We've got Synth communicating with xenomorphs, terrifying creatures taking over sheep, and some of the biggest questions and theories for Alien Earth episode four on an all new episode of Unbinged starting now. Welcome to Unbinge, the podcast where we break down the shows you love to binge. I'm your host Alfredo Brown. Join as always, I got Jagger May, Samantha Holt, Matt Kaufamer, and today we've got a brand new format for you guys. So here is how the show works.
Alfredo Brown:We are going to break down the biggest questions from Alien Earth episode four with our theories while you let us know what you think in the comments down below for those of you watching on YouTube. And then for each show, we're gonna decide what we call the lore master amongst us who will be the designated expert who's going to decide which co hosts have the best takes throughout the show, declaring them the winner by the end. Today's lore master is Samantha Holt, our creature expert. So, Sam, you're gonna be our lore master as we jump into this. But before we do, I just wanna let everybody know you got a bunch of ways that you can enjoy this show.
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Alfredo Brown:So many great things. Guys, let's hop into the show. But first, we need the spoiler warning.
Jagger May:This is your one warning that we are about to spoil alien earth. So if you're gonna complain in the comments, you're just boosting engagement.
Alfredo Brown:Sam, you are the lore master for today's show. Give us
Samantha Holt:the first word. Alright. I feel like there's a lot of buildup in this episode. And the first what my big question is, what's the first domino to fall? Is it gonna be Kirsch who's clearly tired of boy Cavalier and all of his shit?
Samantha Holt:Also being privy to slightly wanting to look to steal a xenomorph? Is it going to be slightly successfully getting Joe, Wendy's brother, impregnated by an alien, or is it gonna be Nibs crashing out who clearly is going through a mental breakdown? The other one that is the last one and really fun one that might happen first is the alien eyeball going inside the sheep. Is that one gonna be the next one to escape and jump into a human or possibly synthetic body?
Alfredo Brown:Oh, brother.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. It's a lot. What is the first domino to fall? There's a lot.
Jagger May:Like, what what what if a domino is not even the metaphor? Like, to me, it's just adding Mentos into Diet Coke. It's just all it's all, it's all gonna fucking explode.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. It's a powder keg, and every single match is lit. And the question is which threat is the shortest? So what's likely going to happen first?
Jagger May:My bet is Kersh because he sees everything that's happening. He is smart, and I think he's gonna let Morrow, or he's gonna let the brother get pregnant because I brought this up last episode that curse doesn't value humanity, but I think he is starting to value the other sense because they are no longer flesh and blood and whatnot, and they can download fucking zoology directly to their brain. And he's gonna use, old boy over there as bait. And, of course, we're gonna have xenomorphs loose. We already have one loose that I think is just kind of insanity at this point that right now and Coffee Caught talked about this preshow.
Jagger May:Kirsch is kinda like a conductor to, like, the worst fucking symphony ever right now. Think
Matthew Kopfhamer:Murder Symphony. Yeah. Honestly, like, I don't think I don't think we can point to one thing going wrong. I think it's gonna be, like you said, Jack, everything going wrong at once. And as soon as the first, going back to the metaphor, that that first domino falls, it's everything's gonna explode.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And you see it in the hubris that boy cavalier has in that scene with the eyeball monster where he he's, he wants it to focus on him. So he the the eyeball monster can know that he's the one in charge. And I think that's gonna be his downfall at the the end is he's gonna think he's smarter than everyone even though he has literally surrounded himself with synthetics that can be smarter than him in an instant by downloading the right books and then creatures that have no value for his humanity or intellect, and they're just gonna tear him apart. So we're literally building a powder keg inside of, like, a pressure chamber. So this is this is gonna go bananas in these these last few episodes.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. So, Jack, you think it's Mauro Kirsch, that kind of grouping there. Koff, you kinda seem I don't think it's gonna be a couple of different things. Like, it's gonna be the creatures?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. I think it's gonna be a combination of maybe the xenomorph and the eyeball and maybe Nibs and Curly doing something.
Alfredo Brown:I think it's going to be our synthetic kids here. I think it's gonna be they're they're basically unionizing right now. Like, yeah, we do wanna see our parents. I'd like you could only hold these these since back for so long before they start not only asking questions, but getting pissed off the way Nibs was. And, like, that's where I think all of a sudden, we're gonna have a lot of fighting back, a lot of kinda changing the rules here in the compound, and all it takes is just one pissed off synth to go and hit the wrong button, and we got creatures everywhere.
Alfredo Brown:So, yeah, I think it's actually gonna be the synths that end up being the first domino to fall and changing the whole structure of the dynamic there at the compound.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Kids are a mutant.
Jagger May:Plot device. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You see a mutant Absolutely. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. That is that not the best pirate metaphor here in this Neverland? Absolutely.
Samantha Holt:Brings it
Matthew Kopfhamer:back to feel like pirates are Indians. They're the pirates. They're gonna meet me against boy cavalier, Captain Hook.
Jagger May:Yep. Yeah. And and Kersh has already started. He's like, are we friends? Let let
Alfredo Brown:me, think.
Jagger May:Someone is in your room, and they're like, why is there three monkeys here? I'm like, fuck. A metaphor? Alright. When's when's the when's the resolution start?
Jagger May:I'm gonna
Alfredo Brown:head out now.
Jagger May:God. Amazing.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. So next biggest question here that we have from this episode. Why is Wendy able to communicate with the xenomorphs? Like, what makes her so special? And we we see here in the show that she's the only one out of the hybrids, and I keep calling them synths.
Alfredo Brown:They're the hybrids that can do it. And I think there was a kind of a throwaway line, and we've said this before. Noah Holly doesn't do things by mistake. There was a throwaway line that she's the oldest. I don't think they literally mean that as a child, she was the oldest.
Alfredo Brown:She was the first one created. And I do wonder with their ability to continuously get smarter is do they have this almost ability to evolve a little bit and and continue to grow and expand and learn where since she's just the first one to be able to speak to the xenomorphs here. Like, what if all of these synths are able to start hearing the xenomorphs and the other creatures and be able to communicate with them? That's why I think they could be the first domino to fall, and I think that there's just there there's so much that could be going on here with them. Koff, what do think?
Matthew Kopfhamer:So it's definitely interesting. I don't I don't know if I agree, though. I don't think it's an ability that all of hybrids will be able to share because there's a point in the episode where Wendy goes, they picked me. They're talking to me. So I think it's more about, for whatever reason, she's the one that they sensed something with and and either it was an accidental pickup and now they're focusing on on communicating with her, but I don't think it's gonna be an ability we're gonna see throughout the rest of the hybrids.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I think for whatever reason, Wendy is special, and she is tapped into that, whether it's a hive mind or a shared consciousness or whatever goes on in the Xenomorph's head. Somehow, she was able to tap into that inadvertently, and now she has been chosen to be special.
Alfredo Brown:Would would that sort of be re I mean, I know that they've retconned some things from previous lore, but wouldn't that kinda be, like, rewriting it a little bit to put it into a hive mind where the xenomorphs are consciously choosing a character to communicate with. Like, it to me, that felt more like a child going, I'm special. It picked me. Like, when you take
Jagger May:them to the adoption center
Alfredo Brown:for a puppy and the puppy runs up to them first. Like, that's what it felt more like to me.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's definitely possible. I just I read it a different way. I I think it was more of a just the way they like you said, Noah Howley doesn't do things on by accident, and it feels like a throwaway line, but I think it's more important than we probably think it is about her being chosen.
Alfredo Brown:Jack, what do what do you think here? Wendy, being able why is she able to communicate with the xenomorphs? Is she special? Was she chosen? What's going on?
Jagger May:I would have a hard time if it was because she was special. And if it was because she was special, I would hope they would show in her creation where something was different. And that's something that they intentionally laid because right now, and this is me being picky, it it just seems like plot convenience at this point. Like, if it's because she's advanced and she's, like, quote, unquote, older as in been in the synth longer, I can accept that. Because, like, is the only only thing where I even remotely dislike is this whole, like, I vibe and and I'm I'm shining with this alien thing.
Jagger May:Because, in my opinion, if you can pick up a language and you can hear it because you have special hearing, why doesn't everyone else have special hearing? You're making machines, which is is very exact. It just doesn't that doesn't make sense to me. And at this point, is this something that we can expect from all the rest of them to eventually evolve? And that kinda leads right into what you were saying, Alfredo, about, the sense being the dominoes to fall.
Jagger May:What if, like, all of a sudden, slightly, he's already have hearing Moro in his head. He starts hearing fucking clicks and and whistles and shit too. He's just gonna crash out. You know? Same thing with Nibs.
Alfredo Brown:Loremaster?
Samantha Holt:I actually think it's a little bit of a combination of both of what you just said in terms of why she can communicate with the Xenomorphs. We started off this series with watching her watch her brother through technology. And she was engaging with it in a way that surprised all of the scientists as she was going through these things. I think what we're kind of missing, but going gonna go back to is that the technology and the wavelengths as they were adjusting it in this episode so that she could hear to get her audio back on is that level of tech with where you can hear super low, low frequencies. And I think she dialed into different frequencies while going through the tech to go and continue to watch her brother.
Samantha Holt:I think it made her advance as these computers are clearly doing. These hybrids are clearly advancing. Every time they learn something, they dial in, they download. I think while she was in the system, she downloaded the tech as she was going through it and is now able to pick up frequencies at a different level. And that's why she's special in the sense that the other since other the other hybrids haven't gotten to do that and engage with technology the same way that she has simply through the pursuit of trying to watch and interact with her brother.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Okay. So maybe it's a learned thing that the other hybrids just haven't learned yet. Okay. That can
Samantha Holt:make sense. Yeah. I think they just haven't tuned into it yet.
Alfredo Brown:I almost start to look at it this way with her being sort of the first child here of boy Cavalier. It's kinda like what they say with, like, the first kid you have where you break a couple eggs. Like, you make the most mistakes with them, but they are also end up being most likely to take care of themselves. Right? And that feels like with this being a hybrid, she's gained abilities and gained skills because they've done so much of this testing and, like, what can you do?
Alfredo Brown:And they're just gonna be learning more about her consistently over and over and over where it's gonna seem like she's special or she's magic or they can't explain it when in reality, I think her her I I don't know what her being, I guess, whatever it is, like, is kind of evolving in a way. Alright. Let's, let's talk about another character in here, which I wanna get this correct. Kirsch is a synth. Correct?
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Not a hybrid. Yes.
Samantha Holt:Kirsch
Alfredo Brown:is a synth. And right now, he's kinda doing something where he is sitting back, watching it play out. My dog's voyeur, for sure, just likes watching those screens. Jag, you're asking the question, how and why will Kersh betray Prodigy? It's not if, but how and why.
Jagger May:Yeah. Or when. Especially the scene where they're in there dealing with Wendy, and then boy Cavaller comes in swinging his little Tic Tac Dick and just like, he's like, just assume that I'm one step ahead of you. You know? I I I just related with curse so much because you could just hear it in his little his from his little robot ancestors just there's just one too many whips coming on that back, and he's just like, you know what, dog?
Jagger May:Fuck you. Like, he's literally trying to say, I can process smarter than a computer. And and and at what point when you've created this little bubble where he's just like, like, you're just living in my world. Does he not realize? And, actually, you nailed it, Alfredo.
Jagger May:Like, to keep with the the pirate analogy, when are you gonna see that mutiny? Moreover, I think I would kill him if he quoted Peter Pan one more time. You're a grown man, and you call yourself boy. Get a new fucking book, my guy. What was he recording
Alfredo Brown:a podcast or something late at night or reading a audiobook to the kids?
Matthew Kopfhamer:He reads them a bedtime story every night.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. That's fucked.
Jagger May:It's it's It's really fucked. It's super weird, man. He makes millennials look good about being obsessed with Harry Potter for this point. I'm I'm a millennial. I'm making this joke.
Jagger May:We probably should get a new book. But, homie, it's like, you you watches some Disney shit? Like, literal Disney shit. It's like, come on, my god. Oh.
Alfredo Brown:So the way I'm looking at it here with Kersh, man, is like it's essentially I'm kind of piggybacking off of what you said here, Jag, is Kirsch as a a synth. Like, he is kinda like David. They are meant to be just ever curious, right, and ever learning. And that's something that we saw with David and and Prometheus and and and the movies prior to this. And I almost liken it to a little bit like Brainiac from Superman, where it's just like he just wants to know more.
Alfredo Brown:And right now, the way boy cavalier sort of just uses Kirsch as his Robin, like, he's just you're kinda my bitch. Go and do things for me. He's he's stunted. Any type of curiosity or learning, and I think this is one of those times where we might actually see Kirsch where he's gonna do the scientific thing. He's I don't think he's going to actively betray Prodigy.
Alfredo Brown:I think he's just gonna watch and let it all happen in the name of science and be like, oh, what does happen if all of these synths all these hybrids that were created turn on Boy Cavalier? That could be fun. Let's test out this hypothesis.
Jagger May:It's like when Yeah. Boy Cavalier goes up to the eggs, kind of. Kirsch sits there and watches it up until the last second. He's just like, you're probably going to die. Is the
Alfredo Brown:of a helicopter parent. He's whatever the opposite would be. Like, just go light yourself on fire, break your arm, whatever. Don't Boys
Jagger May:will be boys. You gotta go get some trauma to be a person.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He's yeah. He was the he's the observer in this observation episode. But do you think he'll try to because he obviously knows what's happening with Slightly. He can hear everything that's going on. He hears those conversations.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Do you think he's gonna try to nudge him towards picking Boy as the host instead of Joe? And that's how he gets his revenge on Boy Cavalier is like, I couldn't stop slightly from impregnating you with this chest burster. Oh, no. You're gonna die. And then just lets it happen.
Jagger May:My argument is that's too direct. And what I've learned, if they keep on the theme here, a lot of it is you're playing jazz, and it's taking opportunity when it happens. I genuinely think that eyeball is gonna get Boyd Cavallari. The way he's just, like, got, like, a a boner watching it kill Sean the sheep, and then he just like me. Like, he's like he's all, like, like, hitting his chest saying I'm him because he just fucking sat behind glass flexing on the eyeball.
Jagger May:And then Kirsch is the real one that's over there just like, this is a highly intelligent creature that's already problem solving. And then homies still just, like, drooling. I was like, are you really two steps ahead, my guy? Or are you sitting here drinking your own Kool Aid?
Matthew Kopfhamer:If he was two steps ahead, he would ship those things back to Yutani and let them deal with the nonsense instead of keeping it in your secret lab. Like, what
Jagger May:the leaving a xenomorph in fucking glass. Like like, come on now. Like, this is some of the there's a little bit of plot convenience that I'm having some trouble with that I'm having to really ignore. Like, you're gonna put this fucking lung with the z you know what it is. It's no longer what it is hypothetically, and you're just like, yeah.
Jagger May:We'll put it in glass and kinda see what happens. Do
Matthew Kopfhamer:they know it's a xenomorph or they only suspect? Because I think they I think they don't know that this well, they know what a xenomorph is, but they do know what the origin was? Because that's alright. Well, I I just I don't know.
Jagger May:I mean, I guess it's not confirmed, Kav. I think
Alfredo Brown:you're not. I think they knew exactly what they were doing when they took that little xenomorph tadpole and put it in a lung. Anyways, Loremaster, Sam, what do you think?
Samantha Holt:I I love that everyone is just circling around in terms of the take on this one because clearly there's plenty of options for how and why Kersh is gonna betray prodigy. It's just when. And I think that he's a synthetic, and he's obviously so much smarter than boy Cavalier is ever gonna give him credit for. I feel like the way that he is going to betray him is going to be to rub that genius in his face and to prove him in a point that he is not the smartest one in the room on the island or out there. So I think I could be a little bit of everything, but I think the method in which he's going to betray Prodigy is going to hit towards Boy Cavalier's ego and on infringe on his intelligence.
Alfredo Brown:I like Sam as loremaster. You just kinda drop your lady dick on the table and tell us, like, you're all circling around it. That's cute.
Jagger May:Cool. She just boy cavalier ed us. We just got girl cavalier ed right here. You're welcome. That's what
Samantha Holt:I bring.
Jagger May:Just assume I'm one step ahead of you, boys.
Samantha Holt:You sampled. Emasculating men's for thirty seven years.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. We we kinda touched this a little bit, but then the question here, cough, you asked this question. What are the implication because of the implications, guys. What are the implications of a xenomorph growing in a not just in a lung because they grow inside of people all the time, but inside of a a still living person's lung. Cough?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. This this intrigues me. I mean, is this gonna are we gonna see a behavioral difference in the xenomorph if it interacts with Joe in the future, which I think it will? I mean, are we gonna see almost like a recognition? It'd be like, we share DNA.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You're my father. And it's gonna, like, somehow protect him or keep him right? From being I mean, we kinda see that in later alien movies. Like, I think alien resurrection does this with the Ripley clone in her weird child xenomorph baby thing. That movie's terrible.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But are we gonna see some sort of, like, tenderness, or is it gonna just be typical, you're human, I'm xenomorph, you're getting ripped apart?
Jagger May:I think it has to be that if they wanna stay on brand. Because, like, I just I like when aliens the aliens are part of the environment. I'm okay with the evolution. Like, obviously, if you're gonna be born from, like, a dog, you're gonna have different effects on that. But Exactly.
Jagger May:But them being part of the environment and, like, now then whatever this is, to me, that's a little bit jumping the shark. So I just hope that, hey. I'm I'm I'm born. I'm ready to fuck shit up. That's what I want on my alien.
Jagger May:It's just like they don't really think about anything. They're just like, hey, you're scared and moving. I'm gonna fucking get that ass. And that's what happens. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:I I don't I don't want my alien to, like, to care. I don't want it to care. I I I I like that this show and Noah Hawley is making us care about the creatures. It's making us care about the alien.
Jagger May:Don't give a fuck about them at all. I don't want him to die.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I don't know. I like Cobra chestburster. He was cute.
Alfredo Brown:No. But I what I'm what I'm saying is, like, I think what what what I my vibe from this show has been that some of the characters that I have had the most empathy for have been the non humans. Whether that's creatures, xenomorphs, synths, androids, hybrids. Like, I I don't really care about the humans. I really don't.
Alfredo Brown:And to me, like, they can all fucking die. Like, watching that sheep get slaughtered was, like, that was rough.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, sad.
Alfredo Brown:That was really rough. Like, I kinda just want the xenomorph to keep being the xenomorph. If that little baby grows up and looks at Joe and is just kind of like, oh, dad. Yeah. Papa.
Alfredo Brown:Papa. What's what's the least what's the least cool thing that could happen from this? It's like, is that the the xenomorph actually speaks?
Samantha Holt:Yeah. That would be the least cool. Yes.
Alfredo Brown:That would be the least cool. That would add an alien right there.
Jagger May:I'm not gonna lie.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Especially if he speaks out
Jagger May:a little bit. Alien, I I thought was I I thought was plot convenience a little bit. I'm like, why don't you just snap this fucking you
Matthew Kopfhamer:know? The Cobra thing? Because it's full of acid. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Have you guys seen the memes, by the way? That it's just like the the ending of Spaceballs? The little Oh, where it does a dancing tap. Amazing.
Jagger May:Like, it was weird. She was like
Alfredo Brown:this kinda snake charmer looking thing there as she's talking to it. I I don't want that. I don't want that for like, I I don't need the xenomorphs to be making relationships with Hey, little baby. Gotta let me whisper in your ear. So you you don't want you don't
Matthew Kopfhamer:want Wendy to be
Jagger May:oh god. You don't
Matthew Kopfhamer:want want Wendy to be a synthetic queen? A synth queen?
Samantha Holt:No. Slay. No.
Jagger May:No. I really don't want that at all.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. Lore master, your thoughts
Samantha Holt:on this? I think tying a bow on it, I think I'm actually curious the opposite. I don't think that just because the xenomorph grew inside Joe's lung, it's going to have an affinity for him. I actually think this could be an interesting level of protection because Joe has an artificial lung. And we are aware that when humans are near the eggs, they sense humanity and then open up.
Samantha Holt:But don't do that around synthetics, and it doesn't seem to be doing it around the cyborg. So is it gonna detect the technology inside Joe? And when slightly tries to go and impregnate him, will the egg not wake up? I think that's more likely to happen in terms of technology having a play in with the aliens than anything else.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So basically, you're saying that
Jagger May:pacemaker. I was
Matthew Kopfhamer:just saying pacemaker. Yeah.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Was I gonna say, all we need to do
Matthew Kopfhamer:to defeat the xenomorphs, is everybody get a pacemaker and you're fine?
Samantha Holt:Just have a whole
Jagger May:bunch stuff you're
Samantha Holt:looking for is a they're looking for something to
Alfredo Brown:A stable organic host.
Samantha Holt:A stable organic organic host to be a parasite on. And detecting something like that, could it I'm not saying it's going to, but could that be a level of protection for Joe in that scenario and for humans in terms of how to avoid being Interesting.
Alfredo Brown:It it plays first of all, Sam, you crushed that. I I think it plays really well into the idea of the imperfections of humanity and how it actually could be the one that's saving people in this while the exact opposite, the dichotomy of it is that boy Cavalier is trying to create these perfect humans. Yeah. Like, damn.
Jagger May:Sam's Darwinism too. That that that that goes into how predator and brain works. That because, like, literally, xenomorph be like, man, you little weak ass nigga. I'm not gonna get you pregnant. Get out of here.
Alfredo Brown:I'm not gonna get you
Samantha Holt:I'm gonna get you pregnant.
Alfredo Brown:You're not worth my seed.
Samantha Holt:Don't take seed.
Jagger May:That was gross. Don't do that. Don't. No.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That's better than the alternative. Sam,
Alfredo Brown:Loremaster, your question. You are our creature design expert. You love creatures. Do you have your Xenomorph with you right now? I do.
Alfredo Brown:You might die. Yay. Let's hear it. Let's get a little ASMR.
Jagger May:There you go. Tongue punching for our audio users.
Alfredo Brown:Tongue punching right there. Tongue punch the mic box.
Samantha Holt:Another phrase to not
Jagger May:use in
Samantha Holt:the show ever again. Tongue punch.
Alfredo Brown:Sam, you're asking the question, which creature poses the biggest threat to escape next? Because we saw some some shit go down in this one.
Samantha Holt:There's so many more interactions with the other aliens at hand that are captured, and that is my next biggest concern. Which of the other aliens is going to escape next? We obviously just saw the eyeball alien go into the sheep, do the really creepy standing on hind legs that is gonna haunt cough streams. And then the very clear interaction with boy cavalier with Kirsch for this alien specifically. But we haven't had this level of in-depth just them looking and focusing on a different alien yet.
Samantha Holt:This is the second alien we're getting that. We still have another very deep interaction we need to get into with the blood bugs, with the big orchid flower. We have a lot more to go into in terms of these aliens. So I'm curious if the next episode we're gonna get another in-depth look at one of the other creatures. And are we gonna see one of them now escape?
Samantha Holt:But really my big thing is which one escapes next? Which one poses the biggest threat? I feel like this eyeball alien could end up being the low key MVP of being, like, next one to escape. Because clearly the end of the episode is an alien is out of the glass, so that's gonna need to be captured.
Alfredo Brown:Yep. Tag?
Jagger May:I'm all in on Eyeball Jones and Sean the sheep. I think that's the next one that's gonna happen, and my money's on Boy Cavalier. And my only curiosity about that alien, does it absorb some of the intelligence from what it takes? Because if it takes over, boy Cavalier, it's like, cool. I've got, you know, king of the castle king of the castle.
Jagger May:That's what I Damn it. So I have
Alfredo Brown:a chair, king of the castle.
Jagger May:Think it'll keep reading
Matthew Kopfhamer:Peter Pan?
Alfredo Brown:The Ford.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Do you think it'll keep reading Peter Pan, though, once it takes over, boy? Hopefully. That's a real question.
Jagger May:Apparently, he didn't read Asimov close enough, but he can read the fuck out of Peter Pan. So, hopefully, he'll read something else. I don't know. Maybe fourth wing. Well, I couldn't see.
Jagger May:The Imperium trilogy. Smut books. It's actually a cycle with five books. So
Alfredo Brown:Is that worse or better than Peter Pan? Reading the Smut books to your synthetic hybrid children?
Jagger May:Definitely the smut books. Because at least I know that boy Cavalier knows what intimacy is. It's some fucking thing. Even if it's toxic, it's fucking.
Alfredo Brown:Cough for you.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Honestly, I think we're gonna get a surprise from one of the there's like a fifth a fifth creature that we really haven't gotten much info about and they're some sort of like flying bug type and seemingly in like a swarm or a hive. And I think that might be like the surprise escape because there's more than one of them. Whereas the xenomorph, I think is a singular creature right now, except for the eggs. And we have the singular eyeball Jones monster. We've got two of the blood bugs.
Matthew Kopfhamer:We have one of the clip Bartons, and then we have a whole swarm of these other fucking things. So I think those are going to be the surprise escapees because they're going to forget about them somehow. And then they're going to come out of containment and you have a whole swarm of shit coming out. So I think we're going to get a surprise next episode. I think the eyeball monster might be a red herring because everyone is focused on it.
Jagger May:Like
Alfredo Brown:that. See, for me, I'm wondering, because I do think it's the eyeball monster. It's eyeball Jones getting out. And I was gonna say that I do think boy cavalier is its target. Because you saw how it is just, like, watching and learning and observing, very similar to Kirsch.
Alfredo Brown:And standing almost wonder menacingly.
Jagger May:I almost
Alfredo Brown:wonder if it looks at something like Kirsch and says that thing is similar to me and that it is highly intelligent, but also indestructible. Like, I wonder how how perceptive this creature is because maybe it makes more sense for it to take over, a hybrid like like Nibs. Like, you don't think Nibs might maybe goes a little crazy and starts, like, hanging out in the creature room, talking to creatures, getting a little weird. Like, I I don't know. She might see it as her kinda, like, intertwining with another creature.
Alfredo Brown:It's like, there there's a lot of weird shit, a lot of weird ways this could go. But, yeah, eyeball definitely feels like the one that's most likely to get out. And I I after this episode, feels absolutely most dangerous out of all of them, even the xenomorph.
Jagger May:Yeah. I'm just curious too if last point. I'm sorry. Yeah. He tried to attack Nibs.
Jagger May:So, like, how much of it is just predatory, which is like, oh, there's an eye. Like, just
Alfredo Brown:trying to
Jagger May:snatch it. You know? Mhmm. And how much of it is like like, how intelligent is it is what I'm curious about, you know, at that point.
Alfredo Brown:Like, is it picking its targets, or is it just, like, doing it instinctually on, like, you're nearby?
Jagger May:Exactly. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Because it might be a shark type thing where it's like a shark takes a bite out of curiosity and then it sweeps off. So maybe that's what it was doing to nibs or it was trying to see if it could attach to her, and then when it couldn't, it went away.
Alfredo Brown:Guys, let's get into the, morality question that has been sort of plaguing this show and and this episode more than ever, which is, are these children in synthetic bodies, or are these synthetics with the consciousness of a child? Because we we're seeing the relationship with and I'm gonna instead of calling her Wendy, I'm gonna say Marcy and her brother Joe still. And, like, how she still very much is aware of things she still has. Even though they've said that these these, hybrids will not have emotions, she still very much has emotions for her brother, and we're seeing these other hybrids have emotions as well. I still think that I lean towards these being kids in synthetic bodies, and that it wasn't just a throwaway line from the two doctors that are saying, hey.
Alfredo Brown:Worst case scenario, we killed six kids. Best case scenario, we put six kids in AI bodies. Like, to me, these are still very much children, and they kind of need to be treated as such. What do you guys think? Kov?
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I think so I think this question kinda leads to a bigger question. Like, what do we determine consciousness as? Right? Is it having the memories of the person you were before you transferred bodies? Is it having emotions and and familiarity with people from your past life?
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I think that's gonna be the the moral quandary for the rest of this season is do we think that these hybrids are because we've been told they're not humans anymore. So just because they have human consciousness or seemingly human consciousness, but a synthetic body, does that still make them human in aspect or are they completely different now in their, their own category because of having this human like consciousness in a synthetic hybrid body. So I think by the end of the season, they should determine for us, is this a new thing completely or are they still people just in a robot body? I Cause mean, that kinda goes back to Jagger's point from last episode about Ghost of the Shell because that was one of the themes in that in that property too. So
Alfredo Brown:Dollar in the anime jar
Jagger May:still in my lens.
Alfredo Brown:I I actually as you were talking, Koff, like, I just thought of something too is I think we're even asking the wrong question. I don't even think it's a morality question. I think it's more of a rights question. I don't literally mean human rights. I mean, it's more about, like, the way Prodigy and Boy Cavalier and it was set up here is, like, well, we created you.
Alfredo Brown:We own you regardless of what you are because we're seeing this too with with her brother, with Joe. Hey. You've got this synthetic lung. We also took your lung without your consent, and now we kinda own you too. Like, if not, good luck paying that off, buddy.
Alfredo Brown:Like, there it feels very much like Prodigy and Boy Cavalier. Like, it's not even a morality issue. It's just like we own everything. People sense all of it.
Jagger May:I agree a 100% because it's just like like Koff was stealing my line about, like, this question has been answered from, like, even if you haven't watched Ghost in the Shell, it's Blade Runner. And while it's called a ghost, it's like, that's your spirit. It's what makes you you. And once you and the big thing that covers this is individuality. Because a lot of times when you have machines, that's something that can be copied.
Jagger May:Whereas your experiences, how like, say, like, NIBS is a perfect example of trauma. How things affect you are what make you you. So with that being said, it's like they are clearly kids in synthetic bodies at that point. And now, well, I will say they will involve into something different. But as of right now, there's still kids because we're already seeing now with, I guess now his name's Isaac, how he's starting to evolve.
Jagger May:The same thing with Curly where he's just like, Hey, I am this now and I want to learn and lean into this. And he's just growing up faster, whereas like Slightly in in Smee, they're just kinda there for a vibe. They're like, glad I'm not dead. You know?
Alfredo Brown:Smee's at summer camp. Yeah. Having the time of his life.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Tastes like chocolate. Alright.
Alfredo Brown:Loremaster, where you at?
Samantha Holt:I'm definitely on the side that these are kids in synthetic bodies, and I think you all bring up great points in terms of what is the real question. And it's the morality is in ownership. And I feel like there was a moment with the group, you know, when Slightly comes back and says, we should have our families. We should have these things with us. And they're all kind of chiming in an agreement, but then they all have differences.
Samantha Holt:I do feel like there's going to be a sense of entitlement to their selves, to their own person that's within them. And I think that's gonna end up also being something that pushes them to something we talked about a little bit earlier in terms of, you know, them overtaking, overthrowing, and going to battle with the pirates being boy cavalier and the scientists and trying to fight for their own freedom to be themselves and to go and live their lives the way that they want to live them. Because just because they migrated them into a robotic body, they are still people. They identify as people. So I think that's gonna also kind of continue to go and be a thread through the rest of the season.
Samantha Holt:And honestly, it's one of the things that I'm really loving the most about this show is it's constantly asking this question about what it is to be human at in a world that keeps evolving technologically.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Boy, do I have to be free a machine. Just
Alfredo Brown:just say it, Jack.
Jagger May:Just No. I'm not going I thought she got, like, six spoons.
Samantha Holt:I've heard that ghost in the shell is something I should watch, but Yeah.
Jagger May:Apparently, the Scarlett Johansson is a scarlet.
Alfredo Brown:Scarlett Johansson is great in it. Scarlett Johansson fantastic
Jagger May:in this. Oh. Every I'm not bullying this man.
Samantha Holt:Just need a clip of all the times we've mentioned ghost in the shell and just, like, a little, like, thing at the bottom icon that says bing, bing, bing. Like, just a counter for a ghost in the shell.
Alfredo Brown:Sam then start running on the other side. Get ready. There's just so many nipples in ghost in the shell. Like, honestly, that's
Jagger May:It's there's only two, Sam. It's just multiple times. True. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:There's just a lot of naked. Okay. We we talk here about, like, synthetics, human rights, and prodigy, all that stuff. Dude, Joe's getting blackmailed here essentially that if you decide to leave now and quit, not only are you gonna have to pay for that lovely little artificial lung we put in there, but you're never gonna see your sister again. So, Jag, you ask the very poignant question.
Alfredo Brown:How much does artificial lung actually cost, Albie?
Jagger May:I mean, it's straight up. You got you got to ask that dude where he's just like, I get that his sister's there, but the fact that they can get you on the hook, it's like, well, you can work off that lung. Hope you like oxygen. You know, we
Matthew Kopfhamer:could always repossess it.
Jagger May:Yeah It's like, I've written a concept over this same question. At what point we we already have subscriptions for everything. I wouldn't be subs I wouldn't be, surprised if right now Prodigy has subscription model. We've already seen this in black men. Common people.
Jagger May:Yeah, common people. Repo men. It's the same thing where you have to pay off your artificial parts. If not, Jude Law is gonna come in with fucking with a-
Matthew Kopfhamer:Forrest Whitaker.
Jagger May:With with Forrest Whitaker, and they're gonna steal that shit, dog. It's already been done. So, like, to me, this is like a other rabbit hole where I just wanna see the Weyland Yutani Prodigy universe. Alien? That's what said.
Jagger May:Alien is an environmental hazard where there's just so many questions in this universe. Like, how many how many parties are happening right now where people dress up as old British people? What do they do there? Are they fucking they gotta be fucking fucking good.
Matthew Kopfhamer:God. Fucking in the powder to make sounds awful.
Jagger May:They gotta be do like, what it has to be a fetish. Like, what are you doing?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Are those future furries?
Jagger May:Oh, yeah.
Samantha Holt:Cosplay. You know?
Alfredo Brown:Dude, so the artificial lung thing, like, I don't know how much it, like, matters how much it actually is. I think what it does is just shows, like, how fucking broke is Joe? What has been his job the whole time?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Everyone's broke. They don't get shit. Everyone's broke.
Alfredo Brown:You're either broke as shit or you're hanging out in white powdered wigs.
Jagger May:Yes. Yes.
Alfredo Brown:Like, to the point where you don't care that a ship crashed into your building. You're just like, we're having wine and dinner. It's okay. If it's real, I'll get a call.
Jagger May:I know Blake Cavalier.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Middle
Jagger May:class is the doctors. All two of them, you know?
Alfredo Brown:All two of them. All of them. Of them. Sylvia and they're married to each other.
Jagger May:Exactly. And there's clearly an age gap. They looked at each other. It's like, well, we're the only ones in our social class.
Alfredo Brown:Dude, that's actually I I that that that makes me ask the question too is I think with all of these kids, I think their families were all so poor that there was no actual way for them to have treatment. Like, I think that's a step beyond the predatory thing of using children with, with with with fatal diseases, the terminal illnesses here. I I think it was also just the families were so poor. They had no other direction to turn. So we can basically just it's kinda like what they did in Venom, where they just like, they're testing consistently on homeless people.
Alfredo Brown:Like, that's just kinda how it feels. Like, they're just grabbing the bottom of of society's barrel and saying, well, no one's gonna really miss you anyways. You're poor and dying. That's like, it's so fucked.
Jagger May:I've never watched that
Matthew Kopfhamer:It it goes back to it goes back to a central theme.
Alfredo Brown:It's not that great.
Jagger May:It's like, you know, I wouldn't have watched that movie.
Alfredo Brown:It's it's it's ungood.
Matthew Kopfhamer:This this is just another example, though, of of one of the central themes of the alien franchise, which is classism and the divide between the the haves and the have nots and how these corporations are exploiting their workers for their own gain and using them as pawns and as experiments and just doing whatever the fuck they want to them without recourse. And you hear Joe actually mention it in the episode where he was talking about, we had these things called governments, and they didn't work. And then these corporate the five rose the the propaganda, bro, of the five rose up and fixed everything. It's like, no, they didn't. They broke everything in a way that now they can do anything they want without recourse because they're the ones that are controlling the world.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So just it goes to show the propaganda that they have placed to let oligarchal, like, a technocracy overtake an a a regular government. So now you have I love using a lot
Alfredo Brown:of big words right now. Hey. I'm gonna take them as a fence.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So you should. So rich people controlling corporations that control the technology that then control everything. That's what it boils down to.
Jagger May:Molder, not everything can be blamed on late stage capitalism.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yes. It fucking can. Thanks, Ronald Reagan.
Alfredo Brown:Floor master? I actually think Floor master, Sam.
Samantha Holt:I think that Koff's take on that question is spot on for me in terms of the root of the actual problem. Like, how much does it cost? Yes. He's trapped by that, but I think it's just this bigger level of what these five corporations have done to humanity as a whole in terms of the takeover, putting them in positions where they have no say, where in a way, they're creating they're making the humans like, they're parasiting off of them to get their working ethic and to continue to build technology off of them, not for them. They keep saying we're doing this for humanity to extend immortality for humans.
Samantha Holt:I don't think that they're doing that. They're doing that to go towards the elite and everything to kind of bolster up those humans left that are extremely rich. But even those that have had like cyborgs have had artificial intelligence added to them. Morrow has had a certain level of, prestige to what he's been doing for Yutani in terms of working up the ladder. I think that there's something very specific to that in terms of investment, And there is a lot of weight put on what they're investing into these cyborgs, synthetics, and hybrids.
Samantha Holt:And they're gonna be the ones that move humanity on rather than actually humans.
Matthew Kopfhamer:They're working towards trans transhumanism as that one guy told Joe, where they want to evolve past being a biological entity Yeah. And have immortality. And whether that's through synthetic parts or some combination of, I don't know, biological manipulation. Who knows? But that's this end goal for this corporation, but it's not for the masses.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like you said, Sam, this is for the elites, the people that can fucking afford it.
Jagger May:Always has been.
Alfredo Brown:Yep. It's almost like we're living it now. Weird. I I gotta say, like, I I audibly laughed out loud when homey was just like, yeah. So we had these things called governments where you elect one person that helps make the decisions.
Alfredo Brown:It didn't work. And he just said it so fast and so flippantly fucking got me. Okay. We're talking about all these different characters, and there's one that we still have not brought up yet. We kinda did in passing, but Nibs.
Alfredo Brown:What is going on with Nibs here? Is this a little mentee bee? She she suffering from PTSD? Could she actually have some sort of synthetic baby growing inside of her? Is it could there be I mean, what else could this be?
Alfredo Brown:Is it something else? What what's going on, Koff?
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I think this is a combination of things. I think she was already unstable as a living child that was dying, and then they transferred her into this immoral body. And so she's struggling with that transition. We've seen her flashback when she was looking in the mirror, like she's still struggling to come to terms with now she's no longer herself. She's or or her old body.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I think she's struggling with that. And then you have the PTSD of being thrust into, like, an active combat situation with literal monsters. And, yeah, Kirsch was sitting there, like, telling him, you're not human anymore. You have nothing to be afraid of, but she's a nine, 10, 11 year old brain that's still gonna have some fear reactions. So I think we're having this mental breakdown plus PTSD plus the fact that I think she may have been a little fucked up beforehand anyway with her whole, like, I come from a farm.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I know what fuck it is, and I know what Jesus is. And I think she was just the wrong candidate for this experiment, and now we're seeing everything that can go wrong go wrong with her from a mental standpoint. And and Robocop two did it the best, in my opinion. What happens when you put an unstable mind inside of an indestructible body? Bad shit.
Alfredo Brown:That was not on my bingo card for Robocop two to get
Jagger May:It's totally on brand for cough.
Alfredo Brown:You know that he's But yeah.
Jagger May:Like Yeah. Action movies. Yeah. His brain lives in the eighties, dawg.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But seriously
Alfredo Brown:movie was made after 1989.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But seriously, you put an unstable mind inside of an indestructible body and then try to tell it what to do. It's not gonna end well. And Dame Sylvia got firsthand experience on that.
Jagger May:It it just goes back to the point we said, man. Like, these are kids in tanks. You you put a kid in a tank, and they're gonna throw little fits. Like, like, what if Nibs had autism? Like, what what what would you do then?
Jagger May:Like What if she's schizophrenic? Yeah. Like Or bipolar or anything. Some of these things that they bipolar is another big one. Or a well, a lot of it's borderline personality disorder if you read the DSM five.
Jagger May:But Yeah. Like, a lot of it is they don't know what these kids can be, And a lot of these disorders don't come up until they're like adolescents Yeah. At this Yeah. So it's like, cool, curly. You might put a serial killer in there.
Jagger May:Let's find out next time on teenagers in tanks. And, you know, know, teenagers and tanks. Yeah. It's kind of like the gambling.
Alfredo Brown:I'd watch that.
Jagger May:It's like the new love island. A new tank just entered the villa, and it's just totally like some fucking Kaiju. It's like a baby. From invincible, you just have, like, the baby. Yeah.
Jagger May:I wanna be president.
Alfredo Brown:Dude, so I'll say this, what I think we're seeing, and everyone here has kind of nailed it, is what we're seeing is really a direct reflection of taking these, what even the doctors have said, they weren't ready to go out into the field. We don't actually know what these hybrids were made for. Were they made to be soldiers? Were they made to be prototypes of, like, the next perfect human organism or or whatever it might be? Like, what could they actually be?
Alfredo Brown:And I think what we're seeing here is classic PTSD of what you would see from a soldier.
Jagger May:Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:Like, an actual soldier going out into battle that was not really ready for it, that didn't enlist in an army, that didn't enlist to be fighting anything and had this horrible traumatic event. And so, yeah, like you said, guys, this is still a child that hasn't developed a lot of the things in their brain that tell them who they are or their personality yet. And so the first thing that she can do is disassociate to when was I most comfortable? It's being on a farm, understanding that Jesus makes miracles. Jesus was a miracle baby.
Alfredo Brown:You know, the the nuclear family of you have the mom, the dad, the kid, like the whole thing. Like, this was sort of her comfort zone. It's it's like a child with their baby doll. This is my baby. And that that's that's where I think Nibs is at this point.
Jagger May:Yeah. Jesus loves me this I know. And he was like, I know Jesus a xenomorph.
Alfredo Brown:Tells me so.
Jagger May:Oh my gosh.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh god. If Nibs can start communicating with the xenomorphs, that's gonna spell even bigger trouble.
Alfredo Brown:Gonna be problems. Just knocking on the glass. Excuse me. Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior?
Jagger May:Talk punch. It's like, no. Talk punch.
Samantha Holt:Was gonna say. I think that with Nibs, I agree with all of you essentially in terms of what she's going through. Clearly, this is a response to trauma in terms of what she's doing now saying, I'm pregnant, just so you know. And she's look you saw you watch her with a stuffed animal, and she's looking to care for it. She's looking for an outlet to care for something because she hasn't been cared for in that way, not since being transferred into this synthetic body.
Samantha Holt:And I think that ultimately is the the thread that we're all we're all talking about the same thing it feels like in terms of this being PTSD, this being a trauma response, this being her reaction to going through a warlike episode at as a child. So she's looking to find that level of care for herself, but she's gonna go through it through an out outside outlet. So I just feel like all of this is gonna circle back and it's not gonna go a good way because when someone has to actually address the trauma they were going into rather than continue to shield themselves, which this level of reaction is creating a shield and distancing, it's going to be even more problematic. So I don't think that we're at the end or even the peak of this break that she's having. I think this is just slow uphill of this roller coaster that's about to take a huge plunge.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And their reaction was to put her in time out. Do you think she's gonna react well to time out?
Samantha Holt:No. Again I don't think she realized it was time out.
Jagger May:She's older now. She's an adult. That's solitary confinement, buddy. That's 5%. Going to the hole, girl.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. No. It's not gonna be good.
Jagger May:It's not gonna be good.
Samantha Holt:She's gonna get unplugged or something's gonna get tweaked in there.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. Well, we've made our way through the biggest questions and our best theories that we have here. Sam, you are the lore master. You get to decide which one of us won today's show for Alien Earth episode four, and who gets the last word on today's episode.
Samantha Holt:There were so many great questions that we posed going back and forth throughout this entire thing. And I don't know if I'm gonna break the mold of our first show formatted this way in picking myself, but I really like my takes in terms of looking at what
Alfredo Brown:Sam is the biggest threat that you made.
Jagger May:I am the biggest threat.
Alfredo Brown:I am
Samantha Holt:the captain now.
Jagger May:A villain. I'm the captain.
Alfredo Brown:Absolute villain. This is probably your best choice you could have made. This is your villain origin story right here.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. I'm right. Call around. Me. It's not my fault.
Samantha Holt:You guys are playing checkers, and I'm playing chess today, apparently. But it's less like this is what it is.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Girl cavalier over here. Girl cavalier.
Samantha Holt:No. In terms of the communication that Wendy is having with the xenomorph, how it is sourced, I feel like I'm gonna be right on this one. Same thing with the take on the tech being added in with the artificial lung for Joe, that doing something in terms of saving him from being possibly face hugged and implanted with an alien. I feel like those were really solid. I agreed with you guys on a lot of the other takes in terms of, you know, Nibs' character, Kirsch being the one that's going to betray just if and when.
Samantha Holt:And in terms of what alien is going to escape, I already agreed with you guys in terms of the eyeball alien being that one. So sorry, guys. Don't know if I messed up the format.
Alfredo Brown:Yourself more.
Samantha Holt:But I feel like I won today.
Alfredo Brown:That's fine. Sam is totally the the meme of Obama giving himself a Yeah.
Jagger May:That's what
Matthew Kopfhamer:I love too. We didn't think this through far enough. We didn't consider
Alfredo Brown:this we didn't consider this possibility when we came
Samantha Holt:up this. Format next week. I broke it.
Alfredo Brown:Honestly, I love it. I love this. It's the perfect choice for it. Guys, we're gonna be back again on Friday doing the exact same thing for Peacemaker season two episode two. That one was a lot of fun, ton of theories, and ton of questions that we can be asking over there.
Alfredo Brown:As always, I wanna thank everybody for watching or listening all the way through, for myself, for Jagger, for Koff, for lore master Sam who gave herself the win today. We'll see you next time. Adios. You're gonna give
Samantha Holt:me takeaway. I think that makes the most sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Holt:Okay.
Alfredo Brown:But for the remaining questions, I'll be the one that kinda pushes us along Okay. As the tour guide through the convo.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But make sure you, like, grab your camera and bring it up to your face, like, Joker style in the in Dark Knight, and then be like, I'm I'm
Jagger May:a man of my words. The first word. Do do the lip licks too, though.
Alfredo Brown:Wanna know if I get any scars.
Samantha Holt:Why'd you sound like a pirate?
Alfredo Brown:You know what? I don't know I I just brooch? Yeah. Zeus.
Jagger May:That's what I want.
Alfredo Brown:I just want an entire episode of cough doing impressions.
Samantha Holt:And they all sound like a pirate.
Jagger May:They're a
Matthew Kopfhamer:pirate mother named
Alfredo Brown:Steve in action.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You're all pirate Nixon?
Alfredo Brown:His Viola Davis and his joker, same person.
Matthew Kopfhamer:The world's most untalented voice actor.
Jagger May:You're like the anti Mark Campbell.
Alfredo Brown:A man of one voice. I'm a man of word.