Today, we're giving you our review and breakdown as we discuss Invincible season three episode five. Well, guys, we got a lot of world building. We got mister Lou, Titan, Machine Head, Multipaul. Listen. We we know that there are more challenges on the way for Mark, AKA Invincible.
Alfredo:But with all the changes from the comics to the show and the things that we could see as different threats, is the order actually going to be a real opposing force for Invincible? We're gonna talk about all that and more on an all new episode of Unbinge starting now.
Jagger:This is a review podcast of Invincible. We're breaking down everything we've seen in season three and a few things in the comic books.
Alfredo:Alright, guys. Let's start off here with the episode. It seemed a little fillery, but good filling, I guess. Like, it's it's it's a doughnut. You know?
Alfredo:We're we're fine. Jagger, what's your review on this one? How did you feel about it? Let's give it the score one out of 10.
Jagger:It's a seven. This it's not a banger, but I wouldn't say it's a skip. You know? Like, it it it's not like how anime does a filler episode for you sometimes. And, like, me and Koff were talking a little bit.
Jagger:This was enjoyable, especially when you've watched the comments because it wasn't even filler for me. I'm just like, woah. Where are we at on the timeline? I'm like, did what what is this? We actually get to see a functional tie in to multi pawn duplicates backstory without just, like, a little panel that says, like, their dad went nuts because of a curse.
Jagger:So, like like, to me, this they do a good job at providing you filler that you kinda want or at least like at the end of it. Like you said, like a donut. Like, do I does my body need this? But no. But it liked it.
Kopf:Yeah. Exactly. It really fleshed out the world, expanded the world, especially in the villain side because we've seen throughout the season so far, like, more and more heroes pop up. And now we're seeing an expansion on the villain side. Like that last scene with machine head at the head of the table with all those villains, as far as I know, I've never seen any of them in the comics.
Kopf:Maybe Mhmm. Maybe in the background of panels, but I'm very excited where what they left us with and where we can go with this new expanded roster and world. And, obviously, we know the major points if you've read the comics of what's happening next, but it's nice to know that they have in the their back pocket is the showrunners and creators these side characters and side stories they can pull from to help expand each season and make it feel like a real world instead of just rushing through the main plot lines. So I actually really appreciated this show or this episode, and I'm gonna give it an eight and a half because I think they did some really smart things with relationships in the show and really showing where Mark and Eve and Debbie and Oliver are grow are growing and and going together. So I I really like this episode.
Jagger:That's well put, man. Yeah. Like, it's like like, you're right. It is an eight and a half. Like, I feel good.
Jagger:Like, I feel good about it. Because like I said, I had fun. And it's, like, sometimes with these shows, it like, when you give us a ten after, like, at ten after ten after ten, when you slow down a little bit, you're like, wow. But, like, even, like, Invincible's filler is better than, like, anything that, like, Star Wars or Marvel television has given us so far where that which which kind of feels like filler.
Alfredo:Damn. That was straight shots Yep.
Jagger:At Star Wars and Marvel. Sorry. They had it coming, though. They had it coming.
Alfredo:Yeah. I'm gonna give this a 7.5. You guys, like, kinda bumped me up as as you were talking there. I was gonna go with the straight seven, because it does it did feel like a filler episode, but you you're very right, Coffin, that it was expanding on this world. It was creating a whole new world.
Alfredo:And, for someone who has not read the comics and I don't know what direction they're going, I I do feel like I get a better understanding of these characters and the threats that are here in this invincible universe. And, hearing about mister Lou and talking about how the dragon is from beyond this reality, the powers from beyond this reality, that starts to make me question where we could be going with this. And there's, you know, there's all kinds of different multiversal things that you guys have alluded to, that the show was alluded to. So I'm I'm very intrigued by that, and even for a filler, it was still intriguing. So I'll give it a seven and a half.
Alfredo:I absolutely loved Machine Head in this episode. It just every single scene that he was in was awesome. Let's talk about him. Let's talk about him, Titan, mister Lou, this, I guess, group of villains here and The order. Yeah.
Jagger:I need I need a Mauler twin replacement. Like, the Mauler twins, I like, I think they're the ultimate ground level nuisance. Kinda like Spider Man had a couple of good ones on there. Invincible having the Mahler or everyone having the Mahler twins that's just this problem that and they get used because they're smart and brilliant. I need that for machine head.
Jagger:Because now, like like you said, he's a fun lever. You have a superpowered group of villains with probably a fuck ton of money. So if you need an alternative to the GDA, I might do some deals over with the order sometimes. Like, I'm also kind of a shitty person. I'm not I'm not like Mark.
Jagger:I would do some bad stuff for money depending on what it is. You know? Maybe I'm I'm more of a multi Paul.
Kopf:You seem like more of a titan. Yeah. The titan is
Alfredo:self aware, and I'm I'm proud of you for being
Jagger:self aware. Like, I wouldn't like I said, I'm not doing, like, the bad crimes. I'm not, like, trafficking people, but I will sell drugs for money or something at a high level.
Kopf:You're doing it for your family. You're doing it for the right reasons.
Alfredo:What's the line? I need to know. What's your line? Don't say anything incriminating. Just what's the line?
Jagger:Women and kids. Like, I'm not in no business like that, and I'm not trying to shoot up the neighborhood. I wanna keep the streets clean.
Alfredo:We go. So Okay.
Kopf:Yes. No hurting people
Alfredo:and and and no bothering women. Okay. Yeah. There you go.
Jagger:Yeah. I'm just like I
Alfredo:like it.
Jagger:If you're a regular Joe, like, going like a mailman, I'm not trying to fuck with you.
Alfredo:You ain't you ain't
Jagger:a doctor.
Alfredo:Criminal. You know?
Jagger:Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Nice criminal.
Alfredo:I wanted a good one. Oh god. Okay. So, from this one, I like, I think as much as I loved Machine Head because every single time he was on screen, it was it was funny. It was just captivating.
Alfredo:I I left this episode saying, what the fuck when it came to mister Lou and this power of the dragon and the way it ended too with Great Wall essentially reviving him, and it gives me the same vibes as a Ra's al Ghul. Oh, my god. I can't believe I said Ra's because the what I'm thinking of is specifically Batman, begins, wherein that the, quote, Ra's al Ghul was using another, quote, Ra's al Ghul as his sort of buffer. And that's my question, not knowing this. Was this is this the buffer?
Alfredo:Is Great Wall just the armor for mister Lou? Is it is he the power of the dragon?
Jagger:This is, like, new incident, Koff?
Kopf:Yeah. Yeah. Like This I don't recognize any of this. Like, I I know mister Lou had the dragon power, but that's the as far as I remember, that's as far as they explained. So this is all
Jagger:the splash page in my mind. Yeah.
Kopf:It was a splash
Jagger:page. I
Kopf:literally did. Yeah. Mhmm.
Jagger:Yeah. It was like, okay. This is a problem. Oh, fuck a dragon. Kill the dragon until it's over.
Kopf:So this is all new territory as far as the show is concerned, which is why I enjoyed it so much. I was like, shit. This is cool as hell. This is an expansion I was not expecting. And those, you know, that sometimes those are hit or miss.
Kopf:But this, I thought, was a very smart way to do it and bring in this this power that we don't know or recognize or know how to defeat, essentially. And now this could be a bigger problem down the line, for Mark and for Earth. So I'm I'm excited about it.
Jagger:And as we've seen now, man, like, Multipaw is about four panels in the comic book. He comes in. It's like, you killed my sister. Kate's like, Multipaul? What?
Jagger:And then, you know, and then he kinda fucks off. And now that we now that we actually get a backstory and, again, I don't think they're gonna how much do you think they're gonna pay Simi Liu for I mean, you're gonna pay Simi Liu and you're gonna hope to use them for a while. So, again, this is going beyond the comics to where we get more. Because, like, if anything, as I'm reading Invincible, I keep thinking I was like, man, this storyline can be longer. This storyline can be longer.
Jagger:And they're cooking, and they're they're giving that to me with the show. So Right.
Kopf:That's what's so exciting. This adaptation, they're they're giving it time to breathe and room to really grow into a way the comics, unfortunately, just couldn't because of time and budget where the show doesn't have those same issues.
Alfredo:Well, I I but I like what they're doing here is by simply stating that my power, when mister Liu says that my power is from beyond this reality, not only does Invincible yeah. Not only does Invincible not understand that, but we as the viewers or even comic book readers don't understand it either. And it does leave that door open for maybe it's not the end all be all with the Viltrumites and whatever we're we're used to from the comics and the story that we already know, because there's, like, a fine line that comic book adaptations have to straddle, and it's how faithful do we stay to not piss off readers, but how do we give them something new so they're not bored of just getting the same story? And I think this is really that perfect opening for them where they do the world building, but they also give Mark a real threat that can go beyond the whole Viltrumite, you know, remainings. And I I think it could be really cool, man.
Alfredo:Like, I think it opens up a massive new world for them, and they could go so many seasons with this show.
Jagger:And, technically think that do you think there's room for spin offs now? Because, like, we we kinda talked about this. Yeah.
Alfredo:I I mean, they they kinda tried it already with, Adam Eve. She had, like, a little, like, mini season.
Kopf:One a special. Yeah. Which they'll probably do for Rex, and they'll probably do for me and
Jagger:a couple other characters. Yeah. I just think that they have so much room with an not just invincible within the universe, but with, I I would just say the Image Comics as a whole. And I don't mean they need to recreate the DCU because one thing I like about Invincible is it's so contained. But, like, maybe if they just have offshoots to other storylines that I can read that I don't constantly have to do home or watch and I don't have to constantly do homework in, I would wanna see that story.
Jagger:Because at this point now, if I I I'm okay seeing some gangster crime shit with, like, monsters. Like, like, I'm all in on Titan storyline, how he handles shit. I know they can't afford Mahershala Ali anymore because I don't know what he's doing. So it's It's
Alfredo:not Blade. Blade. It's not fucking Blade.
Jagger:RIP. Yeah. It's like, is he is he depressed too? Like, where where is he at?
Kopf:But what I've forgotten is, mister Lou saying, like, my powers from beyond this reality. Like, that's clearly insinuating alternate dimensions. And what I forgot, they introduced that back in season one with the Flaxons. So they've already played with interdimensional storylines. So this is just another opening that they can do into that, like, playground, if you will.
Kopf:So I think this is, again, a very smart episode with how it was written and how it gave them future open story lines without changing the main story from the comic.
Alfredo:So this whole idea now that I mean, there's Machine Head who is the new leader of the order. You've got this, this episode was kinda the reason it's gonna feel like filler is because it was showing us the duality of Titan as this sort of, like, family man yet also crime boss. And, I feel like we got a lot of the same things in Daredevil with Kingpin. You know, it felt very similar to that. I'm curious as to the order now.
Alfredo:Like, where is can it be more than just the b plot? Can it be something that we actually look forward to on a weekly basis and it's not the Viltrumites, it's not Omni Man, it's not Oliver making a change, it's not what what could that be for you, Koff?
Kopf:Oh, great question. If they could keep introducing some of these villains as not only a thorn in Mark's side, but a legitimate threat to, like, the GDA and to new I don't know what they're gonna call them, but the former Teen Titans that are now forming, if they could actually show this group of villains being something more than just a joke like the Lizard League was, then I could see this being a a fruitful endeavor for future storylines. I don't think they'll ever really be a main threat though just because of with how powerful the upcoming virtual might threat is. It kinda overshadows everything else. And that's not to say a bad thing, but that's almost to be expected with how powerful these this this empire is.
Kopf:Even if there's only, what, 50 of them left, like, they're still the biggest threat in the entire universe, so nothing else can really kinda live up to that.
Jagger:And I guess to answer your question as as well, I think that that's why a spin off would work on its own because you can have these storylines and actually do what Marvel tried to do on Netflix where these were contained stories that, yeah, they'll reference what happens elsewhere, but they're not exact tie ins, and these are other problems that are happening. You just do it a lot better than they did because you're not you're doing on two different companies trying to work together. So it it'd be like, I would a %, like I said, watch a show, whatever. If they need a a break in between Invincible and they wanna give me Titan or a crime shit, whatever you wanna call it, I'm there.
Kopf:Yeah. And if they could do a penguin a penguin type for Titan like, a penguin type show for Titan would be awesome.
Alfredo:Mhmm. Okay. So you guys say that, and I'll probably get shit for this in the comments, but I think it's very different when you do a a penguin show that's live action with Colin Farrell after having seen that character in a movie and for probably the most, I'm wearing them, marketable superhero on the planet next to Spider Man. I don't know if there's the same audience for this. Like, I know you guys love Invincible.
Alfredo:Is there the same audience for this? They could even do spin offs? Like, I don't
Kopf:Not you. I don't
Alfredo:know if it's
Kopf:But you gotta build it somewhere.
Jagger:That's what I'm saying.
Kopf:Slow Right?
Jagger:Slow play it. Slow play it.
Kopf:Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo:I could see it. Let us know in the comments, guys, if you think. If you think they could actually pull off some sort of spin off and what spin off you'd like to see, because I think that's very interesting. I'm kind of in the camp that I don't think they can pull it off. You guys seem to think that with time, absolutely.
Kopf:I'd be they've already shown us that Titan is is incredibly smart. He is he has tricked Mark, which not that great of an a feat, but he's tricked Mark twice.
Alfredo:He's tricked You mean the guy who can't set up a fucking email? Yeah. He'll get him, but
Jagger:Mark It's
Alfredo:not that impressive.
Kopf:But he did trick Machine Head who had, what, a quantum computer chip in his head at one point. Like, he was able to boil his plan. He tricked mister Lou. Like, he has shown that he is not only smarter, but more intuitive and and inventive than we give him credit for. So I think he could be, very much a penguin of the invincible universe.
Alfredo:Alright. Good pitch. Good pitch. I can see it.
Jagger:Real question is, you know, we talked a little bit about this preshow. What are the extents of Multipaul's powers, and how does he abuse them? And how often?
Alfredo:Okay. Let's talk about this. If listen. If you have baby ears right now and you don't wanna hear this conversation, just skip ahead, like, five minutes. Let's talk about this, though.
Alfredo:Jagger, go for it. Just go for it. Go dive in head first.
Jagger:I'm just saying, like, we've already seen him explode himself outside of, outside of his cabinet.
Alfredo:If he could self explode himself, in other ways?
Jagger:Yes. Exactly. Like, you especially when you're in a cell on there. And then we already kinda know that they experienced trauma. Meaning that, like, if you die multiple times, you're gonna when when you come back to, you're like, oh, wow.
Jagger:That sucks. So do you feel the same shame?
Kopf:Something else?
Jagger:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you would feel shameful because you, like, not only did you like, if you're bisexual We're
Kopf:assuming we're assuming his sexuality. What if he's gay? Then it's no big deal.
Jagger:What I'm saying.
Alfredo:It might
Jagger:he might there might not be no shame there.
Alfredo:It might
Jagger:just be But it okay. Hold on. Hold on. The time.
Alfredo:This this transcends sexuality. This transcends all of it. It's doing it to yourself. Just jerking yourself off.
Jagger:At the end
Kopf:of the day autophallatio? Yeah. Yeah. People can do that in real life now if they're flexible enough. Marilyn Manson supposedly could do it.
Jagger:That's a myth. We've all we've all fell for that. Millennials will
Kopf:let that go. Some ribs removed?
Alfredo:That was no. Okay. That was the
Kopf:The nineties.
Jagger:That was
Alfredo:the those were those were the best late nineties, early '2 thousands rumors going around. Like, Marilyn Manson was sucking himself off. Mountain Dew was making your dick smaller. Like, there were so many great do you guys remember anything else? I feel like I'm missing a bunch
Jagger:of money. Smaller one, I think that evolved for Mountain Dew kills your your sperm count. Sorry. What was your your pee pee smaller?
Kopf:It's a yellow dummy number five or whatever. Yeah.
Alfredo:And every little 11 year old boy walking around with a small pee pee was just like, dang. I gotta stop drinking Mountain Dew.
Jagger:I think that's the government working itself out. They're like, we're gonna sterilize people who exclusively drink Mountain Dew.
Alfredo:And that was, dude, that was a time to be alive because shit got around. Mhmm. No. Baja Bla is definitely not safe. They they put in Taco Bell.
Alfredo:You're fucked. I'm fucked. You're absolutely fucked. Those babies are still alive. There was no social media then.
Alfredo:Like, if you were hearing these rumors, it's because some kid at another school talked to another kid at another school, and it just kept getting around and around and around to someone else's big brother who then told another person. Just, yeah, great times.
Jagger:Anyway, we'll bring it back, guys. That went off the, you just gotta wonder when yeah. I know. I mean, we have someone, like, multiple. You watch him do the craziest shit with his power.
Jagger:He's just like, alright. We're just gonna explode out of here. I'm gonna sit here because I got rock hard abs and watch myself die, essentially. Like and I'm wondering why more of his juice didn't, like, shoot up. Like, wouldn't it, like, kinda toothpaste a little bit before it would break out?
Jagger:Like, like, if you're an engineer, let me know because I think it would
Kopf:Physics was not my strong suit.
Jagger:Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo:I I need that answer because, like, I understand he just kinda kept multiplying, multiplying, multiplying until the door broke. I need the answer on that because, like, what kind of crazy force do you need to be having to break the door like that?
Jagger:I mean, that's just pressure and how many pounds of it that are behind it. But and that's my point in saying that, like, he would be crushed too. He couldn't just sit up. Is he super strong?
Kopf:Well, he was supposed to no. He's he's he has no other power. Yeah. He has no other power other than to multiply him and Kate are normal people with, you know, acrobatic and military fight training, but they don't have superpowers beyond being able to multiply it themselves.
Jagger:These fucking hands.
Alfredo:Yeah. So, like, that was the only thing. It's like, I thought the scene was really cool. It was a really creative way for him to use his powers. It was, really good gross out right at the beginning.
Alfredo:It's, like, the only time where I turned my brain on, and I'm like, wait a second. Does that does that actually, like could that work? And I think if anything, what it does is it makes his powers more scary, because they seem to defy logic by some sort of standard. Like, even come sitting there going, why doesn't he have a power dampening collar on? Like, we see for every villain in every version of every superhero universe.
Alfredo:And then as he's bringing out, they're like, oh, yeah. By the way, bink, we're gonna put that on you. And it's like, oh, okay. And then by the end of the episode, he still breaks out of it. And so, like, I I guess I could turn my brain off and say, okay.
Alfredo:I guess he's able to to use his powers this way. If I'm doing that though, it actually makes his powers that much more scary because they do seem to defy logic throughout the comics, and it makes him kinda be able to do whatever he wants.
Jagger:And my question is, will the caller Why
Kopf:sorry. I was just gonna say he overloaded the caller to his own to his own expense. Like, it hurt him to overload it. That's all he did.
Jagger:No. I
Kopf:mean, he got the 11 shows.
Jagger:Come on now. Like, you
Kopf:know, he's just, like Well, yeah. But then you saw, like, all six weeks explode out of him. Well, sure. But I'm just saying, like, it hurt himself to overload it, but it's not like the the collar had a limit to what it could dampen, and he just went We're
Alfredo:gonna get we're gonna get so many well, actually, about multiple in here, about his powers.
Jagger:Well, and another thing too, he comes in chastise at Kate. He's just like, oh, you hid your your prime like I told you to? You know? And and then he gets himself caught with the most dumbass way ever. Like like, to me, it's if you're a world class assassin, I would just let my multiple die in jail.
Jagger:Just say, alright. Good luck, dude. You know the the drill. Bloop. And then I would just make another one out of my prime somewhere else.
Jagger:So maybe Multipaul isn't that smart.
Alfredo:Right.
Kopf:My pride
Alfredo:is that what's
Kopf:the bunker they're in. Yeah. I'd be like, Lex is free. Season one or or robot season one where he's, like, in a secret bunker with his real body. That'd be me as, you know, Kate or or Paul.
Kopf:Just like, that's my prime. Never leaving the safe spot. Yep.
Alfredo:Well, I mean, by the end of this, he's free. He does have Sure. A a copy of himself that's been imprisoned by Eve. So Also, is the or he may
Kopf:be free from the order too. They may think he died. So he could be technically super, like
Alfredo:Would they think he died or they think he's imprisoned?
Kopf:Oh. Yes. Oh, true.
Alfredo:Like Yeah. Good point. Yes.
Kopf:Good point. Good point.
Alfredo:Oh, good point. Even better because you don't like, you're not yeah. You just everyone thinks you're in prison and that's it. Like, you're still out of sight out of mind, and he can kinda just operate in
Kopf:the shadows
Alfredo:however he wants. Yeah. This is interesting because from what I understand, this story is way beyond what's going on in
Jagger:the comics. Yeah. This is all speculation. I know nothing.
Alfredo:Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. What do you think what do you guys think is next to duplicate them?
Jagger:Do you it's maybe
Alfredo:I mean, if if you if if there's comic stuff that you guys know and can't say, then never mind. But I meant, like, with with him and Multipaul because they obviously have to continue that story somehow, and we don't see that. I mean, they they hinted
Kopf:they hinted at rehabilitation. Like, she brings it up, and he scoffs at it. But maybe this is his opportunity to do that, and they could add him to the GDA or whatnot. And that way, they expand the roster in a different way from the comics, but still not being super different because, I mean, Kate is with them for a while. So this is just another like, a multiplication of a multiplier.
Alfredo:Yeah. It it sort of feels like we're headed towards a even though I'm a bad guy, you're a good guy, we're gonna have to be on the same team when the built your might show up. And that's it feels like we're just leading to that, and it's kind of the common superhero trope of, like, we're gonna work together to put aside our differences now because I don't wanna know. I live here too. Yeah.
Alfredo:Yeah. Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. And for, like, the big things we have coming up, I know they need to fill out the roster, and we don't have, the rights to stuff like Savage Dragon or, The Astounding Wolfman. So or Spawn, which doesn't belong in any other comic book but Spawn. You know? So, like, maybe maybe they're they're making and having these other chess pieces so we don't have to rely so much on cameos.
Alfredo:Alright. We're gonna keep going on here. But before we do, I just wanna remind everybody, you got a bunch of ways that you can enjoy this show either right here on YouTube. If you're watching, please give this a like. Comment down below with your thoughts on the show, your review of this episode, where you think it's going, how it's expanding beyond the comments, comics, and maybe you disagree with something that we've said here and just wanna let us know.
Alfredo:And and as always, you got you guys can listen to this on Apple or Spotify, and we're not just talking about Invincible. On Sunday, February 23, we're gonna be dropping our episode on Severance season two episode six, Monday. You guys aren't even aware of this, but we're starting White Lotus season three. We're gonna give you our, theories and breakdown of episodes one and two that have, episode one's already happened. Episode two, we're gonna catch up with that, and we'll be back again next Thursday talking about Invincible season three episode six.
Alfredo:Now, guys We we I've got
Kopf:a question for you guys. Do you think do you think I we haven't talked about it yet, but do you think Mark is a contractor or an employee for Invincible? Boy.
Jagger:He's '2 '9 '9.
Kopf:Ten '90 '9? Because he's a contractor.
Jagger:Taxes. They the government ain't gonna pay taxes. They don't even tell you the what you owe them. They're like, figure it out. And if you don't, I'm gonna get you.
Kopf:Because I wanna know if Mark is one of Eve's employees or just a contractor for the company. Because that could be some fun power to They
Jagger:own the business together. It's crazy that they wanted to slow down moving in together on apartment. I'm like, wait till you split
Kopf:up a business.
Jagger:Yeah. Wait till you start a business together. That's crazy. Right.
Alfredo:So the interesting thing that I picked up on this, because at first, I was just kinda like, oh, okay. That's silly. They've got a business together. But really what it leads me to is that they are now privatizing their services, making money off of the government, creating this contract work, and you can kind of already see that it's leading him to making some compromising decisions. Like, Mark's already working with Titan in this episode.
Alfredo:The same shit that he has already given Cecil a bunch of crap for of working with villains that he disagreed. And it looks like all it took was literally just one contract, one job for him to be like, okay. I'll do the same thing. And and I wonder, is this going to eventually lead him to understanding Cecil? Does that bring everybody back together?
Alfredo:Does that just drive a bigger wedge into him because he's such a hypocrite? It kinda it reminds me of that that, quote from, The Dark Knight. You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. And Mark seems like he's become the very villain that he hates in Cecil.
Jagger:Well, I think that come to Jesus meeting is gonna happen real soon. That's all I can say. Real time soon. Yeah. Yep.
Jagger:Like, just like Spider Man, the black suit era ain't forever. So
Kopf:Right. He's gotta learn his lesson and then move on and grow up. And and that's what it's ultimately leading to is the maturation of Mark Grayson as Invincible the Hero. And he's gotta learn these hard lessons because at the we gotta remember, he's still what? 19, 20 at the most?
Kopf:So he is learning through, hardships these lessons on how to be a better hero, but also to look past the black and the white and see the world for what it is, which is more nuanced shades of gray. And so like you said, Alfredo, he is technically a hypocrite at this point. But have we heard before or I have. A hypocrite is just somebody who is changing their ways. Right?
Kopf:They're in the middle of changing their mind or changing their ways. So he is learning through these hey. He had to fight a dragon this episode. And at the end of the day, he had to choose between the lesser of two evils. So, yeah, every once in a while, you gotta work with a villain, quote, unquote, but it's for the greater good.
Kopf:And if he does not learn that lesson, he'll never progress as a hero.
Alfredo:Man, when you said lesser of two evils, it sounded like every single boomer when they go to vote and pick a candidate, and that's the exact terminology they use.
Kopf:Well, that's the thing. Capitalism forces you to make really bad decision or really bad choices. So
Jagger:To to cap to comp them a little bit to, like, I guess, to Superman, what the Viltrumites actually are, like Kryptonians. Clark had Pa Kent to tell him early on, you're scary as fuck, dude. You're absolutely horrifying. And dad grew up with, like, that dad that's like, you're an alpha. You're lying, not sheep.
Jagger:Blah blah blah. Just like, whatever. Like, that's kinda what he grew up with. And granted, he had his mom, so he wasn't a complete dickhead, but I still don't think he quite grasped just how scary he is to pee other people on there. He's just like, well, I'm a hero.
Jagger:I'm the strongest guy ever. Like my dad, everyone wants to come and see me. But, like, it's the like my dad part where you saw what what what Pop Pop could do. And now, more importantly, everyone else saw what Pop Pop can do when he's really angry and when that could be directed against them. So, it's gonna be a rough lesson.
Alfredo:I mean, the biggest lesson is gonna be going into business with this girl.
Jagger:I
Alfredo:think that one's gonna be tough.
Jagger:Ayo. I've
Alfredo:done it. I've done it. I've done it. I'm just saying. Love my wife.
Jagger:I'm just it's not even it's not even just, like, it's not even just doing it, like, with your wife or something like that. I mean, they've been dating, like
Kopf:Going to
Jagger:I know they've known each other a long time.
Alfredo:Everything's going fast, though. We've already got I love you. We've already got an s corp LLC going on. Like, there's there's a lot of implications going on. Mhmm.
Kopf:They're making moves. Making moves. Mhmm. Mhmm. By
Alfredo:the way, Oliver, totally ratting them out, snitching on them.
Kopf:That's hilarious.
Alfredo:It's like
Kopf:a table scene when they were just kicking each other under the table. I laughed my ass off. That was great.
Jagger:I was wondering if they were gonna get too hard and, like, accidentally, like, punt the table through the house or something like that.
Alfredo:I was waiting for that. I was waiting for that. The the other scene that I really loved was when they Eve goes to the prison and starts talking to the warden and offers the whole, like, business card, Invincible Inc, all that. Man, on first listen, I totally thought the warden was CCH Pounder, and I was really ready for you, Jag, to revisit your CCH Pounder role playing here because it was so good. You got the sort of, like, budget Amanda Waller role as being played here.
Alfredo:But you know who it is? It's Joe Marie Payton from Family Matters, and I kinda love it.
Jagger:Oh, yeah.
Alfredo:I love, that Invincible is just bringing back so far, they brought back both the parents from Family Matters, and I kinda wanna see where this keeps expanding. Like, I I love this. But, you
Jagger:know, he's just a huge fan of batters fan. He's just like, I gotta I gotta put in as many Easter eggs as possible. Like, hey. I'm sure one episode, Mark's gonna say, did I do that after, like, obliterating somebody?
Alfredo:We're definitely gonna get Jaleel White as a villain. Yeah. It's all happening.
Kopf:Oh, did Jaleel did Jaleel did Jaleel White?
Jagger:White Renaissance. Yeah. Is is it happening? Oh, yeah.
Alfredo:Jaleel's got
Kopf:space pirate oracle? Fuck. Yeah.
Jagger:Don't call it a White assonance. That doesn't sound good. No.
Alfredo:That that already happened multiple times.
Kopf:2025. Not in 2025.
Alfredo:Let's do it again. God, for you to say
Kopf:I just love that e like, Eve has shown once again she is this capable, like, badass, like, business bitch. Like, that that speech would have won me over on the
Alfredo:side of my
Kopf:daughter line. Yeah. And then Mark's like, I can't set up an email. It's like, I'm just a himbo. Point me a direction and let me punch something.
Kopf:It's like, goddamn. But that's why the dynamic's gonna work. It's like the dynamic is gonna work because he's like, just just show me what just tell me what to do and I'll do it. And Eve's the one actually doing the real work in the background.
Jagger:She's I love She's the real what
Alfredo:I love about. Yes.
Kopf:What I love about this show is they don't mind taking the time to show them actually working together. Like, I thought it was incredible when they were doing the fight scene and she gave herself the power armor and then made herself like a mace, essentially. Like, that shows some real creativity as a team. And so they're already
Alfredo:doing a lot of moves. If I understand correctly. Right? That's not in the comics.
Kopf:She does like a she does like an armor set at one point, but the mace thing was new. That was a new move, which was cool.
Jagger:And that fight wasn't really in here as well. Right. Like
Kopf:Right. Which what a great fight. That the song they had planned with it, that was incredibly incredibly well choreographed scene, the way they drew that.
Jagger:Neil and the Sniffers. For anyone who wants, it's a good one.
Alfredo:Is that a band?
Jagger:Security. Yeah. Mhmm.
Alfredo:Oh, wow. I was joking. I wasn't even sure. Yeah. That sounds like a band name.
Jagger:Yeah. So how do I say?
Alfredo:Well, guys, now that we're just dropping band names here, I think that's gonna do it for us. We got a PowerPlex coming up in the next episode, it looks like, from from the promos, from the the thumbnail stills on Amazon Prime. So far, show's been very good. Show's been very good. Do you think season three has been the best of all the seasons so far with Invincible, or does season one still kinda hold as as Top Dog?
Kopf:It's my favorite so far.
Jagger:I like the tension sometimes. Like, I wanna bring back the tension that season one had. Because a lot of time what what what made season one so great is and so beyond the comics is that we already know we already knew what had happened and who Omni Man was. And the whole time we're just watching this unfold when there wasn't even action, you just almost shit your pants because you're just, like, wondering what Nolan's gonna do.
Kopf:Wait.
Jagger:I want that back. Yeah. I want that back. And then it'll be as, like, that's how we top season one. But it's still, like, this is me nitpicking, you know.
Kopf:Yeah. Yeah. What what I've liked about this season so far is they there's no like Vaynerch would say, there's no wasted writing. Like, they introduce something, and it may take a couple episodes for it to come to fruition, but there is a payoff. And I think they've done a very good job this season of giving us little things in in the beginning of some episodes that then pay off later on.
Kopf:So I'm very excited to see how they finish this season. And for me, it's been my favorite. I think the best step the best season so far. Alright.
Alfredo:Strong words. Strong words. I think it's gonna be a wrap for us. Like Like I mentioned, we're gonna be back again on Sunday with our theories and discussion on Severance season two episode six. Then on Monday, we're starting up the White Lotus season three episodes one and two, and then we'll be back next Thursday, February 27 for episode six of Invincible season three.
Alfredo:As always, I wanna thank you guys for watching and listening all the way through, for myself, for Jagger, for Koff. We'll see you next time. Adios.
