We got Tom's backstory. Who is snitching on both sides, and who is going to crack first? Maeve, Cliff, or Robbie? We are discussing all those things here right now on the Unbench podcast. Welcome to the Unbinge pod, the podcast where we break down all the shows that you love and are binging.
Jagger May:It's me, Jack or May. With me as always is Matt Coughhammer and Sam Holt. Noah Alfredo because he likes to sleep out on Mondays and has a real job. But we are talking TASK today, and we're gonna hop right back into it. This is
SamanthaHolt:your official spoiler warning. We're about to talk about episode two of TASK. So if you haven't watched it yet, go watch it and come back because we're gonna talk about everybody that died or didn't die or get kidnapped again. I don't know, but we're gonna cover it.
Jagger May:We we know what happened here. We had the robbery. They stole the kid. Now we discover that they have snitches on both sides. It creates a huge problem with the gangs.
Jagger May:We know that the gangs, they are missing their fentanyl, and now we have the task force that are all over. I'm searching for this kid. Who are the stitches on both sides? Because we get this information that from the gangs, they already know about the task force. They know about Tom Brandis.
Jagger May:So let's start there. Who is the gang snitch? Right now, my theory, I still think that that that Cath Kathleen is is pretty suspect if we wanna talk from the top, but, really, is it inside the task force from these locals? Sam, we'll start with you.
SamanthaHolt:I wanted to say that it was Kathleen too, but I went and checked on IMDB, she's only in a what episode?
Jagger May:Womp womp.
SamanthaHolt:I know. Cheater. I had the same thought. I was like, wait a minute. Real quick.
SamanthaHolt:If it says two episodes, we have a chance. But no. So I think that the call is coming from inside the biker gang. I'm still not sure who we saw, you know, with the group coming back together with the town hall meeting kind of thing at the bar that there were some fights between different gang members. I think that there's gonna be one of them that ends up up being the snitch, but I still can't tell who it is.
Jagger May:Yeah. So far as, like, the biker game, who's snitching there, they show one guy. And I don't have a name for him, but he's just like it's not Perry, obviously. It's obviously not the other dude. But I and, like, Koff, you're you're the one who's, like, all on this.
Jagger May:So do you you got the name here on there, or who's your who's your theory?
Matt Kopfhamer:I didn't catch the name, but he's the sergeant at arms. He's the one that was eating the plate of eggs, and then he makes the flipping comment about Sam being dead. And Jackson's like,
Jagger May:well, fuck you.
Matt Kopfhamer:And so I clearly think it's gonna be either they're they're setting him up as a red herring, but I think it's gonna be the sergeant at arms. And I think we're gonna find out that he has a connection with Robbie, Cliff, and Maeve because of Billy. But from the other side, I think the informant from the cops or task force, I think, is gonna turn out to be Lizzie because she seems to be competent at her job, but she's also very distracted by her personal life. And if she is from the local area, I think it may be possible that she has some sort of either ex or some sort of connection to the dark arts, and that's where we're gonna find out her ex that she's fighting with is a member of the of the gang. And she has been either inadvertently or inadvertently feeding them information to keep them ahead.
Jagger May:Yeah. I agree on the sergeant on arms because, like, again, as being like a film guy, and I'm like, oh, that was an intentional edit. You know? Like, every time I see that. So, like, that that's my big guess.
Jagger May:But as far as who is snitching in the FBI for the gangs, And I agree that maybe I need to move off Cath because, like, my biases against authority might be creeping in. I'm just like, oh, you're an authoritative figure. Fuck you. I just immediately think she hadn't even talked yet. But I I wanna say Anthony, or not Anthony.
Jagger May:Is is his name Anthony Grasso? Yeah. Tony. First name?
Matt Kopfhamer:Tony. Yeah. Tony. Tony Grasso.
Jagger May:Yeah. Tony Grasso. My first guess for him is he just fits the profile. He keeps asking Tom questions, and I don't know if he's again, I'm just like a paranoid person. Maybe he's just trying to be established.
Jagger May:But when you think about someone who grew up poor, he brings up his mom. He's like he's like she was a single mother, worked three jobs. That is the type of target where you get involved in certain types of things early on, and you gotta think if maybe it becomes a county cop and just how deep this gang runs because we learned that the dark hearts are just like a subsidiary. They're they're yeah. They're they're basically like how Kroger has King Soopers and other stores.
Jagger May:They're just King Soopers. Kroger at the top over here where Perry comes from runs everything, and they already got these snitches. He just seems like a guy. But to your point, Lizzie's a top like, Mizzie's a messy gal. Like, I or, you know, and who's she on the phone with?
Jagger May:Who's like a a little fucking raccoon person? Maybe maybe he's a little gang member. Yeah. Fuck. And, like, are these a red herring?
Jagger May:Because I just don't think it's Aliyah. I don't mean to be shitty, but bi gangs are racist that she's black. So can we rule that out?
Matt Kopfhamer:It's probably her. Right? Like, the least likely.
SamanthaHolt:Suspect. You guys just broke down the other two, and I'm like, I wanna vote for Aaliyah just because I'd like to see someone this what's amazing about this show and the showrunners here and, like, from mayor of Easttown and bringing this to task and all of those nuances, the people it's the people that you least expect, and it's also the ones that you become most attached to that kind of get taken away from you in some way. I feel like Aliyah is just very, like, to the book, dialed in, and she's the most, like, focused on the task right now compared to the other two. So I feel like it totally could be her, and you can't just leave her out of the boat of terms of, like, who could be a snitch.
Jagger May:Yeah. And I definitely think that, and I love that you put, like, the sacrificial lambs because, man, Evan Peters in mayor of Easttown, that that was a what the fuck moment because it was just out of nowhere. He just gets blasted in the head. So it's just like, is Grasso and Lizzie, are they setting these up as our little you know, like, like, you're gonna really love this character, and then I'm gonna kill him. You know?
Jagger May:I think it's
SamanthaHolt:gonna be something like that.
Jagger May:Yeah. That's unfortunate here. I guess we'll move on because, yeah, we don't know who the Stitches are, but we definitely have these established connections because, again, you know, the I I think it's Delaware County. That small town vibe that we get from mayor of Easttown is is is the same thing here. Maeve obviously knows something here.
Jagger May:And, Koff, I'll kick it to you to start off. Explain because it's basically a blink if you missed it. What is her connection to this biker gang?
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. Absolutely. So you kinda have to rewind to a point where I believe it was part of the task force was talking about how this gang operates, how the dark arts operate. And they're not just these hopped up bikers who are selling to support their own habit. They are actually organized.
Matt Kopfhamer:They have a national structure. It's very much like sons of anarchy, right, where they are tight knit and and they run shit. And one of the things the, specialist mentioned is how they have this unique way of dealing with internal turmoil and rule breakers. And he tells the story about how they had an informant who told them that one of their members broke the rules, and so Jackson went over and beat him to death over a period of hours. And then we find out that that guy's name was Billy, who just happens to be in the name of Maeve's father who was, is dead, and Robbie's brother who, so I believe the connection is that Billy was in the gang and now we're seeing the fallout from his, murder by Jackson.
Matt Kopfhamer:And this is, how Robbie's getting back at the gang. And May he's trying to keep Maeve in the dark while also putting her right in the shit. So that line when she says, what have you done to us at the end of the episode is her reminding him like, hey, dumbass. We're connected to all these people. It's only a matter of time before they figure it out it's you.
Matt Kopfhamer:So I I think that's really the the one of at least several, like, jaw dropping moments in this show was like, holy shit. That's how this is all connected. They're not just neighbors. Like, they they are blood related to somebody that was involved in this. Yeah.
Jagger May:Now do you think that do you think because we have such an intimate connection between these characters, do you think that Robbie may have intentionally targeted this gang? Like, for hit, especially knowing that they killed his brother, he's like, I really don't give a fuck robbing these people. This is just restitution for me. Because maybe he doesn't know. I just have a hard time feeling that Robbie doesn't know.
Jagger May:Like, he's been in jail. He knows his shit. Sam? Yeah.
SamanthaHolt:No. I think that he definitely knows, and that was something that, Tony's character was bringing up. Like, it doesn't make sense that this group would be going after, you know, the dark hearts. And it it like, there's a lot that the FBI is saying. It doesn't make sense why they're targeting this gang, why they're targeting these gangs.
SamanthaHolt:Why go after these people? Why go after this specific gang? So this honestly, as soon as you said it, Kafa, I was like, this ties a nice bow around the why to me for Robbie in terms of like you said, Jag, it's restitution. It's some sort of getting back at them without killing. So that way they could come back towards the gang and steal from those that created the problem that messed up their family.
SamanthaHolt:Now, obviously, it all went to shit, but still, there was a reason why. And it's probably another reason why Robbie's kind of distancing himself from the violence of it all because he feels in some way, again, justified for his actions as to what they did to this gang. Now his friend is definitely out and freaking out about it, which is another whole level of this is like, who's gonna crack first?
Jagger May:And I feel bad for Maeve because if she wasn't, I would say, so close and I and I mean literally close because if they were just my cousins that I have, I love my cousins. I mean, like, y'all be safe. Deuces, I'm out. Like, straight up, if my uncle had did that, pulled that off, she knows better. She knows.
Jagger May:Like, get the fuck out. I'm just a manager out of a fucking Dave and Buster's. Like, I you know, put in a transfer request and requesting dip, but you love those kids. She probably knows that let's put it this way. Robbie's gonna die.
Jagger May:I just I have a hard time thinking that Robbie's gonna make it out alive from this. It's just a matter of who's going to get him, and then we're gonna talk about that, like, later. But what's gonna happen to all of Robbie's kids? What's gonna happen to that house? What kind of guilt would she have dipping out?
Jagger May:And we know that they're a gang. What type of retaliation would they have? You know? Straight up, you take our kid. I just don't think that them taking someone else's kid is out of the realm of of possibilities at this point.
Jagger May:And I'm just I'm just I'm genuinely scared for that entire family. And Robbie just the best thing he could do is turn himself in. That's the best thing that he could do is turn himself in.
SamanthaHolt:It's his safest thing. He's safer with the FBI agents than with this biker gang.
Jagger May:Yeah. Turn yourself in. Save your family.
Matt Kopfhamer:No. He's not. He'll get Epstein in prison.
Jagger May:He will, but at least his family can go to the FBI. What what what's gonna happen if he turns himself into the bikers? What they're gonna do. Like, it just that that is the only possibility that any anyone can live at this point, and I don't think he's gonna do it. But before we go any further, make sure you hit the like and subscribe button so we can stay with you and follow shows like Task.
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Jagger May:Because Maeve tried, and I'll get she she's a smart girl, man. She fucking tried. Because, legitimately, I couldn't even get get to that conclusion. I've I've been thinking ever since first episode, like, how do you get rid of this kid? Because even Cliff, Robbie's like, we'll just we'll just dump him.
Jagger May:Like, you you fucking sweet idiot, dude. You you sweet child of summer. Because even Cliff's like, we can't just dump a kid.
Matt Kopfhamer:Sweet summer child.
Jagger May:He's been in your house. He's seen your face. He he's like, well, what's your name? My name's Robbie.
Matt Kopfhamer:Name?
Jagger May:Yeah. I'm just like, buddy, dude. Like, this is if you are a film buff out there, and if you're watching Task, I'm assuming so, this is an this is a Cohen Brothers movie right now where the Cohen Brothers intentionally write characters that do everything wrong. If you watch Blood Simple, if you watch Burn After Reading, these are idiots who find themselves in a situation and it but things, it's not fucking funny. Literally, they wrote this out.
Jagger May:They're like, what if we did a Cohen Brothers movie and made it just as depressing and sad as it actually is, and none of it's funny? Like, this is what this is, man. So, Koff, we'll kick it to you. What can you do with Sam at this point? That what planned?
Jagger May:Can you do you think you could pull that off again? No.
Matt Kopfhamer:No. I mean, realistically, you have three options and all of them kinda suck. First option is what Maeve tried to do where it's like drop him and hope for the best, which at this point, probably a terrible idea because he can probably like this like Cliff said, lead the cops right back to you, lead the gang right back to your house. Second option is you gotta keep the kid long enough and treat him well enough that he gets Stockholm syndrome. You gotta just adopt him into your family and then convince him that his name isn't Sam anymore and terrible, terrible choice number two.
Matt Kopfhamer:And then third option is you put that kid six feet under. I mean, take your pick. That's probably the safest for you as the kidnapper, but it's also, like, the most risky if anybody finds out. So, again, there are no good options in this stage, but, really, those are the three most realistic options with Sam.
Jagger May:Yeah. I mean, that's it.
SamanthaHolt:Yeah. I I did love Maeve's plan, though, in terms of how she was trying to like, it was really well thought out for being like, okay, having that pensive moment of, like, how do I solve this for the rest of our family? And then trying to also give Sam some respect in terms of how she's treating him without scaring him, without being too forward about what the situation is or being like, we took you on accident and you're in a kidnap situation. Again, she was, I think, being really thoughtful of the family as well in terms of how she was trying to get rid of them. I don't know if you could even attempt to do that again to your same point, Koff.
SamanthaHolt:I don't know if that option is even on the table. And again, I don't think the Stockholm syndrome situation works because we're dealing with this in the modern era. And like they kept saying throughout the show, this kid's face is on everything. So there's just no way they'd have to move. I mean, maybe they could drop him in Canada.
SamanthaHolt:They were saying that they're getting fentanyl from across the border. Leave him a little bit further away. Give yourself some time to get away. That could work. But I feel like there's still there was there's flaws that it feels like in every plan they come up with.
SamanthaHolt:And even once that they it doesn't feel like Robbie's even trying to come up with a plan at this point. He's just like a couple of days. It's just a naive level of thinking of how long Sam's going be with her and how long he has left with his family is probably what he's thinking because he's not wanting to own up to the exact gravity of the situation.
Jagger May:Yeah. That's the and and I love that you thought that you thought about about how she thought about Sam. Not just like, how do I get Sam off my plate, but how do I make Sam feel safe? And and you she still couldn't do it. Like, you can't blame Sam No.
Jagger May:Because you're just like, you weren't with me, so I just came back to the the car. Like, I legitimately teared up. Like, I I was a foster care kid. Like, this kid's life is fucking terrible. He has two drug addict parents, then they send him to his grandma who has dementia at that point.
Jagger May:And and and this is just how foster care works. It's like like, their rules are to get you back to the parents as much as possible. And statistically, keeping the nuclear family is what's best for the kid in a vacuum. But if all they have is just they pass drug tests, they don't know what activity they're doing if they're not getting caught, and then you gotta go back to the kid. If anything, from Robbie and Maeve and and Cliff's standpoint, it's best case scenario because they really could kinda move this kid somewhere.
Jagger May:And he's such a a fall through the cracks type kid that you he could almost explain something away, but it's just it's just it's so heartbreaking, man. Like like and I told you guys pre show, like, these shows I like, and they're hard for me because I grew up in environments like this. I've been like a Sam type kid. And a lot of these people I am incredibly lucky to make it out of my situation, but there are just millions of people like Sam. There are millions of Maeves out there, and it's just what I call a crab in a bucket where I don't know if anyone knows this analogy, but crabs will only stay in a bucket because even if the top's open.
Jagger May:Because even when they try to crawl out, all of them are trying to crawl out. So they crawl on top of each other and pull them down so none of them get out of the bucket. And this is what this entire setting is. Just a lot of crabs in the buckets. A lot of people wanna get out, but all their methods of doing so just kinda pull themselves all down.
Jagger May:And it's just really depressing. I didn't put this on the show sheet, but I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about it because it's relevant, and I and I and I really thought about it. It just how fucked Robbie is even more because I didn't know that that bag was just drugs, man. I thought it was money. There when I found that out, I'm like, he's so fucked.
Jagger May:He's so fucked. I I know spoilers. I know a lot about this game. I'm just like I literally thought I was like, they need to check the fentanyl content on there because depending on how much or how little fentanyl I'm like, if it's a 100% pure cocaine, you can't sell it because you know how hard it is to get pure cocaine at this point? As soon as that product is sold, people are gonna talk, and then the gang's gonna find them.
Jagger May:I'm like, well, there's if it's pure fentanyl, I'm like, well, you're fucked too because then you're getting straight China. That's what they talked about. So I'm just like, oh my god. I like like, it's And
Matt Kopfhamer:and they even mention
SamanthaHolt:it. Yeah.
Matt Kopfhamer:In the episode, they even mentioned there's only one person that can actually move this kind of weight, and it's the Puerto Rican game. So as soon and they have connection with them. So as soon as you make that contact, he's gonna turn around to the biker game, but, hey, this dum dum's trying to sell me pure Fenty. I think it's yours. Here's his address.
Matt Kopfhamer:So, yeah, there's no way they can move this product without getting fucked 16 ways from Sunday.
Jagger May:And fun fact about fentanyl, if you guys didn't know this, it's incredibly dangerous. You can't even like, you can't peace out fentanyl.
Matt Kopfhamer:You breathe it.
Jagger May:You got peace out fentanyl. Like, cocaine, you could sell that shit one ounce at a time. You know? And it it's it's it's just like, Robbie, my boy. Like, it's like like, I just don't know what you're gonna do.
Jagger May:She's like, well, we just gotta sell the product first. Like, buddy, how? The only way you're gonna sell that is in a different fucking state at best. Like, that's at best at that point on there. It's just it's nuts, man.
Jagger May:Don't buy and sell drugs, guys. It's it's it's super fucking dangerous.
Matt Kopfhamer:The smartest the smartest thing Cliff and Robbie could do at this point is just drop that bag of drugs in the middle of fucking nowhere and leave it alone. Like, just drop it so somebody else finds it because there's no way you're gonna be able to move that product. And, god, how do you not check the bag the night of?
Jagger May:Yeah, dude.
Matt Kopfhamer:Like, I I get there was a lock on it, but Jesus. Like, bumbling
Jagger May:it is.
SamanthaHolt:They're not going to do that, though, because they met at the bar with and they were trying to meet up with their informant and they bounced, which shocker, like their contact wasn't going to show up. I kind of think feel like we all knew that was going to happen. But at the same time, they're Robbie's saying like, no, we're he's and then he's I forgot what his friend's name still need to get rid of this drug, Cliff. Yeah, still need to get rid of these drugs. And Robbie said, we'll just sell it.
SamanthaHolt:It's so easy. And he's not putting two and two together how traceable giant bag of drugs is and how quickly they're gonna get caught. And again, I think it's just like a level of naivety that he's got that is just gonna get everyone around him hurt. And whether or not at the end of the show, he ends up the one that's dead, I feel like there's going to be so much damage of others that are affected. Already Peaches is gone.
SamanthaHolt:His fiance probably got beat up along with her father, which we also saw towards the end of the show. There's just so many people that are going to get hurt because of Robbie's naivety. And, yeah, I feel like it's almost going to be worse if he has to live with all of these consequences and that on his soul the rest of his life of how many people got hurt because of this mistake.
Jagger May:I think Robbie's so dumb that they would kill themselves with the fentanyl. Like, I I I think that's legitimately a player at this point. Like like Try to cut it. Yeah, dude. Like, I'm trying to think that because I got a question, and I guess I guess I'll go ahead and skip to this.
Jagger May:It's like, what are our odds that that Robbie's gonna die at this point? Like like, the top one, I think it's like, we're negative money here. I say it's negative 100 that the gang gets him. I'll say it's even odds that the police get him. I'm willing to take the plus money that they're gonna try to cut that fentanyl and then him or Cliff die because they just, like, aren't smart.
Jagger May:They won't wear a mask. They won't do they won't, like, do something. No mask. Like, Mask just like, I genuinely think that I'm worried about the kids at this point as
Matt Kopfhamer:a Let's take a little taste. Be like, what's this like?
Jagger May:Yeah. Like like, do you have that shit around your kids? Like, my confidence level of Yeah.
Matt Kopfhamer:Why are they storing this?
Jagger May:Just put it in that car.
Matt Kopfhamer:I don't
SamanthaHolt:think about that. Safe.
Jagger May:Dude, it's just, like, let Robbie, you gotta go to jail, dawg. Like, I'm sorry. Like, it is better for everyone for Robbie if Robbie's in jail. I know that sounds fucked up, but he we we so let's have that family member member where it's like he is better off for everyone in jail than he is out.
SamanthaHolt:I'm sorry. I just had a thought because I said the drugs are in the trunk of the car. There's one car. Right? Robbie has one car.
SamanthaHolt:Is that the same car that Maeve drove to drop off Sam and he was in the trunk? Because at that point when she's going through the checkpoint, did she have not only Sam in the trunk with the drugs in
Matt Kopfhamer:the
Jagger May:car. Too? Think they
Matt Kopfhamer:She was driving a Ford.
Jagger May:Hopefully, they have separate cars.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. No. Yeah. No. No.
Jagger May:No. Interesting. Yeah. And another thing, the the throwback to their point that you did bring up is they the the informant not showing up, I think that kinda submits it more that it's probably Grasso or Lizzie down to there because, like, they had to stay longer in the house and shit. It was it was yeah.
Jagger May:It it that's kind of a more selling point that it it's one of those two.
Matt Kopfhamer:See, I took it the opposite way. I thought their context from inside the biker gang, and another reason it points to the sergeant at arms because they're at that bar and he texts them saying like, hey, can't make it. My boss is keeping me late. So it could be the FBI, but I I read it as the biker gang.
SamanthaHolt:Could be either of both of them.
Matt Kopfhamer:Stuck in the, like, vigil thing.
SamanthaHolt:Yeah.
Matt Kopfhamer:We could have a Mac from a MZ. Sonya So look out for a character. Mhmm. Play on both sides?
Jagger May:Yes. No matter what, I come out
Matt Kopfhamer:on top. Yeah. Look out for a character with the initials M m z.
Jagger May:I mean, that's what I'm saying, doc. Like, we can't rule it out. Like, we don't know anything. Like, this would be pretty smart. You just got one FBI agent.
Jagger May:Like like, it's like, here. Like, here's what's going on here, but I'm also snitching on this other guy to to rob you.
SamanthaHolt:It could be still be Aliyah too in terms of those that are
Matt Kopfhamer:like It's Matt Damon from it's Matt Damon from yeah. From the departed. Oh. It's Matt Damon's character.
Jagger May:Matt Damon's character. Oh. Yeah. That's a piece of shit. That, like, that that is a piece of shit.
Jagger May:Like, it's worth it being a cop or a robber, but, like, man, you are a fucker if you're a like, it's just like, I think I'm too hood for that because I'm just like, man, that is a piece of shit. Like, I like, I hate a fucking snitch, dog, on either side. I just like it's just like, don't snitch, guys. Don't do drugs. Don't snitch.
Jagger May:Like, these are the lessons that we try to to to teach you here. We've kind of focused on the gang side, but we got a huge
Matt Kopfhamer:You could be cool.
Jagger May:Well, you could be cool just like not that way. Let's talk about Tom because we got a big exposition dump on him. It was funny. We're talking about this this Gordian knot that Robbie has put himself in. But Tom, on the other side, I always wonder, I'm like, how much makeup and is that a fat suit to make Mark Ruffalo look that tired and dumpy.
Jagger May:But the actual character and what he's been through, Jesus Christ. We learned that he was a priest who was a crisis counselor, then he joins the FBI once he was done with being a crisis counselor. We're unsure if it's because of marriage or if he he's just done going from, you know, Columbine to to the the Tulsa bombing. Could be both. His kids, we learned, and this is kinda what we guessed, is that his son killed his wife, pushed her down the stairs, and now it's third degree murder, which we know isn't it it's borderline manslaughter, what that is.
Jagger May:It is manslaughter. It is manslaughter at that point.
SamanthaHolt:Yeah.
Jagger May:My my mother actually went to prison for third degree because of she had schizophrenia for that. I didn't even mean to to trauma dump like that mid pod. But a 100% horrible situation for him. My question is, Tom's kids, what the fuck? Saruman, I get being upset, but that's just how are you helping anybody by acting like that?
Jagger May:Like, how are you helping anyone by saying it's like that she's not really your mom. She's not really what per I get now why Tom was just like, your daughter's coming brother. Yeah. Your daughter's coming that excited, he's just like, You know? Sam, where you are with with with this?
Jagger May:Like, this like, do do you relate to how do you relate to them is hard is hard to ask. It's like Yeah. Do you at least empathize with any with Sarah? You know?
SamanthaHolt:You know, I I can try and find reasons why Sarah is being the way that she is. She's trying to rationalize and to distance from someone that she loved so dearly, her mother, to the person that offended. So she's trying to separate the two and therefore create a reason why or some sort of rationale how someone could do this to someone that they love. Well, maybe because they're not really family, maybe because they don't really love each other, maybe because of these things. She's trying to find reasons why to make it okay in her brain that it happened.
SamanthaHolt:And it's not okay to handle it the way she's handling it. I'm not trying to make it that way. But there's a lot of crazy reasons and things that people go through when they've dealt with a trauma like this to try to rationalize it, to try and find answers where there's no answers. Clearly, what happened was he had an episode. He got in a fight with his mom.
SamanthaHolt:And in that fight, he threw her down the stairs. And as a result of that, she died. And it's accidental. He pleaded guilty. He understands that to a level that he created the problem and he was the reason of this horrible thing that's happening.
SamanthaHolt:But his sister Emily is saying, like, okay, he has other problems, too. And just because, like, yes, he did something terrible, but he's not going to get better. And he is her brother and she wants him to get better. So I feel really, really the most emotion for Emily right now because she's so conflicted. She does want him to obviously pay for what he did, But she also cares about him on a deeper level of like, he's not going to get healthier in prison.
SamanthaHolt:He's just going to get worse. And because he's got some level of mental illness, she wants him to get that help. So I'm really curious how she's going to construct her statement that she's going to be giving. And I respect Tom for respecting her enough to give her the opportunity of like, if you want to say something, it is your opportunity to say something. She's not saying you're not allowed to say anything.
SamanthaHolt:We're all not doing anything. And that's what Sarah is so upset about. She's like, well, no, obviously, just let it happen. I really appreciate Tom from a father's standpoint of allowing Emily to be your own person and have her autonomy and make that decision herself. And I can see how upset Tom is that Sarah doesn't see that what he's doing for her as a sibling, as a loved one, as someone raised together.
SamanthaHolt:He would give her this choice. He wants to give her this choice as well. So I really appreciate Tom's standpoint on this, but it just sucks that everything Sarah says just makes you cringe.
Jagger May:It's hard. Like I said, I'm an adopted kid. I'm like, that is the shittiest thing you could say to someone. Sorry, cough. Go ahead.
Matt Kopfhamer:No. No. No. It's I I think it's not for nothing that obviously, she went through the trauma of losing her mom and, you know, rationalizing or trying to rationalize how her adopted brother could do this to their mother, but also being postpartum. Like she just had a child, she's drinking pretty heavily from the wine bottle.
Matt Kopfhamer:Like she's falling in Tom's footsteps from the drinking standpoint. So it's like, you have this confluence of emotional turmoil as well as the fact that your body's probably going through hormonal changes after having a a child. Mhmm. And so, yeah, what she said was shitty, but at the same time, it's like her feelings are valid. Like, her mother was taken from her, and it came from inside the house.
Matt Kopfhamer:No pun intended. Yeah. So, unfortunately, like, that kind of psychological trauma on top of being pregnant and giving birth and your husband apparently being some sort of lawyer or or high powered attorney or or, maybe CPA because he's he's interviewing with a firm Mhmm. Who knows what kind of support she's getting at home from her own husband. So she may be feeling abandoned and out to sea with being a mom, losing a mom, dealing with, you know, dealing with, drinking habit, which may be spiraling out of control.
Matt Kopfhamer:So all these things coming together doesn't excuse what she said, but may put into context how she's expressing her house herself poorly.
Jagger May:And I appreciate that cough because, like, again, like, she is going through it, you know, and dealing with it poorly. And it's just so again, it's just easy for me to relate to, like, adopted kids with, like, problems and shit like that. And it's just again, it just speaks to, like, all the the weight that Tom has to deal with. And you really think like, you see episode one, you're like, this guy's barely hanging on. And you kinda you kinda feel like, man, he should hang it up.
Jagger May:And if anything yeah. You feel bad for him. You know, you don't feel like he's a complete piece of shit, but you're like, man, Tom, kinda, like, get it together. Like, stop watching birds. Now after seeing, like, season two or episode two, you're you're obviously applauding.
Jagger May:It's like, how is he doing so well? Like, how how are you going to fucking work every day? You know? And a of that is
Matt Kopfhamer:Are you getting up?
Jagger May:Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like, it's just I I it it kinda flip flopped. It's like, again, I didn't think he's a piece of shit, but, like, now I'm like, bro, you're a fucking soldier.
Jagger May:Like, you are a soldier even being alive right now dealing with things that we weren't even able to. And then here's another reason why I I first thought that Kathleen might be an informant because the way the biker game described him, he's just a pencil pusher. He's nobody. Like, it felt so intentional that they brought Tom on because I'm like, he's a crash out. He's going through there's no way that this is gonna get done.
Jagger May:That that it's I'm not gonna lie. That's kinda why I still have a hard time even just with IMDB really putting away Kathleen away. I I I till that whistle blows, I'm gonna be looking at her like like dokes from fucking Dexter. I'm just like, I can't prove it, but I think something's wrong. You know?
Jagger May:That's where I'm at. Fair. To bring it back to to the gang here, I I just wanna spend a brief moment on this on Peach Boy, man. That poor imagine meeting someone online that is your soulmate, and then he this fucking happens, man. This kudos to the dad.
Jagger May:Like, I have questions here. Did the was the dad living there? And then she lived with the mom, and she's like, oh, my dad lives there. So I can date you. So I'm gonna move here.
Jagger May:Or was the dad like, fuck it. We'll all move to go meet this guy on Facebook dating or some like, you know, they're not on Tinder. That's a Facebook dating type shit, and they get caught in that. That was my big question there.
SamanthaHolt:I feel like he probably flew in for the situation. Like, he'd he like, even just, like, coming into the kitchen with the FBI with the dad sitting there, he's not giving lives in this area kind of vibes. Also, naive to open the door that late at night. He doesn't live around there. So I definitely feel like he flew or traveled in.
Matt Kopfhamer:He's from Ohio.
SamanthaHolt:Yeah. So he definitely came in from this to join up. So I definitely don't feel like he's from the area by any means. But yeah, awful for the dad opening the door. Hello?
SamanthaHolt:Yep. That's the next screaming man.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like, the the and again, this, like, goes back to, like, fucking Robbie, man. Like, you guys left that body. Like like, it everything that the only thing they didn't the only thing they did right were wearing mask before they went in. That's the only thing I think they did correctly and I don't think it was enough, man, obviously.
Jagger May:So, it's just it's just a lot. We'll finish on on Grasso and Lizzie. Clearly, they're gonna bang. Right? It's just like I said I was gonna say it definitely, and I did.
Jagger May:It's it's You told
SamanthaHolt:us we couldn't say it that way. Why are you saying I it that
Jagger May:couldn't think fast enough, Sam.
SamanthaHolt:Are they gonna hook up?
Jagger May:Oh, okay. Are they going to hook us?
Matt Kopfhamer:They're gonna do the horizontal shuffle? Yes. They are.
SamanthaHolt:She's dealing with a terrible ex and separation situation. And, yeah, it's it I don't know. Maybe.
Jagger May:Yeah. They're they're in their little task house. They're turning that crack house into a crack home together with with pizza and whatnot. Yeah. Know?
SamanthaHolt:Turning this place into a home.
Jagger May:Yeah, man. It just, like and him being a DJ is crazy. Because, like, that little nugget that he's a hustler, at least in, like, a kind method, makes me wanna temper back that he might be an informant. Because, like, right now, I'll give my order. Lizzie and Kathleen are tied for first for me Okay.
Jagger May:As like in four minutes. They're tied. Second is is Grasso or let's say third just by default there. Just because like, he's so likable. So I think he's gonna be our sacrificial lamb.
Jagger May:If anything, maybe that, you know, like, like, oh, this sweet dude who's, like, the only normal one who isn't disinfecting his laptop and isn't dealing with a little raccoon x on the phone, and he's gonna get capped by somebody, and I I'm just not ready. Are they gonna make me love Kristen Cole cough? Are they gonna are they gonna flip it on us? It's hard he's hard to look at right now. The accent helps.
Jagger May:They can.
Matt Kopfhamer:They can't do it, man. I I even when he's speaking with the American accent, I hear Kristen Cole in the background. I'm like, fuck you. Yeah. Fuck you.
Jagger May:Yeah. He's crashed that over with No. The
Matt Kopfhamer:The kingmaker is
Jagger May:No. Kingmaker, he's he's my top one to die off the task, babe. But we'll end it oh, Sam. Go ahead.
SamanthaHolt:Just no. I was actually gonna say just because you're leaning so hard into, like, it's either Lizzie, it could be Grazo. I still actually really like the idea that it's Aliyah. And if Grazo and Lizzie continue to get closer and Aliyah continues to stay distant, that's going to be a really big indicator to me that she is the informant because maybe she's getting the direction to be the snitch from above. So it kind of brings in your Kathleen theory a little bit in terms of the upper part of the FBI or the upper part of management in the vicinity, because these are all cops coming together for a task force, want to bring down the dark hearts from a different direction.
SamanthaHolt:And she could see the justice in that from like a directional standpoint. So still think it could be her.
Jagger May:I'll consider it, Sam. I consider you the brains of our group. So I'll let you have that. We'll end it right there. We'll be back next week to talk about episode three of task.
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Jagger May:We love you. We'll see you on the next
SamanthaHolt:locked in. You're ready to go.
Jagger May:Yeah. I got Jen's tank top.
SamanthaHolt:I saw.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like Nice. I I definitely think it's a woman's shirt because, like, it has these titty these titty spots, but it actually works
Matt Kopfhamer:Titties.
Jagger May:Like, because I have you know, like I was
SamanthaHolt:gonna say. It's the cleavage is cleavaging. It's cleavaging nicely for you.
Jagger May:I don't know if
SamanthaHolt:you can do that thing where you can make them dance, but good for you.
Jagger May:Yeah. Right. Now now I'm actually, like, sore, so it hurts. But, yeah, I could do the whole thing. So it's just like like, I don't hate it, Jeff.
Jagger May:I'm like, yeah. It's like, do I start buying women's cuts? I'm saying, so I'm still
SamanthaHolt:They cradle.
Jagger May:Yeah. Actually, Rich called me out on last show. He's like, will you stop flexing? And I'm like, it's actually because I'm sore and I'm spasming and it hurts. Yeah.
Jagger May:Alright. Block in.
Matt Kopfhamer:It's called the pump. Can't help it.
Jagger May:Thank you, cough. You get it. We got Tom's backstory. Who's gonna crap? Who's gonna crap?
Jagger May:I'm gonna crap. Yeah.