On today's episode of Unbinge, we're talking about Peacemaker season two, episode five. We got the Prime Eagle reveal and what the hell could that mean? It might actually be really important going forward for Peacemaker and Peacemaker and a bunch of the other characters are now going to be in the alternate dimension. How are they getting back? What are going to be the consequences of that?
Alfredo Brown:Plus, we've got loads of manta ray fun facts that you guys can quiz us on on an auto episode of Unvenged starting now. Welcome to Unbinge, the podcast where we break down the shows and movies you love to binge. I'm your host, Alfredo Brown. Join us always. I got Jagger May, Matt Coffamer.
Alfredo Brown:We're going to be talking about the biggest questions and theories we have as we break down Peacemaker season two episode five. And guys, one of the big things I really wanna talk about is this reveal with Eagly as the prime eagle and why it's actually more important than people think. But first, let's get the spoiler warning.
Jagger May:This is your one warning that we're about to spoil everything that's happened in the DCU and in peacemaker. Did you know that Manta Ray is actually pancake of the sea?
Alfredo Brown:Alright. So throughout this season, I've been wondering what the hell is going to be the payoff with Red Saint Wild being in this show hunting down Eagly. Like, is it just for fun? Jim's kind of talked about being very, very particular with what he's putting into this show and very purposeful with it. And it seems like we could be getting the payoff here where we get this reveal that Eagly is the prime eagle.
Alfredo Brown:But what does that mean exactly? Like, he's not just some super powered eagle. It does appear, guys, as we see this, he kind of controls the one just like avian council of birds that is just like flying through the forest there. Interesting theory here is that as the prime eagle, Eagly could be connected to the red, not to be confused with Red Saint Wild, but the red is the same. If, you know, if you've seen Black Panther and Marvel, it's almost like the ancestral plane, but for but for animals.
Alfredo Brown:And like, that's something that Beast Boy and Animal Man are are attached to. Cough, I want to start this with you because you have kind of been sniffing out this whole Eagly thing. And even preshow, we were just like, nah, we don't want to talk about Eagly. And then we're like, shit. Okay.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. This might be the biggest thing coming out of this episode.
Jagger May:Oh, cops right again. Honestly,
Matt Kopfhamer:it kinda makes me me of when James Gunn talks about this, like, initial phase of the DCU and it being about gods and monsters. And that's why he started with, like, Superman, and, we're getting super girl or or super girl soon. So I wonder if this could be the way he opens the door to, like you said, the red and the green with, like, Swamp Thing. And this is how we get some of those more monstrous, like, magical elements of the DCU to be opened up And in a project that you may not expect that, which, you know, a peacemaker who would think that this would be the gateway to something like the red in the DCU. So I think, hopefully, we get a bigger reveal or payoff with Eagly here in the next couple of episodes versus this just kind of like you said, we spent a lot of time with Eagly this season.
Matt Kopfhamer:And if it's just the reveal, oh, the prime eagle, if that's the only reveal, that's kind of a waste of, like, twenty minutes of screen time, it seems like over four episodes. So I hope we get a bigger reveal. And I hope Eagly either has a big part to play in the in the finale where he, like, saves the day kinda like Crypto did in Superman, or it leads to a bigger name like a swamp thing or a beast boy.
Jagger May:I I I love the the plug of what you said of Superman because it does seem like very James Gunny. He's just like the animal's gonna be the hero here. And I love and hate that for James Gunn because it's, like, sweet. But at the same time, I I don't know. Like, it's it's a little Disney movie, but, like, not, if that makes sense.
Jagger May:You know? Like, he he has his own little Disney animal princesses, and I guess I love that for him. You know? But, like, again, Koff, I'm I'm proud of you for for sniffing this one out because it does seem like it the writing's just right there on the wall. You know?
Jagger May:Like, there's no way you could waste Michael Rooker like that to come in to be a bumbling idiot just to get offed that fast. I just don't buy it. You know?
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. What I kinda like about this is that it's something where he James Gunn, it could be just introducing a concept, but you don't necessarily need it to tie to anything else in the future. It's just a concept that can be self contained in this story, but then also matter in another story because we know we are going to get Teen Titans later on. That is confirmed that Teen Titans is going to be happening in this DCU. I can't think of a better way to establish something with Beast Boy, but not have to have a Beast Boy cameo or some sort of lead into Beast Boy or anything like that.
Alfredo Brown:It's just like, hey, the red exists. That's it. It could just be a nice connective tissue.
Jagger May:I think it'd be hilarious that the homework that James Gunn gives people is just so unserious compared to Marvel. And if it's just like, well, what's the red? Well, you gotta watch this specific episode of Peacemaker where Michael Walker walks around in a racist outfit and tries to hunt him.
Alfredo Brown:And a novelty sized gun.
Jagger May:Oh my god. He's like, Albert Fudd with that gun,
Jagger May:bro. Like like,
Jagger May:to me, that that's kinda fucking hilarious. It's like how I used to tell people, if you wanna watch Star Wars and don't watch the whole thing, watch Family Guy Star Wars, and you'll get the gist
Jagger May:of it. Like, that that's how James Gunn feels. I love
Alfredo Brown:those so much.
Jagger May:They're so good, man. So
Alfredo Brown:I'm wondering here with Eagly, it's not just that, oh, he could have these powers and be super powered, but we come to find out quickly in this alternate dimension, there is no other Eagly. Like, he's there in the room and Keith is like, what's up with the bird, man? And he's like, Oh, it's a rescue eagle. He's going to be my new sidekick and fly around with me. I'm wondering if that could potentially mean there is no eagle in any of these other alternate universes, and that's what makes him the prime eagle.
Alfredo Brown:There can only be one, right? He's the fucking Highlander and Eagles. He's the
Matt Kopfhamer:anchor being.
Alfredo Brown:Oh my god. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. And I wonder here, like, you know, James Gunn likes to do this where animals matter a lot more in these stories than usual. And I can see it right now. There's gonna be one of those things where Peacemaker, Harcourt and the whole gang, you get to a point where it's like, how are they going to get that of this one?
Alfredo Brown:And Eagly summons all of the nearby animals to help get them out. And that's where I could see this being something where Eagly becomes the most important character in this show. And I almost think they're kind of hinting at it too in the intro where he's like the the last one on top of the pile of bodies where he's just got the the wings spread out. It just seems like a good way to make this a little like Chris Smith thing, the the whole romance thing, all these people dealing with their problems. Meanwhile, Eagly is just like, yeah.
Alfredo Brown:I'm really fucking cool.
Matt Kopfhamer:It's kinda like you think about it. Lord of the Rings, where the Eagles at the end of the day save the day because they swoop in last minute. Take them to Mordor. Yeah.
Jagger May:Just imagine this, like, an almighty
Alfredo Brown:Never seen that film.
Jagger May:Just like yeah. Alfredo's never seen Lord of the Rings before. Like, not even this month.
Alfredo Brown:Not even this week.
Jagger May:Almighty call, and then he just summons everybody. You know? Like, that's it just seems destined to happen. Because it's like you said, they're they're gonna run themselves into a Gordian knot, and the only way that you can cut through all that is with a fucking eagle at that point. You know?
Jagger May:I will say that if Eagly does come out on top, they've like, where where does he lie in the DCU hierarchy now to, like, quote The Rock at that point? Like, is it Above
Alfredo Brown:it's it's Eagly, Black Adam. Yeah. Ezra Miller is the flesh. Got it.
Jagger May:Yeah. Ezra Miller is definitely at the bottom. Like, that's where it starts. Then you got Jimmy Olsen. Oh, excuse me.
Jagger May:You got a fucking Eve, Tessamox. Tessamox. Oh, yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Shrimp cocktail toes?
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. You know, it's it's funny. Jokingly, earlier in the season, I said if Crypto and Eagly teamed up, like, any problem would be solved in, like, five seconds. And now it seems confirmed. So
Alfredo Brown:What if that's the cameo? What if that's who Eagly summons?
Matt Kopfhamer:I'm about it.
Alfredo Brown:I'm fucking mad. Who eagerly summons in this alternate universe?
Jagger May:The toxic male in me won't accept that. Like
Alfredo Brown:like Check.
Jagger May:I don't know.
Alfredo Brown:Be so mad.
Jagger May:I'm gonna be like, look. I need some you know, I just fucking, like, luther immediately. Yeah. One a. One a.
Jagger May:One a.
Jagger May:Just punch it out of fucking eagle.
Alfredo Brown:No. We do not promote punching dogs on this show.
Jagger May:No. Oh, yeah. That would be cruelty.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah.
Jagger May:That's fucked. I'm sorry to the eagle population.
Alfredo Brown:The eagle population, dog population, everyone in the alternate dimension.
Jagger May:My words do not reflect the unbenched pod.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Yeah. What a time, Jack.
Jagger May:Boo boo
Alfredo Brown:boo. Careful. So okay. Are you guys okay with this? Like, would that be a scenario where you're like, alright.
Alfredo Brown:I guess Eagly saves the day for everything. Would that feel a little cheap? Almost kind of like we've seen this before. Crypto saves the day. Groot saves the day.
Alfredo Brown:This sort of becomes James Gunn's MO. Is are you okay with that? Can we just hand wave it away? Because, hey, it's peacemaker. It's supposed to be fun.
Jagger May:Depending on how characters to fix their problems. I don't know, man. That's just where I'm at. Like like, if this was the first or second time, I would allow it. But it's like you said, the fun mascot always seems to be the hero at the end.
Jagger May:And I just need I'm I'm like I feel like I'm in, like, the reality competition show where it's just like, well, you've given me Thai dish three times in a row now. I need to see what else you can do, chef. You know, that's kind of where I'm at. You know? I watch a lot of MasterChef guys.
Jagger May:It's like
Alfredo Brown:Jack's got three comps for everything. Anime, cooking shows. I overplayed my hand. No. You only have two comps for everything.
Alfredo Brown:No. Sorry.
Jagger May:Jim, you missed Oh,
Alfredo Brown:the gym. Damn it. I was so close. God, what were you gonna say?
Matt Kopfhamer:Oh, I was just gonna say if it's if it's an a scenario where he just lends an assist. Like, I could see with the the way the jet packs have been played the last few episodes. I could see him coming in, you know, knocking out, excuse me, Blue Dragon's jet pack in in a fight, and maybe that that causes, like, an assist. Assist. If that's the case, I'm cool with it.
Matt Kopfhamer:If it's completely, like, Eagle saves the day completely, then it's like, alright. This is a little tired. Move on. Run a new play, please.
Jagger May:And I will say, to give Japes Gunn credit, I don't think crypto saved the day. He had a funny moment that kinda killed the speech a little bit, but it wasn't so much that crypto
Alfredo Brown:saved the day with him and Ultraman. Right.
Matt Kopfhamer:In the
Alfredo Brown:Remember when Superman is saying brains over brawn, and he has the whistle, and then Yeah. Crypto knocks out Ultraman and then he goes and takes out all of the like, maybe he doesn't directly do it, but then he goes and takes out all the little cameras. Like, this could be a thing where Eagly does just enough where Peacemaker saves himself and the gang. And, like, it's I don't know, man. I don't know.
Alfredo Brown:I I don't think I'm it's gonna bother me, but it's kinda just watching the same playbook over and over.
Jagger May:Yeah. I I I guess what I'm saying is, like and maybe we're talking both sides out of our mouth. We're just bitching fans that we're not gonna be happy because it's
Alfredo Brown:Let's like just be happy.
Jagger May:Yeah. It's just like, I want this to matter, but I don't want homework. You know? Right.
Jagger May:It's just Like, maybe
Jagger May:we should just, like, enjoy it.
Alfredo Brown:We're also the same people that are like, oh, did they kill Eagly? Yeah. But I don't want him to matter too much. Like, just let him be cool and cute. You know?
Alfredo Brown:We're such assholes.
Jagger May:We're such
Jagger May:assholes. We're sorry, guys. We caught ourselves mid action. Like, it's like, let's stop being cunts about it.
Alfredo Brown:You already gave us a buzzer. It's fine.
Matt Kopfhamer:This is why we can't have nice things, guys.
Alfredo Brown:No. No. Alright. We're gonna keep talking more about this because I wanna talk about, the consequences of being as alternate dimension, the eleventh street kids, judo Master, Rick Flag, Sasha Bordeaux. There's a lot of this.
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Alfredo Brown:So much coming up. So make sure you are subscribed to Unvenged. Guys, this episode ends with Peacemaker going to the alternate universe, potentially with judo master as well. See in the promo for next week that the rest of the Eleventh Street kids are on their way to this alternate dimension, and they do get there. So what do we think ends up being the fallout of that?
Alfredo Brown:Because if it's everything we've been saying that this is a potentially Nazi controlled whites only universe, there's some people who are not gonna be very welcomed.
Matt Kopfhamer:Cough? Oh, yeah. No. I think it's gonna be Did
Alfredo Brown:you forget we were at the pub?
Jagger May:No. No. I thought
Matt Kopfhamer:I thought Jagger was gonna go first. My bad. I think, obviously, somebody like Adebayo in a in a white supremacist universe is gonna have a hard time. So how are they going to be, discreet enough to where they don't cause an uproar while still being able to get peacemaker hopefully back? What I'm more interested in is, was judo master successful in in not only following peacemaker into the rift, into the the closet itself, but was he able to get through the second door into the alternate universe, Or is he stuck in that closet just wandering around going door to door hoping to find him?
Matt Kopfhamer:Because I think that could be a funny montage.
Alfredo Brown:See, now I'm gonna be the curmudgeon again, and it's just like, I don't want the funny montages anymore. Like, I feel like we've had so much of it to the point that like, I don't remember I was the guy that didn't love Deadpool and Wolverine because that's just all it felt like without actually getting something of value. And I want that. This is a good character. We have had a good story.
Alfredo Brown:I kind of want to
Matt Kopfhamer:see some
Alfredo Brown:real consequences for them going into this universe. Hate to say it, wanna see people die. I don't know that I wanna see Judo Master make it out of this. I think the jokes, it's the same thing over and over. I do and I know we're we're probably getting the comments right now that I'm just an asshole about it.
Alfredo Brown:But I I wanna see something bigger than just another funny another joke is the payoff. Like, I wanna see something bigger.
Jagger May:And and I guess even let's give creature commandos credit. It was silly, but everything mattered, and it made you, like, feel stuff almost every time. And and I feel like season one of peacemaker did that. Early in this season, it did that. And now we and they keep telling us that it's going to land, you know, but, like, I really I just don't trust people anymore than that.
Alfredo Brown:Them continuously promoting the last three episodes are going to knock your socks off. Well, it's like this show hasn't been bad, but the first five episodes sort of feel like the first like they could have just been the first three. Like, it doesn't really feel like we need to stretch it out like this.
Jagger May:And it comes to points like, Okay, you're making it weird. It's just kind of like your friend. It's just like it's like, I promise there's no serial killers at this party. It's like, I wasn't worried, but you keep bringing it up.
Alfredo Brown:So It's it's it's like the guy that brags to all the women that he's got a huge dick. Oh, yeah. You just
Jagger May:know that small.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Like, that's kinda what this feels like right now. They're like, just wait. Wait till those final three episodes, man. You guys are gonna lose your mind.
Alfredo Brown:And it's like, if we don't I feel like they're almost setting themselves up for failure. Like, if it doesn't blow our minds, we're gonna be disappointed. Like, just let it happen. Just let it happen because, like, this is a show and and a concept and a character that people love. Mhmm.
Jagger May:I I will say we are set up to have, like, a fun three episode arc of, like, a multiverse adventure. And I don't mean we're like, I hope we don't get Montage Fest because it's like you said, Alfredo. It's like when you go on vacation and you're traveling a bunch, you're eating a lot of fast food and bullshit. And by the time you wanna get home, you're like, I really wanna eat something of substance that, like Mhmm. Doesn't make me wanna shut myself.
Alfredo Brown:I can't keep having cruise ship pizza here every single day.
Jagger May:Yeah. Exactly. Like, there's a time and a place, like, I love me a cheeseburger, but I'm starting to get thick.
Alfredo Brown:You know? Another Mickey waffle, and I'm gonna lose my shit.
Jagger May:Yeah. Exactly. That's that's where I
Jagger May:think you're at, and I think that's fair. You know? Like like, I'm I'm ready to get to the goods. You know? Like, I'm tired of you know?
Jagger May:Again, that's like like enough Mickey waffles. You know, give me an omelet. You know? Give me
Matt Kopfhamer:give me
Alfredo Brown:some And this like, dude, I love I love DC. I absolutely love DC. I I I think that's why I'm being so, like, cautious with this. Like, I really want this to hit.
Matt Kopfhamer:So what do you think the argument's gonna be from Harcourt and the eleventhree's kids to Chris to actually get him to come back? Or do you think it's gonna fail? Do you think their first attempt he's they're gonna go to him and be like, hey. You belong back with us. And he's like, no.
Matt Kopfhamer:Fuck you. This place is way better. And you already rejected me. So why am I gonna go back? You guys leave.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. And that could be the this next episode.
Jagger May:Yeah. It's like you're give them ultimatums. You're gonna be like, okay. Tell Rick Flack senior to fuck off. Tell everyone to forgive me for killing a bunch of people.
Jagger May:Do you wanna marry me? Okay. Well, all those things I have here in this world, you know, that's because I agree with that. That's what I said at the beginning. Like like, Economos has the right idea.
Jagger May:He's not killing himself. He's not like he's like, I'm on the edge, and I'm like, sorry. I'm not making a joke out of the light, but that's kind of what they are treating it as. And it's almost like a little selfish of him a little bit. If he's truly not happy, then that's one thing.
Jagger May:Now let's just talk about the other side of this. Little judo master's gonna roll up in there, and I do like that judo master's first. And Alfredo, I don't think he just I don't know if he's long for this world because, like, imagine if Adebayo went in there first. You know? Like, it's almost like Judo Master's gonna be the first colored in colored person that's gonna go in there, and he can get the the the first, oh, fuck.
Jagger May:It's a brown person and, like, flip the fuck out. Yeah. Exactly. Gonna mistake. Yeah.
Jagger May:Yeah. So, like, that's kind of what I if Juno Master makes it, that's fine. I don't know when the the the Cheetos are gonna tear up the lighting of his stomach, but it seems like either racism's gonna
Alfredo Brown:kill him or the Cheetos will. You never know. It's really only one or the other.
Jagger May:If this is a white universe, are there hot Cheetos? Are there too spicy
Jagger May:for people
Matt Kopfhamer:out here?
Alfredo Brown:Oh my god. It's only Cheeto Pups in this universe.
Jagger May:There's no Takis, guys. There might not be Takis.
Alfredo Brown:Oh my god.
Jagger May:You gotta get them straight from the teat in Mexico there. Can't The teat.
Matt Kopfhamer:It's only white people tacos, and that's it.
Jagger May:Sour cream and hard shells,
Matt Kopfhamer:folks.
Alfredo Brown:Just hamburger helper in there. I don't think that it's gonna be the eleventh Street kids even convincing Peacemaker or Chris to come back. I actually think it's going to be circumstance. And I think it's going to be one of two or maybe both things, which is going to be the obvious reveal as to what this alternate dimension actually is. And the other thing is going to be this.
Alfredo Brown:I think we're going to run into a time where Rick Flag senior and Sasha Bordeaux are going to be arresting all of the Eleventh Street kids in some form or fashion. Like if they go back, there could be something where they each get wrangled up by Rick Flag Senior. Like, I think it's gonna be one of these things like, I've got to go back to save my friends or it's gonna be, ah, everyone's a racist. I kind of don't want to be here anymore. Because I do think, like, the whole reason that I would not think like we we saw the whole reason that Peacemaker leaves this alternate universe is that he doesn't have any relationship left with Amelia Harcourt.
Alfredo Brown:Like, she says that she never had any real feelings for him.
Jagger May:She lassied him, though. That was the last treatment.
Alfredo Brown:Of course, of course. But like, if he does come to the realization that there is something, I think that's the Harcourt that he wants to be with, not this fake version of the other one that really doesn't know anything about him. You know, it's it's it's like it's like any early 2000s movie where it's like someone pretending to be someone they're not. And then you find out later and they're like, Well, I fell in love with you the whole time. Like, I don't know.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah.
Jagger May:That Amelia Harcourt looks like she's like a desk jockey. She dresses like she has an Etsy shop. You know? Where she's a dog.
Matt Kopfhamer:Arctisimal soaps.
Jagger May:Yeah. I mean, she
Alfredo Brown:And I'm a candle maker, but you don't
Jagger May:see me bragging about it. Yeah. She puts like witchy in her bio on Tinder and shit like that. Oh, she definitely has. You're not witchy because you like Halloween, you know, like, calm down.
Alfredo Brown:She has a workspace and an office for sure.
Jagger May:She has
Matt Kopfhamer:her astrology signs up on her on her profile.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. So we mentioned Rick Flag senior, and a lot of what happens in this episode is based on on his actions, what he does here, and Sasha Bordeaux, the other one. Like, so we have the whole scene where he tells Flurry and everyone to close the blinds, turn off the video cameras. Basically, I'm going to beat the shit out of Peacemaker. And he proceeds to do that.
Alfredo Brown:And Peacemaker takes like a champ, man. He takes a knee to the throat or the jaw, which like that made me wince just looking at that. But what's going on here with flag and Bordeaux? Because in the credit, like the post credit interview that they do. So Rodriguez is talking about how Sasha's kind of attracted to Rick Flag and his commitment to getting revenge for his son and how serious he takes his job here at Argus that there is a a weird sexual tension between them.
Alfredo Brown:Jag, is that We're gonna something you're you're picking up on?
Jagger May:Yeah. Rick Flag has sexual tension with every woman he's around. Let's just be honest.
Alfredo Brown:That's true. Creature commandant.
Jagger May:You already banged your branches. Yeah. Like, he's just as someone no. I was almost said it.
Jagger May:I was like, I almost said it.
Jagger May:Now it's like like, I whatever. Like, they're attracted to him. Get it.
Alfredo Brown:Greg Flag has a harem.
Jagger May:Yeah. He has callback. Yeah. I was supposed to see as a harem, but, like, a superhero. But it it it's more the archetype of people that you're attracted to.
Jagger May:You know? And why are we attracted to Harcourt? It's like, wow. This is a badass chick that all she cares about is submission, and she can kick the fuck out of people. Who is Rick Flag to women?
Jagger May:You know, it's not that hard to see why, like, Rick Flag's attractive. He's also, like, the boss, and he's got Riz. So that just happens. You know? It's just it it's a burden.
Jagger May:Not everyone has it, and some people do.
Jagger May:A burden. It's more of
Matt Kopfhamer:a purist jagger. Come on.
Alfredo Brown:Jack's like, it's my cross to bear. You know? I'm a sex addict.
Matt Kopfhamer:Insert Idris meme from The Office. Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:So who do who do we think makes out of this? Do we think do we think Rick Flag senior, Sasha Bordeaux, the eleventh Street
Jagger May:Kids, June Masters?
Alfredo Brown:Okay. Okay. Interesting. Feel like you
Jagger May:red flag to make it out. But, like, Bordeaux is like I mean this literally on how you would say it in writing, not that, like, the character itself is trash. She's a throwaway character. You know? She comes in
Matt Kopfhamer:She's literally a red Literally a red shirt. Her name is Bordeaux. Like
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Practice squad player.
Jagger May:Plus. She's she's there to get jobbed out, essentially.
Matt Kopfhamer:Plus she's she's a sideboard. So there's always the option where they can kill her and then have her come back because she she's a cyborg. So there's always that possibility.
Jagger May:Rickety cricketer, just make her come back worse and, like, more robotic.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. Go literally Nebula. Just pull a Nebula with her. Every time she comes back on screen, she's new part. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:I I want her to stay, but for
Jagger May:very, very different reasons.
Matt Kopfhamer:For personal reasons.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah. This has nothing to do with the story. Because
Jagger May:Alfredo loves the plot. Let's put it that way.
Jagger May:I should. The
Alfredo Brown:plot. Great in those pants. So I I think we lose Judo Master. Yeah. I think I think it's probable we lose Rick Flag senior in some sort of character arc.
Alfredo Brown:I know that vengeance isn't bad for me anymore. Or vengeance is bad for me. Excuse me. Type thing. I'm wondering if we lose any of the Eleventh Street kids.
Alfredo Brown:I don't think we will.
Jagger May:Adebayo would be one that'd be most impactful. You can't kill me.
Matt Kopfhamer:I could see a con. I could see a con.
Jagger May:What's Steve Agey gonna do?
Alfredo Brown:Oh, you think? No. But, like, that would that would make
Matt Kopfhamer:sense because, like, himself Eric Dirac, he's no longer a coward because he sacrificed himself
Jagger May:to not be anymore. Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe Flurry. Like, Flurry seems like a guy that could easily be
Jagger May:A jobber. He's a jobber. Yeah. Like, Tim Meadows has never lasted a full season of a TV show. Like like, hardly.
Jagger May:You know? It's either the network's gonna cancel it or he's gonna die or get rid of him. So
Alfredo Brown:speaking of agent Flurry, we kinda see that when John Economos is booking Chris Smith into the system, he sort of gives him the nod, the same nod that he gives him the first time when he meets him out at the Argus truck. And he just, like, kind of tells him, It's good that you did that. You know, there's a very don't want to say obvious, but it seems to be just like a growing fracturing of Argus where there are people that want to do the right thing. And there's kind of still shadow government that's always been there when it was Amanda Waller now to Rick Flag to Sasha Bordeaux. Like, it's just kind of these people aren't really looking out for the best interest of anyone.
Alfredo Brown:They're just looking out for the best interest of themselves.
Jagger May:Yeah. I I was gonna say, to believe it or not and I know Argus is, like, the grand scheme of things, way more important than what any of us may do on our our day to day job. But it's very indicative of any job where you ever get annoyed where you're just like, I am tired of whatever fucking agenda this is. Like, I just wanna show up to work and do my job. You know?
Jagger May:Like like so for for what we do, it's just like, hey. Remember when we made content for a living and didn't play a game of pods? Let's just like, that's what and that's just like what we do. I imagine at Argus, someone's trying to move up. Someone's trying to use or abuse their platform for whatever nefarious reasons.
Jagger May:We see to not bring real life into this, we see cops just like, oh, I'm a cop, and I'm gonna stalk a chick because I just have that info. That's like everyday fucking things, shit like that. You know? So I can imagine it's just exhausting working at Argus to go from Amanda Waller who's just like, oh, you made fun of my dress. I'm gonna send you to die.
Jagger May:And now you got, you know, upset daddy in charge, and you're like, okay. Well, let's just waste government resources because of revenge. You know?
Matt Kopfhamer:And I I think there's also an element of, like, professional jealousy. Because the scene when Flurry goes to the office where Rick and and, Sasa are kinda buddy buddy on the computer, you could see that Flurry is like, what's happening here? So one and then also economist, he gets the the look from Harcourt and the other office mate gives him a look, there's gotta be some sort of professional jealousy going on where it's like somebody's snitching on somebody. Somebody's ready to stab somebody in the back. So, yeah, I could absolutely see what you're saying, Alfredo, where a fracturing within Argus and a mutiny taking place because you've already seen that under Amanda Waller.
Matt Kopfhamer:So the precedent has been set. Could easily see Rick Flagler losing, yeah, losing the locker room.
Alfredo Brown:Well, I think there's, like, a dichotomy here, man, where it's like we have kind of been expecting the Eleventh Street kids to be the one to fracture because we're thinking Harcourt is turning on people, or you've got economists having to work against peacemaker, but then kind of with them. So it's like, what's going to happen to them? The whole time there's been that foreshadowing of like, nothing's ever going to tear us apart. And like, now they're actually facing that. But in reality, what's tearing the people who are being torn apart is actually Argus because of the decisions being made.
Alfredo Brown:So I think it's just a nice contrast to what we were expecting versus now what we're seeing. I'm curious, though, does this mean we could potentially see another changing of the guard at Argus? Does Amanda Waller come back into the picture? Does, Harcourt become the head of Argus? Like, what could happen there?
Jagger May:Or just tear it down.
Alfredo Brown:Just put it away. The most sense. Like, I could absolutely see them, like, offering it to Harcourt, and it's like she's had that personal growth where she doesn't need this government job anymore and turns it down or something.
Jagger May:Yeah. I want to turn it down to make checkmate.
Matt Kopfhamer:Maybe. But especially if Rick doesn't survive this season, I could absolutely see them bringing back Amanda Waller because or if if they do offer to Harcourt and she pulls a jam and goes, no. We don't really need that. And then they're like, well, we need somebody. And then boom.
Matt Kopfhamer:Dwight gets picked, aka Amanda Waller gets picked as the office manager.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, what if Argus is in such a bad spot? Rick Flag senior is no longer running it. The tie in is Lex and what what I forgot. What was his, like, his group of world defense?
Matt Kopfhamer:Oh. It was dumb. Yeah. What do you It was fucking stupid.
Alfredo Brown:It was something like that. I can't remember right now, but I mean, there's
Jagger May:something Zach Snyder would write. You know?
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. But there was but there that could be the your new tie in. Right? Where, like, somehow Lex gets exonerated, and then now he has some sort like, there's a lot of ways they could go with this. I'm I'm curious.
Alfredo Brown:Do you guys have any leaning towards what you think the tie in is gonna end up being with these final three episodes? Because it's supposed to tie into Superman, Man of Tomorrow.
Jagger May:I think they're gonna bring something out of the universe. They're gonna they're they're poking some type of bear in there. I did I You know?
Matt Kopfhamer:I did see a fan theory say that the little the little closet doohickey that opens the portal may be a version of a mother box. So then that could be a tie in to to dark side or
Jagger May:Is it just boom tubes that they're
Matt Kopfhamer:A boom yeah.
Alfredo Brown:By the way
Matt Kopfhamer:This may be a a version of a boom tube.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. James Gunn, like, does this thing where he sometimes he'll just do stuff for shits and giggles. He said he just drew the design of that character from last week that was carrying the quantum of holding chamber. Yeah, the creature and that, like, with that information, it may actually just be nothing. Just a random interdimensional like we talked about.
Alfredo Brown:Like, it's not a white Martian. It's not a parademon with a with a mother box or a boom tube or anything like that. It's just just a little weird salamander looking thing walking around with a suitcase.
Matt Kopfhamer:In costume.
Alfredo Brown:I'm really hoping that this show gives us what they've been promising with these last three episodes here. What's her name? Jen Holland has been like, not tweeting about it, but I don't know what they're posting about it. Yeah. So man, I'm looking forward to it.
Alfredo Brown:It's gonna be excited, guys. We talked a lot about this episode, which didn't have too much, but
Jagger May:I think
Alfredo Brown:we found enough things to break down here. We'll be back again next week. As always, we're gonna be talking about Peacemaker every Friday here on YouTube, and the audio drops every Monday for you. So as we keep going on here, sure you are subscribed to the show wherever you get your podcasts. As always, I wanna thank everybody for watching or listening all the way through for myself, for Koff, for Jag.
Alfredo Brown:We'll see you next time. Adios.