On today's episode of UnBinged, we are talking about Alien Earth episodes one and two. We're gonna discuss how this relates to the alien movie canon, theories about these corporations and what's really going on, and we're gonna talk about the hybrids, the cyborgs, the synths, and, of course, the beautiful, beautiful xenomorph. All that and more on an all new episode of Unbinge starting.
Samantha Holt:This is your official spoiler warning. If you haven't watched Alien Earth, stop and go watch both new episodes right now because we're about to spoil everything for you. And if you haven't done a deep dive on the movies, go ahead and watch those two because it's fun and you'll like the show better.
Alfredo Brown:Guys, one of the first things that was talked about a lot as this show was coming out was that Noah Hawley was not going to be, I guess, including canon in this show. Not necessarily if he was retconning it or changing things. As a big fan of this show or excuse me, of this series here, this Cannon, Samantha. I called you full name, government name. Sorry for that.
Samantha Holt:Government name me.
Alfredo Brown:Is this a good decision? Like, should he be including more stuff, or does it kinda feel like, hey, it's okay for the show to be self compartmentalized?
Samantha Holt:Based on watching these first two episodes out the gate, I feel completely fine with whatever direction he wants to take this because there is enough of original alien in this, not only to sustain the world that he's bringing us further into, but to keep us asking questions, to keep building off of. I think he's done a really good job of taking what the original was, first movie, and building off of it. There's little nods to the other movies in tiny ways, which I do appreciate. And as any nerd would appreciate going into something, building off of something they love, happy about it. But he's done an amazing job episodes one into two that sets us up for an amazing series.
Samantha Holt:So I am not left wanting, and I'm just ready to enjoy the ride.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. To me, this
Alfredo Brown:is Yeah. I'm I'm loving this.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Sorry.
Alfredo Brown:Go. Go.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I was gonna say, to me, this is almost a nonfactor because if you really think about it, the events of Prometheus and covenant, how many people actually know what happened in universe. Right? How many people know that David went rogue and did all this crazy shit and that Waylon was on a secret mission to find immortality and find the engineers? So I I think it's perfectly fine that the events of those movies aren't referenced in this show at all because to seemingly, they were secret missions. And it seems like Weyland Yutani is so big at this point that they can kind of do multiple crazy missions like Weyland going to try to find the engineers and this ship going on a sixty five year research mission to try to find, you know, creatures from across the universe.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I think they're doing so many things. They have so many hands in the pies that it almost doesn't matter that the the canonness of those covenant and Prometheus aren't mentioned in the show. I think we're not gonna really feel the effects of that.
Samantha Holt:I agree. Because it's off world. You don't who really knows what happened with them? Right. And I like that before the show, Alfredo, you sent us this kind of timeline of all of the movies as well.
Samantha Holt:And I think that you can go back and forth and make little explanations and reasons why a isn't necessary and why b isn't necessary here.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right. And if timeline wise
Alfredo Brown:through the chat.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Timeline wise, this is the third entry in the series, if you will. It it's after Prometheus and Covenant, but before everything else. So it can really establish its own canon within this show.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like, my thing is I just didn't wanna retcon. I'm like, I don't wanna relearn stuff. And, but at the same time, I love the sci fi factor to where you're thinking about constant moral dilemmas. Seeing something like a synth where you have a deus ex machina scenario in here.
Jagger May:And then let's just let's just set an over and under how many times I bring up ghost in the shell while we watch this. This is straight up ghost in the fucking shell again, guys, to where what is humanity after you put someone inside a synth? And they even mentioned some of the things that make them human, like dread. You know, a lot of that's kinda gone. You know?
Jagger May:They're like, oh, it's all white noise. Like, it's like these kids are on Molly. Like, nothing feels bad anymore. Everything's just a fucking vibe.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But you
Alfredo Brown:know what? I was, like, weirded out by that because they did say that without the hormones, there's no moods. But, like, these kids are still showing emotion. Like, the the Wendy character still does seem to have, like, sadness and excitement and and things like that.
Jagger May:Was I
Alfredo Brown:the only one thinking that?
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's just muted.
Jagger May:That's the ghost ish shell. That I wanted to bring up is because Okay.
Samantha Holt:I think there's
Jagger May:Yeah. And, yeah, they are saying that you shouldn't have emotion. But because you've created something and that has emotion and you put it in something that's capable of so much with AI that naturally you create what's called a ghost. Sorry, Sam. I didn't mean but
Samantha Holt:No. No. I think that's a lot of what I was gonna say too just in terms of these are also big emotions. And as a child, it's hard to diminish those natural big emotions from things. So there's some things that I think hormonally, yes, you can be moody about things, but you don't necessarily need hormones to see something and make you make you feel sad, especially because they have supercomputers in their brains that are computing at a faster rate and that can learn these things very quickly, especially learn off of other people's emotions and learn off of other people's facial reactions.
Alfredo Brown:So that feels like the logical explanation. My explanation of it is more so what kind of monster did they cook up in that lab? Like, I don't think they even quite know, like, what what what these hybrids are because there's that moment where she's able to, I don't know, like, almost integrate with tech and take over it as her brother is talking to to a bot. And, boy cavalier is kinda like, did we did did we do that? Did we give her that ability?
Alfredo Brown:Did we teach her that? Like, how don't think they quite know. So I think they're saying all the things of, like, hey. This is how this system or this thing is supposed to operate. But because of the human nature of it, it's not gonna operate the same way they want it to like it would if it was just an actual machine, an actual synth.
Jagger May:Yep. God from the machine, man. You made something. You made Frankenstein, and now it's out of your hands. You know?
Jagger May:You just like a and it's crazy. The synth the synthetics are the only ones who understand that. And, like, not to bring it back to Prometheus, but he's just like, If I do this one little thing, I wonder what's gonna happen. And then he's just watching and observing. Whereas, I think human nature, we always think we're in control, but in all reality, we're never really in control.
Jagger May:We're just interacting with an environment and hoping to survive.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I believe that's called hubris.
Samantha Holt:That's a 100% this boy cavalier.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. It's that's that's in yeah.
Samantha Holt:Commodities that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:The the downfall of humanity is our hubris, and and that's what this entails is because at the end of the day, I think it was Kersh that mentioned it when he's talking to Wendy on the flight over where he's like, you know, you used to be food, but then you convince yourselves you weren't because you took yourselves out of that that chain. Right? But now we're we're reintroducing these creatures like the xenomorphs who are true apex predators and will tear us apart in seconds as we saw in that dinner party. And so it's reintroducing that that dinner
Jagger May:party was awesome.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That was crazy.
Samantha Holt:Dinner party was so
Matthew Kopfhamer:That half oh. Yeah. Anyway. So we
Alfredo Brown:entered the door in a powder white wig. If that's all serious, boy cavalier will call me.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Shit was ridiculous.
Jagger May:I just thought if it's always sunny, they're like, yes.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. With the with the the teeth whistle.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But I love how this series and I I I this show, I think, in particular, is really reintroducing that fear into the hubris of humanity. Was like, hey. You may have the technology, but you're still, at the end of day, just meat sack.
Alfredo Brown:There's Well, it's all Go, Sam. Go.
Samantha Holt:No. I was just gonna say that it's funny because there's a lot of different mirroring things in this show that bring it back to why we always end up here as a society, as people, and different things. And I like the really good baseball callbacks because it's America's greatest pastime. Much like hubris of humanity is
Matthew Kopfhamer:Born our pastime.
Samantha Holt:Our own greatest pastime. It's our our greatest pastime is finding new ways to destroy ourselves and each other. And all of that gets tied back together. So I think that there's just lots of little elements through that that do really good in terms of layering story here, but just mirroring it back to you, but not in a way that's egregious.
Jagger May:Yeah. Baseball's America's pastime as in I like to pass over it and find time doing something else.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Not so much baseball. This show did a really good job here with this first episode where they essentially, without having to even acknowledge the previous movies, were able I mean, they did in a way like, right? Everything felt very alien adjacent from that first film, but they were able to build out and even expand on the alien verse a little bit right here in this first episode. Give us a massive expo dump of all these companies like the state of the world at this time.
Alfredo Brown:What's going on with the since the cyborgs, every like every single different piece of this story? And it didn't feel overdone. It really felt like we were, I mean, very similar to a lot of movies lately. We're getting dropped into the middle of a story. We're not having to do the whole origin.
Alfredo Brown:Like, they just they they gave us the cliff notes. That's becoming a thing. Are you guys noticing that, by the way? We got that in Superman a little bit where it's just like, hey, let's give you the opening crawl of this is the setting. We don't need to take it so slow.
Alfredo Brown:I'm I'm curious because I know that with Noah Hawley, he does tend to start out shows a little slow. This almost feels fast for him and feels fast for for TV in general. Like, we just got thrown right into the shit.
Jagger May:It's a throwback to to Greek epics that the writing stall called in medias risk where you just thrown into the middle of things. That's what that Latin would
Matthew Kopfhamer:say star wars. And Yeah.
Jagger May:Yeah. And and I love starting things like that. Like, I think one of my favorite movies drive, there is, like, zero dialogue. You're right in the middle of, like, a bank robbery, and, like, that's it. It's to where, like, instead of presenting questions or already giving me things, it lets me have a question, and that question drives the plot for me.
Jagger May:And as long as it keep feeding me info and it's paying off, I'm here for it. And that's what they keep doing. Like like, I'm upset this is the one FX Hulu show with it and drop the whole fucking season because I'm just ready for the rest of it. So.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And speaking of world building
Samantha Holt:Same for the rest of it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Speaking of world building, I I think one of the central themes of the original series, Alien and Aliens, is the underlying almost class warfare of it all, where it's like you have labor versus the company. And we see that again in this show, and it's almost like a throwaway line by after the ship crashes, Boyd Cavalier talks about triage based on, like, income level, basically. And so it's like prioritize the wealthy. And so, again, it just goes it's baked into the DNA of this show that, it's it's, you know, it's the it's the working class versus the upper class at all times.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And I and I love that they're continuing to bring that back into the series because that's such a vital part of the original. And I think without that, it it becomes a hollow story, just a a baseless sci fi show, whereas this really has some some actual consequences. We're seeing the people on the ground affected by these decisions from the company. And how is it gonna fuck over the earth as a whole and what the implication is of a loose xenomorph in the world.
Alfredo Brown:Do you guys like that this show for being what it is and being so different and being about a xenomorph and crazy future, it is hitting really close to home. Like, it it just really is where it's still there's classism, there's companies ruling the world. I mean, we've got five companies, five major corporations here. Really, from what I've seen, three of them have been mentioned. I don't know who the others might be, but we've got Whelan Yutani, Dynamic and Prodigy.
Alfredo Brown:And Weyland Yutani is known to be the owners of owners of Mars, Saturn, and then, of course, North And South America. They're collecting them like Pokemon cards. Like, it's just Earth that gets split up here. Prodigy seems to have Thailand, and they have their Neverland Research Island, which there's a lot of questions about that there. But this is hitting so close to home.
Alfredo Brown:How did you guys feel about this being something that's so similar when, really, we're supposed to be in a whole world that's very different from our own?
Jagger May:I think the most interesting I think the most interesting factor is the rules that we have with the xenomorph. What was so dangerous about it is you couldn't just blast a xenomorph because the the blood would would would go straight through the hull, and you're just gonna compromise your ship. You no longer really have that rule. And we've kinda seen that in alien covenant, but we've never seen it in a sense to where you have all these people here. This to me, this is like predator two, but with alien and, like, an entire show.
Jagger May:So, like, how many people are just gonna die by just trying to, like, shotgun blast this thing and getting sprayed by acid. And, really, if there's these other aliens going out, how does this affect and I'm kinda setting you up, Alfredo, for a theory that you brought up. How is this effect gonna work in our environment? Because there's just no way that this is gonna get contained. You've got this one angry ass cyborg.
Jagger May:Contained. Yeah. It's already out of containment. Like, you got the one cyborg trying to do his job. He was only trying to do his job with the xenomorph.
Jagger May:He didn't give a fuck about eyeball Jonesy over there and fucking Leech McGee. He didn't give a shit about that. He just wanted a xenomorph.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. I petitioned for Jagger to be in charge of naming the creatures from now on because all of these are about facehuggers.
Samantha Holt:I still like facehugger.
Jagger May:Well, I didn't rename a facehugger. I just like that that's already been named.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That's classic, man. That's forty years beaten.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Seriously. So one thing I mean, I'm glad you mentioned it here, Jagger, with all these so these all these different creatures. Right? Like, I think that lends itself to something even more because on this very long, what, like, sixty plus years exploration in deep space, they're out here collecting all these creatures, which I'm assuming are all coming from different planets, different places.
Alfredo Brown:Right. Yes.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I was no. I was gonna say I had the same thought. Like, is they had to have stopped at different planets to collect these. They couldn't have all come from the same environment. Right.
Alfredo Brown:And so, like, it feels very intentional with everything that they're doing there, not just, you know, go and find us X, Y, Z, bring it back. We're going to study it and we're going to make humanity better.
Matthew Kopfhamer:This
Alfredo Brown:really does feel like a corporate warfare. So my theory on this is that the real plot here and the reason it's called Alien Earth is not just because the alien crash lands on Earth and that's the setting of it. It's because I think that Earth becomes really a true war zone for these corporations And that Weyland Yutani already has the advantage in the space race. Like I mentioned before, what? They have Saturn.
Alfredo Brown:They have, they have Mars. They have North And South America. And, like, they're seeing we already see it here. When the ship does crash land in Thailand, like, they're not even allowed to go and get their own stuff. Like, Earth really is yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Koff.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Is that so I was trying to figure that out. Is that because Prodigy owns that city? Like, that's Prodigy City? Yes. They run-in a okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Gotcha. I wasn't sure if that was
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Okay. That's that's what I
Alfredo Brown:mean, is that not all that different from now? Like, if a US ship crashes in Russia? Like, Russia's not gonna be like, yeah. Come get your boys. Cool.
Alfredo Brown:No. They're like, this is ours.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Toughness. Company like, a Russian company is not gonna be like, this is ours. The Russian government may be.
Alfredo Brown:But this isn't yeah. But these companies are
Samantha Holt:government companies.
Jagger May:You gotta think about it, Koff. It's like you already said the joke. Late stage capitalism, doc. This is this is post, like, late stage capitalism. Like, they already like, Luthor one, fucking mister terrific died and was replaced by another Luthor brainiac.
Jagger May:Lure. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. All the worst people you know won.
Jagger May:That's so like like and it's gotta be, like, okay with that. Yeah. Yeah. And that, like, government government and corporation are the same thing. And then we already seen that in Star Wars with corpo and stuff like that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Good point.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah.
Samantha Holt:Weyland Yutani is Amazon. Dynamic is Meta, and Prodigy is Tesla.
Alfredo Brown:Oh god.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You're fucked.
Alfredo Brown:That feels really Really fucked. Really real. Yeah. We're we're pretty fucked. Birds there, guys.
Alfredo Brown:The we really are. The reason that I bring this up too is I think that a lot of the focus, of course, is going to be like, there there is a dichotomy here between because I think a lot of the focus is gonna be in the xenomorph, the alien, and how horrifying it is. But maybe we're not paying enough attention to some of these other creatures because the xenomorph is what we, like, we've come to know and love and fear. These other creatures seem equally as dangerous. You got this eyeball tentacle thing that can control bodies however it fucking wants to.
Alfredo Brown:We got the blood slug.
Samantha Holt:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Like, they're they're and and the thing is, like, the fact they went out and got so many different things, they call it, like, the zoo. Right? It's not just for one creature to come out here and wreak havoc. It does seem like a, hey.
Matthew Kopfhamer:A menagerie.
Alfredo Brown:As much as we can. And let and let's start to it almost feels a little Jurassic World. What is it? Dominion. What's the last one?
Alfredo Brown:Fallen Kingdom? No. Whichever
Jagger May:one is
Alfredo Brown:Dominion. Rebirth.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, let them out.
Alfredo Brown:No. No. Not that one.
Jagger May:The one. Dominion. The bad one. Yeah. The real, real bad one.
Alfredo Brown:Bad one where, like, the corporation is trying to trying to destroy crops. Like, they're literally trying to fuck over the earth.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Dominion.
Alfredo Brown:So that then people are reliant on them. And that's what this feels like with Weyland Yutani is let's destroy the Earth with these creatures. People are going to want to go live in our bases that we have in Mars and Saturn and everywhere else. We're already ahead in the space race, and this is essentially going to bankrupt all these other companies that have invested so much in Earth. You've got Prodigy out here trying to make hybrid humans.
Alfredo Brown:Well, guess what? Fuck those hybrid humans. They're not going to have the rights to go and live where we want. They've got to live wherever Prodigy is. And if Prodigy is here on Earth, fuck them.
Alfredo Brown:They're done, too. And I think it's an interesting dichotomy where Weyland Tani is destroying Earth, destroying humanity, and Prodigy is telling themselves, we're making humanity better. When, really, it's just this selfish boy cavalier. It's like, I wanna have a good conversation. Is that too much to ask for?
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's not about the money.
Jagger May:You're smart. But you're not smarter than me. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's like, what a fucking little Whenever somebody says it's not about the money, it's about the money. That's that's Yeah. Come on.
Alfredo Brown:I don't know. I wouldn't trust someone that holds their iPad with their feet. Yeah. Just gonna say that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So speaking of Alfredo, that's literally so many companies do that though, where it's like they create a problem because they have a solution or they think they do. And then they're like, we're the saviors. Whereas I wonder if they're playing this in a way where they're gonna try to blame Prodigy for this incident and be like, they didn't allow us in to contain it, and that's why everything got loose and blah blah blah blah blah. And that's how they undermine their comp they undermine their competition while creating some devastating consequences. So I I could absolutely see it being maybe not the entire earth being destroyed because that seems pretty pretty fucking crazy, but absolutely destroying
Alfredo Brown:Definitely a like a place you don't wanna live. Like, have bad real estate.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. You take out your like, your competition's headquarters in Thailand, so you you you basically nuke Thailand with an alien. And then nobody wants to live there, and the banks are like you said, banks are becoming I think that's a good theory. I mean, it's solid.
Alfredo Brown:Did it. Good theory.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's corporate espionage on a level we haven't seen since severance.
Jagger May:I'm curious severance late.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Did you did you guys see Raghabi?
Jagger May:Yeah. She's still fucking around with technology that you probably shouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime you see Ragabe, guys, you know it's a bad time.
Alfredo Brown:She's up some shisty shit.
Jagger May:Yeah. I'm curious to where, like, what's the least popular. Like, cyborgs don't seem to be cool. And I think it's because, obviously, you're probably giving up humanity. Like, it probably does so because, like, Moro was just like like, the the the species are the mission and was, like, literally humming a song while, like, homegirls getting murdered back there.
Jagger May:Screaming. Yeah. So, I mean, that's I I'm curious to what all these side effects are and if they get explained. You know?
Matthew Kopfhamer:I had a theory, though. I think Morrow or Murrow may actually be secretly a synth and was everyone was told he was a cyborg because he seemed to be the captain of the ship. So I wonder how many, like, actual humans, if they were told, hey. The synth's gonna be the captain. They'd like, fuck you.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm not I'm not doing that. Though they're fine with him being a science officer. So I wonder if they were like, here's your captain. He's a cyborg to explain, you know, his arm and shit, but he's actually a synth because he definitely acts more like a David or an Ash where everything comes down to the mission is priority, even including tying those two dudes up in the lab and letting them get desiccated by the bloodbugs. So I don't think he's human at all.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I I don't think there's an ounce What of humanity in
Jagger May:I disagree with is that he he doesn't have a curious mind. He follows orders. Like, they David David and Ash, and they play jazz to where they're like they were following orders, but they were always comfortable sitting back observing what happened and then reacting. Whereas Homie was just a fucking terminator the entire time. Just like Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But this is remember, this is a model from sixty five years ago. This wasn't an advanced model like ours.
Alfredo Brown:A little more mercenary than anything. Yeah. Like, this is because if he is if he is a cyborg. Right? And you talked about how people aren't respecting cyborgs because they feel like maybe they've given up on their humanity.
Alfredo Brown:That probably is what plays into it. This is a person who has maybe given up on his own humanity. He's just following the people that made him a cyborg. Like, he doesn't give a shit because, like, I don't I don't was he the captain? Because he didn't seem to have, like,
Matthew Kopfhamer:any He was the one giving orders.
Alfredo Brown:Well respected.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He was the one giving orders at the when they came out of Cairo.
Alfredo Brown:Okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He's the one that had access to mother, which is only a captain thing or an us, the the first officer.
Jagger May:It actually moves down to who dies as well. Right. So yeah. Like like because he's the head of security. So, like, essentially, if, like, you lose the captain, Raghabi, was, I'm assuming, the science officer.
Jagger May:Science officer. Yeah. Unavailable. So at that point, he would have access to mother. We also mother just does some fuck shit.
Jagger May:What if she's like, yeah, you're in charge, buddy. And but not really. I got my my soldier
Alfredo Brown:in here. Yeah. What was Tang? Does anyone know what he was besides a creep?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Was he was he the synth? Because I thought they were playing that he was a synth.
Alfredo Brown:A synth. This this is my question then.
Jagger May:And was he a man, bear, or both? Like, was he a man?
Alfredo Brown:Man, bear, pig.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I told you there was bears Man,
Samantha Holt:I bear, pig. It's always a
Alfredo Brown:I'm I'm curious about what really happened aboard the Maginot because I think that Morrow is sort of a red herring here. I I'm I'm curious as to what is going on because he's he's being made out to be an obvious villain. And I just don't know that Noah Hawley or this show is going to be that straightforward with everything, because if not, we're kind of just watching Die Hard with an alien. Right? Like, everyone's in the building trying to beat the alien and then get out like that.
Alfredo Brown:This show does seem to be doing a lot more than that, especially because they've been giving us these breadcrumbs of whatever happened on the Maginot was not all that simple. You have people getting shot. There's bullets. There's someone with blue lips that have been infected with a toxin
Matthew Kopfhamer:or something.
Alfredo Brown:Fucking creep. You got the crew getting infected. Actually, excuse me, the crew has these face huggers on them in cryo sleep. And then obviously the crash itself. Why is he not trying to control the ship?
Alfredo Brown:Why is the ship in what seems to be intentionally crashing into Thailand while Homi's just getting into a nice little, you know, space sleeping bag. Everything seems to be a little off. I don't know that Morrow is necessarily the hero, but I don't know that he's necessarily the villain here either.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He might just be a pawn.
Jagger May:I mean,
Samantha Holt:it definitely could be one or the other. Yeah. Pawn. You're muted. Said.
Jagger May:I'm curious if someone set the xenomorph off, like, as a as a side mission. Or as we know, like as soon as someone sees an egg, they're like, Oh, me
Matthew Kopfhamer:do a face for you.
Jagger May:Yeah and something happened, and they're like, Well, let's go put them in the cryo sleep and try to freeze it and see if that happens to stop to stop whatever the fuck's going on when we get to Earth. Because, like, it's hard for me to think that scientifically and logically, you would wanna set that off when you don't have a better controlled environment. If you just brought back the eggs, you could set up a whole fucking facility. You could try to, what was that really shitty alien, predator movie with a fucking homeboy where they had the whole environment? Requiem?
Jagger May:Yeah. That ass movie. Yeah. I mean, you could set up a facility like that is what I'm saying for the alien. Like, it's hard for me to see how mother would logically say, yeah.
Jagger May:Let's just set this shit off and and see what happens.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Well, that brings up a good point, Jug. Do you think that they only captured eggs in facehuggers? Because we saw that the facehuggers were suspended. Clearly did.
Jagger May:We saw that. I was yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But that's what I'm saying. Do you think that they got all stages of that life form captured? Or do you think they only got, like, the eggs and the facehuggers, and a facehugger got out or an egg let loose a facehugger, and that's what led to the xenomorph? Or do you think they were able to capture a full grown xenomorph and brought that bitch on ship and that's what escaped?
Samantha Holt:No. I wait. Can I
Jagger May:jump in? Please.
Alfredo Brown:Always, Sam.
Samantha Holt:I I think that there's a lot of what we're talking about. I think there's a lot of context clues in what we've already seen happen. As the crew woke up and then had their little lunch break and then went back into cryo, we did see another crew member having a sandwich and performing experiments while everyone's falling asleep. And we also had the moment where we saw Tang, you know, doing the, you know, nice and pretty to the little pods as the girls were falling asleep. Love that moment.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. It weird. Super creepy. But I think that based on that context of seeing someone already doing experiments, testing out, you know, human type things. So taking a rat and putting it in with an alien, I think that we have the context clue of while everyone went to sleep, there was a level of mission for Synth or others to perform on people in the controlled environment of being on the spacecraft and within a pod thinking, what can happen in here?
Samantha Holt:And then doing that test and then everything going to shit. Because I think what they ended up doing was capturing just the eggs because you can split open an egg and just like any bio class, dissect, dissect until you figure out what's inside and get a face hugger to figure out what's going on. But then, of course, in order to activate it, they, like, need to be near people. So I think what they ended up doing was having some eggs. We also saw, you know, obviously, the spaceship crashed, and we've got a bunch of eggs that are now perfectly sitting in a line.
Samantha Holt:How were those actually stored? Were they stored in a way that if someone entered the room sensing the, you know, blood pressure and sensing all of that activated them to wake up to go and inhabit somebody else? What was that setup like? So my question is more like, how did they store all the eggs? And I think that all they'd end up taking was eggs.
Samantha Holt:Because clearly, even when this really cool web netting gun that they've got, they can trap an alien, but he's still gonna get out of it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That was cool. Yeah. That was cool. That's really cool to see when
Samantha Holt:he he
Matthew Kopfhamer:did that.
Samantha Holt:So cool.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Then he just picked it up. Was like, he's like, back in trash. Yeah.
Jagger May:Mean, think the the splooge gun, that that you gotta keep that thing on you, dude. There we go.
Alfredo Brown:That thing's trapped on you.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Keep the blinky.
Alfredo Brown:Once again, I am petitioning for Jagger to be in charge of all naming rights. The splooge gun.
Jagger May:The alien franchise.
Samantha Holt:Also, it's like a multi tooled weapon. So it's like a tases, and then it does that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It would make sense that the alien's weakness is a splooge gun.
Jagger May:Or getting zapped because that grill. You know? It's just like Yeah. Like like
Matthew Kopfhamer:I know fire
Jagger May:actually But here's the thing is electrical and stuff, it doesn't puncture the skin or exoskeleton.
Alfredo Brown:So
Jagger May:it's like the ideal weapon. This kind of reinforces, at least that they didn't retcon what happened in Prometheus or covenant, and that they know. They fucking know something's out there, and they at least know that there's some kind of weakness to where, like, don't run up and try to stab it with a knife or something like that. You know?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Also, this, I guess this goes back to the canon theory or the canon discussion. But would this show if they have a egg or a facehugger or a xenomorph, I guess that means they went to the same planet that David took over. So did they interact with David at all? Or how did
Jagger May:that Sorry.
Alfredo Brown:Your dog your dog disagrees. I've we also don't know if these creatures are also maybe found elsewhere as well. Like, we don't know how much time has passed. Like, have have other crews gone to that planet? Like, what what has happened since then?
Alfredo Brown:Sam, I feel like you're our resident alien, cannon expert here. Any Yes. For those that are listening, Sam has like this cute little alien
Samantha Holt:I have an alien toy.
Alfredo Brown:Plush toy that just
Jagger May:She sleeps with it. She cuddles with it.
Samantha Holt:You guys wonder why I'm single. Sorry. What was the question?
Alfredo Brown:Sam, just out here on the pod going, I'm very available. What was the question? Like so it is it possible that I mean, because Akoff's question here is, do they go back to that planet where David was, or is this something where they're like, hey, we know of this. Where else could this actually be? Or do we even need that question explained here?
Alfredo Brown:It kinda feels like everything from this show is just sort of just jumping past that stuff. Like, we don't need to see Bruce Wayne's parents die again.
Samantha Holt:What well, we don't need to see his parents die again. No. We don't. But also, the way that aliens spread is they need to inhabit other bodies. So I don't think it's necessarily that they're just went to one place.
Samantha Holt:They can do that. That is an option in terms of finding the aliens. But I also know the aliens have their own ships, and they're flying around trying to go places and inhabit other places. Wait.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm sorry.
Alfredo Brown:Aliens have xenomorphs have ships? Who gave them licenses? I've never seen one drive. Like, I it's there's obviously a dude in a suit, but are they really, like, what? Yes.
Jagger May:You talk about the engineers?
Samantha Holt:I'm sorry. Aliens. There's an alien ship.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. Okay. No. We are wait.
Matthew Kopfhamer:The engineers the aliens the the Unomorphs don't fly.
Alfredo Brown:Googling this as we talk. Someone else filled time.
Jagger May:Here's a 100% fly because they go around and they they they sift the
Matthew Kopfhamer:They see plants and shit. Yeah. Yeah. The engineers fly, but the xenomorphs do not. The xenomorphs are basically just mindless creatures.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. That's that's also what Google says, but it's the AI overview, so it could be lying to me on purpose.
Jagger May:Or does it? No. Yeah. Does the so Weyland Yutani's already taken over, like like, the homie over here asking too many questions.
Samantha Holt:But even removing that, they're a virus. The way that they spread and the way that they grow is they have to inhabit another body. They don't inhabit more a like, more of their exact selves. They have to inhabit other beings.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right. They're parasitic.
Samantha Holt:Well, there's also That's how they spread. They're parasitic. Yeah. They need other things to so theory makes sense that they would spread to not just one planet. They would be across other plan planets because Alright.
Samantha Holt:Once others visit them, then they would all go along.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like a parasite, though, they have to have a host to attach to to then travel to those other planets. They can't it's not like they can just shoot themselves off into space. Though seemingly, with Ramess, if we go by Ramess, they can survive deep space being frozen. So who knows? Maybe they can.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I don't know.
Alfredo Brown:Well, I mean, let's go back
Jagger May:to it.
Alfredo Brown:If you're saying that if no one here knows the events of of Prometheus, I mean, the the Whale Yutani Corporation's gotta be somewhat familiar with this species if they're being told to go out and search for it and look for it. So maybe they know after the the events of Prometheus that it is like this species is available or living and inhabiting other places besides that planet? Like and we mentioned that the engineers were able to fly ships to that planet. Is it possible engineers flew to other planets in this this xenomorph, this species is inhabiting other places? I think it's all very possible, and these are good questions for us to have.
Alfredo Brown:I'm I'm gonna sound like a dickhead here. Like, I don't know that it's germane to the story. Like, I don't know that it truly matters. Like, this is, like, one of those side small questions that you might find on Reddit. Like, not, like, a thing that we need to to get too hung up on.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's definitely not a central
Alfredo Brown:What I do wanna ask
Matthew Kopfhamer:plot point.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah. What I do wanna ask, though, central plot point, back to it, these hybrids. These they're basically from Hot Fuzz. Well, our our guy, he's got Child's Mind.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, YARP. YARP.
Jagger May:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, that's
Alfredo Brown:what we're looking at here. It's just like indestructible adults with child minds. And I'm not gonna lie. At first, I was thinking, oh, this this might not work very well. I might not like this.
Alfredo Brown:It's it's essentially it feels like Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly, where they're adults just acting like kids, but they have, like, Terminator capabilities. And I found myself not hating it. I found myself not being upset by it. I also think it's a different dynamic that we haven't quite had where you have something that does feel so indestructible, yet they have fear, like legit fear.
Alfredo Brown:They act like a kid would. We haven't seen this dynamic with the alien before.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So far, I'm only a fan of Wendy. The other kids, like, I don't like them yet.
Jagger May:Well, it's to me, it nerfs them because if you went in like, again, like, think I said, if you went in with a team of synthetics that were as logic as Kirsch, You've got a twenty minute movie, or you got a show, essentially, that's just like, you know, here's a synthetic at work, and it's
Alfredo Brown:just blasting the necessary wrinkle.
Jagger May:Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And it it it feels better than a lot of horror movies where they have to put a kid in to make it interesting, if that makes sense.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Because it it does
Alfredo Brown:Like like, we we avoid the Jurassic World Rebirth thing. Yes. Where you just you're dragging along a kid who finds a cute creature. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right. Because these kids have the adult body that can get ripped apart by a xenomorph, and you're not gonna be shocked by it because it's not a child.
Jagger May:I guess that is something.
Alfredo Brown:That is Oh, look at that. Cough's like silver lining. We can kill these
Jagger May:kids. Finally.
Alfredo Brown:Someone who gets it. Thank you, Noah Hoffman. By the way, so that actually brings it up to me is that this t this show is TV fourteen, if I'm not mistaken. We I don't know if you guys noticed. When the violence happens, we don't actually really see it.
Alfredo Brown:Like, we're not seeing the people get ripped apart. We're not seeing the violence of it. A lot of it is happening off screen. We're, like, we're seeing the the after effects, which is just, like I think that's allowed, but I think there's probably something in there. I'd have to look it up, but, where we're not allowed to see the the typical violence that we have seen in previous Alien films.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Though that might be a good thing because that lends more to the horror element, whereas we saw in the the ship crash when the the I forget her name. But she was begging to get let into, like, the mother room, and then the alien catches up to her. Like, we see that attack, and it's very frenetic. So it it felt less terrifying seeing that than the dinner party where you just hear it happening in the background. Or even the scene with with Mara where he's, like, he's looking one way and the the alien's taken out everybody behind him.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So you just kinda see the tail whip around and the blood fly. So I feel like that element is better themed for a horror show like this than it is, like, a typical action show. So I kinda like
Alfredo Brown:Good job. Good job enunciating the double r on horror.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Horror.
Alfredo Brown:Horror. Man. Horror. Good man there. Horror.
Alfredo Brown:I'm gonna I'm gonna, like, interject here and go we'll go back to the hybrid stuff and keep talking about that. But, Sam, as someone who loves creatures and and and makeup and design and all that, Have you been satisfied with the xenomorph here? Because I'd say maybe since the first alien movie, this is really the first time where I'm looking at the xenomorph and like, that's a dude in a suit. But it doesn't feel bad. I actually kinda like that the xenomorph is practical.
Alfredo Brown:Is that how you feel here?
Samantha Holt:100%. I think that this show only works when you have a perfect blend of practical effects with obvious CGI. Also, helps a lot for the horror app aspect for these actors going into it to be interacting with something real. And I think that there's so many times where you have films shows that have something happening, and there's just something missing in the actor's eyes because they're not interacting with something real. But because all of the real all of the xenomorphs when they're in those tight shots, those are all practical effects.
Samantha Holt:There is a very real sense of danger that's coming across in the scene that you wouldn't get if it was just all CGI. So I do think this blends it all very well in very tiny ways. Even down to one of the monsters we haven't talked about, the pod that's hanging from the ceiling. So that pod is just hanging there. You can have that practical effect and just have things dripping.
Samantha Holt:It only happens towards the end of the second episode where you've got this little tentacle flower that comes out. That's a little CGI moment. But these people have been interacting with this thing in the space that makes it feel super real and dangerous and creepy. And what the hell is that thing?
Jagger May:Burgavi's in there?
Samantha Holt:But you've got that
Matthew Kopfhamer:from Did Oh, shit.
Samantha Holt:The practical effect. Did anybody
Matthew Kopfhamer:else get, like, pinata vibes? Like, I wanted to smack that thing with a stick.
Jagger May:Fuck no. I wanted to burn it. What did
Matthew Kopfhamer:he get? Obviously.
Samantha Holt:No. Yeah.
Jagger May:That's the widest candies ever said on this pod, I think. You never know. A wide hit, though. I wanted I wanted to
Matthew Kopfhamer:I wanted to hit it.
Jagger May:I wanna flick that in.
Alfredo Brown:Like an evil space vagina, and you're like, I wanna hit it with a stick. Sorry, Sam.
Samantha Holt:What does this say? Oh
Jagger May:my god.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm a scientist.
Samantha Holt:This is before we even started recording. You're like, you know, when you see the eggs, don't you just wanna kick it? I'm like, that's such like a 10 year old kid thing to do. I wanna hit it with a stick or I wanna kick it with my foot.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then burn it with fire.
Jagger May:Cough, you're a knot on my apocalypse, team dog. I sound so
Samantha Holt:funny, overall.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I I tell everyone this. If there's an apocalypse situation, I am one of the first wave of people going out. Like, I don't wanna survive that shit.
Jagger May:For sure. But you do, like,
Alfredo Brown:don't be fast. I just gotta be faster than you.
Jagger May:Yeah. Push you down.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Honestly, let me go. I'll I'll push myself down. Like, oh, no.
Samantha Holt:You're like, I'll take one, guys.
Jagger May:Alfredo's Go on. Liv. You're cool. You're cool right now.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Alright. We're in. Yeah.
Jagger May:Vic's a doctor. He's already in. But, like Absolutely.
Alfredo Brown:We need him. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, are you kidding me?
Alfredo Brown:He should
Matthew Kopfhamer:be stuck at the hospital. What are you talking about? Okay.
Alfredo Brown:It's it's the apocalypse, Doug. There is no
Samantha Holt:first thing to go down.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. So back to this. If we're if we're talking about, I I think, some of the main storylines of this is obviously the corporate the corporate espionage of it all, the very obvious xenomorph fear and danger. But I think the other and maybe most curious one of all, because once again, I don't think everything is as straightforward as we think it is, is the hybrids, these, quote, lost boys that are being created on Neverland Research Island by Prodigy.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Ugh. There
Alfredo Brown:are a lot of things here that point to just dark, sinister stuff. And, I mean, I'm curious as to what you guys think about it. I don't know if I'm quite there yet, but there are plenty of signs that point towards something kind of gross. And it's the the yeah. I mean, the the idea of finding and essentially taking these terminally ill children, turning them into hybrids.
Alfredo Brown:It felt a little Jedi y of, like, taking kids that, you know, fit the mold. Special. They can't go see their parents anymore. They're special. And then we hear adult minds are, quote, too stiff.
Alfredo Brown:Kid minds fit just right. That like, I got the jeebies just listening to that. And, you know, this whole idea, the synthetic bodies don't grow. There's no hormones. There's no moods.
Alfredo Brown:They also they don't get to leave Neverland Island. They don't get to see their parents or their family again.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Their family's told they die. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Like, there is just a lot of weird, creepy cult shit going on here. And there was one moment in particular where you see the carving of the three monkeys, the hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:And it lent itself to me the same way that boy Cavalier is talking about how the hybrid project is there to save humanity from A. I. And it's almost like, does he not even see how fucked up this is because he's so entrenched in his own hubris? Or is he actually that dark and sinister? Because Dame Silvey has this whole idea that we need to improve humanity.
Alfredo Brown:If not, we're just making consumers immortal, which almost feels like I say the dichotomy of
Matthew Kopfhamer:of. Amazon's.
Alfredo Brown:Whatever. I'm not talk. Yeah, I'm not I'm not making it that real. I'm talking about the the the dichotomy here of Weyland Yutani bringing these creatures versus this guy thinking he's improving life when, really, I think it's actually a lot darker, and he's killing humanity with it.
Jagger May:I mean, I don't know how dark it is. I guess my vibe is it's I honestly don't think he's trying to do something sinister. I think he's trying to genuinely fix something, and I think he's just like, you know, I'm just not a salesman. I'm a I'm a customer. Like, because I genuinely think that dude is a synth himself.
Jagger May:But he's thinks he's helping humanity so much that he's just making an omelet, and he's and, you know, they even, like they joke. They mention an omelet. And he's okay cracking some eggs, and these kids are the eggs, essentially, here. And I wouldn't be surprised if they have more failed experiments. Like, how, like, how many are down there that didn't work?
Alfredo Brown:The thing is I don't think he's doing it intentionally. Mhmm. I think he's doing it for the same reason he said. He just wants a better humanity and smarter people around to have conversations. But I think because of that, he's actually going to be the one that's in turn killing and ruining humanity.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Well, did they
Samantha Holt:I think that it's more of a complex.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Did they outright say this was an illegal procedure, or did they just say that this was, like, more illegal?
Alfredo Brown:Well, yeah. That's why it's on a fucking island where no one would know about it.
Jagger May:Sam, what were saying about the complex?
Samantha Holt:Yeah. I feel like for, Boy Cavalier, he's he he was very explicit in terms of like, well, I just want something smarter than me. There's nothing smarter than me. I am the pick peak. I am the pinnacle of all of these things.
Samantha Holt:And I mean, we talk about hubris a lot, and we've already covered that. But I feel like there's this complex and I inherently did he plan on doing something more sinister with these kids? I think that's a question that we're kind of circling here versus is he just seeing what he can do with his technology and how far he can push it. And those that he's employing are under the guise of we're helping humanity, and he's just trying to test the limits of his own intelligence and his own technology to see how far he can push things. And he doesn't care about the side effects, the consequences of just trying stuff for the sake of trying stuff.
Samantha Holt:We've seen plenty of billionaires try and do things just for the sake of doing it just to see if they could. Trillionaire. And I feel like.
Alfredo Brown:Get it
Samantha Holt:right. He's a trillionaire. So he's just got everything at his disposal. Everyone keeps calling him this boy genius. Boy genius.
Samantha Holt:His name is boy cavalier, but there is a very juvenile mindset of having no, like retribution for your consequences, no idea that there's bad things that can happen. And his money puts him above that he feels. So he doesn't ever have to be held accountable for any of these things. So I don't necessarily think that it could end up being a solve of he is just this purely evil. He is just this purely juvenile in his own hubris of what he's capable of doing.
Samantha Holt:And we already saw, like, there's plenty of things that these hybrids can do that he wasn't even aware that they could do. Did we build that in? I don't even know that we did that. And it's just all of these things being consequences of his actions because he just wants to be a technology explorer and see how far he can push the boundaries just to see what he can do.
Alfredo Brown:This is gonna be my third Jurassic Park reference. Your scientists were so concerned with what they could do. They didn't ask themselves, yeah, if they should.
Samantha Holt:If if they should.
Alfredo Brown:And and I think that's where we're at. Like, this is a guy who is so entrenched in his own hubris. He named his fucking company Prodigy.
Jagger May:Yep. He'd be calling himself boy cavalier.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Boy cavalier.
Jagger May:Yeah. I've struggled with that the entire time. I'm like, this a
Matthew Kopfhamer:self name nickname? Like, he gave that shit
Alfredo Brown:to himself. Like Vin Diesel.
Jagger May:Yeah. We see
Alfredo Brown:you, Mark Sinclair. We see you, Mark Sinclair.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I I I wanna go back to the whole, like, children's minds are basically elastic enough for this procedure. So I wonder obviously, we don't see it moving forward in the Alien franchise. But if they were to make this the the new technology, the preeminent technology, would it be something that, like, at birth, they're trading consciousness into a synth body? Is it I wonder if there's a cutoff age where they have to be like, you have to integrate over by this time.
Alfredo Brown:Well, let's let's talk about this is extremely dark, and you guys can give me like, we can just pass over it. The thing we talked about prior to this about, like, the actual themes behind alien itself, The R word.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Right. Like, think. Yeah. Like, I think that there is something even beyond that where we're looking at when you do deal with someone that, you know, is I'm I'm trying to dance around it as best as I can here. Nonconsensual with children.
Alfredo Brown:Right? Yeah. There's an idea that their minds are easier to manipulate. And that's where I think this might play. That's why I'm saying, like, whether boy Cavalier is doing it on purpose or not, like, I think that's where the sinister nature of it all comes into play.
Alfredo Brown:And, Jag, you said something that actually made me start to, like, double think all of this is, like, what if he is a hybrid himself? And there he's, like, not first reported.
Jagger May:Yeah. It's, Peter Pan theme. I guess that old lady's Wendy. I get whatever. Yeah.
Jagger May:Or not Wendy.
Alfredo Brown:What what if his actual his actual government name was Peter?
Jagger May:That wouldn't surprise me. And then you wanna go by boy cavalier, like, go buy your your Xbox Live handle, I guess.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Boy cavalier four twenty sixty nine. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. So with with all this in mind, there's obviously, like, there's so many things going on in the show of just two episodes. Is there a storyline or plotline that you guys find yourself to be most invested in here? Is the corporate corporate espionage of it all? Is it the alien canon of it all?
Alfredo Brown:Is it the actual xenomorphin creatures themselves? Is it the hybrid? So what is it for you guys? Koff, I'll start with you. What is it for you guys that you're, like,
Matthew Kopfhamer:loving fascinated on? By Morrow. I wanna know more about him. I wanna know what his deal is. Is he actually just a cyborg?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Is he is a a synth? Like, he mentions when he tie he zip ties those two guys, GuyTalk, r I p, to the poll, and he's like, where is where is Boy Cavalier? So is he on a mission to go assassinate Boy Cavalier? Is he trying to get the alien and save like, what is happening with that? So that to me is the most fascinating part of the show so far.
Alfredo Brown:Sam, what about you?
Samantha Holt:I think it's a combo for me. First and foremost, I am just so excited to learn more and see more of the specimens that this ship has already gotten. We've seen several. There's plenty of boxes and containers on this ship that are just showing foggy little tentacles and different things. What else is there on this ship?
Samantha Holt:What else are we gonna be privy to? Super excited for just building the world. The other part that I'm excited about that I immediately jumped on IMDb to go to the actors' pages to see how many episodes that they're in was I wanted to see I wanna and I'm curious to see how this story builds from this Peter Pan background of Wendy with her brother. And she's trying to save him. At the beginning of the show, she's the one in danger of dying because of her illness, but it feels like she's gonna be trying to save him continuously because he is just human.
Samantha Holt:She is a hybrid, and she has just idolized this relationship with her brothers that she's never gotten to have or continue, and she wants to bring that back. So I'm really curious to see how the their relationship continues to go through as the series goes. Because, obviously, everything is gonna be in their way to keep killing off this brother. Because anytime he just looks down at a pod, I'm like, he is gonna end up dead this next episode. But I already looked.
Samantha Holt:He's the actor's listed for seven episodes. So
Jagger May:thanks. Cheating. Yes. Sam. That's cheating.
Jagger May:Sam.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Hi. Could also be
Jagger May:flashbacks, Sam.
Alfredo Brown:That's a
Samantha Holt:spoiler show. This is a spoiler show. This is a safe space for
Alfredo Brown:me.
Jagger May:I respect Sam because I also live in INDB. It's it's like discover you speak more and more of my language today. I think for me, it's always ghost in the shell story. Like, I'm just fascinated because we That's
Alfredo Brown:two, Jagger.
Jagger May:Okay. That's two so far. Okay. Well, we're wrapping it up.
Alfredo Brown:So We're we're gonna keep what's the number for this whole series? What's what's where are we gonna put the line at?
Jagger May:If it's two per episode and we we extrapolate that data
Alfredo Brown:It's rough.
Jagger May:It's like 14. I'm just I'm just saying I'm curious to see how the cyborgs and hybrids either become get worked into this synth, like software or whatever or get phased out because we obviously know that that Weyland Yutani wins. So this seems to be, it seems to be more and more as as we under hang on. As we understand how corporations work, that it is a a Russian doll, you know, where they keep eating each other. So how does this work into it, and how does that plot line follow?
Jagger May:It's a little bit what Sam said. It's like, how long is she gonna keep this childlike humanity in here with her brother, I guess, where I'm at? Like, where Sam likes the light, I'm always curious about curious about the the the dark spots.
Samantha Holt:So
Matthew Kopfhamer:I know we can't definitively say that Weyland Utah is the only one that wins because we've only seen them in the future movies. Just because the other companies aren't referenced in the other movies doesn't mean they're not around. New canon going forward could include them. Just point of clarification.
Samantha Holt:True. Sure.
Alfredo Brown:Just it just feels weird that they are never mentioned. I'm still leaning into, like, the the this is where Weyland Yutani establishes its dominance over every other
Jagger May:We are Groot.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. And becomes a monopoly of sorts. Like, we see that later, which, by the way, I I thought it was a cool callback where, her brother Joe, like, can't get off his work order. And it felt very similar to Romulus when Yeah. Our our main character there is trying to leave and they can't.
Alfredo Brown:And we appreciate you, though. The company cares about you. Like, it feels like we're getting closer and closer to that. I don't have anything else to add there. I think you guys did a great job looking at each of these storylines.
Alfredo Brown:I'm kind of equally invested in all of them. Think the one where I do have the most curiosity though is with Mauro and how we got to this point from The US CSS Maginot. Like, what the hell happened there? Because I think that's just where my curiosity remains piqued. Guys, this was a great episode.
Alfredo Brown:We are gonna be back again next week to do this again. Every Wednesday, we're gonna be here talking about alien Earth. Sam's gonna bring her cool plushie toy. So if you wanna catch these episodes earlier, they're always gonna be on YouTube on Wednesday. On the podcast version, they will be up Thursday morning.
Alfredo Brown:So if you wanna get there a little bit quicker, a little more exclusive, make sure you head on over to YouTube and subscribe over there. As always, wanna thank everybody for watching or listening all the way through for myself, for Jag, for Sam, for cough, and for the Xenomorph. I'll see you next time. Adios.