This is Unbinged, the podcast, breaking out your favorite movies, shows, and characters in pop culture fandom. I'm Alfredo Brown, and today we're discussing our theories of Severance season two episode five titled Trojan's Horse. We're gonna be answering the biggest questions like who or what is the Trojan horse exactly? Is it is it really Rickon's book? Is it Heli?
Alfredo:Is it the reintegrated version of Mark? Was it Irving? All along, he's had something cooking on the outside. Lots of theories there. Mark seemed like a very different character in this episode.
Alfredo:Is it reintegration? Is it something else? What's going on there? And then that final scene has us all just kind of waiting for the very next episode. Mark, was he told something about his future?
Alfredo:We're We're gonna get into all that and more in an all new episode of Unbinge starting now.
Kopfhamer:This is your one and only spoiler warning. We're gonna be talking about Severance season two episode five, but really all of Severance. So if you aren't caught up, go catch up, then come back and watch us discuss. Until then, you've been warned.
Alfredo:So, guys, in this episode, Mark really started to seem like a very different character. And I'm I should specify, the any Mark, Mark s started to seem like a different character. And I've seen the theories that, yes, this is reintegration, which I think would make a lot of sense. It's it's the reintegration starting to take hold. He does have a specific quote where when they're talking about Irving, he says, he's not dead yet he's not dead.
Alfredo:He's just not here. And that's a direct correlation to what Regavi said when she said, she's not dead. She's just not here. So I think that's the breadcrumbs of stuff from the outside trickling to the inside. I don't know.
Alfredo:Jag, I I I kinda look at this as I think there's a lot of reasons for Mark to just Mark has to be just kind of an asshole now and be angry and be different. And he's all the shine that Lumen had and everything going, he's been broken. I think it's a perfect illustration of how people can get broken in the workforce and just not be their normal selves.
Jagger:Yeah. I don't think the integration has went all the way far to where he's the like, he he is a Trojan horse, but he's not evolved all the way to be an effective one yet. We're just waiting on that switch to to kinda stay on. I know Ben Stiller said, like, post credit or it's something I saw that we need to pay attention to his watch. That's a big indicator, of what's going on in there.
Jagger:But, to to me, it was how his Audi responded afterwards. But the the one thing that I don't know is, like, I guess we don't have a a, like, a book narrator per se, but, like, what if the editor is an unreliable narrator? Because when you are being reintegrated back in, your timeline is off. So we don't really know or we can't really trust the timeline ourselves right now. At least not a % is where I'm at with theirs.
Jagger:So, like, right now with Mark, I'm just accepting what what they're giving me. But what I will say, I think you nailed on the head, is that Mark's actually different because it's the whole theme is adolescence. He's a moody teenager. He's like, fuck you, daddy milchick. I I feel violated because I fucked my girlfriend who wasn't really my girlfriend at the time, but they still kind of are my girlfriend.
Jagger:Oh, and she's my future boss and CEO and our god. So Our god.
Kopfhamer:I mean, he he says it right out loud in the middle of the show and how he's like, hey. Why are you being an asshole? And he's like, why wouldn't I be? Like, you've been I don't know if you're still not lying to me right now. Like, I have no way of knowing what's real, what's not.
Kopfhamer:So, yeah, fuck this. I'm gonna go back to my computer and just do my work because that's the easiest thing, and I don't have to think about it versus confronting the fact that Irving is gone. The team is different. Helly or Helena or whoever is in front of him may still be violating his trust. And like he said, he's he's at the end of his rope because he believes that Lumen truly knows everything, and he can't pull a fast one anymore.
Kopfhamer:So he's he's almost given up at this point, and it's gonna be interesting to see how or it is interesting to see how Audi Mark almost has this newfound excitement because of I was
Alfredo:gonna say.
Kopfhamer:You know, the discovery. Whereas any Mark is like, I'm ready to almost die at this point. It's very, very discerning.
Jagger:That's that's so good. Yeah.
Alfredo:It's it's a really good contrast. We're now EniMark has this apathy and this general distaste for just anyone around him. And just like you said, Audi Mark has this this motivation. Like, there is there is he he wants to get things done. There's initiative there.
Alfredo:It's it's very interesting, and I wonder how much like, that's almost its own natural reintegration in itself where they're each starting to feel new emotions. They're each starting to have different sides of themselves. And at some point, these two are gonna really converge in, I think, just a really cool way. And what I what I want to talk about here is that final scene. The final scene was just it left more and more questions, more and more theories.
Alfredo:Mark is seeing this memory image, whatever we wanna call it, of miss Casey, Gemma, doing the normal wellness therapy thing where she tells, you know, the innies stuff about their outies. But in this one, he hears your Audi is going to be, and that's it. It just cuts off. And right now the big theory floating around is that a lot of people say could be that your Audi is going to be a father by having potentially impregnated Helena Egan. What do we think on this cough?
Jagger:That'd be presumptuous. Sorry. You asked cough. I was like,
Kopfhamer:No. You're not wrong. Like, it's so that theory, I can see where it could hold water, but, really, we don't know enough about Mark's history to really know why he's so important. Why other than the fact that he's one of their best MDR, you know, their their best refiners, that they wanna keep him on Cold Harbor. Other than that, we don't know what makes him special.
Kopfhamer:So it's very hard for me to put any water to that theory that they're trying to get his bloodline integrated with the Egan because it's like we have there's been nothing in at least that I've seen or noticed that would indicate why Mark is such a vital part from a genetic standpoint. We get it on his, like, work standpoint. Like, he's efficient. He gets shit done. He seems to hit his his target every every quarter.
Kopfhamer:But other than that, like, I don't see why impregnating Helena would be such a big deal.
Alfredo:Well, because if Gemma is saying that to him and he's seeing that memory, that would have to be something that was told to him before, meaning that this was all kind of preplanned and told to Gemma at some point where she knew
Kopfhamer:there was a plan to make him a father. That's why I think, like,
Alfredo:this theory still seems a little far fetched unless it's actually something about Gemma having been pregnant at some point. Like, I I don't know. It the the whole father thing seems like it's too far of a stretch for a theory on on this one here as to what he could be told.
Jagger:Yeah. To me, it's it's more like you are the most important special boy, Hal Lumen, because
Alfredo:he is right now. It's going to be. It's your your Audi is going to be the one that helps us achieve
Kopfhamer:great things.
Jagger:So you are
Kopfhamer:the best. That up. They brought that up in the performance where he was like yeah. He's like, this work is mysterious and important, but then he says something about, we're gonna be changing the history of the world with this cold harbor or I forget the exact quote, but it's like, you don't say that about something that's not either a, some sort of new discovery where they're going to present severance as this new process for people to have in their everyday life, not just Lumen employees. Or, I don't know, if they are truly doing corporate espionage, are they gonna, like, wipe another company off the map completely and just take over wholesale?
Jagger:Yeah. It's a and and to me, it's like the whole they they're very dramatic people. Let's put it that way. But I do genuinely think that they mean the world because we've all worked at companies with, like, well, we're gonna change. Like, we're gonna be how many times you worked at a place called where they said, we're gonna be disruptives disruptive.
Jagger:We're gonna be disruptors. They're using that. But they, yeah, they legitimately think that they're gonna, I I I guess, to me, find God, that's what legitimately what it feels like to me. Like, the the the anticipation that they've that they have for this. So I I wonder, is Mark prepared to be famous?
Jagger:What has he signed in his contract that, like, are they gonna parade him around afterwards, like like, Hunger Games for months on end or years on end after cold harbor is done? Because that's where I'm I'm really wondering what what's what happens after cold harbor for Mark?
Kopfhamer:I think Mark takes a extended cruise voyage.
Alfredo:Really well done.
Kopfhamer:They pull all the other with them. Just put them out behind the ship.
Jagger:I I love the way even the innies were like like, oh, really? You said you said Irving I
Alfredo:don't give three dry fucks about his Audi.
Kopfhamer:What the abominable fuck. Oh, I love Dylan g. Such great lines from him.
Alfredo:So the the way that they have really talked about Cold Harbor as being the most important thing that's going on there at Lumen. And, well, I wrote it down here, the percentages that they've gone from 78 to now they're at 81%, which tells, like, we still have quite a ways to go, but we are getting close.
Alfredo:don't I don't He actually Yeah.
Kopfhamer:He got to 85 at the end of the episode. He left six months. Okay.
Jagger:Specific five
Kopfhamer:85%. Yeah. It was Cold Harbor. Yeah. He pulled he went through them and he pulled it open.
Alfredo:So okay. So We might be getting there quicker than we think.
Jagger:And does he have to, like, choose the cold harbor file? Because, like, I saw the cycle
Alfredo:through it.
Jagger:So it's just like, okay. Yeah.
Kopfhamer:I'm gonna put So he goes to the little Rolodex, opens a file, and then that gives him then the screen with all the numbers that he has to file.
Alfredo:Let me list the files that were there because I I wrote down all the files from Mark's computer. So he had Allentown, Yakima or Yakima?
Jagger:Yakima.
Alfredo:Yakima. Yeah. Sorry. Florida. I don't I don't we don't have cities like that.
Alfredo:Astoria, Bellingham, Cairns, Chicxulub, which is the area in Mexico that's, like, said to be the landing spot of the meteor that killed all the dinosaurs. It has this big, like, crater. And then there's a a file in there called Cielo, which is sky in Spanish. So there's been a lot more theories floating around that Lumen has more imagery of not only just Kier as god and, you know, like the Aeneas, Audis, and it being souls and whatnot, but that there is really this elevator that takes you down even further to the depths of hell, that sky up could be heaven. Like, there could be so much more that's in there.
Alfredo:Have you guys been picking up on any of that?
Jagger:Allentown's hell for sure.
Kopfhamer:I was waiting for you to
Alfredo:say some shit like that.
Kopfhamer:fun cities. Obviously, with the imagery of elevators, you know, it it it really struck me this time with the opening scene where we have this mystery surgical dentist, whoever he is, going down to o and d and getting which we didn't realize that or at least I didn't, that they didn't just do paintings and placards and stuff. They actually, like, fabricate, I guess, surgical equipment in house, which is interesting to, when we go back to that, scene where Dylan is interviewing at the door factory, and the guy's like, yeah. Lumen does all their doors in house, the hubris. So it's like, clearly, Lumen is doing everything in house.
Kopfhamer:They don't want a paper trail for any of this. And as we saw on The Dark Knight, if you have a paper trail, an accountant's gonna try to blow your spot. So you gotta make sure you do everything in house. Keep it under tight lids.
Alfredo:Sorry. I just love that you're like, as we saw in The Dark Knight
Kopfhamer:The documentary The Dark Knight.
Alfredo:Exhibit a
Jagger:it's not even just that. It's the corporate espionage. That's like when we talked about Irving. Like, I really buy into that theory that I mean, you can't it can't even just be corporate. You gotta think it's newspapers.
Jagger:You gotta think a company's doing strange and mysterious shit or or, excuse me, important and mysterious shit that everyone is gonna wanna find out. You can't I mean, look at the world we live in now with, like, Twitter and all that. There's no one that's just gonna allow and not know and at least not try to infiltrate at some point. So you gotta you gotta keep that shit locked up tight. I don't blame them even though it's horrifying.
Kopfhamer:Which I think kinda ties into what miss Wong is, where she is I don't think she's severed. I think she is truly just like a teenage intern from, from that, what, miss Myrtle school
Jagger:for girls or whatever. She she
Alfredo:is definitely not severed because of the way she spoke about the innies. She's like, you shouldn't let them have the funeral because it, yeah, it makes them think that they're human, essentially.
Kopfhamer:So she's definitely wondering.
Jagger:Fuck her for snitching on mister Milchick
Alfredo:Big for too big
Jagger:words. Too many big words. Like, we'll get big, little little girls. Like, read or something.
Kopfhamer:Using the paperclips the wrong way.
Jagger:I know. This is, like, some petty, petty shit. It's because of the theremin. She was pissed off. She couldn't play her little bow.
Alfredo:Should've let her cook, though. Real talk, though. You should've let her cook.
Jagger:You knew in her face. She's like, I'm gonna snitch.
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Alfredo:Alright, guys. The the name of title of this episode was Trojan's horse, like, very specifically misspoken by Rick in here. And, Koff, I know you have your own thoughts on it, but my question is this, is because I do believe that the the title is very intentional. There is an actual Trojan horse, but I think there's more than one. And I think it all depends on what angle we're looking at this from because I think it's easy to say it could be Helly.
Alfredo:I think it's easy to say it's it actually is just Rickon's book. But I'm looking at reintegrated Mark as being a Trojan horse of of some sort. And, honestly, Irving, all along, he's had something cooking on the outside. He went to Lumen with an agenda in mind. And we see during his, let's call it funeral, he's been there for three years.
Alfredo:If you look at the quarters, he was there from let me read it out. It was quarter eight seventy to August. So Irving's been there for quite some time if they are actually, you know, using quarters the way that North Pacific does. Mhmm. Right.
Alfredo:Quarters could be any it could be it could be weeks. It could be months, or it could just be every time they finish a a file in Cold Harbor or something. We we have no idea. My theory is this, is I actually think Irving is the Trojan horse we don't know about yet and that we will. And I wonder because this was brought up in the Lexington letter, he may have been an employee sent in by Doerner Therapeutics, a direct competitor of Lumen.
Alfredo:And with his military background, I think that could be a really, really interesting way to open up the world here in Severance and get it outside of Kier and outside of Lumen.
Jagger:Yeah. Yeah.
Jagger:I agree. I'm leaning into that as well. Like and I won't even limit it to where it might not be just a competitor. I would say military, newspaper, anything. Like, he he is a I don't wanna call him a mole because I respect what he's doing.
Jagger:He's a g that is doing the lore. Whistleblower. Blister blower, boot on the ground. That sounds like a snitch too. Sorry, cough.
Jagger:I got
Kopfhamer:is going to me. Yeah.
Jagger:My my sister in law's legitimately the lawyer that handles that, and she says weird shit all the time. So Alright.
Alfredo:We're gonna redact this. Cut that from
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Moving on.
Jagger:Sorry, Kimberly. I didn't mean to blow up your spot like that.
Kopfhamer:And then you dropped her name. No names. Fuck. What are you doing?
Alfredo:Jagger's the most unintentional snitch I've ever met.
Alfredo:nope.
Kopfhamer:Nope. Doesn't sound fun.
Alfredo:So okay. So back to the this whole theory with the Trojan horse thing. I think there's, every single one of these is a Trojan horse. And I think that right now, everyone has their agenda. Shit.
Alfredo:And as I'm as I'm saying it, like, I almost wonder how much of Milchik and what he's doing could start to become something where he's turning on Lumen. Because I think he's at a point where he's he's so frustrated with Lumen as a company, with the people around him. We see it at the end of the episode where he's taking out his frustrations and his anger on Mark s. He's pissed. And he does exactly what most bosses do in a work environment.
Alfredo:You just take it out on the employee that you don't like. And I've never seen him get up in his face like that. It wasn't even, like, the physical thing that happened with Dylan. The fact that he got up in Mark's face and and he he cursed. Like, I've never even heard him use profanity.
Alfredo:That was it was a very different Milchick that we're seeing here.
Kopfhamer:That that wasn't You could When he cursed, it wasn't like damn or shit. It was fuck. You fucked Dylan Egan. Like, he went I
Alfredo:I audibly gasped like a little girl when he said it. I was like,
Jagger:for any When
Kopfhamer:he went pearls?
Jagger:When he went superwire, it was stringer bell. I just said, well, take it off his glasses because I get the wire. Super like, he's the most well spoken dude. But when those glasses come off, it's gangster as fuck right there. And I and, like, I'm gonna ask you fellas.
Jagger:Are you are you becoming team Milchick? Like, I've I find myself watching this, and I'm just like Dar City is watching. I'm just like,
Kopfhamer:do it. You know? Yeah. He'll flow through you.
Jagger:Yeah. I know. Absolutely. Yeah. The whole time, dude, especially we
Kopfhamer:we was talking to Natalie. Talking to Natalie.
Kopfhamer:We got we got some humanity. Breaking.
Jagger:Yeah. Humanity. And it's just like the the corporate the corporate brainwashing right now. They're the corporate brainwashing and and the ancestors are battling inside of them.
Alfredo:then the other one is the Kieran blackface. Got it.
Kopfhamer:He's obsessed with melons.
Jagger:Jokes aside, as a black dude, I legitimately, like, felt I because, like, I I mean, I actually got crap from some of you guys for saying that, like, I thought he was a boot licker. I thought he looked at it with, like, you know, like a chub in his pants that he was actually recognized by the the the folks up top. But especially now I understand where he's at, where you're you're you're too white for the black kids and too black for the white here. You're getting you you got miss Wong talking shit because using big words. It's like, come on.
Jagger:I thought we were in a corporate environment here. And then you got like, well, you accepted our gift with graciousness. One of the good ones. You know? How it just it it was, you felt the ick for him, especially more and more every time.
Jagger:And and and you wonder if, you know, the phrase, from Batman to quote, like, the exit text that is Batman. You know, live your
Jagger:a hero or live longest, long enough to see yourself become a villain. And right now, we're seeing that. It's just what villain is he gonna be? Is he gonna be a Lumen villain, or is he gonna be, like, I'm gonna turn into Cobell villain?
Alfredo:Yeah. I mean, we definitely see a very different version of him because, like, you could tell. He definitely wanted to manage the severed floor in a way that was different than Cobell with almost some humanity where he could almost like he wanted to be the Michael Scott where he's like, I'm everyone's friend. We are friends. Like, you could tell.
Alfredo:He actually doesn't have friends. Even in that brief moment where he's trying to reach out to Natalie of, like, as, you know, someone who probably has a shared experience at this company, how did you feel about your paintings? Like, you could tell he probably has zero friends or anyone that he can actually enjoy company with. And I do think to a certain extent, like, he Michael Scott did this, and he wanted to be everyone's friend and have them enjoy their workplace a little bit more and and at the same time save his job. And now he's realizing, well, fuck.
Alfredo:I can't. And I think he's very much exactly where Mark s is. He's broken and in a different way. It's I mean, all of it's been by Lumen. Like, it's just it's so representative of this show.
Alfredo:It's just keep breaking people and breaking their will until they just do exactly what we want them to do. It's it's it's beautifully written.
Kopfhamer:you think black girl magic
Jagger:here looks like though? Like, what did her paintings look like? It's just like a light skinned girl with, like, bantu knots and a beard. You know?
Alfredo:Nicki Minaj with an Abraham Lincoln beard would have
Kopfhamer:What what I found really interesting in this episode during the performance review, I'm gonna call him Frolic because I don't know what the guy's name is, but he brings up
Alfredo:Drama. Oh, drums.
Kopfhamer:Thank you. Yes. Forgot about that. So he brings up how met all these, you know, implementations of, kindness reforms and all that. He's like, and they've had no effect.
Kopfhamer:And then Milczyk spits out back at him. He's like, I'm not Harmony Cobell. And I think that's a very pointed contradiction in this show of, like, season one, we had this almost boomer esque manager who ran the floor with an iron fist with fear and shame, and she got results. But, like, it
Jagger:She sung songs too.
Kopfhamer:They had their moments. But she ran it like a this tight ship, and she got results done. And you could tell that Milczyk in the background is like, I don't like this. Especially when you saw him let loose in that the m the musical
Alfredo:experience. Not every single second in command? Is that not every single second in command they look at? I can do this better. I've learned from that person's mistake.
Alfredo:I can do this better. And then they get in, and it's just a vicious cycle because, like, now the whole thing was he was the younger, hipper, cooler version than than miss Cobell. And now you've got a miss Wong who's, like, just comically, hilariously younger,
Kopfhamer:but Yeah.
Alfredo:Not cool, not hip, like, not anything. It doesn't connect to the employees at all. I would not be surprised if we do get to a point here where Milchik is actually removed from his spot as the manager of the severed floor. It's miss Wong running everything.
Kopfhamer:I don't think I think they bring Cobell back. I think they actually bring Cobell back because I was thinking about that earlier today too. I was like, it's been, like, three three or four episodes since we've seen her. And Mhmm. Either they're doing one of right.
Kopfhamer:Either they're doing one or two things. From a storytelling standpoint, that's too big of a character to just drop unceremoniously and never bring back. So I really think that she's
Alfredo:back for next episode, by the way.
Kopfhamer:Okay. So I think she's really setting up I I think that Lumen is setting Milchik up to be a scapegoat so the next time something happens to, you know, stop Cold Harbor from happening, they can kick him to the curb, and they can bring Kobel back, and she can draconian the floor again and and make shit happen. So I really do think that Lumen has, you know, ulterior motives when it comes to Milchick as an employee. I don't think they're, giving him as much leash as he thinks he has.
Jagger:I haven't brought this up, but I really appreciate miss Wong because, like, if you again, anyone who's worked in the corporate world when they really do bring in middle management that is, like, half your age, you're like, what and it really does feel like that. They're, like, not literally miss Wong age, but it feels like, wow. You brought in a 10 year old. Cool. You know?
Jagger:So, like, you almost gotta think, are they setting her up to fail too? Because what what what let's say that military comes in there. What is the public gonna say or something when they're like, yeah. They had this 10 year old playing the theremin and cracking the whip on all these, like, adults in there. Like, what what is their fallout plan?
Jagger:Because at this point, and I guess it's a good transition, they have any's die on the floor. That's confirmed. It was like, we we already kind of gathered that this may happen. We've already seen the paintings and stuff like that. Then we get fucking Brienne of Tarth in there.
Jagger:It's like, are you here to kill us? And then, you know, they're they've already got a bereavement kit ready there. So it just it just beyond me of, like, what is their plan b with cold cold harbor,
Alfredo:you know. I was gonna I was gonna say, like, I was actually not thinking that they had experienced deaths with innies, but you're right. When it comes to the having, like, a bereavement kit ready
Alfredo:Is it would that only be for the death of an innie? Could it be for anything else? I can't I can't imagine what else an innie would be sad about.
Kopfhamer:Well, miss Wong mentioned she's like she mentioned she's like, are these only for when an any dies on the floor? And he's in the floor. Typically. So Yeah. To me, that could be that could be as benign as
Alfredo:if he had
Kopfhamer:a heart attack or a stroke and he died on the floor. Like, that happens in real life offices all the time. Right? People die in the church.
Jagger:Too much fuck shit, though, to know that it's not just that. Cough, come on now.
Kopfhamer:Well, it's so,
Alfredo:like, that that leads us to the other thing is is, for example, this whole funeral death of Irving was him obviously getting fired, but we also find out at the end of this episode is that Bert didn't actually retire. Yes. Bert was fired and then came back for this, quote, retirement party where Irving aptly called it his death, his funeral. So I don't know that we really have anyone that gets to choose to leave Lumen. They basically choose when you get to leave, and, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more fuck shit going on.
Jagger:And you gotta think, like, obviously, the the o and d department's important because they they manufacture all this stuff. But the that should be even more telling of why they would remove they head so quickly because it felt like Bert was fucking up the MDR department shit at that point. And it's just like, no. No. No.
Jagger:No. No. This is more important than you making paintings and apparently fucking dental equipment or whatever in there. So and and they they they took them out like that because it almost feels like a little bit of Truman Show except everyone is, like, or or in this case, nobody is in on it. Where it's like, yeah, your purpose doesn't really matter except to make this other dude happy.
Jagger:And that's almost very literal for MDR. You
Kopfhamer:know? It does seem like MDR is the crux of the of the severance program and with Yeah. In yeah. Everything else seems to just support MDR.
Jagger:I don't know what the goats do, and I said goats this time. So or is it sheep?
Alfredo:We'll find out. No. It is goats. It is goats. You said sheep before.
Alfredo:It is goats. Okay. So, so, like, this brings us now to we we were talking about we referenced this dentist guy that the whole episode starts with, and he's he's whistling this song that's, the wreck of the Fitzgerald as he's taking It's
Jagger:a deep cut.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. I I had to I had to research it because
Alfredo:I was like, this sounds like a cool song. I got no idea what the fuck it is, but it sounds dope. And look it up. And as he's taking these materials that just basically look like what
Jagger:a a dental squealer.
Alfredo:Yeah. Like, a dental hygienist would use. But he's taking us down the export hall to that elevator, and we don't see who this person is, what they're doing. But the understanding is with them whistling this song from the outside is that they are probably unsevered, like we were finding out with miss Wong and Milchick and and a bunch of these people. But I I did a little research on what this is, the wreck of the Fitzgerald.
Alfredo:It was a mysterious crash, of of a ship that was a freighter taking iron to various ports of the Great Lakes in in Yep. We can obviously Michigan vibe now to what we're looking at in here. And, the entire crew vanished where bodies were not found. And this is interesting. I don't know what to make of this, but I do know that the show is very intentional with everything they do.
Alfredo:Why the hell could they be showing us this guy and taking things down to the Export Hall? Because now he's the one that takes over everything from that department. They are no longer allowed to go that down there.
Kopfhamer:To me,
Jagger:that's the exit exit.
Kopfhamer:I was gonna say that severance is secretly a drag to the show now because that sounds like the, the last, voyage of the Demeter or whatever.
Jagger:The Demeter.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah. No no bodies were found and empty ship in the harbor. So Severance is actually a vampire show. Shit.
Alfredo:Nice. Nice. But back to the actual theory.
Jagger:Yeah. I was supposed to say cool.
Alfredo:Where where is this door leading to? This hallway leading to? Why is he the only one that can go in and out?
Jagger:Well, I and I think he's another severed employee, but, like, to me, that's the, like, that's the cheese, I feel like, for for the the innings. Like, they got this whole maze there, and, yeah, they have the one entrance, but that obviously just resets them. It's not an actual out. That is a door that maybe doesn't have whatever block or whatever fucking sensor, like, you're leaving a store with a with a tag on, whatever. It doesn't work there.
Jagger:So that's what I think we're getting is a little bit of an Easter egg for what, what their end goal could be if they want a mass breakout or something.
Alfredo:I I think they need to make us keep caring about what that hallway is and what's at the end of it. Or in it
Jagger:or yeah.
Alfredo:Yeah. Or in it, what goes, like, where this elevator goes to. And, if we're going back to the intro of the show, that's why when we look down that hallway at the end of the intro, you start to see both Hallie and Gemma in that that elevator space at the end of the hall. And so I really think that's gonna end up being where we end up on on on the very last episode of this season.
Kopfhamer:Mhmm. And we're also assuming there's only one severed floor. I don't know if we can safely make that assumption. There may be several sub levels under where the MDR offices are that have different types of severed.
Jagger:See, I think that's true. Like, I think severed floor is, like or and they kinda say severed they say severed severed level sometimes too that it's, like, legitimately, like I wouldn't be surprised if it's, like, 40 stories deep at this point.
Alfredo:Like, it's Harry Potter ass elevator that goes
Jagger:all different directions. We don't even know. Oh, yeah. We'll We may have it flies up. Underground.
Kopfhamer:It would not surprise me if Lumen as a company would have an entire compound underground Yeah. That nobody knows about.
Jagger:Yeah. Like, take whatever theory you've heard about Denver International Airport. Just shove that into what's going on in Lumen. They've got
Kopfhamer:I've been
Alfredo:there enough times to experience it.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo:Alright. So this episode left us with a lot of questions going into next week. Guys, what do you think we're going to end up seeing next week, or what's the biggest question that you want answered going into next week? The Cobell
Kopfhamer:I wanna see more.
Jagger:Chess piece.
Kopfhamer:Right. Yep. Cobell? Okay. Yeah.
Kopfhamer:Cobell? And I wanna see more of the reintegration process because Mhmm. Was the the weird breast milk looking stuff he was drinking? Was that, like, a I'm
Alfredo:glad you said breast milk because it looked like something else.
Jagger:It it Yeah. Well Either way, I didn't wanna wanna drink
Kopfhamer:But I'm assuming that's part of that process. Right? Is maybe some sort of protein that helps keep the brain from killing itself or something.
Jagger:I'm ready to be him to do the movie, and
Kopfhamer:Oh, let's
Alfredo:but let's let's bring up that, though. Like, we did start to see the coughing going on here. I've seen both sides where people are saying, like, oh, that's not part of reintegration sickness, but we did see Petey coughing when he
Alfredo:Like, it it's pretty clear that's what this is, and and the substance that he's drinking is to help this process. Do you think that we're gonna get a lot more of it in the next episode? Every time that we think we know what direction the show is going and we know that always well, they have for example, previous episode are like, well, they've gotta start with Irving being out there in the cold. Right? Because they just made him go back to normal.
Alfredo:We never got that answer. So it almost seems like every time we get the ending of an episode, they say, fuck you. We're gonna do whatever we want and go a totally different direction. We'll get back to that question in about five episodes.
Jagger:back to unreliable narration. Like, legitimately, the only timeline that we have in order right now is Helly, if you really think about it. Helly's are only they or Helly Helly Helly is the only thing that's congruent. Right now with Mark, it's just, alright, I'm awake. Oh, what's going on in here?
Jagger:And then with Irving, it's just we barely we get less with him. And then Dylan is just providing excellent commentary. So, like, right now, you know, I don't really even know what time it is. So Yeah.
Alfredo:way, was it just me or is, Bert's a little too flirty for a married man.
Jagger:Bert was ready, dude. He's like, I told you, dawg. He he loves us.
Alfredo:Going on.
Jagger:Yeah. He come bring expensive wine. Where cool black
Alfredo:expensive wine.
Jagger:They're gonna be wearing mask and dancing to fucking, like, goodbye seagulls or
Kopfhamer:Bro, you don't make a ham if you're not trying to fuck. Like Yeah.
Alfredo:I'm
Kopfhamer:sorry. For those words that you live by, like, what do we
Kopfhamer:You've never had rum ham? I'm telling you.
Jagger:Let's Just trim it out
Alfredo:Definitely cutting that ham and sex. Dude, that's $35.11.
Alfredo:the ham. Alright. That sounds like we're about done with this episode, but, of course, we're gonna be back again next week to talk about episode six of Severance season two. And later on in this week, we're gonna be back to talk about episode five of season three of Invincible where that's just been a really fun show. We've been breaking down everything that's going on there.
Alfredo:So if you have not already, please be sure to subscribe to this podcast here either on YouTube or on Apple or Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. And, as always, from for myself, for Jagger, for Koff, I wanna thank you guys for watching or listening all the way through. We'll see you next time. Adios.
