We're discussing our theories on the White Lotus season three episode two. And we're gonna be answering some of the biggest questions like, did Belinda really recognize Greg's who's now going by Gary? Two names there. Not sure what's going on with the seemingly new forced friendship with Rick and Chelsea and how that's going to play out. Why is Rick looking for the hotel owner so desperately?
Alfredo:I can't look away from the slow motion car crash that is the Ratliff family and an awesome surprise voice cameo that you may have missed if you weren't paying attention. Plus, we're gonna give you our picks for who we think dies at the end of the series. All that and more today on a brand new episode of Unbinge starting now.
Kopf:This is your one and only spoiler warning for White Lotus season three episode two and one and probably seasons two and one.
Alfredo:I think the thing that stood out to me most in this episode was I've been sitting there waiting and wondering when is Belinda going to recognize Greg. And she does. It kinda seems like she's going through the catalog of memories there. It's like, do I recognize you? How do I know you?
Alfredo:He's also now going by Gary. What do we think is going to happen with that, Jag? Because this I mean, I think we've seen in the promos that eventually she does recognize who he is, and she's out there like, we gotta call the cops and, or maybe they're just alluding to that and making us think that. I I don't know what's going on there.
Jagger:I'm not gonna lie. This nigga is so plain that, like, I didn't even notice he was going by a man. Yeah. Like, I didn't even know. Like, you could call them, Garrett.
Jagger:I would not have noticed the difference. But a %, this dude, he's obviously jumpy right now. You moved to Thailand. You're sussed out. I wonder what's going on with the murder back then.
Jagger:I worry for Belinda here because, you you know, she's another repeat, and I hope they're not sending her off to the pasture just because all Gary Greg is is sussed out.
Alfredo:That's that's what it feels like. It feels very much like a Tanya repeat. Like, okay. It's time to to send you on your way. By the way, you talk about him being plain.
Alfredo:Do you know who he is? Do you know what major motion picture role he played?
Jagger:I know uncle Rico.
Alfredo:Okay. Okay. There we go.
Jagger:He can throw football over the mountains.
Alfredo:The mountains of Thailand.
Kopf:I like how, he is very much in the the Shang Chi name or or school of name changes where it's like, yeah. Instead of Shang, it's Sean. And this, instead of Greg, it's Gary. It's like, maybe do, like, something a little bit farther from your real name because otherwise If
Alfredo:you're actually trying to go unnoticed.
Kopf:Yeah. Like, what do we do? I I
Jagger:will say, though, it's it's even better that he just picked another playing name because, like, if you're going, like, Greg, Greg, Greg, you're gonna your eyes are gonna go past Gary, which, like, what, like, what was the insult for Veep? It's like, oh, was, that he might had some obviously inconspicuous name, and he's like, what? Well, he's like, well, was, notice me taken? You know? It's like you you you can't go, like, what was, like, Vincent Price just like makeup shit, you know, making up superhero names.
Alfredo:Well and he already went to, like, the perfect place in Thailand where they they labeled all of the old bald white men as LBH and the losers back home. Yeah. And so he just he just went to a perfect spot to go over tire. Everything's low cost, and no one's gonna know who you are out there.
Kopf:Why would you hang out at the same hotel chain that you picked up your ex wife at and had murdered? Like, that seems like an oversight.
Jagger:Because he inherited points, dog. Yeah. He's gotta use him for.
Alfredo:He's the plotus points.
Jagger:He's gotta use it. Free dinner for the rest of his life. No. He's fantastic. He's still the chief spot.
Alfredo:Got spot credits, dude.
Jagger:Oh, shit.
Kopf:Okay. Fair enough.
Alfredo:I I I do genuinely think it's it's a mix of two things. I think it's a little bit of hubris. Like, who's gonna know who you are out there? Like, what what does it matter? And the other thing is I do genuinely believe there are people that no matter the circumstance, they say I'm comfortable with this.
Alfredo:Like, my mom will only go to the same bank and go to the same coffee place for the rest of her life because she loves that. And I think Greg Gary, whatever his name is, is probably just gonna keep bouncing around to various White Lotus hotels until he eventually dies in one of these seasons. Maybe it's this it's this one. I don't know. But he's retired there in Thailand, and it seems like there is it seems very intentional what's going on with him.
Alfredo:His girlfriend, who I forgot the name, but don't call her French. She is from Quebec.
Jagger:Oh, yeah.
Alfredo:And French Canadian. Same thing. French Canadian. It's that's a very real thing. People who are French Canadian do not wanna be called French.
Alfredo:They will bother with other names. They're really not.
Kopf:It's not.
Alfredo:No. It's not. I know.
Jagger:They're not even close. They just sound the same. They're not even close.
Kopf:In in the was really funny when he just brushed her off. She's like, yeah. Whatever. It's the same shit. And she's like, no.
Kopf:It's not.
Jagger:That's very It's such a white man LBH thing to say, though. Like like, for real. Like, once you get over the age, you're like, oh, you know what I mean. You know, like, the difference between Thailand and Japan is, like, vast. But Yes.
Alfredo:To to
Jagger:him, there's no difference.
Alfredo:%. Jag, you nailed that. You you nailed that. It's a it's the old white man calling it Indians versus Native Americans. It's like, nah.
Alfredo:Nah, dog. So do you guys think that there is a reason for this sort of forced friendship? I think that initially, it just did feel like the two girlfriends were, like, being friends. I wonder if there's more because of the way that when we first get introduced to Greg slash Gary, he's just kinda sitting on the table back behind his girl watching her very creepily as they do the sort of zoom in reveal that he is there. And she's saying the whole thing if he's mad at me, we're in a fight, but you're, like, 10 feet away sitting at the bar.
Alfredo:It almost feels like he maybe sent her over there. Maybe I'm just pulling out a string that leads to nothing.
Jagger:Mhmm. I do think that I think it's incidental.
Kopf:Groups. I'm sorry.
Jagger:Yeah. I was just I think it's incidental, man.
Kopf:I I I actually read it.
Jagger:Just the girlfriends that, like Okay. This whole show is about, but a boiler pot, and the two girlfriends are just like, I don't wanna be around miserable old fucks. I know that I I'm not I would say, Rick in the sense, but in a lot of ways, I related to Rick, especially when he got deep into therapy.
Alfredo:Love him.
Jagger:And I'm kind of a grumpy fuck, dude. Like, a %. And, like You're aware. My Yeah. My fiance watching that, she would, like, look over because she's like, this is you on vacation where, you know, where you're, like, not even responded stuff.
Jagger:Like, I'm just smoking a joint in the corner. That's, like, a % me. So, like, I get where the fiance just, like, go have fun with another grumpy fuck, and I'm gonna have fun with my girlfriend. We can pretend that everyone's grumpy.
Alfredo:But, like, she's like, what? You guys are both old? You're grumpy? Baldy. You're both bald?
Alfredo:And and she's like, you're balding. And it's like, man, Walton Goggins, I know he felt that in his soul. Because, like, fuck you. I'm not balding. That hair is holding on for dear life, man.
Jagger:Yeah. Especially in the back. You see it, like, working around.
Alfredo:Let's see. Homie's fifty two, fifty three years old, and he's been doing Ripped. Looks good. He's looks good. He's been he's been managing that hairline for a minute, and dude just looks great.
Alfredo:So props to you, Walton Goggins.
Jagger:It's a lot of work. A lot of calories getting that hairline to to the bottom just right.
Kopf:See, actually so I know before we were starting recording, you guys were talking about what, Rick's character being possibly a hitman. See, I I read it a different way. I think he's more of, like, a a con artist, a scam guy, and I think Gary Gregg is the same way. So I I felt like those two groups interacting was just two the con artist kinda testing each other out, if you will. And maybe they go in on the gig together or maybe they were targeting each other.
Kopf:That's how I read it initially, but I could be way off.
Jagger:Coffee, sweet child of summer. That's not how common men work. They don't have, like, a Reddit message board where they just, like,
Alfredo:like, oh, I see. You're you're getting the
Kopf:last name. I'm saying I'm saying no. You're here for me too? Clearly. No.
Kopf:No. No. Clearly, Greg is using his model girlfriend that he met in Dubai in a matchmaking
Alfredo:Who's also a hooker. Yeah.
Kopf:Yes. He's using her as, like, the lure. Right? Like, go to these couples and interact with them, get them to come over, and then we can fuck them over. That's how
Jagger:I read. Oh, okay. That I could see that. I just think that Greg inherited Tanya's money because she died. Technically, she died.
Jagger:And he's just like, alright. I'm gonna take it, dip out, go, and I'm gonna buy a house at Thailand because, like, that's one detail that we're forgetting is that he actually isn't staying at the White Lotus. He's just he's he's living up there, and he's just going there for meals and shit. So it's just like, he is like your mom or or me sometimes. I just say, I just want this one sandwich, you know, or whatever at this place that I like it.
Alfredo:If anything, like, I wonder if he just continues to go there looking for marks. Like, what's the next That's
Kopf:what I'm saying.
Alfredo:Thing that he could be doing? Yeah. Yeah. But, like Yeah. I don't I don't know.
Kopf:I'm just I don't know that's how I read that scene.
Alfredo:Yeah. But but what I would say is I if I'm looking at who's a potential mark at that hotel, I don't look at Rick and be like, that's the guy I'm going after. I straight up tell my girlfriend, fuck off. We're not having dinner with these people. I'm going after the Ratliffs.
Alfredo:I'm going after the the the three friends that are there, together. They definitely have money.
Jagger:Those those would be mine for sure. Like, white figures, that's my demo.
Alfredo:So that's Well, maybe you also have to be you also probably have to be careful because one of them is a is an actress. So that's a high profile
Kopf:She's famous.
Alfredo:Hit if you're doing that. So
Kopf:So start talking about the rat lifts. Yeah. Talk about possibly targeting the rat lifts. The girlfriend did mention when Chelsea, like, brushed off Saxon on the beach when he's walking by, the girlfriend's like, oh, he's cute. So maybe it's potentially they are targeting the rattles.
Kopf:They're just not going directly to them because that's a very obvious play. So maybe there's a way that they can get through it with her sleeping with Saxon, something like that, and then that's how they get their in with the Ravos. I think they should
Jagger:just hate, man.
Alfredo:Yeah. I think people are just horny. Like, I Yeah. White Lotus does such a good job of, like, making us think that everything is a thing, and it's not. Right.
Alfredo:And it's I like, for example, severance, everything is a thing. Yeah. In White Lotus, they make us think that everything is a thing, and you're like, nah, dawg. That was just a bar of soap. Like, it's that that's not like a symbolism for anything.
Alfredo:Like, we're yeah. We're good. We're good. But I do wanna ask this question, with Rick. We obviously see from episode one, he is desperate to meet the hotel owner, Jim Hollinger, who is the American husband of, Strathala.
Alfredo:So what do we think that is? Because I have a theory. And
Jagger:Glen plays him as well, FYI.
Alfredo:Okay. Okay. Who who's gonna He's playing
Jagger:stick in daredevil. That's who you would
Alfredo:Oh, yes. Okay. Nice. That's a really good oh, so that meant that I think adds some fuel to my theory here.
Jagger:Yeah.
Alfredo:I think that's his pops. Yeah. I think that is his dad. I don't think the dad was ever murdered. I think the dad abandoned them, and Rick was able to track him down to this hotel as the owner.
Alfredo:And that's why I think he's so pissed because I mean, if if you're a hitman, like, you're probably not showing all that emotion and getting all that angry and, like, doing the whole, like, song. I I think you're just going. You know where your mark is. I I wonder. I think he's actually just genuinely looking for his father and probably to motherfucking up and down, but I I think that's who he's looking for.
Kopf:I agree with you a %. Yeah.
Jagger:That's what to say. That's what I like yours better than mine and cost, Alfredo. So I'll move that up there. I'm still number two coffee.
Alfredo:Let's hear yours.
Jagger:Yours the least.
Kopf:That's fine.
Jagger:Mine?
Kopf:That's fine.
Jagger:Oh, much straightforward. I just think he's there to kill Jim Hollinger. Like, like, I just I think he's there, and that's his only purpose. Like, when you say that you don't work much at all and you just up and travel and you can afford to stay at a White Lotus where where homeboy is like, well, it's just $10,000,000. You're hanging out with these people.
Jagger:Like, you you kill like, only death pays that much. And some
Alfredo:He might still be a hitman for money. He might still be a hitman who's just not on a job. He's doing a he's taking a personal personal moment here.
Jagger:Two things can be true. So, like, Alfredo's theory could fit in to all of ours. So, I'm actually into the, a hitman with daddy issues. I wanna write that movie. I wanna write that down.
Alfredo:I nope. I need to put that so perfect into the White Lotus writing. It's so
Kopf:Especially if you go back and rewatch the scene where he's doing his, his treatment with, the wise Indian lady, which fantastic. It
Alfredo:wasn't extreme. You had to call her that.
Jagger:I wish Vig was here. Wasn't exchangeable. Yeah.
Kopf:But when he's talking, he's like, yeah. My mother died of an overdose when I was 10. That sound that sounded true. That sounded very natural. Like, he he he just said it.
Kopf:It came out. Like, that sounds like the truth. But then when she presses him about, what about your father? He takes a beat, and then he's like, he was murdered before I was born. It's like, that sounds like a straight
Alfredo:up lie. Felt very Obi Wan Kenobi telling Luke Yes. That Darth Vader killed your father.
Jagger:Died a long, long time ago.
Alfredo:Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That's exactly how there was so much intonation in the way he said it where he just, like, the the the volume of of his voice went up. The beginning and ending of that word was so harsh.
Alfredo:Like, it was Yep. More like I murdered him and killed him off in my mind.
Jagger:Yeah. Right.
Kopf:And then the way he was creeping on on, Svetlana so he could find out where Jim was. And when he found out he's in Bangkok, he's like, yep. Gotta go there for a couple of nights. It's like By
Alfredo:the way, homies homies got those,
Kopf:daddy.
Alfredo:Yeah. Homies got those Matt Murdock ears because he was hearing a conversation from, like, three tables away with music playing and all kinds of shit. So that's you know, he's got some sort of training for something.
Kopf:Yeah.
Jagger:And especially special skills. He's got special skills.
Alfredo:Yeah. Yeah. There's a little Liam Neeson taken, prospect profile going on here with with Walton Goggins' character. We're gonna talk about
Jagger:this more.
Alfredo:So far, yes. Mine too. So far, yes. Mine too. We're gonna talk about this a little bit more, but I wanna remind everybody, you got a bunch of ways that you can enjoy this show, Unbinge.
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Jagger:So many to get through.
Alfredo:Yeah. There's there's a lot. There's a lot. And the Ratliff family is one that I can't look away from. And it feels like they're yeah.
Alfredo:They're they're it's just it's delicious, though. Like, it is stewed to the perfect amount of cringe, and I love it. I love it so much. They remind me of the same family from season one where it's like you kinda hate and love every single character in there. And, I really wanna know, like, how this is going to come about the whole, obviously, everything go going on back home with I can't remember the the father's name right now.
Alfredo:What's the the dad's name? I'm just gonna call him Lucius Malfoy for the moment. Yeah.
Jagger:I was supposed to say Yeah. Remember.
Alfredo:Oh, Timothy. Okay.
Jagger:Rat Lift. Timothy. Timothy.
Kopf:Yes. Thank you.
Alfredo:So Everything's not going
Jagger:plain name, and then you give your kids the douchey names like Lachlan and Saxon.
Alfredo:Anglo Saxon. Like, you could not have been more on the fucking nail, man.
Jagger:Yeah. Call your kid white make McBride. Whitey McWhitey.
Alfredo:Sorry. I wanna know, like, what's gonna end up being that payoff for that? Because I I do think that while everything for this family has been that we're going here for Piper's thesis, I wonder if there wasn't a little bit of fear of him getting caught, and maybe he does the whole spiritual. I've fallen in love with Thailand, guys. So have you.
Alfredo:We should stay here because he doesn't wanna go back home. Because you go back home, you're getting arrested. You're going to jail.
Kopf:Well, it also depends on what his financial situation is, how much liquid cash he has on him. Like, he may be kinda screwed even if he doesn't go back to America because if he's locked out of his accounts because the FBI is
Alfredo:People like that always have liquor.
Kopf:Involved. You know, or, like, offshore accounts. You're
Jagger:probably because let's say, like,
Alfredo:this time If he only if he only made 10,000,000 in the past year
Kopf:Yeah.
Alfredo:He's got some offshore You know he's got that under the mattress somewhere. Yeah. Yeah.
Kopf:I honestly I think he's gonna kill him. I think Timmy's gonna kill himself by the end of the season. I think he's gonna go
Alfredo:off the defensive. Multiple deaths?
Kopf:I think so. I think we're gonna have multiple bodies.
Jagger:Yeah. Spokey.
Alfredo:We heard a lot of gun we heard a lot of gunshots. Yeah.
Kopf:I was so so jumping off with Jagger's point about monkey scaring somebody into shooting, I think Timothy's gonna kill himself. Somebody's gonna find the body, get scared by a monkey. They have a gun, start shooting because they think he got shot by somebody else, and that's where that what's gonna kick off that multiple gunshots that we hear in the first scene. So I think it's gonna be very unconnected. Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. And they're already high stress. You gotta think. Because, like, again, like, White Lotus builds a boy like
Kopf:Especially after high
Jagger:just had a robbery. They just had a robbery go through. So everyone's gonna be high stress there, ready, a trigger happy. So, like like, cough, like, I % think it's gonna be that big. It's gonna be something small.
Jagger:Like, homie's gonna have a bad day. We we heard, fucking short round losing his shit on the phone. You know? So it sounds bad. I don't I don't know how much $10,000,000 gets you in trouble, but I know if, like, $40,000 goes missing from the IRS, you're like, fucked.
Jagger:So it was like
Alfredo:Yeah. You mentioned you mentioned the quick cameo, by the way, of who Tim is talking to on the phone. I'm probably gonna mispronounce it, but it's, Ki Hugh Hoekwon. Right? Ki Hugh Hoekwon?
Alfredo:Yeah. Sure. Who who you'll know for yeah. As short round, still uncomfortable saying that name, from Indiana Jones, Everything Everywhere All at Once.
Jagger:It's Tom Waymond. Yeah. It's Tom Waymond
Alfredo:from everywhere. There we go.
Jagger:He's grown up. He's an adult man now.
Alfredo:Yeah. Yeah.
Kopf:He's got a he was in Loki season two. Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. Or he's grown up.
Alfredo:Like just constantly calling Jaleel White Urkel. Like, it's just kinda it's kinda kinda fucked up.
Jagger:It gets old. It is a little bit.
Alfredo:What if someone only knew you for that one thing you did, like, twenty, thirty years ago?
Kopf:Hey. Hey. I only know her as medium.
Jagger:So stuff. Urkel, like, barely I I could say, like, a comeback was from fucking skeleton crew. Like, he had, like, six lines, if that.
Kopf:The space room.
Alfredo:So so that's what we think is gonna end up being the whole result of the Ratliff thing. It's just a crash out from the dad. Mhmm. I do think that we're probably gonna see some stuff from Saxon who's going to be hitting a lot of these women and probably creating tension. Like, I for He
Kopf:almost did it. He almost pulled the Justin Tucker at the massage table. So
Alfredo:Slash Deshaun Watson. Yeah. Yeah. Very topical of you staying correct.
Jagger:Mhmm. Yeah. He was basically, like, a shark just pulling the jars that they jaws in there. He's just, like, looking for prey. He's like, oh, too
Kopf:old. Game. Yeah.
Jagger:And he and and the fact that he knew that that homegirl came in with Rick, and, I mean, obviously, the women are married. He clearly just doesn't give a shit, and he's from privilege. So, like, if anything, I think Rick is on, maybe he causes something just from lurking and being a fucking weirdo. You know? Maybe Lockheed causes something from being a weirdo and sets off a gun.
Jagger:Because, like, we all agree that it's gonna be a gun accidentally set off that sets off guns. Right? It's not it's not gonna be someone going in splinter cells
Alfredo:Well, because because
Jagger:the first somebody.
Alfredo:If you go back to that original opening of the show, that first Pop. Gun, that first pop had such a long pause between it to the point where they're like, what was that? And then out of nowhere, a second one kinda slowly, and then you start to hear boom boom boom boom, and that's like Zion after the first or second one. It's like, that's gunfire. Yeah.
Alfredo:So I I think you're right on that.
Jagger:Can we talk about the uncomfortable thing? Does you get the feeling that Saxon, like, did some weird shit to his siblings? Just Yep.
Alfredo:I think he's either of I don't know that he's done weird shit, but I think that we might get to that point here. I think that maybe a lot of the weird fetishes he's I think he's a caricature of a lot of people in that age range that are probably addicted to porn, addicted to sex, into the whole stepsister familial thing category when they're looking at it. And, dude, there are people that are absolutely into that. And I know. Not saying it's me.
Alfredo:Playing Game of Thrones.
Jagger:Popular. I thought, like, furries was
Kopf:Blame Game of Thrones. Incest has popped off in porn because of that. Yeah. It's not like that day
Jagger:or maybe not.
Kopf:Nope. You don't. It's it's gross. It's very gross.
Alfredo:But it's it's it's one of those things where it's like think about it. Think about it. He comes from a rich white family who, even Jason Isaacs has said that the father feels like he is untouchable and finds out that he's very much, could be a a target for something, and he his quote was touchable. I just didn't wanna say that. But you gotta imagine the son who's even more vain and and more conceded, probably thinks he's really untouchable and just wants to push the envelope.
Alfredo:What can he get away with? He's he has no problem hitting on every single woman he sees. He literally calls it a numbers game. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for a sick fuck like that to think that the numbers are even in his own family.
Jagger:He reminds me of Will Ferrell and Chris Kattan and not at the Roxbury. He just walks around like, sup?
Alfredo:Sup? Sup? And just something Me, you, you, me, me, you.
Kopf:But you can he even gets gassed up by his mom. Like, his mom's drugged out as all fuck, but she is gassing him up. Like, when he makes the nuts joke, and she's like Oh. And, like, she is and then she gives her whole speech. Yeah.
Kopf:She gives her whole speech about you have to be hypervigilant. We're all for money. We're all gorgeous. Like, she is gassing up Saxon to the nth degree, and that's gonna lead to some really fucked up situations because he doesn't realize. Like, nah, man.
Kopf:Like, some things are off limits.
Alfredo:Dude, I was, I was slinking down into my chair when she's saying the whole thing about how, you are good people with good values, and you have to be hyper vigilant. And it's just like, you you really don't know your husband, like, at all. And all she's saying is that poor man is so stressed. He needs to calm his ass down.
Kopf:He works so hard. Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. And and and to be honest, like, the rat lives, I I I understand that family. I worked at a country club in Arkansas. I've worked at a kitchen everywhere. I've I've been the help long time, and they exactly like that.
Jagger:And I imagine that family, like, especially like Parker Posey, she'd be the one that's, like, barred out
Alfredo:Crushing it.
Jagger:With with, like, Kendall Jackson over there. And she'd hit on me repeatedly, and her husband's so stressed out on his phone either about a bet or business no matter not paying attention. And then their dickhead son's over there mad that this is happening. And all I wanna do is hit on their daughter with the book or something like that or something. And, like, this whole time like, I've met this family multiple times.
Jagger:So if anything does
Kopf:under 10%.
Jagger:Yeah. A hundred per like Yeah. It it'll be like, you did a good job, son. I took care of you.
Kopf:And it's
Jagger:like a $5
Kopf:dollar bill.
Jagger:And then a bible verse or some shit. Like Nope. Like, I feel bad for homegirl that's, like, tried to take care of them because she ain't gonna get shit. She ain't gonna get that 20%.
Kopf:I don't think it's gonna get fucked out of her tip. Yep. But probably because Tim's gonna die before the end of the week. So she's definitely gonna get
Alfredo:to do that
Jagger:with Tim. Split that way. The one can only go.
Kopf:I'm more what I'm worried about is Saxon interacting with Mook because Mook seems like a very innocent No
Jagger:nonsense. Yeah.
Kopf:No. But yeah. But, like, even she could be somebody that I could see Saxon try to, like, victimize because he's like, oh, she's the the prettiest one here, and I must have her.
Alfredo:That's interesting. I I I don't even know that he cares
Kopf:cares about who the prettiest one is.
Alfredo:I'd almost think that the one he'd go after is the celebrity because that's the that's the story you wanna tell to your boys back home. And I'm being rejected by her.
Kopf:I could see him absolutely doing it. Like, I feel bad about Luke. Yeah. That's what I'm saying is I'm worried about that.
Alfredo:I I think that she's gonna be a a pivotal character in whatever ends up happening with this gunfire. And I think it's gonna be with honestly, it's whoever is potentially trying to protect her or some sort of, like we've already seen. There's these, like, suspicious looking guys kinda dressed in all black. I'm sure they have something to do with the robbery that's going on there. I'm sure that Valentin has something to do with the robbery that's going on there the way he was distracting guy talk.
Alfredo:And, I
Jagger:just the the way they pointed out that he was Russian specifically
Alfredo:was, like, a little
Jagger:bit weird. Shady Russian. And and yeah. And I don't know that that could be a % just writers figuring out a way to throw out exposition, but
Alfredo:I just kinda wanna forbidden fruit for these white ladies that are American.
Jagger:Yeah.
Alfredo:I don't maybe that's how that's how I read it.
Jagger:Yeah.
Kopf:But, yeah, I definitely think he's the inside man because he was very obviously distracting Gaetan at the gate, keeping it open so the car come through. And even you could see Gaetan was like, oh, wait. And and then he talked about the fight on Friday and got him back into, like, hey. No focus on me, not the car. So it's very obvious that Valentine's in on this.
Alfredo:Bro, you got we gotta work on your your pronunciations there. You called my boy Gaeton and Valentine, and those are not their names.
Kopf:Yeah. What are their names?
Alfredo:Valentin and Valentin.
Jagger:Yeah. And good talk or just calm talk. That's what they call them.
Kopf:Is it gate is it is it a k or an n? I thought it was an n at the end.
Alfredo:Talk. It's a k.
Kopf:Is it talk? I'm bad.
Alfredo:Yeah. People are coming down this video as we speak right now.
Jagger:It's okay. Alright.
Kopf:I'll cut it. Let me go back.
Jagger:Forgive him. He knows not what he what he does, and he tries
Kopf:very much. White.
Alfredo:I'm very white. It's like impossible. Are tough.
Jagger:He's one of the good ones.
Alfredo:Yeah. They meet on Thursday. I just can't pronounce things.
Kopf:If it's not Paul, I'm I'm struggling.
Jagger:And not to get ahead of myself, that's why I think that Mook and, like, speaking of talk, I think Mook and Talk are my two top two. I think they're gonna die because they got this sweet little love story, and they're just trying to get by. They're the locals. And what has history taught us? Rich people who aren't
Kopf:Fuck over the locals.
Jagger:Around there, fuck shit up. And who gets hurt at the end of the day? It's always the local people or or Belinda on there. Like, basically, I think it's the help that's in trouble there. Not not not any of the people we actually want, you know.
Alfredo:But let's let's talk about that. Let's talk about who we think is is most likely to be the dead body that we find at the end of this show. Because I think they very much try to make it out that it's Belinda the way her son Zion is, like, please let it not be my mom. Please let it not be
Kopf:my mom.
Jagger:Red herring.
Alfredo:I think it's a red herring. The same way it was in season one where you see, I think it's the wife. The husband. You think it's the wife, and it's not. I think it is Alright.
Alfredo:Peter.
Jagger:Murray. Murray died in season one.
Kopf:He was the hotel manager in season one. The one the
Alfredo:one that got you. Armand. Armand was his name.
Kopf:Wasn't it Murray?
Jagger:Oh, no. It's your dog. Name is Armand. Murray. Sorry.
Jagger:Murray's Oh,
Kopf:that's what it is. Okay. Yeah. My That's
Alfredo:I'm sitting here. Who the phys Murray
Jagger:Bartlett is the actor. Okay.
Alfredo:Okay. Yeah.
Kopf:That's what okay. That's what I fucked up.
Alfredo:But I think they have a little bit of a formula here where they make it someone where the death is usually incidental. It is I I think it's a character you could see both sides. Like, you're rooting for them, but you're also kinda like, they're fucking up. They're making bad decisions left and right, and it ends up being something that is just like, damn. Like, you care just enough about that person.
Alfredo:I don't think it's ever the purely innocent person, like like, potentially the sun, like, Lockie or or anything like that. But I'm, very curious. Who do you guys think ends up being the dead body here? Jag, who do you think?
Jagger:I think the dead body we saw is Tocq, but I think Moot goes out too because another thing too, we've just seen how Tocq acts. Like, he's like he's like, I went in and saved a drowning man. So that was a year ago. He he knew someone had a gun and he was just ready to wrestle them even though that, like, it any training in America just says let him go at that point. You know, don't harm yourself in there.
Jagger:Like, he's very much, I think, a a a do gooder. Like, I'd to to get nerdy about it, I think he'd be worthy of the Captain America's in, serum. Like, he just seems like
Alfredo:a good dude. Thor's Thor's hammer. Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. But this ain't comic books. This is Bangkok, baby. Not not really, but, like, that's Thailand. Yeah.
Alfredo:So I
Kopf:think we're gonna have yeah. I think we're gonna have multiple bodies. I think, Timothy Radcliffe's one of them. And then from the staff, I think, yeah, I think Talk's gonna be the one to go because you're right. He is very much like, he wants to do the honorable thing.
Kopf:He wants to do the right thing, and that's gonna put him in harm's way. And then I think we might see, Greg, Gary, whatever he's going by. I think he's gonna get, by the end of the season.
Jagger:Jerry? Jerry.
Alfredo:That's a nice deep cut from Parks Direct. So, yeah, I think that the way this is gonna happen is I think the first gunfire that we might hear or the first first gunfire that we hear could come from Tim killing himself, whether he kills himself with a gun. Could Could you actually hear that in the promo where he says, I'd rather kill myself than go to prison.
Kopf:Than go to prison.
Alfredo:And and I genuinely believe that. I think he will, whether it's with a gun or not, because how do you get a hold of one? But whatever. There's a
Jagger:lot of pills. His wife has a fuck ton of pills.
Alfredo:Yeah. And, like, that's what I think it could be. I think it could be that he takes pills. He could fall over a balcony. He could show up somewhere in a river.
Alfredo:A monkey spooks someone, and they start firing off a gun. And I do think it could be multiple people. I think probably for series reasons, I think Greg slash Gary probably has to die because I don't know how long you can keep this story going on with him. If you do, like, it's just gonna become kind of the right thing.
Jagger:Up White Lotus because, like, I feel like we have the same theme, same character type. So how many seasons can we really do this? You know? So it'd be really cool if they wrap wrap it up with Gary dying. Weird theory, it like, I I think together, we're coming up with, like, one theory.
Jagger:I like your pill idea that he'd, like because one thing he again, I I I think about writing and, like, screenwriting.
Alfredo:When he says I don't like drugs,
Jagger:they point out I don't like drugs. I don't take drugs. They're, like, to me, that's check off's gun. You have very low tolerance to something like that if you don't take a lot of pills. So could it be accidental or on purpose?
Kopf:What if his wife accidentally overdoses him because she's trying to, like, calm him down? That's what I'm saying. Something. Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. Oh, shit. Because she's a tank. You know? Like, she Yeah.
Kopf:She's like, four of these will be fine. It'll sleep like a baby, then dead.
Alfredo:I think that's I think that could be it.
Kopf:Yeah. I
Alfredo:think that could be it. I think that's oh, damn. Because it's it's usually something that's, like, somewhat incidental. It doesn't it's not a straight up murder. She's like, either she could crush some pills and put it in his drink or in his food or something like that.
Kopf:Right.
Alfredo:Damn.
Kopf:Wife's gonna accidentally kill her husband. Woof.
Alfredo:Boys, I think that's
Jagger:That's my favorite. It's a
Alfredo:good one. I think we got it.
Jagger:Together. We made it.
Alfredo:Yeah. Look at that. It's about it's about the friends you make along the way Yeah. Before someone dies. Yeah.
Alfredo:Just like my lotus. Alright. I think that's gonna wrap it up for us. Like I mentioned, we are going to be back again on Thursday, February 27 as we discuss episode six of Invincible season three. On Sunday, March 2, we're gonna be talking about episode seven of Severance season two.
Alfredo:And then next Monday, we're gonna be back on March 3 discussing episode three of the White Lotus. So make sure that you're subscribed to the channel here on Binge. Make sure you like this video. Drop a comment down below with your thoughts. And if you wanna listen on the audio side, you could check us out on Apple or Spotify, and the links are down below in the description.
Alfredo:As always, wanna thank you guys for watching or listening all the way through for myself, for Jagger, for Koff. We'll see you next time. Adios.
