Today, we are breaking down Invincible season three episode six. We're going to explain that wild ending, give you our reviews of this episode, and it's all gonna happen here on an all new episode of Unbinged
Jagger:starting now. We are about to spoil everything in Invincible season three. If you don't wanna be spoiled, go back and watch it, then come back and see us.
Alfredo:We get started with this very Batman versus Superman reminiscent intro where Scott Duvall, aka PowerPlex, he loses his sister and niece during the invincible and Omni Man fight, which is a big recall back to season one. This character of Powerplex, voiced by Aaron Paul, was absolutely phenomenal. And by the way, spoilers for the review at the end, I love this episode. I love this episode. I loved everything about it.
Alfredo:I love the character, the acting from Aaron Paul, and PowerPlex. Cough, what were your thoughts on this intro with PowerPlex, his family, and the recalls back to season one?
Kopfhamer:Yeah. I thought this was incredibly well done. Unlike Batman versus Superman where it felt disjointed, this felt more and it's probably because it's a shorter sequence, but it just felt more linear and and the power that you feel of seeing, Scott get blown across the street and then watching as his sister's building falls and Invincible trying to save it. But to his perspective, it looks like Invincible is causing it. So it just it blew me away how they did this sequence.
Kopfhamer:And what really surprised me was the moment at the very end when you see Omni Man grab Invincible and then take him to the subway and you hear the subway accident from Scott's perspective, you know, you'll see it. And the judge that just brought me back to the end of season one when they had that fight, and it was it was very, very powerful. I mean, this whole episode was emotionally resonant and such a strong episode. As a comic reader, I know what comes next, but as a non comic reader, I can see you being like, how can they top this? And and trust me, they will.
Kopfhamer:But god There
Alfredo:there are some differences between the comics and this Right. Whole scene here too, the way they they demonstrated this for prime video. Right.
Jagger:Yeah. Because we didn't really get to see how the sister died and, like, the the they made it more powerful because one, like, you like, Koff, you nailed it. You took the words out of my mouth. All about perspective. We saw the trauma and experienced that trauma from Mark's perspective, and we still carry that, you know, as one of the most powerful episodes of TV ever.
Jagger:And then we see this dude who just sees these other two powerful dudes fighting. And for him, it's just the scariest moment of his life. And he just holding an arm and tossing it aside of his own sister. And, I mean, you could see how he could kinda snap like that. It it and kind of ignoring evidence because to me, like, the subway scene, I was just like, I guess if you really have what's the opposite of rose colored glasses, like, shit
Alfredo:Shit covered.
Jagger:Yeah. Yeah. Shit covered glasses. It's easy to see it like that, you know.
Alfredo:I mean, well, I guess when something like that happens, you're not sitting there going, oh, man. Poor Invincible. He was put put in front of that train.
Jagger:He didn't
Alfredo:mean to kill my sister. You're just pissed. You're just pissed. And it's not like Omni Man is there for him to take his anger out on. So what he really wants is for Invincible to, I mean, at least be brought up to a trial.
Alfredo:And I think that's the big thing here is it's not just the perspective of it, but it's everything afterwards where he says, okay. If like, the thought process there is if he were to do something that would incidentally kill thousands of people, I'm sure there'd be a trial for him. But because there is this superpowered guy and they're just like, we don't really have laws that apply to this situation, he kinda just gets off scot free, and they're like, well, we're gonna keep using you as a weapon the best we can. And so I get that frustration here. This character is just so powerful to watch from beginning to end.
Alfredo:I loved every minute of PowerPlex. And, honestly, the the scene that we're gonna talk about now where kid Omni Man is training and fighting elephant, cute scene. I get it. It's it's all part of progressing that story. It took me right out of it because I was like, man, power play.
Alfredo:This is it's just so good.
Jagger:Yeah.
Kopfhamer:But what I
Jagger:like It's a yeah. It really felt like I was like, I don't give a shit about you right now. I'm sorry.
Kopfhamer:But what I liked about that scene is you're right. It it kinda takes down the emotional toll because you go into this lighthearted scene. But the important part wasn't the fight against elephant. It was this it was aftermath, the talking after the fact. When they're talking about army men, they're talking about the consequences.
Kopfhamer:And it really drives home the point of the theme that Mark and and, you know, by extension, Oliver have to live a life where they have to answer their for their father's sins. And it's not fair to put that on Mark and Oliver, but because of who their father is, they're gonna have to carry that burden.
Jagger:Father.
Kopfhamer:Yep. Sins of the father is gonna follow them along, and it it we see it, you know, personified with PowerPlex. He's he says it right out. He's like, your father fled, but you didn't, so I know you're you have to pay.
Alfredo:Well, and and Oliver even asks it a bunch of times, like, do people really hate our father like this? And it's just yeah. Like, he's coming to that realization as well. And I I won't say that that scene with Elephant was totally unnecessary because it wasn't. You obviously need to break up the big dramatic scenes with other other stuff and, the contrast there where Mark and Eve are immediately telling Oliver, hey.
Alfredo:You have to avoid hurting innocent people. It shows that there has been obviously this growth that we know of, but we kinda need that reminder and that something like this, is they're attempting for it to not happen again with Oliver, which
Jagger:Right.
Alfredo:Still just seems very ominous. For a person like me who has not read the comics, it all just still seems very, very ominous of what's to come.
Kopfhamer:There was a point where they're talking about Omni Man and and Mark points out. He's like, it was two different people. And it just made me chuckle a little bit where it's like, Oliver, every man has two wolves inside of them. Don't you know that? So Yep.
Alfredo:One thing I noticed is that they're doing their best to make these scenes, especially the scene with Oliver. Like, a little bit more powerful by having Eve be a bigger part of Oliver's life. And it's almost kind of, like, in a way, Mark and Eve are raising Oliver as their son in, you know, de facto son kind of. Guys, back to the PowerPlex thing. Because after that scene, we go back to Scott Duvall PowerPlex getting sort of prepped with his costume, with his like, he's practicing his speech and, there there's all this going on, which, by the way, I thought the wife, and at first, I thought it was Krysten Ritter, Jessica Jones, also from Breaking Bad with Aaron Paul because the look, it looked a lot like her from the first angle.
Alfredo:And then, obviously, I see it's not. It's, it's Kate Mara who's who's doing the voice there. This was interesting. I thought that the suit was really cool. It it remind me a lot of sort of like the Black Panther suit where you get hit and it kind of reverberates that kinetic energy back or it holds on to it for him to use it, which I do understand that it's a little bit different from the comics.
Alfredo:And it's not even just that those discs go into the suit, but the discs actually go into his body. And so, Jack, what what are the differences there between the comics and what they did here in the show, and how did you like it?
Jagger:Yeah. Because, like, the the one I wanna talk to, and I'll kick the the specifics over to to Koff on PowerPlex, is the baby that I wanna talk about on here. And I know that's, like, such a small thing. But when you wanna talk about how powerful of a character PowerPlex is and how insane you think the whole family and him and his wife are, this baby just looks exhausted like it's been kept up. Not so much that the baby's been keeping up everyone else.
Jagger:And we see that the first scene when he comes home where he's just going off on a tirade. He's like, invincible, like, screaming and like the baby wakes up. So you gotta mean, like, this may be as a stressful fucking environment of, like, my dad is upset and doing crazy shit with electricity and writing fucking Reddit manifestos every night. You know? Like, to to me, it's sold just how crazy PowerPlex was a little bit more than even the comic did.
Jagger:And, Nikkoff, I wanted to ask you because, again, he didn't have bishop powers, like, in the comic, did he? Like, they did I thought he just stole equipment to get there.
Kopfhamer:Right. And it's been a minute since I've read it, but I don't remember him having the power without the suit. The right. So so they
Alfredo:did make this it up. He did not. Okay.
Jagger:He did not make
Kopfhamer:this change.
Alfredo:Starting off with a little bit of that power and then it getting amplified by the suit.
Kopfhamer:By the suit. Yeah.
Alfredo:Like, for I also read in the in the comics, he didn't work at the GDA. That's a that's a difference here as well.
Kopfhamer:He stole it from yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He stole
Jagger:it from a lab and stuff. So yeah.
Kopfhamer:But I did like that change of making him into basically a weak Sebastian Stan where he or Sebastian Shaw where he can absorb energy like Bishop,
Jagger:Sebastian Shaw.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah. But then amplifying it by turning it back to electricity. So I was I thought it was a pretty good twist, and I think it's setting up a future story for PowerPlex, later on, because we'll talk about it when we get to the end scene, but does he does he deserve some sort of redemption?
Jagger:Yeah. And it's just like, to me, it makes him a better problem because it's just like, oh, you're nothing without your suit. Okay. Right. You know, it's not it's not even that you're like Batman where you're, like, really intelligent and can fire anything.
Jagger:You're just, like, legitimately just the regular ass regular ass dude who's bad. You know? It reminds me of any white dude in Kentucky. Yeah.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Exactly. I like that change because it reminds
Alfredo:me of taking shots at Kentucky, man.
Jagger:Alright. All
Alfredo:of our subscribers in Kentucky. You guys are great.
Jagger:Five of
Alfredo:us are.
Kopfhamer:But I like that change because it reminds you of, like, in the avengers when caps, like, what are you without your suit? Ironman's like a billionaire philanthropist. And this guy's like, I'm just an angry dude in Chicago. Right.
Jagger:Yeah. Exactly. Oh, yeah. The playboy. He's not even that.
Jagger:He's married, and he's like Yep. He radicalized his own life.
Alfredo:He's kind of a fuck. Like, we're just being real.
Kopfhamer:He's the bird jiggy of this show. I was
Jagger:gonna say I really wanna I want that I want the opposite of the E Trade baby where, like, I wanna hear that baby talk about what's it like in that house.
Alfredo:Like a look who's talking and just have Bruce Willis voice the baby just narrating, like, what the fuck is going on here? So my dad's unhinged. You're probably wondering how I got in this situation. That's my dad. Alright.
Alfredo:Before we keep going, we're gonna talk more about PowerPlex and the rest of this episode, but I wanna remind everybody, you got a bunch of ways that you can enjoy this show, Unbinge. First, it's gonna be here on YouTube. So if you're watching this video right now, please take a second to like this video, subscribe to the channel, leave a comment down below what you thought about Invincible, your thoughts on this episode so far as we're recording it. And then if you have any questions, comments, theories that you wanna throw into the comments as well, drop that as well. Because you know what?
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Alfredo:Alright, guys. Back to our breakdown here. I loved the title card sequence for this episode where PowerPlex is just losing his shit out in the street, and he just I or I a d d. I was going back and forth between the TV and the computer as I was watching it, and I kept noticing the break in the audio. And and it was just so jarring that every time he would say Invincible's name would just and it was just, like, go right back to it every single time.
Alfredo:Then I was like, what the hell is going on? I was like, oh, oh, that's great. Oh my god. Go back. Go back.
Alfredo:And I would do, like, the ten seconds back on Amazon Prime. It was so fun. And then to bring in after that humor, to bring in Shapesmith who just continues to compound on top of that humor. It was such a fun scene, and I I I go back to the beginning of the episode. They did a great job of being, here's something dramatic and emotional.
Alfredo:Here's some humor. Here's some action. Back to dramatic and emotional. They balance this episode out really well, Koff.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Great pacing. And I love I continue to love how creative they get with introducing the title card. I had forgotten sequence until they started doing it. I was like, oh, shit.
Kopfhamer:That's right. We haven't gotten that. But you can see just or you can hear really the desperation air Aaron Paul's voice as he's doing PowerPlex's tirade. And it's just, god, that's so good. It's so good.
Kopfhamer:And then to have Shapesmith come in with his goofy ass and be like, I'm a defender of all small animals except for cats.
Alfredo:And it's just
Jagger:it's so good.
Alfredo:So great. And then his ego getting shattered as nobody knows who the hell he is. It's just been
Kopfhamer:just chef's kiss of a scene.
Jagger:Man, do you have thick shapes? Like, you know what fucked me up? What he said, he's like, you these look like clothes, but they're not. They're actually my skin. I'm like, you know, anytime I hug
Alfredo:you, you need to take it.
Jagger:Yeah. I'm just like, you you like, what part of you is I don't know. I don't wanna know what part of
Alfredo:you skin is it?
Jagger:Yeah. Is it like It's
Kopfhamer:all dick skin.
Jagger:How much of you is ass? Like, or butthole? Like like, do do Martians have buttholes or something? I don't wanna touch that section of skin. You know?
Jagger:I need you to specify and section it off to where it's or just put on real clothes, man. Just like when we're in a fight, okay. For sure.
Kopfhamer:Which I'm worried about this
Alfredo:rabbit hole because we could go thirty minutes about what part of his skin is no. No. I'm in actually all the way. I'm just worried that we're gonna lose people if we keep going thirty minutes about his test icles being stretched out as an overcoat.
Jagger:I wasn't gonna go there. That's why I started with the butthole. Everyone has one.
Alfredo:A a a natural diversion from testicles. Yes.
Kopfhamer:But I feel like that's a continuity error because in season two, we saw him visit Art and get a costume from Art. So did he just throw that away or not use anymore? Like, he didn't pay art, so I guess it didn't matter. But
Alfredo:Oh, why'd you do that?
Kopfhamer:I'm just saying.
Alfredo:Damn it.
Jagger:Oh, no. He didn't pay art because all he did was look at the design, and then he copied it and left. That's right. So it's okay.
Kopfhamer:It isn't a continuity.
Jagger:Because I remember that I just read it from the comic book too.
Alfredo:Jack's got that Thraxian memory right there.
Jagger:Exactly. Yeah. Because I remember he's like, you're not gonna pay me back. He was just like, nope. And then just didn't because he's just like, why would I pay you?
Jagger:You didn't do anything.
Kopfhamer:That's you're right. He did copy the costume. I thought he took the costume. Okay.
Jagger:So, anyway, I guess, like, that's the end point on here. It's just, like, don't hug Martians in this universe here. And,
Alfredo:But or any universe for that matter. I just
Jagger:it's It's just a
Alfredo:good general rule to have.
Jagger:Yeah. I yeah. I'd not be hugging skin there. How did you Regardless of go ahead.
Kopfhamer:Go off.
Jagger:I was
Kopfhamer:just saying, how did you guys feel about the, showing that scene where it's Shapesmith fighting, PowerPlex while Mark is attending William's birthday party at the bowling alley? And he literally says, like, hey. We don't I I can take a night off. Like, how did you guys feel about that?
Jagger:It was not in the comics, and I liked it because I think that Mark needs to learn that he has to set some boundaries. Mhmm. And, like, if if I would have saw that, I'm like, oh, this is just a a regular nigga with with electrical powers. I'm like, they're good. You know, send Rex afterwards.
Alfredo:It's the thing that we see with every single superhero. Like, I'm already watching Daredevil right now in preparation for the show that's gonna come out in in season one where he tells Foggy, he's like, if I take a night off, someone gets hurt. And that's been the case every time you watch any Spider Man, Batman, all these guys. You can't take a night off because someone dies. And it's it was actually refreshing to see Mark be like, no.
Alfredo:We're good. We've got an entire legion of superheroes here that can help out with this. They can deal with it. I can try to have some semblance of normalcy. And I I liked it.
Alfredo:I liked it. And and just to have him sort of deviate a little bit to, like, the normal problems that people have, like, I'm seeing my ex and meeting her new boyfriend. And, oh, shit. We we both like seance dog. That's cool.
Alfredo:And, like, trying to, you know, I guess, make things a little bit normal. So I actually really liked the scene. It was a good almost like a good cutaway gag in in in essence. Not really a gag, but you get what I'm saying.
Kopfhamer:And the reason I bring it up Oh, yeah. He's different from the comics. Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. The there's, like I don't know if you read about what happens in the comics, Alfredo in there, but, like, Kyle, like, hits Amber. And Amber calls, it's like, hey. He hit me, and then he goes and
Alfredo:makes Mark
Kopfhamer:almost killed the dude.
Jagger:Shit at him.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah. So
Alfredo:Yeah. I I I think that I I did read that, and I think they might deviate away from that. I wouldn't be surprised if they go a different direction, because I think there are already gonna be enough other powerful and emotional storylines. They probably just don't wanna overdo it.
Jagger:Mhmm. It didn't even seem necessary. Like, I don't know
Kopfhamer:if that comes down farther along.
Jagger:Yeah. Because, like, in the comments, I'm like, alright. Cool. You know, Mark and I I guess maybe in the comics, it's just just to show how Mark is kind of in his angry boy phase, you know, just punching walls, being an asshole maybe. Because it's, like, another thing that I I and and I kinda deviated getting caught on Shapesmith for this, I wanted to point out.
Jagger:And if you look at PowerPlex's perspective, Mark is what Darkwing is to Mark. Does that make sense? Like, he's like, if there's just a murderer and you guys are just using him. And it's interesting how Mark keeps getting fed lessons, but they're kinda falling on deaf ears at at the moment. You know?
Kopfhamer:Well, I also found it interesting that Mark was willing to meet with Donald near the end of the episode as but he's refuses to meet with Cecil. And it's like, okay. So you're still willing to use resources from the GDA. You just have a personal thing against Cecil, which fair enough, you put a bomb in your head. But it it just feels a little hypocritical, in the moment.
Jagger:Donald's a victim of Cecil, and he can't really ever leave the GDA because he's, like He's
Alfredo:been rebuilt
Jagger:thirty five minutes. All yeah. He's legitimately all
Alfredo:stuff. We've we've seen this growth now with Mark where there's starting to be some more gray area, and I think we can just call it maturity. I think he's just getting that emotional understanding of what's happening around him even when you get to the Chicago memorial scene. And he's he's feeling he's feeling so many different ways about these victims and how he feels responsible for all of it. And he even feels responsible for the eventual creation of PowerPlex and and this this guy's emotional instability.
Alfredo:And he even says, like, that is that not my fault for being a part of it? And he kinda I mean, he says the quiet part out loud. He's like, Cecil shield shielded me from all of this. And I think there's some major emotional growth from Mark. I think there's going to be a little more gray area with him.
Alfredo:And we said this towards the beginning of the season that I I I do think this is gonna eventually lead to everyone seeing that Cecil's been right the whole time. And, I mean, I don't know in what direction the comics go because as I've mentioned before, I haven't read it. You guys have. But I feel like we've got a reunion coming back, and it's gonna be, one, out of necessity, and two, just simply out of, like, Mark growing up and realizing that it's not all black and white the way he wants it to be.
Kopfhamer:Right. And what I liked about the memorial scene is Mark almost feels like he learned two lessons. The one you just talked about where he's getting some more emotional maturity about, did I cause this? Was I the root cause of this? And then two, learning to trust Adam Eve to really she's a hero, a powerful hero in her own right, and she can handle herself in a lot of situations.
Kopfhamer:And he doesn't have to jump in and be the hero for her. And I like that, you know, we they showed Debbie be like, hey. Trust her. She got this. And Mark actually listening and stepping back and be like, okay.
Kopfhamer:I'll let her do her thing. And we see This episode
Alfredo:was a lot about restraint
Kopfhamer:Yes.
Alfredo:For Mark. This was a lot about restraint in him not running out to save the day, not having to help Eve, teaching Oliver to not hurt people around. It was just it even just being cool with his ex and her new boyfriend. Like, it was just a lot of restraint, growth, and maturity from Mark. And I think it becomes a character that it's really easy to root for.
Alfredo:Not that he hasn't been, but there's sometimes where you're just like, ah, Mark's kinda being a fuck ass. He's getting a lot easier to root for with every single episode.
Kopfhamer:He's getting less himbo each episode because he's getting that emotional maturity.
Alfredo:You love that word.
Kopfhamer:I do
Alfredo:love himbo. You bring it up every episode.
Jagger:That's what they say. Himbo is not not not appropriate here. I would just say he's being less of a
Alfredo:and not Remember, he's 19. Right?
Jagger:Yeah. I was about to say He's growing up. His monster and Mountain Dew face where I've just, you know, like, punching shit, calling people the n word on Call of Duty or something like that. Like, that's just kinda what I feel like. Like, every boy had that phase, especially if you think about when this was written, the the actual comic book and and the era that that it was written in and how 19 year olds were at the time.
Jagger:You know? Like, I get it's his black suit Spider Man phase, and it's nice to see Mark kind of eventually and and, again, seeing that he is kind of a monster to people with seeing the memorial because that's something else that we didn't get in the comic book. He's like, wow. Like, a lot of people fucking died. You know?
Jagger:And I know 02/1941. Yeah. But, like, really feeling the weight of that, it it it it's, it was nice.
Alfredo:And more stuff that didn't happen in the comics is Eve being the one to essentially take down PowerPlex. He gets arrested, and, like, none of that happens in the comics, but it does happen here in the episode. Excuse me. And then this all leads us eventually to the big fight with Marc and PowerPlex at the end. That's, once again, really not a fight.
Alfredo:A lot of it is Marc trying to keep his restraint and starting off by talking to PowerPlex that he he can't even fathom what it's like to have the emotions that he has. And, honestly, stupid ass plan by PowerPlex, a fake kidnapping of his wife and child. Why would you even have them there? If your idea is to even fight this guy who caused so much death and destruction, why would you have them there? And, honestly, I think that the the whole lesson from this is just how vengeance blinded him.
Alfredo:And, I mean, we see that often. It's a common trope. But the way that vengeance blinded him that he actually became the thing that he hated all along, and now he's responsible for the death. But he doesn't even see that because the vengeance has blinded him so much that no matter what, it is Invincible's fault. And, I'm I'm really excited for where this is going to go because spoilers once again, PowerPlex does not die.
Alfredo:Invincible does not die. There's going to be more of this in the future, and they end up holding him in, a special cell that the I
Kopfhamer:think it's
Alfredo:the same
Kopfhamer:I think it's the same prison that Cecil went to, if I'm not mistaken.
Jagger:Yeah. It's the usual one that seems to
Alfredo:Like a superhero.
Jagger:Never work.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Prison.
Alfredo:Seems to never work. Awesome. Yeah. It's basically invincible Arkham asylum where it's like, you just get in there, and then it's like, alright. In a week, I'm out.
Jagger:Throw him an Arkham. That problem's done, and we won't have to worry about that anymore. I
Alfredo:mean anymore. Yeah.
Kopfhamer:Talk about talk about hubris, though, on Donald's part where he's like, I promise nothing like this will ever happen again. So you can't promise that for a week from now. So the fact that, like, yeah, we'll rehab him, and we'll make it better. It's like, I don't know, man. I don't know if this one is is safeable because he's so obsessed with getting revenge that he literally kills his own wife and child by accident with his own powers.
Kopfhamer:So is there a redemption arc possible for a character like that? I wanna throw that back to you guys because, personally, I understand Cecil's point, but at a some people don't always deserve redemption. And I'm not sure if I believe PowerPlex does.
Jagger:Thank you. Because, when I first was reading PowerPlex and then you know, because you have a little bit a little bit more time reading him than you would just watching an episode. He I I was just like, oh, cool. He's Max Dillon. And, like, your your sweater reminded me of, of, Electro.
Jagger:I he's he's probably one of my favorite Spider Man villains on there because he is just a every man try to get by, and and he's so relatable, and and he's had some tragedy. I felt the same way about PowerPlex. And then it's when he killed it. He went so far to get his wife and kid involved, and then you saw that just take him over the edge where I'm like, well, now he's gone. And I'm like, buddy, I don't I don't know how you could come back from that.
Jagger:And and it's just like, what is Cecil doing to their brains? Because, like, I I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm about to marry a therapist. It it's the therapy can only work so much. Like, what is he doing to these people in there to fix that, that you killed your wife and kid by fighting someone that you thought you were getting vengeance for your sister and niece?
Jagger:It's Mhmm. Seems like it's unfixable in my opinion.
Alfredo:I would say that, normally, something like this, I would think there is some sort of a redemption arc almost because him having killed his own wife and child is on is basically, essentially, like a penance of sorts for his own hubris and his own sins. But there was something about the way this ended where even for an animated show that doesn't have
Jagger:the best animation all the time,
Alfredo:PowerPlex had the crazy eyes. He had the crazy eyes where he was just staring at Mark and smiled as he was just saying Vowing to get him. Stuff where it felt like he crossed the line from a Max Dillon, sympathetic villain over to, like, a a crazed Lex Luthor joker type that is just going to stop at nothing.
Jagger:Nothing.
Alfredo:And there's nothing else that matters aside from killing this one hero. So, normally, I would have said yes. There's a redemption arc potential there. I don't think there is. Not even.
Jagger:But on the flip side, if you look at the the crazy insane people that Cease killed, Cecil killed in the, forced this to whatever. Yeah. So then, like, how did you re rehabilitate them? Just I I guess for them, did you prove that God isn't real, whatever the fuck they worship, or something like maybe you could come back from that. But because I was actually my first thought is when I read it and and, of course, I know what happens later was just like, oh, well, I wonder how they're gonna fix this fucker.
Jagger:Like, are are you just gonna erase that he ever had a family in his brain? Because that's the only thing that I can think of. He's like, you gotta in, you got eternal sunshine, this motherfucker. You know? It's just like, I don't know.
Alfredo:I'm gonna be intrigued to see how they bring him back because I'm I'm sure there's a storyline already in the comics, but as we've seen, this show is willing to deviate from it
Kopfhamer:Right.
Alfredo:Quite a bit. Koff, last thing that you were gonna say on PowerPlex, and then I wanna move on to some of the other stuff we have. We have some other characters to talk about, and then that ending that we wanna explain as well. Mhmm.
Kopfhamer:Right. Yeah. And and again, going back to what Jagger said, it's like there was a line where power blocks could have been saved almost and redeemed, but he crossed that line in my opinion. And to me, someone like that, you have to throw away the key because if you even give him the chance, kinda what Batman said Batman pursue him, but even if there's a 1% chance, like, he is too dangerous to just let loose because at any moment, he could just snap again. And it's like, that's the kind of character where it's like, the moral dilemma is do we try to fix him, or do we let him rot in a hole for the rest of his life?
Kopfhamer:And I think that
Alfredo:I mean, we're seeing it. We're I mean, yeah. I mean, but we are we're seeing it where they are trying to take these these characters that seem like they are unredeemable and use them as weapons. Because if not, it's I hate to do it this way and objectify, but it's they're almost looking at it as a wasted asset. It's food in the pantry that we're not eating and just letting it go go to waste.
Alfredo:And I I think that's sort of how Cecil's looking at it. And that's what we're seeing sort of with Oliver as well. Like, they have their eye on him and and what he is to become.
Kopfhamer:And it's because they're so focused on the big viltrumite threat that they're they're almost overlooked. They're they're they're missing the forest for the trees in in my opinion.
Alfredo:Yeah. Last thing on here before we get to the ending is Rey and Rex. This is a really quick thing, but, you know, Rey telling Rex that she's quitting, she's leaving. Rex, we kinda get a peek into his backstory, which from what I understand is very, very tragic. It's, I'm gonna be interested in seeing how they expand on that a little bit.
Alfredo:What did you think of this part in here, Jagger, between Rey and Rex and, how their relationships kinda developed because this is very different. Rey, in the comics at this point, there is no Rey.
Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Alfredo:He is dead. And now they've made yeah. She is alive. And is this maybe a way for them just go right back to what they've been used to with no Rey being there? Or could this be something more?
Jagger:I know what they're doing.
Alfredo:Oh, and you can't say.
Jagger:Alright. I can't say. I know what they're doing. And
Alfredo:That, my friend, is called a teaser.
Jagger:Yeah. It's just, like, I know what they kept Ray around for, and it is very useful. And, that's it. I can't I can't
Alfredo:I can I can talk on this scene? I can talk on this scene
Kopfhamer:a little bit. Thank you. Because I really liked how this is showing, like, look, you have to have that work life balance as a hero like Mark is trying to do because otherwise, you will burn out. You will get to the point where, like, how can I continue to risk my life and my limb and every day in and out for other people's enjoy for other people's life, for them to live and and enjoy the things that I want for myself? So I think it was very, very smart to show us two characters who have had you know, Rex has had a horrible childhood, and Rey was had a weaponized childhood.
Kopfhamer:So to have that be the mirror that we see Mark in where he grew up with a fairly normal childhood with the exception that his dad was basically Superman. But he had a loving home. He had a, you know, normal childhood where he had friends. He went to school. He didn't train, until he got his powers.
Kopfhamer:So to see that difference, I think, was very, very important for the show because it shows that Mark is doing those things to grow and to learn for a reason because otherwise, here's what happens. And, you know, what happens if Mark becomes burnt out and all of a sudden you have a world ending threat that only he can save, but he doesn't have the heart to do it.
Alfredo:Alright, guys. Let's hop into this ending because this is wild. And we alluded to it, and we were like, spoiler within a spoiler within a spoiler. You get Angstrom Levy and the multiverse invincibles and this little army where he's basically saying, like, yeah. I think this will do.
Alfredo:And wow. This was a really cool scene As someone who is a non comic reader of Invincible, I'm sitting here saying, I mean, there's zero there's zero shot that Mark is able to beat these other guys unless there is some sort of emotional appeal that he can have for them because it's just it's this many versions of yourself. There's there's no way you can win. I understand one opponent versus another, but this was this is really interesting. It's very ominous.
Alfredo:It's got me absolutely hooked for what could be coming here at the end of the season. And shout outs to, mustache mark because that was my favorite version that was there.
Jagger:Yep. So I like, I thought I told you that, at the end of the last episode. I I love some Viltrumite mustache. Mustache. Yeah.
Jagger:My my biggest question in here, like, like, I we've been waiting for the Invincible War, is how are they gonna do it? Because very much the Invincible War is is a image comic event almost to where, like, this is a problem for everybody. You have savage dragon. You have spawn. You, like, you you you literally have everyone helping to fix this problem here.
Jagger:And granted, we have tons of heroes, but it's like, do we have enough to to help fix this?
Alfredo:And how do we gets answered this season. I think I think it's probably the teaser going yeah. I think it's the teaser going into the next season. Mhmm.
Kopfhamer:I don't think so. I think it'll be the next two episodes, but it's not with the You
Alfredo:think they're gonna take care of it all in the next two?
Kopfhamer:So in the in the comics, it's a single issue. It's a single issue that they fix it. Well, they fix it. But so I think it's gonna be the next two episodes.
Jagger:I think it's two.
Kopfhamer:Is it two? It might be two. It's either one or two.
Alfredo:Okay. So then what we're saying is that potentially this could be the penultimate episode of all the I
Kopfhamer:think it's gonna
Alfredo:be both. Bark variants.
Jagger:Mhmm. And
Alfredo:then and then a finale where you say there is something bigger coming.
Kopfhamer:So I think it's gonna be the penultimate in most of the finale, and then the very last ten five, ten minutes will be the next threat coming for season
Alfredo:two. And I think we could say I don't think I'm getting out of line here when I say it's Jonathan Banks. Right? Yeah. It's whatever other Bill Tron character that he's
Jagger:I was about to say. It was like like, we gotta get conquest coming and, like, I think that that's gonna be our ender. You know? Like, we're gonna because it's it's literally like bam bam bam bam in the comics where it's just like, oh, and and it it it reminds you of, like, sinister six problem or a a Batman problem, but on, like, a global scale where Mark's like, alright. I have an issue and then I'll fix it.
Jagger:Oh, fuck. I just fixed this problem. Now there's 10 me's. Alright. Now we're gonna fix it.
Jagger:He's like, okay. We're cool. Let's clean up. And then Conquest comes down. You're just like, Jesus fucking Christ.
Jagger:You know, like a gauntlet. So this this is gonna be good.
Kopfhamer:So the first six episodes or even seven episodes of this or I'm sorry, six of this season, Mark's gonna look back and be like, those were the good times.
Alfredo:Mhmm.
Kopfhamer:And we've seen how rough he's had this season. He's gotten his shit kicked in a couple times by a fucking mythical dragon and some, you know, underground creatures. He's gonna look at those with happy eyes and happy memories when all is is said and done. So, buckle up. Okay.
Alfredo:Then I think I think I'm good with this then being sort of a two episode arc with, you know, the other marks and then sort of leaving it on conquest either coming, arriving, whatever it is, and that leading into next season. Because I think we're gonna need that Yeah. In a big way. Alright, guys. Well, let's, let's give our scores for this episode.
Alfredo:I'm gonna start us off. It's a perfect 10 for me. This was the best episode of the season. I think outside of the Omni Man fight episode, it's probably one of my favorite episodes of the entire series so far. I thought PowerPlex was great.
Alfredo:I thought there was just a lot of just good movement and pacing throughout this story in this episode. The humor was right. The drama was right. The emotion, the fighting, all of it. And Aaron Paul could not have been cast better for this role.
Alfredo:I thought it was perfect. It's a perfect 10 for me. Jagger, what about you?
Jagger:Nine and a half. Okay. Just because this episode's tens are so good. And I've known and and and this is almost cheating, man, because I know what's coming, and I know how well they do stuff. And it's just oh, it we're only getting better.
Jagger:You know? It's only gonna get better.
Kopfhamer:Alright. Who's your MVP?
Jagger:My MVP? I mean, you gotta give it to Aaron Paul here. I mean, this Right.
Kopfhamer:Same. Yeah. There's no other answer in this episode. If I was if I had not read the comics, it would be a perfect 10, Alfredo. But because I have read the comics, I'm I'm I'm a jag.
Kopfhamer:It's a nine and a half just because I know Let's go
Alfredo:get fucked then. No.
Kopfhamer:No. No. Just because I know what's happening next, and I know it's gonna be a step up in terms of just impact and and storytelling. Not to not to try to take anything away from this episode because you're right. I think the pacing was incredibly well done.
Kopfhamer:They move forward the plot. They gave Mark some emotional growth. They gave Oliver something to do. They included Eve. They included Debbie.
Kopfhamer:Like, I love the inclusion of Paul in that relationship that, you know, he's like, oh, I hope we're not doing teleportation. I don't know if I could handle that. And then they're like, no. We'll take the car. And he's like, oh, wait.
Kopfhamer:And then seem freak out while they're flying. Fantastic. So I love all
Alfredo:these little ones. Like a fuck. I just wanna say that. He seems there there's something.
Kopfhamer:He's not sinister. He's just a normal dude who's way over his head at this point. Yeah.
Jagger:And and Paul and Paul has a bigger role at this point, and they made him a dillf. Because in the comics, you're just, like, kind of like yeah. You're like, come on, Debbie. Like, in the comics, Debbie does, like, a hard pivot where she's just like, I wanna date
Alfredo:safest. Yeah.
Jagger:Do you want the rest of the world? Tub of pudding. Right. And then now we've got, like like, brown dill Paul here who sells houses. He's like Phil Dunfee, but, like, a little bit more Riz.
Kopfhamer:But, you you know, what's crazy about that is how powerful we had such so many powerful scenes in this episode. And my favorite was just them at the dinner table when they're eating spaghetti and, you know, that just to me encompassed, like, the heart of this show is that, you know, Mark's family, he's doing this to protect them. So no matter what threat is coming, he always has that anchor. And and I felt like I don't know. That just hit me in a way that I was like, damn.
Kopfhamer:That's what makes Mark special is he has that tether to reality that keeps him from from falling way over the edge.
Alfredo:I'm gonna give ourselves a pat on the back today, Jagger. We did not bully cough too much today, and I'm really proud of it. I'm really proud of it.
Kopfhamer:I'm proud of you guys too.
Alfredo:Commenters, you guys can relax. Mhmm.
Jagger:You could
Alfredo:chill out.
Jagger:Well, it's like this show, and then I'm sure when we get tonight of of the seven kingdoms, this is cough time. You know, like, this cough time.
Alfredo:Yeah. Let them cook. Let them cook. Everyone clear out. Just let them ISO.
Alfredo:You take the ball. Jag and I, we're gonna head back on defense. You go for it.
Jagger:Exactly. Like like, the white lotus and stuff like that and severance, that's a free for all.
Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Jagger:You know? Yep. Yep.
Alfredo:Alright. Well, that's gonna be a wrap for us. As always, we wanna remind you guys, like this video, comment down below, subscribe to the channel. And if you're listening on Apple or Spotify, make sure you subscribe to the podcast there. Leave us a five star review.
Alfredo:It helps us so much. And coming up next Thursday, we're gonna be back again with episode seven of Invincible season three. This Saturday, March 1, we're gonna be talking about severance season two episode seven, and then Monday, March 3, the white lotus season three episode three. As always, I wanna thank you guys for watching or listening all the way through for myself, for Jagger, for Koff. We'll see you next time.
Alfredo:Adios.
