On today's episode of Unbinged, we're gonna be talking about Peacemaker season two, episode four. We've got a lot of questions about the quantum unfolding chamber and some theories about where it came from, how it's gonna be used in the DCU, and then that ending with Harcourt. We gotta talk about this on an all new episode of UnBinge starting now. Welcome to UnBinge, the podcast where we break down the shows and movies you love to binge. I'm your host, Alfredo Brown.
Alfredo Brown:Join us always. I got Jagger May and Matt Kaufemer. Guys, we are answering the biggest questions and giving you our theories from Peacemaker season two, episode four. I want to get into what this quantum unfolding chamber is, how it just showed up in our lives, who that creature was. But first, spoiler warning.
Jagger May:This is your one warning that we're spoiling the entire DCU, including Peacemaker. So good luck.
Alfredo Brown:So I wanna start this off with the quantum unfolding chamber. I think I've said that, like, six times now to start the podcast, and it's a hell of a tongue twister. But the QUC, that's what I'll refer to it as from now on. Where does it come from? Because it looks like we get this creature that's walking through the woods.
Alfredo Brown:We don't quite know what it was. At first, I thought it was the weasel because that's how it sounded, which means, you know, it was Sean Gunn. It was Sean Gunn sitting sitting in a recording booth, making those noises. And then we kind of talked about, like, what could that have been? Was it a white Martian?
Alfredo Brown:That kind of doesn't seem right either. I almost wonder if it's nothing. I have a theory about where I think the QC comes from. I want to hear what you guys think first. Jag, what what the hell is this origin for the QC?
Jagger May:I mean, I don't you guys have to explain to me what a white Martian is. I guess I don't know that portion of the DCU. I didn't know they had even on Mars,
Alfredo Brown:there's roads. It's it's it's not that different from from from yeah. It's it's yeah. White versus green. White Martians believe they're better than the green Martians.
Alfredo Brown:There's, like, there's yeah. So John Literally white supremacy. On on Mars.
Jagger May:Yeah. Canonically black. I love that.
Jagger May:Yes. So
Jagger May:good for him.
Matt Kophamer:Watch Young Justice.
Alfredo Brown:They have
Matt Kophamer:a whole storyline about it.
Jagger May:Loaded. Actually, I I will. Yeah. I mean, that is one theory. I don't think it's Martian.
Jagger May:If if anything, it could just be some unknown, unnamed alien just because I don't need it to be another rabbit hole down to where we have to MCU it. Like, I guess it can be later. Like, there's always levers that you can pull, but you know how they can go with this. Just like, oh, we have this. So when are we gonna get this movie?
Jagger May:And here's how this leads to this comic book line. And I I don't know. I I think I'm almost traumatized at this point, but my old girlfriend so now with my new one, I'm just like, oh, red flag. You know? So at this point, I just wanted to I'm okay if it's just original.
Jagger May:I'm okay if this is just a fugly ass dimensional imp imp, you know, that they just jack his briefcase. Like, he's like, I'm just gonna, like, take a shit in the woods or something on a quick stop, and he gets capped by fucking Auggie or something. You know? That's what I think.
Matt Kophamer:Honestly, you might not be wrong. I wouldn't I wouldn't be mad at that if they just never brought it up again and then didn't give us a definitive answer because sometimes it's better to have that mystique around a certain character or origin. And honestly, it was just a interdimensional being run around in the woods, wrong place, wrong time, and a couple of races found his technology by accident. I mean, there you go. There's the origin of the quantum unfolding chamber in our universe.
Matt Kophamer:Now how the other 99 got that technology or got access to that quantum unfolding chamber, maybe that's worth exploring in in a later story. Because as they definitively said in this episode, there are 99 doors, 99 dimensions that this leads to. So are all of them similar to the one we've experienced with peacemaker where it's seemingly like one step away from our universe or they all definitively different? And that weird ass creature we saw using the the the the not composter at the furnace in the first episode that Peacemaker then yelled at after he killed himself in the different universe. Is that a version of Chris Myth or is that just another being?
Matt Kophamer:These are all questions that they could explore. But at the end of the day, I think you're right, Jagger, where it almost doesn't matter if they do.
Jagger May:It's funny you mentioned that alien. Do you think that that's something they're setting us up for? Where he just, like, he never talks to me. Then one day that alien just, like, stop and just be like, dude, what, you know, what the fuck? You know, like Like, kind of a dick.
Jagger May:Yeah. Gives us some old black man, like magical black man advice where he just, like, sits down and, you know
Alfredo Brown:wise janitor.
Jagger May:Yeah. Exactly. That that like, it's just alien form on there.
Alfredo Brown:Man, Honestly,
Matt Kophamer:you know James Gunn? Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. I I I think you're right, Jack. Like, honestly, I really do. James Gunn has already said that he doesn't want to make this a thing where he's like, well, I made a commitment to a storyline or a character in one area and now I have to keep going with that. The thing here is that I'm still wondering what is going to be the connective tissue to Superman Man of Tomorrow because James Gunn has been so explicit in saying that this is a prequel to that movie and will tie directly to that.
Alfredo Brown:It's weird because like with DC and with James Gunn, it feels like he's doing the opposite of what he's been saying he wants to do, like not give you TV homework and not make promises of things to come. But then, like, it kind of is. So there's a small part of my brain that still starts to ask, Okay, well, like who made this quantum unfolding chamber? Like, what was the purpose of it? Right?
Alfredo Brown:Like, just like a lot of dumb questions that we're not going to get answers to. And it makes me go like, what if it was brainiac? What if he's got a bunch of these little imps running around all different universes and different planets and everywhere with these little quantum unfolding chambers? Right. And that leads into the what's already been rumored, the big villain that is too much for Superman in the next film, which is why he has to team up with Lex Luthor.
Alfredo Brown:So, like, that's just kind of where my brain starts to roam with that stuff.
Matt Kophamer:So would you so I just to to bounce off of that, do you think that weird creature was maybe a scout then for Brainiac, trying to scout out different dimensions that may be right for the picking?
Alfredo Brown:Why would I mean, it wasn't any kind of warrior or anything like that. Like, it was loud as shit. It died from one shot.
Matt Kophamer:Scouts don't have to be warriors. That's what I'm saying. Maybe he's he's there as an advanced scout to see if this is a universe worth exploring for Brainiac to then miniaturize and and collect.
Alfredo Brown:Maybe it's like mister handsome. Like what a
Matt Kophamer:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Like what like what a like what Lex had. Just sort of like Yeah. Yeah. Just sort of like an assistant manager that helps, like, run different departments, and he he's just he works the tech department for Brainiac.
Jagger May:By nature, Brainiac doesn't need that because he's a one entity that like like like, why would he send an organic being that can make mistakes? Like, that's just yeah. I was gonna say that's just so unbrainiac like. Like, that that's why I just can't buy it. You would.
Jagger May:And that's yeah. And that's why, for me, I don't I'd still think that Brainiac could be a future villain somehow because how many villains are just too much straight up too much for Superman? Darkseid. Yeah. I'm gonna say definitely Darkseid.
Alfredo Brown:Man, we are not winning with the DCU fanboys right now.
Matt Kophamer:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Jags like, what's a White Martian? And then cough saying Darkseid. The thumbs down are flooding in.
Jagger May:White Martian's a deep cut, guys. Like, come come on. No. It's not a
Alfredo Brown:deep dawg. It's not a
Matt Kophamer:deep dawg. Okay. Well, fuck. Alright.
Jagger May:I don't a lot of Martian shit. Like, DC's huge.
Alfredo Brown:I I still remember it from the Justice League animated series.
Jagger May:Is it in there? I just finished that. There's no white Martian storyline in there. Anyway, I don't wanna get down this rabbit hole.
Alfredo Brown:Anyways. Anyways.
Jagger May:But the I've I've almost forgotten what the fuck we're talking about at this point. But, anyway, the things that could beat Superman, Darkside now I'm fucking it up, Darkside. Darkside.
Jagger May:See? It's easy to do.
Jagger May:No. It's not.
Jagger May:It's you did it. It's your fault.
Jagger May:It's dark side, brainiac, doomsday.
Alfredo Brown:And eagly.
Matt Kophamer:Do you mean you mean doomsday.
Jagger May:Right? Doomsday. Yeah. Jesus. So I'll be jumping into Doomsday right away.
Jagger May:It just seems like and we
Matt Kophamer:could. We
Jagger May:get BoomTubes.
Matt Kophamer:Because we did that we did that with SnyderVerse, and I feel like I think Doomsday and Darkseid should be a little bit farther down the road.
Jagger May:I'm I just I wanna get it out of the way because I don't it's the Thanos comparison. Because he's like, well, he's DC Thanos. I'm like, but not really.
Matt Kophamer:You know?
Jagger May:But really. Yeah. But, like, people are naturally gonna do that. And, like, dark and Darkseid's like this thing. So, like, he he's always gonna be a problem.
Jagger May:You know? Kinda like Apocalypse in X Men. Like, alright. We're gonna or or Galactus. Let's go put Darkseid away for a while, and then he'll come back later or Ultron.
Jagger May:Exactly. So, like, let's do that. Get Darkseid out of the way, and then, like, Brainiac can be, like, the big problem. Or we actually do a good fucking job with Doomsday. We don't just do, like, you know, let's I plugged fucking I I Frankenstein to Michael Shannon in a bathtub,
Jagger May:and this is what I got.
Matt Kophamer:And all I got was this shitty CGI. Yeah.
Jagger May:That's good.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. We're we're gonna talk more about the the quantum unfolding chamber, what it could mean for the series, for the DCU, and honestly, in, like, how I think it also has some effect on the origin of peacemakers helmets. But we're going to talk about that in just a sec. Before we do that, I want to remind everybody we've got an awesome giveaway that we're doing right now. We're giving away a $100 Amazon gift card to the best theory or comment that we get in the YouTube or Spotify comments.
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Alfredo Brown:Guys, the QC Quantum unfolding chamber. Do you think it's going to because I know James Gunn has said he likes to take small things and make them part of a big picture later. Is it going to be too much to just keep making this part of the DCU over and over and over? Let's make this connect to man of tomorrow. Let's make this connect to everything.
Alfredo Brown:Or should he honestly and I hope he does this just destroy it here in the Peacemaker show so we don't have to keep dealing with interdimensional stuff.
Jagger May:Keep it in the show at most. Like, if you're gonna keep it around, make it like a peacemaker thing. Make it like a problem just for them. Because comics don't all have to have the same fucking problem. You know?
Jagger May:Lanterns are dealing with shit how many sex away sometimes. They don't even know what's going on. Like like, let's put it this way. Like, vigilante isn't worried about a fucking star sapphire. You know?
Jagger May:Like, that's not his problem at this point. So I think not having or having different storylines works well. Something I do know very well, like MCU, like, the the hand are a daredevil and ground level hero problem. Captain America is just like, who who? I got some other shit.
Jagger May:I've got Nazis to deal with. Like, if you got you got the ninjas, cool. So I I hope that we get more to that to where we can yeah. There's gonna be crossover, but, really, you can continue to follow the things that you wanna follow. And, don't feel tied down and weighted by homework.
Alfredo Brown:Are are we just burned out on the interdimensional stuff and the alternate universe stuff? Like, it's
Jagger May:just
Alfredo Brown:DC did it in TV or they did the crisis on infinite earths, and then Marvel did it
Matt Kophamer:through a
Alfredo Brown:of different stories, a bunch of different stories, man. So like it's just I think it's it's a lot even in comics. Like, we're not it's not alternate universe. We're getting absolute, you know, everything. And even though the comics are great, don't get me wrong.
Alfredo Brown:We're getting a lot of crossovers like we're getting fucking Godzilla and the Xenomorph and all these different things crossing over into comics. Sometimes we kinda just want, like, a nice grounded story. They did that with Spider Man recently.
Jagger May:Yeah. I just want a separate story that I just I'll like, Invincible, you know what's nice? I'm only reading about fucking Invincible. There's some other stuff out there, but not really that I have to watch.
Alfredo Brown:Koff?
Matt Kophamer:Fair. I see what you guys are saying, and and I do agree to a certain point. But I think a storyteller like James Gunn is gonna be too tempting for him to keep this as a open element for future stories. So I could see them doing a, like, a bait and switch kind of thing where they destroy the doorway, but then, like, the last frame of the show or whatever is little crackle energy showing that it's not really gone forever. Because I could see you know, it's just too tempting to have 99 other alternate universes as a a way to bring in other characters or bring in other storylines.
Matt Kophamer:So, again, I think the temptation is gonna be too strong for James Gunn to ultimately close this, uh-huh, pun intended, door forever.
Jagger May:Hear me out. Space. Like,
Jagger May:just bring people from
Jagger May:space. Counterargument.
Alfredo Brown:So big.
Jagger May:Yeah. But you know what? Even if it's not even if it's
Matt Kophamer:not the next project or even if it's not, you know, a few projects from now, he could always keep it in the back of his pocket where it's like, hey, you got a truck, you know, an ace in your hole where you pull this out and you can That's fun. Bring in multiple yeah. Bring in multiple peacemakers for a little reunion thing or whatever. So I'm just saying, like That I think is different items.
Alfredo Brown:And I think like that, we have so many different opportunities because we've seen him be so quick to retcon things or bring something into the fold. Like, we were talking about this before the show, like, Blue Beetle, where Ted Cord is stuck somewhere else in a different dimension. If he decides to make something from that canon now in this one, like there's 1,000,001 ways that he can open up dimensions and portals to different places. I just don't think I want that right now. Like, are so many characters that we don't have in the DCU and not that I'm in any hurry to get them all in there and be like, Okay, cool.
Alfredo Brown:Now we've got our Justice League. Let's get our big bad and then you just run, run back the Marvel playbook. We're I'm I don't want us to get to a point where it's like, Okay, we keep playing the James Gunn hits and this is all we know of DC and this is all we know of the DCU is let's get Superman and Supergirl and Peacemaker and keep running those same plays over and over. Oh, wait. Here's green lantern, and that's a little darker and different and gritty.
Alfredo Brown:And I don't know if I like it because it's different. Right? Like, let's explore those. I don't I don't wanna keep doing the whole interdimensional thing.
Jagger May:Yeah. And and I think we have a unique opportunity. This is why I'm saying that this is a fad right now because how many years of Marvel did we get with that that worked so well? All it did was this is why I said, like, just go to space, man. Mongols in space.
Jagger May:Like, Star Sapphires in space. Oh, I can
Alfredo Brown:do black this.
Matt Kophamer:Low, bro.
Alfredo Brown:We can go back we can go back in time too. Not not saying time travel.
Jagger May:I'm just saying we can go
Alfredo Brown:and do prequel stuff. Like, we can see like, like, in the Superman movie, you go inside the Hall Of Justice there and you see the mural on the wall of all the old school heroes. Like, we can go back and see that. We could see all kinds of there's a lot of directions here. I'm still I'm still super excited.
Alfredo Brown:I think I'd be I don't want to say disappointed, but no. Yeah, I'd be disappointed. I'd be disappointed if if we go through the interdimensional thing.
Jagger May:Yeah, it's just not as fresh and like like cough to your point. I'm not saying obviously you can't scratch it like the scrap it. The monkey's out of the barrel. Like, one, you can destroy that door right now. Lex Lupier knows how to rip up He knows how to rip something open right away.
Jagger May:But that has consequence, and it's not something that's just always going to be a thing where they're like, doctor strange it and some shit happens, you know, that, like, let's just put it away. And when I say put it in the back pocket, I mean, put it in your back pocket, take those pants off, and then put those pants away for winter, And then go do some other shit and then come back and then pull that out of that back pocket later.
Matt Kophamer:You don't you don't wanna see some interdimensional yeah. God. Well, we we know he doesn't wear sleeves. So anyway, do you do you guys think there could be some sort of connection, especially going back to the point of this is gonna tie into Superman with already a name drop of interdimensional imps in an earlier episode? Maybe we do get a mister Mixapixel cameo, and that's how
Alfredo Brown:Mixl Mixl split. Thought here is, like, if we have these different dimensions, potentially interdimensional imps, which is already referred to in the Superman movie, and then we see this creature here that's been carrying the quantum unfolding chamber. But there's another thing that we can explore here, the helmets and this technology that creates them because Augie Smith, like, we find out it's weird because I was thinking the whole time Augie Smith is some sort of just like racist genius. But in fact, like, he flunked out of tenth grade. It's like, where does the technology come for him to have all these different helmets?
Alfredo Brown:Was he hopping into other dimensions and stealing helmets from different peacemakers was like, I I don't even know. Was this something that was already in there? Has every Augie Smith done this every in every single dimension? This is like an interesting thing. It could be opened up even more.
Jagger May:It's crazy. Augie Smith never got his grade 10, and that explains how he made a fucking Iron Man suit that looks like a dragon. Sorry, Koff. Go ahead.
Matt Kophamer:No. You're good. I was just gonna say, to me, it makes the most sense for racist Augie Smith to just be a straight up thief and go around collecting different technology and then cobbling it together in his own garage because, you know, why would he want if he had the, the option to go into 99 different universes, why wouldn't you explore that? So you can't tell me that him going in probably packing some sort of weaponry from our universe wouldn't just straight up jack technology from other universes and bring it back.
Jagger May:That's a plot like Justice League.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Like, for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's right.
Alfredo Brown:Cronos. Yeah. Mhmm. That's that's such a good one. I'm gonna go watch that show after this.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Dude, like, Augie Smith doesn't exactly seem like the kind of guy that follows the rules. Like, it's not like he was sitting there going, You know what I shouldn't do is go into other dimensions. He's sitting there going, Fuck it. I'm going go and do whatever I want, whatever is going to be good for me.
Alfredo Brown:I can't imagine how many of these other dimensional doors that he's gone through where, like, he's known as, like, their big bad. Like, he's he's their dark side just showing up being racist as shit, stealing all their things.
Jagger May:I'd like to think he's like Randall from Monsters Incorporated. He just, like, comes out of closets as, like, like a clan member.
Jagger May:It's like, oh god. Oh god.
Matt Kophamer:Just making children scream as a guest. Yo, screams fuel me.
Alfredo Brown:He goes to the all black universe where there's a black pacemaker and and just just scares him at night and then leaves.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like, mom, the racist is in my closet again. It's like, there's no racist in your closet.
Alfredo Brown:The the grand wizard's under the bed.
Matt Kophamer:There's no dragon in your closet, kid. Go back to sleep.
Jagger May:Oh, god. Fuck. That's terrifying.
Matt Kophamer:Yeah. That's absolutely what Augie Smith did. Just popping out of closet, stealing shit, just just scaring children.
Jagger May:As you imagine the horror movie, I get haunted by a clan member. Is that what the new Condren series is gonna be about?
Jagger May:Yes. That's the prequel.
Jagger May:Trapped in the closet.
Matt Kophamer:It's a
Jagger May:clan member with a gun.
Matt Kophamer:Oh, god. So that means he popped out of the alternate universe that Chris went into and then he was like, oh, oh, they're all racist too. Sweet. This one's the this one's the good one. And then he shared the technology he stole with that universe and that's why they have Peacemaker helmets too.
Alfredo Brown:Okay.
Matt Kophamer:And that's why the only two
Alfredo Brown:That that's why I think that his brother that I said this in the last episode. That's why I think that Keith might be suspicious enough that he knows this is not his version of Chris. Because it would not surprise me if Auggie has been to these other dimensions, walked through it, talked with his own self because they have some pretty dope tech over in the other dimension. Now, there's also a part of me that believes that Auggie would have just gone to the other dimension and been like, Oh, this is exactly what I wanted. I'll just stay here.
Alfredo Brown:There's a lot of ways. Like, he could just be saying, a clean up my dimension to be just like this and and do a little ethnic cleansing himself.
Jagger May:Just like God intended. Oh.
Alfredo Brown:Well, the one of us that could say it did.
Jagger May:Alright. Thanks, everybody.
Alfredo Brown:We nope. Nope.
Jagger May:There you go. No.
Matt Kophamer:Because she meant she mentioned that God put him in the universe he was supposed to be in.
Jagger May:You know? It ties in. That's a good save. Makes sense for him. Yeah.
Jagger May:Good save. Good save, man.
Jagger May:You did, like, six black fish to land that, but it it worked.
Matt Kophamer:I'm like, June
Jagger May:master in the forest. Yeah. Oh, god.
Jagger May:So Okay. So we
Jagger May:think No, Chris. Do
Alfredo Brown:we think in this other dimension, is Chris is Chris and Keith, his brother, are they going to actually, like, have the relationship and be able to confront the truth? Or that's that's where my head goes, is he keeps saying, You can tell me anything, and it's because he doesn't feel the same way that his dad does. But there could also just be the I'm suspicious. I yes, I am still racist. I don't trust you.
Alfredo Brown:And there's going to be that fight where peacemakers going to have to kill his brother again. Do you think that's where this is headed? Cough.
Matt Kophamer:Unfortunately, just because of how we saw his alternate self react when he was, like, in the bedrooms or he asked him one question then was ready to blow his head off, and he didn't even wait for an answer. So we have seen Keith be tender towards Chris. But again, it could be just him fishing for answers and hoping to get him to slip up, and then he'll pull pull his gun out. God, there's a part of me that really wants to because of how David Denman has played this character so far, I want him to be sympathetic and and to be like, you know, it's okay. But then again, it's like, no, you killed my brother.
Matt Kophamer:Like, even though you are exactly the same and identical, you still killed my brother. So I don't think we're gonna get a happy ending no matter what happens. And, unfortunately, I think that means that Peacemaker's gonna have to murder his brother for a second time.
Jagger May:Peacemaker's almost got Batman roles, where it's like, just you're never gonna be happy, dog. You
Alfredo Brown:like, parkour ain't ever gonna He's
Matt Kophamer:the Peter Parker.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like, uncle Ben, who's actually a grand dragon, is never gonna come back. No. It.
Alfredo Brown:Plot twist. It was on May.
Jagger May:Yeah. No. Yeah. Where is the mom?
Jagger May:That is a great question. Like like and you know what I don't want? I don't wanna do that bulls. Even the boys did it where just like your the mom comes back and sees the floor all the fucking reason. I I hate that shit.
Jagger May:Like, give me a reason she died. Or, honestly, I could believe she left them because he is racist and mean. To be to be honest, this is the one time I believe that the mom would just up and leave. You know? Like, just fucking leave and dip out.
Jagger May:Because, like, now I'm thinking about the boys. I'm like, how how could you leave Simon Pegg and Huey? You know? I just don't I don't see it. You know?
Matt Kophamer:Yeah. The way the boys handled that was egregious, though. Like, they didn't that was
Jagger May:not good. TV, though. Like, they always do that. We're just like, here's my mom that we suddenly cast a known person as, and I don't want that. And James Gunn's better than that.
Jagger May:But I do think that maybe Peacemaker's just gonna have Batman roles, and he's just gonna be sad until he's no longer a thing. Or when he is happy, that's when the character is done.
Alfredo Brown:I mean, that's sort of the crux of this character. His name is Peacemaker, and it's such an oxymoron that he has to kill every man, woman and child to get peace. And it's like he's constantly on this pursuit of happiness, this pursuit of peace that is, especially with guns and violence, impossible to find. Like, that's what this character is supposed to be. This just tragic, not like they're just perennially tragic character who can bring some humor, you know,
Jagger May:Guys, the
Alfredo Brown:other character who's been sorry. Go go, Jack.
Jagger May:I was gonna say, like, if he's happy, apparently, he dressed like what is like a Saudi prince.
Jagger May:Oh my gosh. Like, because,
Jagger May:like, what would happen? This is like all
Jagger May:over me. That's what it is.
Alfredo Brown:Shout out Saudi princes that listen to the show. Guys, another sad character from this episode who I kind of just wanted them to, like, let's just let's just get there. Let's just get there with these characters. They've been trying to bridge this gap for a little too long, and I'm hoping that this is going to be the end of that little character arc is Harcourt Harcourt's relationship with Peacemaker Harcourt's relationship with Rick Flag Senior question marks there because, Jack, I know you saw it and you were like, Are they they
Jagger May:fucking
Alfredo Brown:like, what's what's going on there? And then we started to ask, Okay, if she was in some sort of a side piece relationship with Rick Flag Jr, that's not like that's not typically the girl that's coming home to meet your dad's. Like, what is the relationship there with with Harcourt and Rick Flag Senior? Jagged.
Jagger May:Yeah. They had you know, his coffee order, you know, like, maybe if you were his secretary or something like that. I see one thing that maybe, like, the maybe if she was, like, his assistant, I could buy it. That that actually would make more sense. But, like, immediately, you get the air like, wow.
Jagger May:These two people have fucked before. You know? Like, it's just like like, you, like, you go to rooms sometimes and feel like that's that's
Matt Kophamer:the issue. Tension, Jen. Sexual tension is what they're talking about. And, it was definitely thick enough to cut with a goddamn knife.
Jagger May:Yeah. My name's Rick. You know, it's just like it's like when they stop calling you babe or they, like, change your name in the phone to, like, not have hearts and shit. There's some Jerry Springer stuff. Yeah.
Jagger May:I think Harcourt's messy dog. She she's she's a messy gal. She's a messy.
Alfredo Brown:Was she was sleeping with a guy who was dating an enchantress. And then when she was probably thinking, oh, well, that's not going to happen. And he left. Oh, there it is. When he left to where was it that he went to?
Alfredo Brown:Not Santa Prisca. Corto Maltese. Corto Maltese. When when Flags Junior leaves to Corto Maltese, what if that was her time where she starts hooking up with with the father?
Matt Kophamer:You think it happened after
Jagger May:he died?
Alfredo Brown:You know what? It could have been one of those things, like, right after he dies. Yeah. That's I'm thinking.
Jagger May:They do, like, people
Alfredo Brown:they meet at the funeral. People grieve. I mean, dude, it's it's a it's a you guys can watch Friday night lights, that show? Oh, that that one. See?
Alfredo Brown:Okay.
Jagger May:Jason Roger. Yeah. Jason Street, Lila, and Tim Riggins. Yeah. I'm very familiar with that
Alfredo Brown:There we go. Jack's Jack's Jack's here.
Jagger May:We're here. Cultured dog. Old Lila Gary. Words. Yeah.
Jagger May:Messy Church Girls fans.
Jagger May:Yep. Yep.
Jagger May:Hardcore ain't a church girl, though. That's what I'm saying. She she just straight messy, dog. Like, I could buy it. I totally she totally has the air of the girl that's, like, only, older men.
Jagger May:You know? I bet she bullied Rick Flag Junior. She would bully Rick Flag Junior with, I've fucked your dad. Like, she totally would, like, do that.
Alfredo Brown:Oh god. Dark. I don't love it. I don't love hearing
Jagger May:that one.
Jagger May:Not that
Alfredo Brown:either. I didn't I You're like, as I said it, I wanted to bring it back.
Jagger May:Yeah. I regret it. I'm sorry for our audience out there. I I I take it back.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. So so with Harcourt here, I know, like, some of the theories are gonna be, is she a double agent? Is she playing both? Like, is she doing the the Mac? I'm playing both sides, you know, just to to make sure I always come out on top
Matt Kophamer:of your head.
Alfredo Brown:I think for now, I think what she's doing, she is actually turning on peacemaker, not turning on him. Like, I don't think she was ever really on his side. Like, were just forced to work together, and she's going to do whatever it takes for the job. I think there's going to be something that eventually pushes her back in the other direction. She breaks him out or helps him out or something, because I mean, they kind of alluded to this, the eleventh Street kids or eleventh Street gang, whatever it is, there's a breakup coming.
Alfredo Brown:Like, has to be with economists role with Argus, whether he's been helping Chris or not, them saying like, oh, we're always going to be friends. Nothing could ever tear us apart. Well, we're seeing it right here before our eyes with Harcourt.
Jagger May:Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of that setup.
Matt Kophamer:I also think it's one of those situations where Harcourt knows, like, Argus, they're not gonna stop pursuing peacemaker, and this is her version of damage control. So she's hoping that if she can get ahead of the situation, maybe get get Chris to turn himself in because she's there, she can minimize how much collateral damage actually ends up happening. So it's less of a betrayal and more of her trying to keep everyone that she cares about from dying again. So I could see it being that that's her rationale for what she's doing versus a, she's tired of peacemaker.
Jagger May:I just wish that she got a different job. Like, do you have to work for the government? I'm sure there's private work out there somewhere. Could they they there's mercenaries in every movie I've ever watched ever. Like, could you be a thief?
Jagger May:Could you steal like I said, like, be be a a big super thief. There's just so many things that you can do besides be a snitch and ratchet right out your friends. So Harcourt saying, well, I had to hawk my TV. That means you're a fucking clown and a bootlicker, and you can't, like, survive without the government to eat. So I'm just kinda I'm kinda judging
Alfredo Brown:than that. I think there's more to it than that. I think that yeah. I think there's a lot of self hate going on with Harcourt. Like, I think there's a lot of just self hate where she's therapy.
Alfredo Brown:It's not that simple for everybody. Like, I'm not I'm not going to make excuses for a fucking fictional character here. I think that's the intention, though. Like, the intention is to make this a very difficult character to understand, a difficult character to love and a character that doesn't really seem to especially if not only has she potentially hooked up with Peacemaker who killed Rick Flag Junior, she's potentially hooked up with Rick Flag Senior, which by way, we're taking a lot of liberties with this character sexually without knowing anything. So if we're wrong, that's that's going to feel very weird.
Alfredo Brown:But like, there's a lot of potential connections here for Harcourt where, yeah, it becomes very easy to hate yourself when you feel like you're the connective tissue between all these bad things, like you're just ready to just be numb, go through life, whatever just gets me to the next day, the next dollar, I'll just do that.
Matt Kophamer:No. I'm on I'm on Jag's side. Like, there's gotta be way too many, like, villains looking for henchmen that she can't make some quick change on the side doing some goon work. Yeah. So that's
Jagger May:all I'm saying you need to work at a Joanne Fabrics or some shit like that. But, like, I know damn well that there's some goon work where you don't have to go Yeah. Fight people in a bar. Like, that's just, like Tell me. The Joker's Oh,
Alfredo Brown:this is something. It's a plot convenience. It's a plot convenience of the show that they're
Jagger May:not doing. Judge the character from the plot convenience because that's my prerogative, Alfredo. No snitching.
Alfredo Brown:But you're not gonna judge her for fucking sleeping with the man that killed her her boyfriend?
Jagger May:People are complicated. Or
Alfredo Brown:her death? Oh, now they're complicated. Fuck out
Jagger May:of here. Can you
Matt Kophamer:tell me Bane's not recruiting at all times, though? Come on now. Like, she's got skills that are probably highly valuable in the henchmen world.
Alfredo Brown:Henchmen ain't they ain't hiring someone who worked for Argus.
Matt Kophamer:Why not?
Jagger May:They're not
Alfredo Brown:doing it.
Jagger May:They might.
Matt Kophamer:Inside knowledge. Inside knowledge.
Jagger May:I don't
Alfredo Brown:know, man. That's Can you see Harcourt down from the DNC flipping to the other side. Like, it just doesn't work like that.
Jagger May:They're gonna put a hardcore
Matt Kophamer:happens all
Jagger May:the time.
Jagger May:Like a like a Arkham Asylum where she's like, it's the bat. And she's like,
Alfredo Brown:that what we're supposed to say? Okay.
Jagger May:No. You should say that
Jagger May:you're face here, Robin. So
Alfredo Brown:it's I mean, through this, we got a couple other characters in the episode that were great. I mean, Economos was kicking ass in this, like, verbally, not physically. We also got a little Jalen Carter from him spitting on on Flurry. That was gross. Not gonna lie.
Alfredo Brown:That was just really, really gross.
Jagger May:Talk to a.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, no.
Matt Kophamer:He spit on that thing.
Alfredo Brown:I thought we were done with that as a country.
Jagger May:Not yet. No.
Alfredo Brown:Yet. Economist was a badass. I actually love seeing him like that. Like, for for me, he was MVP of the episode here. I wish we could have even gotten just more like if you were going to do it, just lean into that.
Alfredo Brown:It felt like we were very spread out throughout the episode. We didn't get a whole lot of anything that happened. We just got like, here's some expo on Red Saint Wild and his weird, like, blood ritual that he did where he gets the or he's he's I don't know. He doesn't have powers. I've looked this up.
Alfredo Brown:He does not have many
Jagger May:powers. His is cultural appropriation. He could literally copy
Alfredo Brown:cultural appropriation.
Jagger May:He could disrespect any culture. Like, he's just Surprised he didn't put on a kidnae cloth to try to summon the ancestors. Go on full blown sinners with a guitar.
Matt Kophamer:The CT vision quest at the end. That's his real power. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Right. Like, that that feels very James Gunn to just be like, yeah, he's got a brain injury. That's why he's he's seeing that stuff. Like, it's not you see how much blood he lost from his head?
Jagger May:Like, that
Alfredo Brown:that's a dude that's on his way out.
Jagger May:Ain't nobody could kill it. He's better than I can.
Jagger May:That's a
Jagger May:flex. He's already insane. He's already insane. One on one, baby.
Jagger May:He's stick you use some weird thing to justify your need to kill birds.
Alfredo Brown:But we didn't get enough of was we did not get enough vigilante in this episode.
Jagger May:I didn't get all season.
Alfredo Brown:I know. Why is that? As you think it's it's just is it just the design of the show because of the, you know, the the extra dimension that we're in and all the added characters? Is that just
Jagger May:we're gonna
Alfredo Brown:chalk up to that.
Jagger May:No room, man. We need a we need more. I mean, really, the the extra dimension is like a whole other plot line that takes up half the time. We've barely even been in this dimension unless we've been in the van or in the house essentially. Like, we've we've finally got a third location in the May Harcourt's apartment.
Jagger May:You know, I get we're balling on a budget. You know? And I know there's only so many sets that we can afford, but, like, still, you know?
Alfredo Brown:If it feels and and what worries me here is, like, vigilante feels a little like Drax. Like, you're not gonna get a whole lot of time with him, but he is going to give you some good one liners. He's going give you a couple of good action scenes here. I do start to worry because this is the first time in DC where I've been like, James Gunn maybe has a little too much dip on the chip, where there's just so many characters and the story's not moving. And we're just doing more expo on more characters, but the story's not going anywhere.
Alfredo Brown:This is the last. It's a good scene.
Jagger May:Supposed to be a lot, though. Like, I got.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, that's right. And we're gonna have all these cameos. That's it. And like, that's another question, right? It's like more cameos, more characters.
Alfredo Brown:Like, is it gonna feel all that contained? I still have the faith. I still have the faith. Like, I haven't lost my faith in James Gunn, but those questions do start to creep up a little bit. Well, guys, I think that's gonna do it for us.
Alfredo Brown:This was a this was a solid episode. I'm not gonna say it was a good episode, but it was a solid episode of Peacemaker. These next ones, we got three more left.
Jagger May:It's a big three coming up.
Jagger May:Four more. Yeah. The
Alfredo Brown:big three. The heat war.
Matt Kophamer:This is only episode this is episode four. This there's eight episodes.
Alfredo Brown:This is episode four. It's an eight sie eight episode season.
Matt Kophamer:Four more episodes?
Alfredo Brown:We should probably know this. Yeah. We're gonna someone let us know in the comments down below. We'll we'll figure this out.
Jagger May:I'll these guys are fucking stupid. No. We it's just late, and we just finished watching it.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. It's 11:00 at night. You know?
Jagger May:We're legit, guys. We're we're people like you. We don't get that early.
Alfredo Brown:We know what white Martians are. Okay? And Darkseid and how many episodes are in this fucking show.
Jagger May:Yes. 66% of us can pronounce Darkseid. So
Jagger May:Yeah.
Matt Kophamer:I'm doing the alternate dimension pronunciation just like Bluedhaven instead of Bloodhaven. Come on now.
Jagger May:Oh, okay. Where where Darkseid is real and mispronounced? Darkseid? Darkseid.
Alfredo Brown:Darkseid. Darkseid is a very different character. Yeah.
Jagger May:And I know he's not allowed in the alternate universe from what I'm saying.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. I think that's gonna be a wrap for us. As always, wanna to thank everybody for watching or listening all the way through. Make sure that you join us every week here for Peacemaker, every Friday on YouTube and every Monday on the audio side. We also have Task on HBO that the guys are watching right now.
Alfredo Brown:I'm not part of that one, but Cough Jack and Sam are watching that, and the show apparently is excellent. We've got Gen V coming in next week, so make sure you join us for that every Thursday. And of course, Alien Earth is coming to a close here very soon. So make sure you subscribe to the channel on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your shows. Like I said before, guys, as always, wanna thank everybody for watching and listening all the way through for myself or Jag for Koff.
Alfredo Brown:We'll see you next time. Adios.