This is Unbinged, the podcast bringing on your favorite movies, shows, and characters in pop culture fandom. Today, we are breaking down and discussing invincible season three episodes one through three. We're gonna be talking about Mark versus Cecil. We got the Guardians breaking up. I'm sure we'll get, like, a cool fight scene at an airport because, you know, that tends to happen when bands break up like this.
Alfredo:Oliver is growing up really fast. Is he too smart, too dangerous, too much like his father? What are we gonna get into there? Marc and Eve, finally. Finally, we get it, and we get a huge cliffhanger at the end of episode three.
Alfredo:We're gonna be discussing all of that and more on an all new episode of Unbinge starting now.
Jagger:This is a reaction podcast, so we're talking about the show invincible. We may even talk about the comics because we're nerds, and we we still read books. So if you don't wanna get spoiled by season one, season two, and the first three episodes of season three, look away, traveler.
Alfredo:Alright, guys. So we've got episodes one, two, and three of Invincible season three here. And right now, all the reviews are through the roof. I know we are enjoying it. Jagger, you asked us a question before we even turned on the cameras, and I think that's an interesting one.
Alfredo:And I actually want you to lead with this.
Jagger:I came in asking, is this the best comic book adaptation ever? And then you wanted to take a step further, and I agree. I think this is the best literature to television show adaptation ever. Not just because like, the Vincible comic is excellent. You all should go back and read it.
Jagger:You'll get new things from it. I enjoy it on its own. But the show is legitimately better, and it takes some of the things that the comic maybe doesn't do well, maybe isn't as s tier as the rest of it, and it elevates that from the minor characters like Amber and William and to just speeding things along that you have to wait on in the comic book. I'm I'm just surprised that every show doesn't do this, and it really shows that Robert Kirkman, the writer, is involved in this because he looked at his old work. He's like, cool.
Jagger:Now I don't have the strict the the structure of comic books. How do I make this even better? And we get that on the screen.
Kopfhamer:Top, you've read it already. Yeah. I've read the entire series, and it's it's incredible from start to finish. I mean, I I think I read it in maybe a week. It was that good that you just like, a 40 something episodes or or, yeah.
Kopfhamer:Chapters. Chapters. Chapters, there you go. But, you know, what I'm gonna say though is, surprisingly, we haven't seen more comic book adaptations work this well because I think that comic books especially lend themselves so well to the small screen. You know?
Kopfhamer:Unlike books where it's very hard sometimes to translate a character's inner thoughts to the screen and make it believable, the comics do it all the time and make it very, very easy. And and we're seeing it here, episode after episode in Invincible where they're just they're bringing to life what we saw on the page. But then, like you said, Jagger, improving upon it. They're giving us more depth with these characters because we have more time. And I'm so happy that this season, especially, we're getting these, like, forty, forty five minute episodes where they can really dig into some of these issues, so you can it doesn't have to, you know, move past things so quickly.
Kopfhamer:We can really breathe with characters. We can really breathe with plot lines. So you're right. I think this is one of, if not the best adaptation we have ever seen from the page to the screen.
Jagger:Yep. And I I'm interested in you, Alfredo, who hasn't read anything. And I guess it's like getting into the thick of it. Hasn't read a book ever. Alfredo's literally cannot read at all.
Alfredo:But I finished my fourth grade summer reading, and I told the rest of my teachers to fuck off, and now I'm saying.
Jagger:I'm good. Yes. I'm learning. But, like, are are you team Cecil, or do you understand Cecil? Do you find him a relatable character?
Jagger:Because from the show, I'm not gonna lie, dude. I knowing myself and being honest with myself, I would be a Cecil Stedman. If I was in his shoes, I probably would do the same things. How how are you like that? You know, with with, I guess, from this perspective.
Alfredo:I mean, so what's that line from, Star Wars Force Awakens? It's like if you live long enough, you see the same eyes in different people. It feels like we're seeing the same character in different stories, whether it's Cecil Stedman or Bruce Wayne as Batman against
Jagger:the cast of the
Alfredo:league, Amanda Waller, if it's if it's even, Lieutenant Ross in in the Avengers, there's always someone that is too worried about the powerful people that are going to be they're they're gonna do whatever it takes to protect these guys or excuse me, to to defend themselves from these guys. And I I think in my heart, I say, like, yeah. I absolutely be team invincible on this, man. And, you know, just, like, let's be free. But at the same time, like, my head
Jagger:is set
Alfredo:my head is like, yo. It's like Seuss is kinda right here, though. Like, he's got he's gotta be careful. Like, if it's a job. It's a job.
Alfredo:Like, that's really what it is. If Mark and all these other heroes wanted to be part of this group and be part of the Guardians, that's the job, homie. Like, that that's that's who you're working for. Like, he's not your friend. He he's not you're not, like, contracted out.
Alfredo:That's your job. Like, you guys don't have a union. That's kind of it. If you don't wanna use all their cool gadgets and stay in their cool cave and all that and get their medical treatment, go be hero on your own. Like, do your own thing.
Alfredo:So I man, my heart says one thing. My head says another. I I I don't quite know where I'm at with it, but I will say this. I thought that the splitting of the guardians was really and this is where I'm gonna, like, bring it right back and boomerang it to hit us in the face. It felt like the perfect, imagery of really the generations of, like, today's generations, millennials versus, let's say, boomers, Gen z who, you know, that Eric's taking me Gen z is Gen z's.
Kopfhamer:What the
Alfredo:hell is Gen z? That's the kids now. Right?
Jagger:No. Gen alpha. Gen
Kopfhamer:z's Gen z's,
Jagger:like, arguably one of us.
Kopfhamer:Like, twenty years.
Alfredo:We're arguably.
Jagger:Yeah. Like, we're closer to them than we are to, like, Gen Alpha. Those kids are something else. But
Alfredo:Okay. It very much feels like a boomers versus Gen z or or or millennials in a work scenario where immortal very much felt like that's something my dad or mom would say.
Kopfhamer:Where Shut up and get in line.
Alfredo:But you know what? We just kinda said it too to start the show, and so now I'm questioning myself. Like, am I a boomer now?
Kopfhamer:Here's the difference, though, Alfredo. Like, when it comes to someone of Mark's power, we saw what goes wrong when someone of his and and arguably more power goes bad with Omni Man. So, of course, someone like Cecil has to do everything within their power, give themselves every advantage in case Mark does turn bad. Because he can talk himself blue in the face that what he's doing is right, but all it takes is one telepath in the bunch and, oh, brainwash Mark is now evil Mark. So, you know, they they put safeties on a gun for a reason, and it's not to protect the guns.
Kopfhamer:So the same thing with these superheroes in the show is they are they are weapons. That's something that I think monster girl points out in episode two. It's like he treats us like weapons. It's like no shit. Like, you guys are some of the most powerful beings on this planet.
Kopfhamer:You are there to protect it from outside threat. There needs to be some sort of safety parameter in place to make sure that, god forbid, you don't turn on us. So I get where Mark's point is. Like, yeah, it's about trust and it's about, you know, being able to work together, but at the the same time, it's like, dude, you are literally the strongest being in this planet. Like, you gotta know that people are going to be afraid of you.
Kopfhamer:And if you don't tow the line perfectly, they have every right to be afraid of you.
Jagger:Yeah. And that's that's the point I wanted to bring up because to me, Cecil is right up until a point. It was the implant inside of Mark that was the line. Because if I was, say, in monster girl or or a robot's point of view, I would still say, fuck you, Cecil. But I'd go to Mark and be like, Cecil's also fucking right, dude.
Jagger:He was wrong to go put something inside of you without your permission. But, like, but him making a weapon against you, that's that's the game, dawg. Like, that's Yep. Like, your dad just I mean, come on. You'd be stupid to to not think that to not think that.
Jagger:And that's why I wanted to bring up to you, Alfredo, of where the line is because in the comic, the way they wrote, the way Robert Kirkman wrote Cecil, I was way on Mark's side because Cecil came in and was just like, fuck you. This is how it is. This is the way we're gonna do it. And this is it
Alfredo:seemed way more reasonable.
Jagger:That's what I'm saying. The whole time, he's like, Mark, please calm down. You know, it's the opposite of Harry Potter. It's like, did you put your name in the goblin of fire? Like, that like, that's how Cecil is in the in the comic book.
Jagger:And you're like you're like, woah. Yo. Fuck this guy. But, like, Cecil in the show, you're like, Mark, you probably should calm down, dog. Stop punching shit and screaming.
Kopfhamer:Stop putting holes in the wall, Mark.
Jagger:God damn it. Yeah. Stop. Like, full Kyle Dude. Full Kyle Bro.
Jagger:Fucking monster. Just
Alfredo:shugging Mountain Dew.
Kopfhamer:When when he when he left that body of Rhiannon, I'm like, god. How much taxpayer dollars were just wasted there? Like, that's billions of dollars down.
Jagger:He's doing mortal combat finishers, and he's like, why are you scared of me?
Kopfhamer:I'm not threatening you.
Alfredo:Mark was absolutely giving us abusive boyfriend energy the whole time. Hitting the walls. Don't be scared. Like, it's it's a lot.
Kopfhamer:It's a lot. I'm not angry. This is your fault.
Alfredo:Alright. So let's do this. Let's break these things down by episode. So let's start with episode one. We started off with the cut the cool training montage that just kinda reintroduces us back to our character.
Alfredo:And what it's doing is it's introducing it's setting up potentially bigger threats. And you've got Mark out there training against, the giant who's, like what they say he's eight?
Kopfhamer:He's an eight year old.
Jagger:He's like, you're amazing. He's cursed. Yeah. I love that.
Alfredo:It's so good. That's, so I'm reading from here. It's, obviously, like I said, I have not read the comics, but I've done the research here. It's loosely adapted from issue 57. And it it's there there was a lot of this here where they were adapting from the comics and especially in Mark's training issue 46 of where Mark's bench pressing these massive magnets.
Alfredo:That was actually one of the times where I felt like the animation looked a lot better than the rest of the show. Is that is that something that you guys are noticing throughout the the the series? I don't I don't know if I I would have to go back, but it's not too much of a knock. It feels like this animation looks the worst out of all the seasons, but I like, it's not enough to take me out of watching the show.
Jagger:Yeah. And it to me, it's when you when you hire Jon Hamm to do a bit role as just a random security guard dad, you gotta cut that budget somewhere. And to me, I'm just like, man, you don't have to get a heavy hitter for every character. I love it. I'm happy.
Jagger:You don't have to.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Because you can you can hear the budget this year because they got some of those big name voice actors. But, yeah, big name Like you said
Alfredo:his name cough. I know you want
Kopfhamer:to. No. I'm not going to. No. Later.
Jagger:Later. It's not the right up it's not the right episode.
Kopfhamer:Say it. Zola might have done that.
Alfredo:There you go. Yeah. Bless you.
Kopfhamer:Yay. Thank you. But, yeah, you can hear you can hear the budget in this. And like you like you said, Jagger, like, they have to cut corners somewhere. So in these action scenes, you're gonna see that where they're gonna leave out some of the details and the more finer points on this animation, but that's to be expected.
Alfredo:Yeah. The the action is feeling and once again, maybe I'm just misremembering the first two seasons. It's feeling more anime ish than ever before. Like, I know we've always had the very extreme fights and the extreme violence, but there there was just more and more moments even through the training montage of Mark where it very much felt like Goku training up, you know, in, like, a Dragon Ball z where it just it it felt a little bit different. And I I don't do you guys, is that the same vibe in the comics?
Alfredo:And that is that transferring over to the show pretty much the same?
Jagger:I'd say the training was they did a good job at just, like, flying through things. Like, the whole montage is, like, alright. We don't need you to read this like we did in the comic book, so here's this. So I, for me, I It's Rocky in Russia. Just screaming and dragging.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. It's great.
Jagger:Exactly. It's so much more than the comics. Exactly. But the one thing that I do think we're about to get to is where, you know, you in porn, it's called the centerfold, but you have these, like, full page of comic books, you know, where you get the full action scenes. That's what we're getting right now.
Jagger:And and it's You could've picked anything. You could've just said, like, in swimsuit modeling. You should've said in a car magazine. You could have said
Kopfhamer:anything. I like it.
Jagger:I still I just think of Playboy's center.
Alfredo:You could have said Playboy. Yeah. I don't even think of Playboy porn as as porn.
Jagger:It's not.
Alfredo:Even though
Kopfhamer:I know
Alfredo:it is, but,
Jagger:like, it's not. Yeah. I guess that's a good point.
Kopfhamer:Articles. It's educational.
Jagger:Well, I try to relate that something that everyone knows. I can't get into comic books like, this is called your splash page and blah blah blah. You know, I can get into that, but that's what I think we're naturally I love where you draw the line.
Alfredo:Everyone knows porn. Not everyone knows comics.
Jagger:It's true, though. It's true.
Kopfhamer:Not in Florida. It's illegal here now.
Jagger:Well, that's your problem.
Alfredo:You know what I did notice, and everyone knows this, is who is trying to steal the declaration of independence? Because I really wanted a Nicolas Cage reference when they brought that up here in episode one. That's that's, like, the funniest possible. Is that once again, I'm gonna be asking this all throughout the show. Is that from the comics?
Kopfhamer:There's a reason. Yes. There's a reason for it.
Alfredo:That's great.
Kopfhamer:And Yeah. And the kids It's very funny. I forgot that's what they stole. I forgot that's what they saw, and it made me laugh my ass off this episode. I was like, that's right.
Jagger:Well, that's like the joy of Robert Kirkman because a lot I I love all the little details that they just kept. How it says, like, Pentagon parking in the rear every fucking time. Like, in a Reginald Veljohn high school, and they get, like, Reginald Veljohn. Like like, to me, that's just like classic Robert Kirkman where he's like, I don't really wanna think about this detail. So, like, declaration of independence.
Jagger:That's comics, baby.
Alfredo:I love it. I love it. And so we get we get the fight with, we get Multi Paul, and, you know, he's obviously upset with everything going on with,
Kopfhamer:Voice by.
Alfredo:Duplicate. Yeah. What? By by Simu Liu?
Kopfhamer:Voice by. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Another big
Alfredo:And so once again, that budget, that voice acting budget, man, it's way up.
Jagger:It's going up.
Alfredo:Way up. Way up. I think we could probably chill out. And we got we got more big voices coming. We have, I was about to say Jake Paul.
Alfredo:We have Aaron Paul coming. We've got, we got Mark Hamill that's already been in this, by the way, as art. If you guys didn't know who makes who makes the costumes. So, like, there's already so many big voices in this. But, after that, we yeah.
Alfredo:Go for it.
Jagger:I would say Multipaul, when are they gonna give us that's what I'm wondering. When are they gonna give us Kate and Paul's backstories? Because they're slowly like, the comic gave us a whole basically, one chat was just everyone's backstory. Like, the the eve one off we got, they expanded that in the show, but we got all the other ones because, like, Kate and Paul are kinda sad. Have a Yeah.
Jagger:They have a
Kopfhamer:cool backstory. Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. And they actually gave us Paul earlier because he's in jail, like, twice there when we see him with the Mahler twins in the show. Like, I don't know if you remember when they're bringing him in there. We see, like, Multipaul in there in in, in a cell. So, Koff, you've read further than I have on here.
Jagger:If they're paying that big of a budget, I'm wondering just how relevant that whole crime shit is gonna be at this point. Because it it almost feels like Game of Thrones where you're like, you guys are worried about crime, and then you got a legion of Superman gonna conquer that planet. Surely, you can wrap that shit up. You know?
Kopfhamer:So If I were hold on. I'm trying to remember I'm trying to remember in the comics. And, like, it's a bit storyline, but it's not huge. So I could absolutely see them expanding upon that and making it bigger in this show because there are a lot of really cool side characters involved with it. So I could definitely see them doing more, especially to fill out some of these, seasons where you need a little bit more screen time to make it, you know, 10 episodes.
Kopfhamer:So I could I could definitely see that happening where they expand upon multiple Paul or multiple Paul and the whole crime organization's, overall importance.
Jagger:Multipaul's the dumbest and smartest name ever. It's like, well, that's clever. You know? Just like yeah. Exactly.
Kopfhamer:And I guess, honestly, it's very very clever for Robert Kirkman to come up with those.
Alfredo:So okay. So from episode one, we obviously we get we get the opening fight scene, the the stealing of the declaration of independence. There's Oliver starting to manifest his powers, but, honestly, we're gonna talk so much more about Oliver later. I think there's a lot to talk about when we come to episode three. So I think we can move past that.
Alfredo:What we finally get here is Mark and Eve, which is what everyone has been waiting for, people that have read the comics. Everyone really excited about this. And damn, man. Like, if he if we have not all just been there saying the dumbest possible things when you're trying to be smooth, you're trying to make it work, and my guy just puts his foot in his mouth.
Kopfhamer:Bro, it's all both feet. Both feet in his mouth.
Jagger:Like Yeah.
Kopfhamer:What are you doing, my guy?
Jagger:I don't he's he's doing his best, I guess. He's doing his best. My favorite part, though, is
Kopfhamer:he has two gay men give him great advice, great relationship advice, and he immediately throws it out the window. And
Jagger:it's like, come on, my guy. Don't say anything, dude. You obviously like her. She's gonna feel guilty. And immediately he's like, I saw future you.
Jagger:It's like like, just, like, blurts out.
Alfredo:The first rule
Jagger:of how I travel is.
Alfredo:You don't talk about it.
Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Alfredo:And he immediately does that.
Kopfhamer:Good thing he's strong because he's not the smartest cookie. God.
Jagger:Almost fumbled the bag. Yeah. He's what so he's no like, his, parallels to Peter Parker are just that he can't show up anything about time. Peter Parker. Peter Parker.
Jagger:Yeah.
Kopfhamer:He's got the strength and the agility, and then that's where it ends.
Jagger:That's it. And he can't work all the time, and he's probably broke. But, like, other than that, he dumb.
Kopfhamer:Oh, awesome. He's a himbo. He's a He dumb.
Alfredo:Okay. So after the whole market eve thing, we end up finding out that they're essentially the only two heroes left. And I don't did you guys see like, how did Doc Seismic actually abduct all of the superheroes? Because all we just hear is they've all been abducted, and you two are the only ones left. Is there something that's missing from the it was over there?
Jagger:No. The creepy crawlies. He could talk through
Kopfhamer:the and shit. Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. He just could, like, talk through vibrations. It's actually, like, a pretty loose and shitty comic book y plot point, and that makes sense. Yeah.
Alfredo:That was that was, like, the only thing where, like, right out of the gate, I was like, oh, I don't like that. But Mhmm. I'm I'm also just kind of willing to sweep stuff under the rug if it doesn't really have much to do with the story.
Jagger:And and that's another one. They made it better. Like, they made Doc Sizem, like, a lot cooler than, like like, in the comic, he's just kinda ranting and raving. And then all of a sudden, he's just
Alfredo:I mean, he still did. He calls him token diversity and He's
Kopfhamer:fun and stereotype.
Alfredo:Type. It's great.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. He's actually pretty funny.
Jagger:Yeah. But, like, they just kinda made him he's like, what Mark's like, you're supposed to lose. He's like, well, fakes change. And I was just like, oh, like, that's that was you would talk about anime. I was just like, oh god.
Jagger:That's like, homie just leveled up. You know? It's like, is that hair about to fucking go blonde? Like
Kopfhamer:What I really what I really like about this show too, and you see it a little bit in the comics, but unlike the MCU where they seemingly throw away villains at the, you know, drop of a hat, You know, this show is actually continuing to bring back villains and not only bring them back, but also show them having upgrades and power increases. So it becomes a, you know, there's still a threat to Mark, and it's not just, you know, another, oh, time to bring you back to Arkham, moment where he actually is in danger, especially in this fight where now doc Seismic doesn't just have his gauntlets, but he also can communicate with these lava monsters and giant insectoids from the middle of the Earth. Like, that's a that's a significant upgrade for, a sea level villain.
Alfredo:Well well, you know what? You Jagger, you mentioned the the parallels with Spider Man. And, I mean, I think if anything, when you when you have a hero, what continues to add value to that hero is a continuation of the villains. And, yes, it might be scary to think of what new villain could come next, but what about in Spider Man when they keep doing the Sinister Six? And now you've got all these villains added compounding on top of one another?
Alfredo:And I think that's honestly the scariest thing for Mark because even though he does have this group, the Guardians, and he does have all these other heroes behind him, it still really feels like he's alone in all this and that there is a big threat coming. But now on top of that big threat, you have all these other villains like the Doc Seismics of the world that are just gonna be compounding on top of this, and it's gonna become, I don't wanna just say annoying, but it's actually gonna become something that actually is very, very impossible for him to overcome. Like, it actually does set the stakes really, really well.
Jagger:And this is why I like having such a focused universe because, a lot of these other side characters, we can slowly build on them and make them something else and let them snowball into something bigger. Whereas something with the MCU, it's really hard to focus on, like, your Darcy. You know? Like, okay. We could randomly throw her into WandaVision or something like that.
Jagger:But and especially with these smaller villains, one, you keep them around because of the the hero's principles even though that's annoying to some people like me. But two, a lot of these and the show even does a better job than a comic book. A lot of these villains are, you know, like Cecil says, they live in the gray area. I'm just trying to pay bills, homie. I'm not, you know, I'm just broke, and I'm just trying to get by.
Jagger:And this is a job. This is a job to anyone who's seen. And statistically, if you've if you're watching Invincible, you've you've probably seen Venture Bros. It's like how it works there. It's like a career.
Jagger:I'm a career villain. I'm a career henchman, and I gotta do what I gotta do to pay the bills. And we actually get empathy with people that would normally be, like you said, like, throwaway villains in any other, cinematic universe.
Alfredo:So let's talk about that because we talked about Cecil being a guy that we understood. Right? I don't know that we necessarily have empathy, but you we can understand him. And so this is interesting because Mark has this this anger with him over Darkwing, DA Sinclair, the Rhiannon, all this that's going on. And, Koff, you said something that I really like is that you essentially, you need every tool is gonna be necessary
Kopfhamer:Mhmm.
Jagger:To to
Kopfhamer:go up the
Alfredo:system and that Cecil's very much right about this.
Kopfhamer:I mean, this is literally like, we saw a small fraction of what one Viltrumite can do when Anissa came down and basically toyed with Mark. So the fact that they're gonna send at least one more that's gonna be worse than that, you need to make sure that your quiver is full of every arrow available when you when you need to go to war because, otherwise, you're gonna be caught with your pants on unprepared. And like you said, this is his job. This is Cecil's one and only duty is to protect this planet at all cost. So if he doesn't do everything within his power and get his teams repaired, but also repair contingencies for those teams, then he has failed at his job.
Kopfhamer:And even if he does everything right, he still may fail because that's how powerful the Viltrumite empire is.
Jagger:And, I guess, can we like, is this, like, a good segue into, like, episode two then? Because it's crazy.
Alfredo:Let's let's get right into episode two because that's where it starts. We get the flashback with Cecil, the chemical attack. I actually think it's really cool because me not knowing, obviously, having not read the comics, that the only piece of skin that's there on on his face that looks messed up is actually the only real skin left on his face and that he he leaves it to let it serve as a reminder. I thought that was really cool. I'm sure there's a lot of people watching this that are just like me, that have never read the comics, and they're watching this show for the first time and just learning stuff and following along.
Alfredo:But Jagger, what what is it that what is it that you wanted to get into here with Cecil? Because we do get this this cool origin story, and I think it it allows a viewer to not just say, oh, I agree with Cecil, but actually be like, dude, I get it. Like, I actually do empathize with you a little bit now going into episode two.
Jagger:Well, I think this whole episode, and they don't hit this on the nose. I think Cecil is overcorrecting because, he he makes this point where he says, I'll make a deal with the devil if it means saving the planet. And he did that. That was his probably his first big act as director of the GDA where he and they knew it. They knew Omni Man was lying.
Jagger:They knew that Nolan was lying. They're like, yeah. He's probably lying. It's too good to be true. But right now, I'm gonna use him.
Jagger:And what did you do? You you made you took the Faustian deal. So now with Mark, he's trying to correct those mistakes and overcorrecting by, you know, being distrustful by planting shit in him. And even though you know that he's born and raised like a human and has empathy, we're still gonna, do all the wrong things with, you know, say and say and say and say parenting with him because he is kind of a parent at this point without Nolan. And I just think that's an interesting parallel that we see with Cecil.
Jagger:And I think the show does a good job regardless if you read the comics or not, or you could see, hey. This dude saw what one fuck up can do. He lost all of the skin and 17 people. He takes his job seriously. So it's not just much so much a madman.
Jagger:Where I could see Mark, though, is, like, Cecil's just one guy, though. You know? Like, what it he's one guy, and and any guy can be corrupted.
Alfredo:Mhmm. I actually I I look at this, and I think that this show did a better job of conveying that that that reason that legitimate that legitimacy for the fear that Cecil has much better than, let's say, a Batman versus Superman did Yep. Where you get the line that even if there's a 1% chance that he could be our enemy, we have to take that as absolute certainty. And it's just like, yeah. But you didn't give us any other reason of, like, why y'all are fighting, really.
Kopfhamer:You just
Alfredo:kinda don't like him because he's strong. And at least with Cecil, like, you you do see a lot more with that. And, that's just important, man, especially in such short episodes that were not super short, but the story is way more condensed. So to get us to care the way we do, I think, is has been really impressive.
Kopfhamer:Yep. Yeah. And the thing is cool about the interaction. Oops. Sorry.
Jagger:I was just I thought it was cool they made him a prison boss because that wasn't in the the comic either. Like, that he became the boss of the prison. That wasn't like like, the prison was like like one panel, and then he was like, got a beard. Like, I need you to come back. And a shout out to Bokeen Woodbine.
Jagger:Sorry. Go ahead, cough.
Kopfhamer:No. No. I was I was gonna say something similar. That was cool to see him transition from, I won't work with a criminal to becoming a criminal and then running the criminals to then finally understanding, okay. I I get why we have to do what, you know, working with people we don't find pleasant because you're right.
Kopfhamer:Like, some people are a little bit too valuable to just keep tucked away and hand away if they are willing to be rehabilitated. And so I think that's I think that's a commentary on the greater, you know, American justice system justice system where we focus so much on punitive, corrective, like, gotta punish people instead of we should be focusing on rehabilitation and giving people the opportunities to give restitution for the crimes they committed. So I think that's a really important point to show Cecil living that first hand. And I think the biggest tragedy is he didn't stop and go, Mark, I was where you stood 34 however many years ago. I believe just like you did, and I had to learn the hard way.
Kopfhamer:And, unfortunately, he didn't say that. So now we have to see Mark learn this lesson the hard way. It's gonna cause a lot of pain. It's gonna be pretty devastating to him as a person, but he's gonna learn that lesson eventually.
Jagger:And to give Cecil credit, Mark wasn't willing to listen. He was just like, we can, like, just, like, quit punching shit, and we can talk this
Kopfhamer:through. Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. He just wanna be mad. So, like like, to be, like, to to be fair to Cecil, he probably was gonna tell him that. I don't know. He's Mark is 19.
Jagger:He needs to grow up. Right. As much as he's not a typical
Alfredo:19 year old.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. No. But it makes sense that his first reaction would be anger and then completely shutting down any chance of of talking because he's just in I gotta break something mode, which not healthy. Don't get me right. Not healthy.
Kopfhamer:And he should grow up, but we also have to remember, he's still very young in his journey.
Alfredo:What this did is it showed two things really well. One, it showed the Venn diagram of where Cecil and Mark actually do agree in that people can be rehabilitated, but it also showed Mark's hypocrisy and that he's only he's going to pick who can be rehabilitated, not that everyone can be that. And I think that's, like, that that's your very typical hero's growth that you need is for him to either you kinda have to pick one route or the other. Either you believe that nobody can be rehabilitated and you're out there killing and that's it, or you believe everyone can be rehabilitated and you're doing the Batman and you're sending them to Arkham and they break out again. Yeah.
Alfredo:Shit. Okay. Let's send them right back. And and that's that's the the journey that I'm sure we're gonna see here with Mark. But this show, they did it in a, I mean, I'm sure in the comic as well.
Alfredo:They do it in a really honestly, I just thought a a really tactful way where they don't beat you over the head with it. It's something where even through his own argument, Mark kinda realizes, like, oh, damn. I don't even know if he's realized yet that he's a hypocrite. Do you do you guys get that feeling at all?
Jagger:He snapped and killed and killed, Angstrom Levy. And it's a thing with Viltrumites. Like, he knows that at this point now that that it's like Viltrumites have an anger problem. It's, like, genetically in your thing that you will rage the fuck out and kill a bunch of people, dude. And it's like think about darkwing.
Jagger:He goes his powers go into a weird nightmare fucking place. His mentor died, and he's in a city that is perpetual night. Anyone who knows they think about psychology. Yeah. It's just like, yeah.
Jagger:I probably would
Kopfhamer:I'm broke him.
Jagger:I probably would snap too. And, like, I'm sorry about Mark. Cecil would be stupid not to use, DA Sinclair. He would be stupid not to. You like, Mark doesn't even consider.
Jagger:That probably saved his life because Cecil sent them after his dad to slow him down a little bit and before his dad could get ahead of him and talk to him without him seeing, him kill immortal. Imagine imagine if those weren't used to slow down Omni Man. Like, Marcus being a more talk about he's being a giant bitch. He's being a giant bitch about it. Kid.
Jagger:He's being a kid.
Alfredo:Like, that's that's honestly a like, that that's really the thing here is he's refusing to see that there is gray area in life, and he's refusing to see that. What Cecil's doing is not picking a side. It's not siding with the villains. It's using every single piece on the chessboard. And if you're trying to win and the ultimate goal of winning is protecting Earth and protecting those people, you're gonna have to use every single pawn and queen and knight and rook and everything.
Alfredo:That's what Cecil's doing. And Mark's just kinda showing his immaturity with that.
Jagger:It's I think Cecil's the best of these paranoid characters, this archetype you talked about. Like, Amanda Waller is just a bitch.
Alfredo:This just This version this version of Cecil knows is way better than it is in the comics.
Jagger:The comic books. Yeah.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Comics more of Amanda Waller than this one is. This one's more of this one feels closer to, like, a mix of, you know, the paranoia of Amanda Waller, but the tact of, like Batman. Sam Jack well, Batman, but also Sam Jackson's,
Jagger:Fury. Nick Fury. Yeah. I was but Nick Fury is the one because, like, honestly, what does better at Batman? Batman's just like, what?
Jagger:Medical death would rehabilitate you? It's like, he doesn't even, like, fucking try. He's like, let me lock you in a corrupt hospital. At least, like, Cecil's just like, alright, dude. You know?
Jagger:Like, maybe don't do this on people. You know? People donate their bodies to science all the time. You know? Once but we can work with this.
Jagger:Also, don't be a cut to people. You know?
Alfredo:Like the cut general rule.
Kopfhamer:Don't be
Jagger:cut. Yeah. It's like, Babin doesn't even try that. You know?
Kopfhamer:Which I gotta when when they showed the, what was it, force fist or whatever the dude's name and and Yeah.
Alfredo:What a name.
Kopfhamer:What were their names? They were so dumb.
Alfredo:But when when they
Jagger:were like, they fight force or some shit or something like that.
Kopfhamer:Shit. Yeah. Knuckle Duster was the other one, which what a name.
Jagger:They were the iron fist of this, of of this, universe.
Kopfhamer:But when he when the when the director's like, we fixed them, I'm like, okay. They were spouting some crazy shit. Like, what kind of psychological reprogramming did you put them through? And my god, that doesn't seem ethical at all. So
Jagger:It doesn't. I would've shot
Kopfhamer:him through. It's a fine line. It's a fine yeah. Right? You cost me all my skin.
Kopfhamer:Bang.
Alfredo:I do wanna get a little more lighthearted here because there's something I absolutely loved in episode two, And it's, Ben Schwartz as shapeshifter. Oh, yeah. Being like, yeah. I'm gonna stick with Cecil because I got a race car bed.
Kopfhamer:And all I
Alfredo:all I was thinking of is grandma's boy. If you guys ever seen that, he was like, dude, your bed is a race car. He's like, yeah. But it's a fucking sweet car.
Kopfhamer:That's all
Alfredo:I was thinking about with Shapeshifter, man.
Jagger:I I love his. I mean, he's so reasonable, though. He's just like, I he's like, I did almost I probably destroyed Mars and almost, fucked up Earth. So, you know, maybe cease ain't all that bad. You know?
Jagger:Yeah. It's like from the mouth of babes. Like, right there should have been Mark's thing. You know? He's like, oh, well, you know, you know, cease kinda lets you do whatever.
Jagger:And even said to them, he's like, he's like, I've seen you guys break the rules numerous times.
Kopfhamer:It's funny because like Sorry. Go, Goff. I was just saying that you that's showing Mark's immaturity again because he's still a kid. So, of course, anytime he thinks what he's doing is right, he's gonna be a % behind it. And anytime he'd like, Cecil called him out.
Kopfhamer:He's like, you have no room for anyone else's viewpoint. If you disagree with him, you're blowing through whatever they're trying to do to do your thing. And and, again, Mark's gonna learn this lesson the hard way because, god, he is a himbo and doesn't think before he just leaps into situations. So he's gonna get himself, oh, god. Oh, god.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. He is. He really is Rob Stark.
Alfredo:Yeah. He's Rob.
Kopfhamer:He's Rob Stark with, like, superpowers. Yeah. So thank god. Because otherwise, Red Wedding two point o.
Alfredo:Speaking of him jumping into situations without really thinking of it, there honestly seems like there could not be a worse time for Mark to be starting a relationship with Eve, and we actually get the the the comic reference of issue 50. Eve saying, so are we dating or what? And this was is done a little bit differently a little bit. Like, you know
Jagger:Way better.
Alfredo:Yeah. Yeah. It was it was, more of like an off the cuff remark, and it was, like, actually kinda cute and and charming as opposed to, like, kicking down your door. And it's like, are we dating now?
Kopfhamer:And so
Alfredo:it it was done a lot better.
Jagger:You said, like, some sometimes comic book writers don't know how women work. I was like that it's like literally, when I read that,
Alfredo:I was
Jagger:like, that would never happen. That would just never fucking happen.
Alfredo:It's really fair. That's really fair. That takes us into episode three where we get probably the
Jagger:God.
Alfredo:Like, one of the saddest villain backstories, and I'm hoping that they do more with this. As the as the series goes on, more with this character, we get a tether tyrant and, Megmaniac. That's that's just making sure I'm getting those names correctly here. Man, that was it was great. And what I loved most about this was there was no dialogue.
Kopfhamer:No dialogue.
Alfredo:Everything was just I mean, this was this was done by, Denis Villeneuve because he he would have loved this. He would have loved this.
Kopfhamer:This this was the opening scene to Up with two, like, gay criminals. That's that's really what it was.
Jagger:Yeah. It was David Fincher's up.
Kopfhamer:Beautifully done. And it's like, man, you felt for you felt for the guys. They tried to go straight. They tried to work, you know, a regular job and every every yeah. Well, you know.
Kopfhamer:But doc, give it to me straight. I can't. He's gay. But, no, they tried to do the right thing. They tried to to go the noncriminal route, and life just kept kicking them in the teeth until they were literally evicted from their apartment.
Kopfhamer:And then it's like, fuck it. This is our last last hurrah. Why not go out with in a blaze of glory? And, unfortunately, they, you know, got, stopped by Invincible instead of Bulletproof again. Because Bulletproof, man, gave up on that chase real quick.
Alfredo:Well, I mean, this is what we needed, though. Like, not only because Mark still doesn't quite get it. And what it does is it just it continues to show to us that these villains I mean, it humanizes them. And it it kind of almost further perpetuates this thing that, like, Mark really isn't seeing what's in front of him. Now, obviously, these guys are robbing a bank.
Alfredo:Like, he's gotta do something. Right?
Kopfhamer:Right.
Alfredo:But it just seems like he's not willing to see that gray area yet. Like, he's not there there's it was and I don't know what he's supposed to see in that situation. I'll be totally honest. Like, what does he do? Like, hey, guys.
Alfredo:Don't do that. Maybe put the money back. But what it did to us as a viewer, though, is it kinda showed that he he I don't even think he realizes that that gray area exists, and that that's the bigger
Kopfhamer:thing. We've already seen him kinda do that in season one with Goliath who has shout out to him. He gets a he gets a scene this, this episode when he's talking to the crime syndicate. But he lets even though he's a criminal, Mark lets him go and take over machine head's territory. So we've seen that Mark can have when presented with the facts and presented with, hey.
Kopfhamer:This is what's going on in the background. He's willing to let people do things that aren't quote, unquote the law. So I think it really does give him room. And I think what this episode intro is really start trying to do is show that there's going to be a time and place where Mark is willing to not just solve every, you know, situation with a a fist to the face. So maybe he will get to the point where he can literally stop the criminals because what are they gonna do?
Kopfhamer:They're not gonna hurt him, and and just talk to him and pull that Batman man where he empathizes and he makes them realize this is not the way to go about solving your issues, and maybe there's a better route.
Jagger:Yeah. I mean, I also think too that this goes back to my point when I said that Cecil just should be better about being a little bit more forthcoming. Like, yes, you should have his paranoia, but when you're dealing with kids and he almost and we're about to get to that where we we talk about, Oliver a little bit where he kinda literally has a little bit more soft skills than kid gloves. But, like, maybe if he's just like, hey. I was soft on your dad, and he almost killed the whole world and destroyed the city of Chicago city of Chicago.
Jagger:I need to have some type of leash on you. Like, you could probably still kill me if you really, really wanted to try, but I need something, and here's why.
Kopfhamer:Mhmm.
Jagger:Then Mark would have listened. But when you spring it on him, when you're down in the middle of literal hell with some fucking magma magma men and and centipedes everywhere. Then you're like, wait. What are these fucking dead people doing? I thought I dealt with this problem.
Jagger:Yeah. I'm probably gonna be a little upset.
Alfredo:Yeah.
Kopfhamer:Right.
Alfredo:And I I think what we're starting to see here and once again, don't know. Haven't read the comics. But what I loved is the the title card turning to the Omni Omni sorry, Omni Man colors, which I think is not only just a symbolic shift for for Mark, but for Oliver, for both of these guys. And I I do think probably most viewers looking at it as, like, one or the other. Maybe it's Oliver who's becoming the new Omni Man, but I think there's a bit of both here.
Alfredo:There's a bit of both where you're starting to see Mark still has a lot
Jagger:of his mother in him, and and I think that's
Alfredo:what you're seeing when he's trying to help raise Oliver here. But there's still a lot of him, his I don't wanna say distrust for humans, but I think it's starting to get there where he's starting to have a lack of empathy, a distrust, the no moral gray area. It's just it's black and white. This is the only way. This is gonna be a a probably a big theme of this whole season is not only humanizing these villains, but humanizing Mark and Oliver and the Viltrumites and and Omni Man in in many ways that we kinda started to see in season two.
Jagger:That was one big difference that I don't I'm not sure what is better because Oliver in the comic books is almost more cold blooded than this where he's just like He's a little Damian Wayne? Yeah, dude. Yep. Like, actually straight up, he really is. He's just like, from my planet, you know, we all die young, so all we care about is the betterment.
Jagger:You guys are all selfish and care about individuals. He literally says it's like, the more I learn about you, the less I like. It's like, and, again, like, homie's not wrong. He's like he's just he's not wrong. And he even says he's like, there's not an ounce of humanity in him.
Jagger:And he means that, like, quite literally. He's like, if he's built termite and fucking cockroach, whatever. Yeah. Thrax and Mago. Sorry.
Jagger:But
Kopfhamer:no. It's it's it's funny because slight spoiler in the future comics is he ends up picking somebody to date who is nonhumanoid. And it's because he is not he's not human himself. So for him, he's like, look. You can't judge me the same way you would judge a human because I'm not a human.
Kopfhamer:So it makes absolute sense that his arguments when he's talking to Mark is like, life's not precious. Like, shit. People kill each other all the time, and they don't have powers like we do. So why should we hold ourselves back when the bad guys are hurting people and we can ensure that they don't hurt people anymore? And that little and and it's that little psychopathy that really should worry Mark the most because that's both a very good argument and a very, very bad argument at the same time.
Jagger:Because Like, his his logic is sound, and that's what's scary.
Kopfhamer:Right. Exactly. Because you can take that to the nth degree, and it's like, alright. Everyone deserves to die. And that's like the sky Skynet mandate.
Kopfhamer:It's like, if you take out all the threats yeah. Exactly. If you take out all the threats, there's no more threat.
Jagger:Mhmm.
Alfredo:Yeah. Well, speaking of taking threats, we get Oliver's first kill.
Jagger:RIP. And,
Kopfhamer:Double kill.
Alfredo:And the Mauler Double kill. Yeah. It was eight. It was it
Kopfhamer:was rough. Rockhamsock was robots.
Alfredo:And, this is a a direct reference to issue 51 where Oliver just brutally executes a surrendering Mauler. Like, he it's a I give up. And that's that's the big thing where
Kopfhamer:Too late.
Alfredo:Like, just like Jagger said, we're without them having to just to say it out loud, you get to see it. And I think I appreciate that more that he doesn't have to say, I don't have any humanity. We can just see it and be like, oh, he doesn't get it. And also, like, there's just something there where he doesn't even have time to mature because he's going from, like, baby to five year old to nine year old to teenager to adult soon. And it's just, like, there's not even time to mature, understand things.
Alfredo:He's just like, I'm stronger than everyone. I'm faster than everyone. I can fly. I I can kill people, and bad guys deserve to be killed, and that's pretty much it. And so, like, as much as Mark thinks he's teaching Oliver and he has to be the saving grace for Oliver, they're not that far off.
Alfredo:And that's the scary part with what what is he, like, a nine year old and a 19 year old? But he's like a nine year old that has, like, what, a month of, like, actual experience in life, and they're not that far off in their values at this point except for, like, the, hey. Don't don't kill. Don't kill. It's very much a Batman and Damian Wayne right now.
Kopfhamer:Yep. Absolutely.
Jagger:And Damian just could kick ass. He couldn't fly around and
Alfredo:No. Yeah. It it
Jagger:fly around. People's agendas.
Alfredo:Yeah. This is Damian with, like, Superboy powers, essentially.
Jagger:Yeah. Yeah. And literally no humanity. Right.
Kopfhamer:This is Brett like, this is Brightburn level, like, scary because this kid off leash, like, there's only one person that could stop him, that's Mark. And if Mark's holding back, who's to say Oliver doesn't get the best of him?
Jagger:Like I said, like, if I have to legitimately put myself into, like, a category, I lean into, like, the Frank Castles, the the the Cecil's on here.
Kopfhamer:For sure.
Jagger:If I, yeah, if I woulda saw my little brother, I'm like, oh, somebody's getting a pillow tonight. You know? We can't be having that shit.
Alfredo:Well, what I what I love here, she doesn't quite go for a pillow, but you you do get Debbie giving the the talk to Oliver. And do I do I think it was super effective? No. It was it was kind of like like any parent telling, like, hey. Like, don't do that.
Alfredo:You promise? And the kid's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I promise.
Jagger:I swear. I swear. I just lost. Yeah.
Alfredo:What I like about this is that it wasn't so ham fisted, but it was a nice callback to her just trying to know that he values human life. And a lot of it probably still stems from her own value of her life and, Omni Man basically saying that she was my pet. Right? And and and his lack of care.
Kopfhamer:And That's some Neil Gaiman level shit.
Alfredo:Mhmm. I don't read books, cough. You you can't do that.
Kopfhamer:No. It's no. No. No. That's that's a reference to current events where, you know, game it.
Kopfhamer:Do you guys don't read headlines?
Jagger:I do. I get it. I got it. I was just yeah.
Alfredo:I don't know who he is, so I don't know who what yeah.
Jagger:Like we said, Alfredo
Kopfhamer:does Neil Gaiman is a common
Jagger:There you go. Hey.
Kopfhamer:That's shit. Yeah. Famous author, famous comic book author, but he's he's in the news lately because a former babysitter of his is suing him for sexual assault. And one of the allegations is he used to call her slave. So fun times.
Alfredo:Oh. Yeah. Well, yeah.
Kopfhamer:I'm sorry.
Alfredo:That's Sorry
Kopfhamer:to bring
Alfredo:that down. Gross. Jagger, say something funny. Cut it.
Kopfhamer:That's what I was looking.
Jagger:I was like, I feel like I should bring us back. I got nothing. Right?
Alfredo:Jagger, just a rant for thirty seconds. Go.
Kopfhamer:Maybe that's what
Jagger:I thought. Am I right? What's the sex like?
Kopfhamer:Hey. What's the deal? Speak speaking of shrinking ray and, Rex are definitely gonna bone. Right? Like, that's gonna happen, which is interesting because shrinking ray
Jagger:in the comic. Right?
Kopfhamer:In okay. Shrinking shrinking ray is is a dude in the comics and died at the missile silo. So to bring them back and have them be feel it's gotta be to have them, like, hook up with the Rex. Like, to have that be a relationship for Rex to show growth for his character. Because we kinda already saw it where he's like, oh, that was the old me.
Kopfhamer:I'm not gonna make a crude joke. Like, I'm gonna be more mature. So I think we're gonna see he still does. I love it. But I think we're gonna see a little bit more maturity from, from Rex, and I think Ray is gonna be a big part of that.
Kopfhamer:And her with oddly, she has, like, a Brooklyn accent, and she's just small town.
Jagger:That accent?
Kopfhamer:What was that?
Jagger:Because she kept saying small town. She's like, like, we call small town. I was like, okay. Small town called Brooklyn. From mayor of Easttown, you know, like that that would you murdered my daughter in the water.
Jagger:Like, whatever that weird, very specific Pennsylvania accent. I was like, what is that?
Kopfhamer:It threw me off so hard, but, oh, man. Imagine imagine oh, god. Imagine those two together.
Jagger:I love this show because sometimes, like, I literally saw I was like, what the fuck is this accent? I was like, I shouldn't bring that up. No one else noticed.
Alfredo:No. I absolutely noticed. It was so jarring out of nowhere because no one no one else in the entire show talks like that. And then all of a sudden, you've got this hard kinda, like, New Jersey accent or whatever. It was just like, what?
Alfredo:Yeah. Why is this happening?
Jagger:From a small town, we had one super villain. I was thinking I will quote Matt Damon in fucking, fucking murdered. Good Will Hunting is like, you think this shit is easy? This shit is easy to be. Just, like, just go super Boston or something.
Jagger:Oh, you're like damn apples.
Alfredo:But, okay. So this show, it it really feels like I mean, obviously, with with a three episode intro to the season, we know that not only are they going to catch us up from where we were previously, set up all of the action, but now they left us with this this big cliffhanger here at the end of episode three, which is we've still got Angstrom Levy, and he's spying on Mark. And he's not just Mark, but a lot of people in Mark's life. And he's got a whole lot of surveillance, and, this is something referenced issue 56 where Mark is seeing the same serious mysterious surveillance device. And, guys, I mean, without I'm sure you guys already know.
Alfredo:Right? But,
Kopfhamer:what can you say without
Alfredo:spoiling anything?
Kopfhamer:Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Jagger:So I don't know if you can even name the event as you'll know what it is.
Kopfhamer:Right. So I have a question for you, Alfredo, as a non comic reader. When you saw that little tag, that scene, what was your first thought? Were you like, oh, shit. He survived, or this is a different angst from leaving?
Kopfhamer:Because remember, he's a he's a multiversal traveler, so it could just be a different version of him.
Alfredo:I I mean, that that is what I was thinking. I hadn't even put it together that he could have survived because the whole thing is that I mean, doesn't he have sort of, like, a shared consciousness with these other multi multiversal
Jagger:He tried.
Kopfhamer:He was trying. He was trying
Alfredo:to do
Jagger:a big end.
Alfredo:Okay. What if it I mean, well, damn, what if it didn't fail? I see now I don't know. Now you got me going in all different directions.
Kopfhamer:So what's your theory? What's your theory?
Alfredo:Well, because, I mean, it's either either I believe he didn't die or I believe that maybe his experiment failed initially and it started to work later and there are other versions of him that that do see, feel, or experience the similar things. So kinda like how we saw, like, in in, in what was it? In in Spider Man No Way Home where the the symbiote sees Spider Man on the TV, and he's like, I don't know what it is. I just I don't like that guy. And it's like it's, like, a very similar thing.
Alfredo:So I could be way the fuck off. But
Kopfhamer:What do you so that feels
Alfredo:like a much better storyline than somehow Palpatine survived, you know? Like, that that would feel way better to me.
Kopfhamer:Okay. What do you think he's planning? I don't know.
Alfredo:Fucking kill Mark, man. I don't I don't know. I got nothing. I'm not that creative. Theories.
Alfredo:Oh, I I have some
Kopfhamer:of those
Alfredo:theories, man. I have I so, like, I'm still very much, like, I'm in the shallow end, uninvincible. Like, all I know about this show is what I've been seeing or what I know about the story, excuse me, is what I've been seeing in the show. So I'm still very much in on this, like, him being such an intelligent character and doing this much reconnaissance, it's not as probably not as simple as, like, I'm gonna kidnap someone again. Like, there's going to be yeah.
Alfredo:Like, there's going to be something where he's he's not even there to to destroy Mark. He's there to destroy everything around Mark and and and, like, make sure there is no version of Mark that that makes it out of this.
Jagger:It's a multiversal crash out. Let's just call it what it is. Like, like, homie's just, like, you know, fuck you for life, and I mean every life.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. So if if America Chavez, like, just hated every bone in your body, like, what you know, that's basically what's about to happen. Doom level and intellect with America Chavez powers.
Jagger:But before we close out, there's one detail I wanted to talk about because I'm not this far yet. And Invinciboy. Well, that's funny. But Radcliffe, and this is kinda episode two where he said, I'm leaving the GDA to work on a side project, and I need to distance my yeah. What is so shady that the GDA can't be involved?
Jagger:Like, what is this fucker guy cooking up? Is that, like, a thing, Matt? Is that gonna be a thing
Kopfhamer:that you don't remember? To be honest. It might be.
Jagger:I just don't remember the details of Radcliffe. He's because that was just like character. Yeah. Because he's just like, I gotta go. You know?
Jagger:I gotta go and do a shady project. And I'm like because I also thought it's not the same black dude because it was Lance Reddick, but I was like, is he the one who's working on Eve's project or whatever where they're making
Kopfhamer:Speaking speaking of black dudes in the show, why do they have all, like, all the black guys have the same face model? Like, every single I
Jagger:mean, we all have goatees, dude. Every one of us. And, like
Kopfhamer:They're all all all the black characters in the show are bald with a goatee or a mustache in the Viltrumites, but they all have the same face, shape, and structure, and it's like, it's a little worrisome.
Jagger:When you're paying for Simi Lou, you gotta cut you gotta cut the budget somewhere. I'll allow it. I'll allow it. You gave me Mahershala Ali. You can make us all look the same.
Jagger:I'm cool with that.
Kopfhamer:Fair enough.
Alfredo:Alright. Well, guys, I think this wraps it up for us on on our first three episodes that we've got here. We're we're gonna keep doing this throughout the season for Invincible. We're also talking about Severance. We're gonna be back on Monday, February 10 with our episode, discussing the theories for severance season two, episode four, and then, of course, episode four of Invincible season three.
Alfredo:We'll be back again on Friday, February 14. That's Valentine's Day, so, you know, the episode will be up in the morning. You can watch that, listen to that, and then go and do all your Valentine's Day fun stuff after that. And we got a bunch of cool stuff coming up too. We got, Daredevil.
Alfredo:I'm sure at some point, we're gonna review season one of your friendly neighborhood Spider Man. The reviews are up and down, which is not great.
Kopfhamer:I don't love it.
Alfredo:Honestly, if we don't like it, we might just scrap it. I'm not gonna lie. Like, I I don't wanna do a long video of us just pooping on something. And, yeah. We got a bunch of cool stuff, man.
Alfredo:The Fantastic Four trailer came out. That looks really good. Superman, we got so many cool things coming up, man. We're gonna be eating good. Not you Jurassic World rebirth.
Alfredo:Sit sit back down.
Jagger:Forever hating that movie. I love it. That mutant dinosaur, like,
Kopfhamer:dumb as hell. Well, I'm not excited. No.
Jagger:They're like, we tried to copy alien. I'm like, I could tell. I saw
Kopfhamer:Did you hear what it's inspiration for? It's like T Rex The raincore. The raincore. Yeah.
Alfredo:And the xenomorph.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. What?
Jagger:The fuck kind of
Kopfhamer:I was
Jagger:like, you actually nailed that, and I don't want it. Turns out.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. And I hate it. Go see here.
Alfredo:This is absolutely the manatees in South Park pushing all of the beach balls into one spot with the ideas of, like, you know, it'd be a really cool dinosaur, and
Jagger:then we get it, and it's
Alfredo:like, nope.
Kopfhamer:Nope. I hate it.
Alfredo:I hate it. Alright. That's gonna do it for us. So we'll be back again, like I mentioned, on Monday. As always, I wanna thank you guys for watching and listening all the way through.
Alfredo:We'll see you next time. Adios.
