and who is gonna end up being the ultimate, you know, penal the one that at the end that we're trying to fight off. And I think it could end up being the zombie that we're gonna find out his name in part two and remember it because he does seem like the one that is wanting to make everyone an outcast so that no one's an outcast and have that level of villain where you're trying to experiment on normal people. I feel like that makes a lot more sense in terms of the bigger villain and the bigger problem rather than what Judy's character is.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Agreed. Judy seems like a
Alfredo Brown:distraction. Way I'm yes.
Samantha Holt:And she was also weak as soon as they started to attack her, and that was like, oh, well, you're not really that strong anymore.
Alfredo Brown:The birds
Jagger May:are now,
Matthew Kopfhamer:bitch. God. Yes. The birds the
Samantha Holt:birds aren't underground.
Alfredo Brown:The the way I look at it here is with the zombie, the the saying hello, old friend, and immediately going to killing, and that really felt like he he went out and searched for doctor Stonehurst here. This is someone who betrayed him. So I, like, wouldn't put it past him that Judy is the next person he's gonna go after. And, I mean, who knows what the extent of the powers are here? I think that's something that's, like, really intriguing in this whole, let's call it the Adams verse or the Wednesday here is that, like, we don't know the length of people's powers.
Alfredo Brown:I think this was, like, really the first time in the series where they expanded upon the types of characters. I think last year, there was, the sirens and the werewolves and stuff like that. The Gorgons. This am I wrong? This was the first year I'm hearing of Da Vinci's and all these other things, like the Avians, and there there's
Matthew Kopfhamer:a lot more. Like, there's a of can coming out shoot the fireballs. Like, I didn't see that last season. We got a fireball.
Jagger May:Speaking of, like, what the fuck is he? Is he just like this middle management problem? Because that there's that that's another, like
Matthew Kopfhamer:There's a weird, yeah, there's a weird subplot with him where it's like he's obsessed with getting these donors, and it's like, is he just, like you said, a harried middle manager, or is he there's some sort of, like, insidious plot line where it's like I don't know. It it's a very weird way that they're playing this character because he seems, like, overly nice to, like, Wednesday, but then he's, like, threatening to the siren, And then he's like
Alfredo Brown:Money, money, money, money, money.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Exactly. So it's like,
Jagger May:is he just the Mr. Kratz character?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Because if so, great. But it just feels like there's something more to that storyline that they're just kinda keeping slightly behind the curtain, and they're waiting for the second half to unveil. And maybe maybe Steve Buscemi's character is secretly funding this the zombie come I don't know. It it's there's something going
Samantha Holt:Lois, like, something there. Like, in terms of the experiments that are happening on the outcast. Like, there's gotta be some level tie into the dark side because
Alfredo Brown:because that's not a federally funded building there.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. That's not. Like, they they must be funding each other, like, in terms of, like, keeping that going so that way they can keep outcasts happening. And maybe that's why we're seeing so many different ones because of the experiments that they're putting on outcasts and other families, and maybe that's how we're getting even more weird kids coming. They need them.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Maybe. I like that.
Alfredo Brown:These are the theories. These are the theories, Sam. Mhmm. MVP of the episode so far. I'm sorry.
Alfredo Brown:I think this gala that that's being planned is gonna be, like, the kinda like last last season where they had the big dance, and, like, that was, you know, kind of where all the characters end up meeting, and there's the big action that leads to the the eventual finale here. Think it's gonna be the same thing for the gala. It's gonna bring the family together, the money, the principal, all that. I I I wanna know who he's talking to. I'm curious.
Alfredo Brown:I I guess with this theory, it would probably be Judy Stonehurst then, right, with with him saying, like, I've never been more confident.
Samantha Holt:Well, I actually think that the the woman that I forgot her character's name that is actually running Willow Hill, like, not the Avian character. Yeah. I think that she She
Alfredo Brown:forgot her name.
Matthew Kopfhamer:She she had Eden.
Jagger May:Yeah. She did.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Well, she She was just the face.
Samantha Holt:Talking to him earlier in the episode. I mean, that could still be someone who was
Alfredo Brown:on the phone.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yes. But now it's now it's gone. She got she got Now it's gone. Zombied.
Samantha Holt:She did get zombied. But maybe.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. So it got what it kinda feels like and this is where, like, I wanted to to go into this because now we can sort of give our review and discuss the show. Just from our theories alone, there have been so many characters talking about so many subplots, so many threads to try to pull at. I think they can land the plane and bring it all together in part two, but it does feel like it's going to be a lot. And, like, there's so many different rabbit holes that we go down that aren't even don't even really feel necessarily important to the story.
Alfredo Brown:Because it did feel like episode four, we could have started there. It had the most connective tissue to season one, and it really kicked off everything with a bang. I wanna ask you guys, like, where are you at with this show? Because for me watching this, I think it's probably like a six and a half, seven for me right now. Like, I'm having a good time.
Alfredo Brown:It's not a bad show. I'm I'm I'm enjoying it. I think I got most intrigued by episode four here, but I don't quite believe that this show has the same magic, like, pun intended, as as season one where it was just fun right out of the gate. I was very invested in the mystery, the story. Jenna Ortega is still doing great, and I don't know if there's necessarily too many bad acting jobs in this, but I'm less invested.
Alfredo Brown:Sam, how do you feel?
Samantha Holt:I don't wanna say I'm less invested, and I wanna say I'm around a six and a half, seven as well in terms of how I'm feeling this season. But I think that what the magic was from season one was the amount of mystery and the learnings that we had of Nevermoor and the mystery, and now the mystery is gone. We know exactly where all the bodies are in in a sense and all the magic that there is. And so everything feels kind of fast and a little bit forced, but maybe by being fast and forced in part one, it's gonna have a little bit of the lingering and more buildup in part two that will help tie it all together. Because, yeah, it feels like there's too many storylines that they're gonna able to tie up, but that could also be intentional in terms of trying to build up for a season three because season one did a good job being in a nutshell.
Samantha Holt:And I think that season two struggles to have its own storylines that are gonna continue to expand this universe that we're in. And if they're really wanting to make it a true series and have a season three, how are they gonna build that up? Or are they just gonna keep killing off the principal of this school because they end up being the villain, and then every year we get a new principal.
Jagger May:They're the dark arts professor.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. They're the dark arts professor that can't keep the job.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yep. I it does sometimes make me think of, like, a series of unfortunate events where I'm like, well, there's there's count Olaf. You know? Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:I I I think the biggest the thing where this sorry sorry, Kopf. I'm a I'm a let you go in just a moment. I think the thing where this show struggled the most is, like, we're gonna need to have a lot of payoff for a lot of storylines that have occurred. Like, the new little invisible friend, it kinda felt like we wasted the first couple episodes being like, oh, she has a stalker. Oh, she tracked down a serial killer.
Alfredo Brown:Like, there there was just, like, a lot of things that so far have not led anywhere, and I understand, like, that's what a show does, especially leaving you at a cliffhanger here mid season. But that that worries me a little bit. Copper, are you feeling the same way?
Matthew Kopfhamer:That's exactly where I was going with this was I feel like they are almost dangling too many plot lines. And by the end of the season, we're gonna be like, oh, they tied up the main three. Right? But they left 16 other ones open, and it's is it are they leaving it open for future stories, or they just kinda forget because they had so many balls in the air that they let a few drop, and they just said, fuck it. Which, again, maybe is not a bad thing.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Some of these storylines, I feel like, could be dropped, and it's not a big deal. Like, Enid's love triangle, I do not care a single shit about. So let that die. Let that story my entire girls watching
Alfredo Brown:this that do care.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I know. I get it. I know. But it's just so dumb. It's like just talk Ajax.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, just talk to Ajax. Be like, bro, I'm not India anymore. I'm into this dude now. Like, get over yourself. Go find somebody else.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, boom. Get over it. But anyway, so I I do feel like
Alfredo Brown:She didn't tell him.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You know? I know. It is pretty messed up.
Samantha Holt:It's like communication solves things or something.
Jagger May:Oh my god. It's so revolutionary.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But, yeah, I feel like they're just the the the one issue I had with this story was a little bit of the pacing at the beginning of the season and just having so many storylines open up that I'm worried they're not gonna be able to land them all. But, otherwise, like you said, I I think this is a a pretty solid seven. It's a good time. Like, the music's good. The acting for the most part is is above board.
Matthew Kopfhamer:There's some exceptions. None that are glaring. But I I do have fun with the cameos. Like, when Christopher Lloyd popped up, I was like, oh, shit. Upper right.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Original uncle Fester making an appearance. And then it keeps showing up, I'm like, alright. Are they gonna drive this cameo into the ground? Maybe.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. CGI Christopher Lloyd, like
Matthew Kopfhamer:Just the flood of air.
Alfredo Brown:So slightly. Dude, you mentioned the music I we hadn't even talked about that. The needle drop of playing zombie on the piano has
Matthew Kopfhamer:Player piano.
Alfredo Brown:Zombies. I
Matthew Kopfhamer:get Westworld. It.
Jagger May:Like, whack it's like the good part of Westworld. Like Yeah. It's a
Alfredo Brown:little on the nose, but, like, it hit really, really well.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It hit hard. Yeah.
Jagger May:It was great. It's easily one of my favorite parts of this show is, like, all the needle drops. I'm like, that's pleasant. You know? Like, that Yeah.
Jagger May:That's for the olds who have to watch this. One
Alfredo Brown:of the things that I think all of us have mentioned is, like, the the many different story lines and threads here. I think both Sam and Coff, you guys have mentioned, like, could it go into a a next season? Jag, you and I were talking before this. We were like, I don't even know that I want another season of this. Like, I would love for this to to be a little bit more self contained.
Alfredo Brown:Is that is that where you're at, and what what are your thoughts on the show so far, Jack?
Jagger May:I feel like it's almost unfair for me to give a score, and that's like sometimes I give the cop out answer. For what this show is, I think it's a seven. I am a straight cis 33 year old male. I I know a lot of people out there tend to disagree, but not everything has to be geared towards me. And that's my biggest issue with this, is this, like, I'm a grown man.
Jagger May:Like, I just watch other shit, and I can watch other shit. So, like, I'm bored at times, but, like, that's that doesn't mean that it's bad. But as far as just the stretching stuff out, that is a problem, and that's not something that's unique to Wednesday. And I think that, like, sometimes HBO at there was a time where they were really good at just making the one season contained story, And I think that Netflix should learn that lesson because a lot of times, I'll rewatch the fuck out of one season of a really good show. I've I've rewatched watchmen like a thousand times.
Jagger May:But if you're gonna give me this bloated three season thing, even for something that's supposed to be lighthearted, it can just kinda ruin it for everybody. You know? Like, I know those people who had to watch Riverdale. The like, they felt fucked over. Like like, they they went through, like, ten seasons of, slop, and I I don't want that to happen to the Wednesday people.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. What I wouldn't mind seeing is maybe doing instead of a third season, maybe doing a movie where it's like they contain the story to, like, almost like a summer vacation, like a Adam's family summer vacation movie.
Jagger May:Like Where you see them? Do it at family values
Matthew Kopfhamer:again. Yes. Yeah. They literally Two hour movie.
Alfredo Brown:Animated. They did two animated Adam's family movies in, like, recent years, and the second one was them going on vacation comp. Like, you nailed this for the 12 year olds. Crushed it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But I'm saying if they wanna do a live action version, do that instead of a third season where they go back to school. Like, do something where it's, like, just the family off doing something. And I I would feel like a two hour a ninety minute two hour movie would be the perfect way to button this whole series.
Jagger May:Netflix is getting good
Alfredo Brown:at that. They they did that with, Last Kingdom. They're doing that with Peaky Blinders.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Did it Breaking Bad.
Jagger May:UK Del Camino. With, yeah. It was like, with with you The UK did that, I feel like. It's like Netflix yeah. BBC, like like, Netflix gets a lot of credit for the BBC being, like, on tight shows.
Jagger May:Like, I don't wanna give that them that credit.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Netflix is the Elon Musk for streaming services where they go in after the fact. They buy the rights, and they're like, it's ours. We did it. Yeah. Mhmm.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like like, the show's been made, then Netflix is just like, That's mine. And it's
Matthew Kopfhamer:just Damn.
Jagger May:Okay. Well
Matthew Kopfhamer:We paid a billion dollars worth of mine now.
Alfredo Brown:It's gotta
Matthew Kopfhamer:work. That's what they did with Black Mirror. Black Mirror was a UK show, and then they bought it, and they're like, now it's ours. Brought to you by Netflix.
Jagger May:Yeah. For people like Alfredo, British shows, they do what they call, like, series. And each season will be maybe three, if at most six episodes. And then that's it. And and yeah.
Jagger May:And then that that's it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I've seen show show.
Jagger May:Move the fuck on. They don't do the American thing where it's just like, we need eight seasons, two movies, and then a spin off.
Alfredo Brown:Can we make this a segment, by the way? It's explain it like it's Alfredo, and it's just Jag explained. It's just uninitiated. I
Jagger May:love it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Boom mic is used on set. No.
Jagger May:I'm just kidding.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. Get fucked, cough.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But I feel like America's going towards that where, like, every season now has fucking eight episodes or six episodes, and it's like, fuck you.
Jagger May:Write it good and tight. Fine. Don't do a stupid ass storyline about who gives a shit and their boyfriend. Who cares?
Matthew Kopfhamer:What if they do if they pull another fucking squid game where they leave us on a cliffhanger in the middle of a season, like, that's the end of the season. They are. Wait till the next season. Three fucking years from now, and then they just give us a continuation. I'm gonna be fucking furious.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Coffee. That's America.
Alfredo Brown:It's bullshit. America. Yeah.
Jagger May:Just heard what I said about Brits. I know. That whole spiel about it.
Alfredo Brown:Well, guys, this was this was fun. It's good to be back on the mic with everybody, and we're gonna be back again for Wednesday, season two, part two. But not only that, we got a bunch of other shows. And on Binge, we've sort of we're taking shape here a little more and pushing more towards TV and stuff that you guys are streaming, in full unbinge fashion, the stuff you guys are gonna binge with us, talk about it with us, and watch with us. So we're gonna be watching Alien Earth that's coming out very soon.
Alfredo Brown:Peacemaker season two, gen v season two is coming out. And like I mentioned, we've got Wednesday season two part two. And then in October, we've got it. Welcome to dairy, which all of us are very excited about. Like, there's just there's a lot of good TV and a lot of good streaming coming up.
Alfredo Brown:Koff, show everybody the shirt. Show everybody the shirt, please. Please. If you're listening, this is why you need to go over to YouTube. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Because Koff, there's some whores in this house. You gotta list all your carriers. You got Freddy Krueger. You got Pennywise, Michael Myers, Jason. Michael Myers twerking that thing.
Alfredo Brown:Oh my
Jagger May:gosh. If you guys oh, I'll review or comment, Koff will send you that shirt. If you want to opt for it, he has to give it to you.
Alfredo Brown:That that exact shirt, though.
Samantha Holt:Yes.
Jagger May:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Used. We'll do is we'll we'll cut up pieces of it and, like, send them out, like like, football cards of, like, jersey pieces, just swatches of cough shirts.
Jagger May:Jersey. Comment what kind of detergent you use, and cough will wash that shirt in that detergent and send it to. So I don't
Alfredo Brown:know about it. Alright. I don't know. I'm just looking at merchandising right here, by the way. We just just like making these shirts.
Samantha Holt:As long as I don't have to sell pictures,
Alfredo Brown:I think.
Samantha Holt:We're good.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, okay. That's a good that's a good time for us to wrap up here. That's that's the queue. Guys, as always, there's been a ton of fun. We wanna thank everybody for watching or listening all the way through, for myself, for Jag, for Koff, for Sam's feet.
Alfredo Brown:We'll see you next time. Adios.
Jagger May:Thank you.