Today, we are discussing our theories for the White Lotus season three episode three. And, guys, Belinda, she's about to connect the dots. She's kind of already doing it with Greg and Gary. You see in the promo for the next episode, she's searching them and figuring everything out. We're getting everyone on a yacht together next episode.
Alfredo:Rick's headed to Bangkok, and poor guy talk, man. Feels like he's just gonna be at the center of all of this. And who's giving him a gun? Why are we doing that? Also, we're gonna talk about who we think is most likely to die.
Alfredo:All that and more on an all new episode of Unbinge starting now.
Kopfhamer:This is your one and only spoiler warning for White Lotus season three episode three.
Alfredo:This episode starts off with a really cool, like, tsunami dream that, the wife is having. It with Victoria is
Kopfhamer:is Gloria's name.
Alfredo:Yeah. Right? Victoria Ratliff, and it's just so, representative of the impending doom. And it kinda told me more so, like, that she knows that there is more going on. There is something headed their way, while they're in all of this luxury and relaxation that there is just this kinda calm before the storm, so to speak.
Jagger:Yeah. I mean, Alfredo, you you're married. Kopf, you'll get there someday. I'm, like, months away from from that happening. Like, we've all not told our significant other something and not to, like, lie, but, like, maybe to postpone it or procrastinate it or to get through a vacation or something.
Jagger:And most timely, no, man. And this seems huge. You got the FBI at your office. I'm surprised this dude wasn't shit, like, legitimately shitting his pants at the table right there. Like, he's like, you won't talk about anyone.
Jagger:I don't know if he makes it to the end. I think he might be, like, an extra death. You know?
Alfredo:He's gonna be like a halftime show. Like, it's a ten day
Jagger:he's just gonna kill
Alfredo:himself right through. Like, I I don't know if he makes it to the end. And by the way, the the you talk about marriage. The most unrealistic part of this episode so far was not Rick releasing snakes and all that. It was actually the end where Victoria's asking him, is something wrong?
Alfredo:And he just doesn't say a fucking word. There's zero shot you're going to sleep. There's zero shot you and the wife are going to sleep after she asks you a question, and you just blatantly ignore her.
Jagger:If you don't have a believable answer at that moment, congrats, buddy. You're not sleeping. You know? Like, it's just, like yeah.
Kopfhamer:Well I
Alfredo:mean, they were both they
Kopfhamer:were both depressed. The I was gonna say the amount of pills she pops, I could see her just fading away in five seconds anyway. So
Jagger:That's a good point. She's just like, oh, whatever.
Jagger:You know?
Alfredo:She's used
Kopfhamer:to it.
Jagger:He doesn't have his phone. You know? Which I
Kopfhamer:I know we're kinda jumping to the end, but when she almost convinces him to take one of her pills, he was reluctant at first, but by the end of it, we see and if you watch the the preview for next episode, seems like he is all on board with I don't do drugs, but secretly he's popping those bills. So do you think he is always been like that and he secretly has a bill habit, or is this just because he is so stressed out that he is just falling off the deep end? Because I think that will determine if he dies of an overdose like I predicted last week or not.
Jagger:The second most unrealistic thing is most men at that, success are on something. So, like, I guess they're they're they're the rare few where I guess not being on drugs is also a thing. Those freaky people that, like, you know, I drink 30 different juices every day and then rinse my butthole with coffee or something like that.
Alfredo:You know? He he seems like one of those. He seems like the the typical CEO speak. Like, I wake up at 4AM and I get in three workouts before my first breakfast, and then I have six coffees before I trade my Bitcoin. Like, he definitely feels like that.
Alfredo:And I I do think this is his first time really experiencing these pills. And
Kopfhamer:Though it's We I was gonna say we see Saxon be like, when Piper's like, oh, you're on ADHD medication. He's like, oh, that doesn't count. So could it be one of those scenarios where it's like, it helps me be productive so I don't count it as a drug because it's good? Because
Jagger:I I could see that as a
Kopfhamer:rationale too.
Alfredo:I think it's more of,
Jagger:like, dexamethrel, Adderall, or cocaine.
Alfredo:So Yeah.
Kopfhamer:You know, they've taken uppers because they need to go go go for twenty hours a day.
Jagger:Yeah. That's like
Alfredo:So
Jagger:Most of them are.
Alfredo:So Yeah.
Kopfhamer:Though you're right. The way he's been talking, maybe he has been a teetotaler this whole time, and now it's gonna catch up to him because he is just so stressed out by the fact that he's gonna go to prison, which I guess is a good reason to start doing drugs. Right?
Alfredo:In my experience feels like desperation. It feels like desperation for him. Like, that's where he's at. It's like, what can just make this go away? Yeah.
Alfredo:And it's like, it's I can't deal with this right now. I can't deal with it. And I almost want I still think, like, he's gonna get to that point where he's like, you know what, y'all? The same way he did with the phones where he's like, you know what? I'm in.
Alfredo:I'm buying in. Let's all put our phones in this bag. I think it's gonna say that he was you know what? Oh, I mean, he was able to manipulate Saxon. No problem.
Alfredo:Ugh.
Jagger:But, Saxon easy to manipulate.
Alfredo:He's sort of just a dunce.
Jagger:Yeah. Like, Saxon, if I think it's a plot device, Like, he's just like Yeah. Like, he's a slot machine for homegirl to fuck. He'll do whatever daddy wants.
Alfredo:Or she's the slot machine. Just
Jagger:Either way, they're they're they're both they're both pulling the lever. You know? Basically, the only the only person who has less power than Saxon is probably Lachlan. Yeah. And, like, I don't know what's going on there.
Jagger:A part of me doesn't care, and I just want him to get out. Like, I don't know, buddy. Like, he's
Alfredo:It feels a lot like the the sun from the first season where it's just, like, kept waking up on the beach, and then he's, like, doing his his past. I lost
Jagger:my electronics, and now I've discovered that outside exists.
Alfredo:Yeah. Honestly, what I think is gonna happen with the Ratliff family is I do think at some point that Tim is gonna do the whole, you know what, guys? We found a whole new lifestyle here. Let's just stay. And I think it's gonna be one of those where it's gonna be arguing back and forth, and he's gonna have that stress.
Alfredo:Boom. Pops and pills. One too many. And I think he's gonna be one of probably many bodies that we're gonna find at the end of this season.
Jagger:I thought we were gonna lose homegirl because, like, we're we're close. What they're doing this season is, like, I feel like they're just bait and death.
Alfredo:Like They made everything plausible. This feels like I'm just watching Final Destination.
Kopfhamer:This episode this episode, they added another way that they can have bodies drop with the snake thing because they were talking about how it's super common to have cobras in Thailand. They even come up through the toilets. And it's like, okay. Here's another way somebody's gonna get off.
Jagger:Yeah. And let's look look. Is it the monkeys? Is it the because, like, now, I feel like my monkey theory, I felt good about, like, that's off. You know?
Jagger:They're doing really good at the misdirection. And I'm wondering if they're using Goggin's girlfriend. What's her name?
Alfredo:Chelsea. Chelsea.
Jagger:Chelsea. If they're Chelsea from Manchester. If they're using her as, like, a red herring because I feel like, do you remember hot tub time machine with the dude getting his arm cut off?
Jagger:Like, it was just, like,
Jagger:close the whole time. That's what it feels like with her. Like, the robbery happened and, like, oh, she's gonna get clapped. And then, like, the the, like, that didn't happen, then she gets bit by a fucking snake.
Alfredo:You know?
Kopfhamer:Cobra. Just like Yeah.
Alfredo:Like Yeah.
Jagger:A cobra. Yeah. So, like, next episode, what's gonna happen? And then clearly, homies is either an assassin assassin yeah. Assassin was a vengeance.
Alfredo:Yeah. So I don't
Kopfhamer:know, man. Like, your hit man theory, it does make a little bit of sense, but I don't know if they're going that way. Because especially after his second session with Amrita, when she is when he's talking to those past, now now I'm wondering, maybe his dad really did get murdered. And is it possible that that, Jim Jim Cummins, the owner of the hotel, may have been involved somehow? Maybe he he thinks he's responsible.
Kopfhamer:Maybe he's not actually his father. I don't know. This this show, like you said, is so good.
Jagger:The voice of Reggie, the poo? Jim
Jagger:Yeah. It is Jim. I just
Kopfhamer:Jim, I don't think it's Jim c. Jim something. Kramer.
Jagger:I don't know. I didn't look it up.
Kopfhamer:Just the idea of
Alfredo:him being there, just Winnie the Pooh in it, just pantsless, oh, bother holding the smoking gun.
Jagger:Yeah. He's also
Jagger:Hondo and Naka. Did you know that? He's and Tigger. It's all the same voice.
Alfredo:Yeah. Everybody. Everybody.
Jagger:That's cool.
Jagger:Yeah. Basically, you've heard Jim Cummings today, statistically. Yes.
Jagger:Now you have.
Alfredo:Okay. So you were talking about Rick, and you mentioned that scene where he's there doing the whole, like, stress management thing and the the exact quotes where I've done a lot of bad things, made a lot of mistakes. I can't get my life back, but I can get some satisfaction. Right. To me, that still points down the road of hitman or I have killed people, whether I'm a hitman or not.
Jagger:Or like a sorcerer or something. Yeah. Yeah. Something. Like, he has a set of skills is what I keep saying.
Jagger:And, like, I've never seen someone react to weed like that, especially from what I know about Thailand. Yeah. I always like that's what it was.
Kopfhamer:That. He says that.
Alfredo:Okay. Okay. But with the specifically, when he takes his first hit, you hear sort of like a wind chime effect. Like, to me, that was almost to signify that this was a bit more than just a regular because it also, like, it affected him so fast. I'm sure that it calms.
Alfredo:Right? Like, if you ever smoke, you you you get calm pretty fast, but not like that where he was almost like, woah. Cool. Snake show. Let's go.
Alfredo:And just, like, he kinda, like, went off. Like, this was not regular weed, my guy.
Kopfhamer:I just I read that it's Hollywood.
Jagger:Two thousands.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. I just read that it was Hollywood just getting drugs wrong in a way. I don't know.
Alfredo:I don't see that in White Lotus then. Like, I I feel like they do everything pretty accurate, especially when it comes to drugs. They've had drugs in pretty much every season. Like, they're And Fair enough.
Jagger:Millennials, we kinda normalized what is healthy drug use. You know? Like like, I it's like, I don't look at someone who does does, like, MDMA or or, like, ecstasy or something at a festival. If you go to a festival every week, then, yeah, you're probably a depressed person chemically. But, like, you know, you know, but, like, that's the difference between that and like a crackhead.
Jagger:So in my opinion, he had to have been laced with something. If he smokes weed all the time, maybe he was anxious because he hadn't had that. Because people like, it's not addictive. Weed's addictive, guys. It's a little it's a little addictive.
Jagger:So maybe he had it.
Kopfhamer:Forming. Yeah.
Jagger:Exactly. So, like, I I don't know. But I would definitely to I would definitely say go to Is this Sedendly Snakes? Yeah.
Alfredo:So I would definitely say that, like, obviously, high stress situations and whatever he might be going through mentally or what he went through at the stress session has made him probably more stressed. And that always can lead to different actions, and it really felt like there was a specific line that he said. And I and I wrote it down here where he's talking about the snakes where he says even evil things shouldn't be treated like shit. It's only going to make them more evil. And so much that I think was just the imagery of him seeing himself as a snake.
Alfredo:It's like, even though I'm a bad guy, I shouldn't be trapped like this. Right? Like, I need to be free. And he was just they're freaking out. And I think it's it could be very telling that the snake is what gets to his girl with Khloe.
Alfredo:Right? There's so many names, man. Chelsea. Chelsea. Chelsea.
Kopfhamer:Chloe's the French Canadian chick.
Alfredo:Like, I think it's very telling that it could be he could end up being the death of her or very close to being the death of her because it's something he does inadvertently. That's how the deaths happen every single time. And I I don't know about you guys. I feel safest about Chelsea right now because she keeps beating death in every single episode. I'm like, nah.
Alfredo:That's not gonna be right.
Kopfhamer:She might be the last stander in the It could
Alfredo:be the other one.
Kopfhamer:A rule reversal where she's the only one left alive by the end. The final Could you imagine that? Yeah. Yeah. The final go through.
Alfredo:Oh my god.
Kopfhamer:That'd be a hell of
Alfredo:a way
Kopfhamer:to do that season.
Alfredo:You think this could be the final season too of of what
Jagger:it should be? It feels like it
Kopfhamer:should be.
Jagger:Like yeah. Because, like, there's only so many times I can watch, like, who's gonna be this season's dickhead, you know, talk some I
Alfredo:mean, we're all watching it still, man. Like, I'm I'm not gonna lie. I think they could go, like, seven or eight seasons that we'd all keep watching. I just think they'd probably have
Kopfhamer:to end
Alfredo:this, Greg. Should
Jagger:they? Yeah.
Alfredo:Well, I mean, should we?
Jagger:Like, what do you think Greg's gonna do there at this point? Because, like, I don't know, man. Like, the more I think about it, Greg, I don't I don't know if he's gonna cause a death or anything like that or maybe he just flees, maybe causes a scene. Because I think I don't wanna reveal who I think is gonna die the the most on here. I don't see how they're connected yet or how those dominoes are are are connected yet.
Jagger:I'm just wondering how if he's just gonna flee, like, leave just leave. Because, like, what what is this girl at this point with him? You know? Like, she's just the flavor of the week. Or, and, like, is is there a yacht like a service that they're pimping out to make some more money?
Jagger:Or or is that just like, what is kinda going on there, you know, with them?
Alfredo:I'm I'm curious about the yacht thing because if you are Greg, Gary, whatever, and you are trying to hide out, like,
Jagger:why would you keep that yacht around? Yes.
Alfredo:I mean, not even that. It's why do you have your girl inviting everybody?
Jagger:That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like, that's like, I I feel like I I don't know, man. Because he he seemed he seemed like papa Ratliff a little bit. A little like, when he sit at the table kinda freaking out and edgy and, like, oh, he found me out.
Jagger:I don't know if it was acted as brilliant brilliantly as Jason Isaacs. You know? But I don't know. I I'm just curious what that is, and maybe is that another red herring? Are we just gonna keep seeing uncle Rico every season as, like, this ominous, like, death bee?
Alfredo:I can't wait to find out that his actual name this whole time was just Rico. Like, he is the exact same character and is just crossing into new worlds. This end of the tournament universe. Universe. It's all just a ploy for him to get to his high school coach that never put him in the game.
Alfredo:It would be amazing.
Jagger:He's alpha Rico like,
Alfredo:like, every Regal friend.
Jagger:Yeah. Regal friend.
Kopfhamer:He's definitely I
Alfredo:will say that.
Kopfhamer:He's definitely gonna walk in on Khloe getting railed by Saxon on the boat, though. Like
Alfredo:I think he
Kopfhamer:He oh, he knows. She was I fucked the shit out
Alfredo:of him
Kopfhamer:at the table, and he's just like
Jagger:the end of Saxon. So Yeah.
Jagger:I don't
Alfredo:think he gives a fuck, to be honest. And I think this series for this season, excuse me, is doing the best job of kind of subverting our attention into every which direction. I don't think, like, we left episodes one and two saying, okay. It's definitely gotta be one of these three or four people. I think it's everywhere all of a sudden at this point.
Alfredo:I think anybody could be the body that dies. I think there could be a lot of bodies that are dead by the end of this. And, honestly, I feel like where we're getting to this very next episode after this one is sort of that lead up to the waterfall, like, where we're all just gonna fall downriver at that point. Like, GuyTalk's getting a gun. Everyone's gonna be on the same yacht together.
Alfredo:Like, it seems like all of the we're getting really close. All that rising action is really starting to pick up for the series this this season.
Jagger:Yeah. And what about the mills going on here? Like, I love their their whole thing is, like, who gets the nighttime fire chat where we just shit on the one who's not there?
Jagger:You know? Like, they all like anything.
Kopfhamer:So so if, if a homegirl turn into a Texas conservative and, like, voting for Trump's not the shattering moment, what do you think is gonna actually make them, like, break up as a friend group?
Jagger:Someone I think I think they're gonna anger fuck the Russian. Like, someone's gonna try to fuck the Russian and someone's gonna anger fuck them to say, like, I am better. And two of them are married. So
Alfredo:True.
Jagger:You know, this is
Alfredo:I think they're all going back to their airports, not being friends with each other. All three of them are done
Kopfhamer:with their relationship by the end of this.
Jagger:And I wonder
Kopfhamer:I just wanna know what it is that's gonna cause that. Because we're seeing little incidents that are causing cracks in that friendship already. But there's gotta be, I think, one moment that's gonna shatter it completely, and that's what makes all We're
Alfredo:gonna find out that somebody fucked someone's husband.
Kopfhamer:Oh, or high school's yeah. Yeah. Back in in high school or some shit. Like, especially They're
Jagger:gonna keep digging out each other's shit. It's a long week, and they're already, like Yeah. Me me me me.
Alfredo:I think it's just gonna keep, like, just chipping away at, like, small things. It's political stuff. It's looks. It's all that. It's all superficial, and I think it's gonna get deeper and deeper and deeper.
Alfredo:It's like, you were always the whatever back in high school, and they're just gonna keep going after it. That's why I fucked your husband, and it's gonna be like, alright. Well, we're done.
Kopfhamer:Oh, no. Yeah.
Jagger:So I know we're building a female audience here. Thank you, guys. We're just three d. Let us know. What is the realism of this?
Jagger:Because it's like it's like season two, I could see the competitive nature. Like, we all we all had friends like that. You know? I didn't keep those friends around as an adult that says something different for the other dude there. But, like, I kinda get how sometimes women says it's hard to have women friends if you guys are always doing that.
Jagger:Because, like, I I don't know. A lot of times, I've seen guys getting straight up fist fights drunk, and then next day, it just we move on.
Jagger:That's funny. Like, it never even happened. I think
Alfredo:what we're seeing though right now, honestly, is a great juxtaposition of, like, various either old friendships and then new friendships even with with Khloe and Chelsea where, like, it the those two seem like they get along so well and they just met, and you're seeing the juxtaposition of, like, new friends versus old friends. And even though the old friendship should be so tight, there's more and more to pick at there. Right? Like, there's more weeds that have grown in that garden, so to speak. Mhmm.
Jagger:It's like the duality of woman, not man at that point because, like, like, my fiance's one too where it's, like, she's my best friend now. And I'm like, well, you guys, like, knew each other, like, in an hour. You know? Yes. And then they really are.
Jagger:They stay friends that long.
Alfredo:That's me. I'm that guy. My wife does not fuck with anyone that we meet on vacation. She's like, okay. You go sit at your table now.
Alfredo:Go away.
Jagger:Yeah. I'm not I'm I'm definitely the, I don't know you. You know? Like Yeah.
Alfredo:Like, sir.
Jagger:I I've known people for two years, and I'm like, I guess I should save your number in my phone. You know?
Kopfhamer:I guess I'm tired of saying, who is this?
Jagger:Or scrolling up to get context. So, You know, it's
Jagger:like a messages.
Alfredo:So okay. So I I wanna keep talking about this because we mentioned Speaking
Jagger:of friends. Chloe.
Kopfhamer:Wait. Wait. Speaking of friends, is Mook friend zoning guy talk?
Jagger:Yes. Yeah. Yes, dude.
Alfredo:She's a mastermind, which by the way, if y'all didn't see her at the Oscars performing, she is a massive massive musical star. Lisa is is what she goes by. Dude, she's, yeah, she's basically Thailand's Beyonce cough. Go Google it. Damn.
Kopfhamer:Read it.
Alfredo:Culture yourself. But, Alfredo and that
Jagger:We finally got to use it. Yeah. I know. Watch out, buddy.
Alfredo:Why don't you know this information that I just learned yesterday, idiot? Yeah. She's totally she's she's a honeypot. Like, for sure, she's friend zoning him. She's going to manipulate him.
Alfredo:She seems to already be super close with these other security guards, like, the the private bodyguards. Like, there's there's maybe even more, like, I wouldn't be surprised if she's with Valentin. Like, I none of it would surprise me. But yeah. By GuideTalk is definitely getting set up.
Alfredo:And now he's got a gun. You're gonna put an emotion in him. Guy with a gun. Yeah.
Kopfhamer:I don't like that gun.
Alfredo:So he's
Jagger:a guy who's six supreme, by the way. Yeah. He's my number one mark. I think, like Yeah. He's he's my number one mark that you're gonna see him float somehow.
Jagger:He's just really reckless.
Kopfhamer:Shoot himself more than shoot anybody else. Like, he's more likely to shoot his own, like, by accident than actually shoot someone else. I I guarantee it. He's gonna discharge into his leg or some shit.
Jagger:He's the reason bless your heart and sweet summer child exists. Mhmm. Like, he is a good person. This dude deserves to live.
Alfredo:If he got the super soldier serum, he would be captain Thailand.
Jagger:Yeah. Exactly. With him. Exactly. But he's not.
Jagger:So he's basically fucking Kimmy Schmidt, you know, except he's gonna fucking die. Good pool.
Alfredo:Good pool. Good pool. So guy talk is basically just getting bullied by these other bodyguards up in the front where they're saying, oh, Fabian wanted to fire you. Sritala kept you. Gotta make sure I get the pronunciation correct.
Alfredo:And they end up calling him pussy. And it's like, how much of this can he take before he snaps? Like, I know he's a good guy, but when does he snap? Like, when he finds out that Mook has been, honeypotting him all along. Oh, you
Kopfhamer:talk about school shooter?
Alfredo:Do we get a school shooter? I I mean
Kopfhamer:We might. Spend I mean,
Alfredo:it would not surprise me.
Jagger:And it kind of might
Alfredo:be a a burnout. I think they're
Kopfhamer:Yeah. I
Alfredo:think they're setting up a conversion.
Kopfhamer:Right. Mhmm. Exactly. Because last week, I was convinced. I was like, Saxon's gonna do something to Mook, and that's gonna cause GuyTalk to go after him.
Kopfhamer:But I think it might be slightly twisted where maybe Mook is willing with Saxon, whereas last week I thought maybe he would force himself on her. And that could be what triggers GuyTalk to finally, like, rampage. And that could be, pretty dark turn by the end of the season.
Alfredo:And well, there's a fine line where that a character like Guy Talk is already towing right now where you're saying, oh, he's such a sweet guy. He just has a crush on Mook. Well, what happens when it's, like, him following her home? What happens when it's him saying, oh, I've been protecting you? Like, there's gonna be a very fine line where it goes from a cute, like, puppy dog eyes to, like, you're a creep.
Alfredo:And
Kopfhamer:When does he turn into the Charlie Kelly stalker type? Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. And it's not cute anymore funny. It's just, like, he he gets oh, man. Like, I think I I'm swayed because I went to, like, he's the mark. Like, he's gonna be stupid, but, like, I forgot how men actually work, and he's gonna get real mad real fast.
Jagger:Incel. Incel alert right there. Like, what happens
Alfredo:what happens if he's going to check on a noise or a complaint or something and he's got his hand on his gun and he kinda turns the corner? He just sees that it's Valentin and Mook or Mook and one of the bodyguards or or Mook and anybody. You
Kopfhamer:can say that.
Alfredo:Yeah. Gonna lose it. Homie's gonna lose it right then and there.
Jagger:Belinda's son's gonna be reading that manifesto on the way back to Maui. You know? It was
Alfredo:yeah. Let's talk about Belinda. Because Belinda good for her.
Kopfhamer:I I didn't believe that scene. I did not believe her actually confronting. Like, it's one thing to go up and be like, hey. Do we know each other? Did you happen to be the white Louis of Maui?
Kopfhamer:But for her to keep pressing the issue at the table, I was like, that's not realistic. That that shows very little self preservation instinct on her part, in my opinion. Because it's like, here's a seemingly rich and powerful white man surrounded by his friends, cronies, whatever, and you're gonna sit there and press the issue after he has now said two or three times, I don't know you. I don't know you're talking about.
Jagger:In a land of lonely white men where they got a name?
Kopfhamer:Yes. Yeah. Right. That sound that just to me, it it felt very stretched for believability in my opinion. But I get it.
Kopfhamer:It pushes
Jagger:a little bit for
Jagger:to to push us a little further and I'm not trying to hang this on a stereotype. It was very unblack of her.
Jagger:Because this
Jagger:whole time she's just I
Kopfhamer:didn't wanna say it but yes.
Jagger:Yeah. Yeah. It was, you know, like, fuck lizards, fuck monkeys. The whole time, I'm like, a %. Like like like, she's my people.
Jagger:I get it. Like, the whole time I'd be sussed out by the monkeys. I've seen, like, one too many documentaries, and I mean just one, and that's all it took. And, like, a lot of Planet
Jagger:of the Apes. You know?
Kopfhamer:I've seen enough. Yeah.
Jagger:And then she's gonna go and then she's gonna go over to Baldy and be like, I know it was you. Like like, being straight up
Kopfhamer:Especially, like, Scooby. Drop Tanya's name? She straight up dropped Tanya's name on him, and he's like, I don't know who that is. And she's like, are you sure? And it's like,
Jagger:what are you doing? Because he
Alfredo:That is that is something that people like, I promise you, like, my mom would do that where she would be like, yes. Your mom would. But but okay. Okay. Belinda
Kopfhamer:should know. Yeah. Belinda I don't think Belinda would. But she's Belinda's
Alfredo:been a well written
Kopfhamer:no. She's no. Belinda's just She's right enough. That's what I'm saying.
Jagger:Yeah. I'm I'm she's very sweet, like, and old. Where, like, Belinda, she's been a very well written character to this point. You know, like, very just, like and I'm not would be a stereotype, but black in all, I think the positive sense where, like, we've gotta be alert. We've gotta be smart all
Kopfhamer:the time. She's vigilant. Yeah. Exactly.
Jagger:Vigilant. Where, like, I don't think she would just she would be like, oh, you know, that crazy white lady went off with a white man and then got got like, the the my first thought would be like, man, that that thirsty white dude found a mark, and she was one. That's what that's literally what I would think there. Think this ended
Alfredo:up being a little more plot device than anything. Like, I actually didn't think of it as something of, like, ah, that's very uncharacteristic of Belinda because we also don't know how much she's changed since season one when she mentions, like, I was depressed because my friend at my at the White Lotus in Maui died, and then another lady who was gonna invest in in a in a a company for me, she's gone too.
Kopfhamer:She's flames.
Alfredo:True. So so it's like, you you we don't know how much her personality has changed, but I do get that. And I think what it's going to do is it's gonna cause questions now with Khloe, with Rick, with everyone that I don't think Rick actually gives a fuck.
Kopfhamer:Chelsea is
Alfredo:gonna have Chelsea
Kopfhamer:is gonna accept it.
Alfredo:Man, when Chelsea said, like, if I die, I'll still find you in the next life, It, it reminded me a lot of, like, Wedding Crashers with Vince Vaughn, Iowa Fisher.
Kopfhamer:Dude, she's a she's a stage five clinger. Yeah. She's a stage five clinger.
Alfredo:She's kinda cute, though. Like, it it doesn't creep me out in a way.
Kopfhamer:She is
Alfredo:a stage five clinger. I will. I mean, I'm not talk I'm not talking about her looks, cough. Jesus. I was just saying, like, the personality of the character doesn't worry me.
Kopfhamer:Mhmm. But could you could you imagine being being, like, I'm your soulmate, and then them responding, what the hell are you talking about? We're not even sign compatible. Like, he brushes her off and, like, demeans her at every turn, and she's just like, whatever. It's so weird.
Kopfhamer:It's a weird it's a weird
Alfredo:I mean, there's people like that. There's people there's people like that that just chip away at the tough exterior because they think they see the person in there. Oh, yeah. Koff, well, you're not playing a relationship therapist. We're watching a fucking show, man.
Alfredo:We're trying to figure out who dies. We're not telling they shouldn't be together.
Kopfhamer:They shouldn't be.
Jagger:Let's put it this way. He's out of line, but he's right. Yeah.
Jagger:Let's let Koff have that.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying, like, he needs a merrier, but, like, man, just be a little nicer. That's all. You almost killed her twice now.
Kopfhamer:Like, one inadvertently and two okay. Why are there no locksmith cages? Terrible.
Alfredo:Good feeling.
Kopfhamer:They don't have
Jagger:vox? They have snake shows. Mexico's got donkey shows. I'll tell you which one I'd rather see. Goodbye.
Alfredo:Oh. Neither. Fucking none of them. How about that answer?
Jagger:You're welcome. Option. Oh my god.
Alfredo:Okay. So, what what did you guys take from that moment? One, after Porn Chai, the most unfortunate fucking name in the show, drops off Valente.
Jagger:It is.
Alfredo:Her fill up.
Kopfhamer:And then He's down.
Alfredo:Oh, he's he's certainly down to clown. And he he throws out the, sorry, I don't drink, but I hope you have good dreams of me, and I have good dreams of you. And she's sure, like, is that an expression here? And he's and he's just like, oh, fuck. Abort.
Alfredo:Abort. And he's like, good night. After that, she's there kinda talking to herself. And what is it that you guys took from that scene where she starts to, like, notice noises outside? Is she just getting a little bit more, I I don't wanna say, like, scared.
Alfredo:Is she getting a little bit more yeah. That's the word I was searching for. Is she getting a little more paranoid maybe after after approaching Greg and thinking, you know, I fucked up.
Kopfhamer:Yes. Mhmm.
Jagger:Like, that that makes sense where it's like it was out of character. L o. And that's why she would go up and talk to him because she was drunk. I forget about that.
Alfredo:Like, that's a huge
Jagger:accident. Yeah. Like, she would go up there. Yeah. The drinking point on there.
Jagger:So apologies, guys. That does make sense.
Kopfhamer:If you
Jagger:already didn't go over there and and comment that
Alfredo:yeah.
Jagger:She went up there drunk, and then she's starting to sober up because she's thinking about the moment she just had with porn try and then thinking about everything that happened. And she's just like, man, if he killed Tanya, you know, I'm just a a black lady out in Thailand. You know? Thailand is, like, notoriously dangerous. That's why I have a lot of questions about Rick buying pot because I thought it was illegal because that's kind of like a sticking point for me.
Jagger:But we could put a pin in that. You know?
Alfredo:I am Yeah. I didn't I didn't reach the
Kopfhamer:marijuana laws in Thailand.
Alfredo:Definitely did not. Wikipedia that. It'll be right next to all the information I learned about Mook. So this is you mentioned the drinking thing, and that kinda takes me back. So I revelation here.
Alfredo:I have not watched season two, but I know what happened. I did see season one. And spoiler alert, the way season one goes is there was a lot of action that happened throughout that season, and then the eventual death stemmed from drug usage, alcohol, sort of that releasing effect while you're on vacation or when you just don't give a fuck anymore. And it seems like we have a lot of characters that just don't give a fuck anymore, and they're trying to release. And I'm curious because we see the thing with Belinda.
Alfredo:Who could be the other person that could have an alcohol or drug induced I don't give a fuck moment where it could accidentally turn into a death?
Jagger:Well, with the exception of Ratliff,
Alfredo:Saxon seems like one of those guys put down there. That would feels too similar to season one's murderer, I guess. Mhmm.
Jagger:Rick seems prone.
Kopfhamer:We could see He's
Jagger:getting bad weed. And and by the way see
Kopfhamer:one of the girls from the girl.
Jagger:In Thailand.
Kopfhamer:Oh, one of the girls. But only officially limited to point 0.2% THC content, which seems pretty
Alfredo:I'm so glad we got that taken care of, guys.
Jagger:Okay.
Alfredo:Like and subscribe.
Jagger:Okay. I know you're Thailand.
Jagger:Curious except you. Alfredo.
Alfredo:I really wasn't. I was just I was just getting lost in the world of the White Lotus. I'm just gonna accept what they give me as truth. I don't need to undo this. I don't need to pull up the thread.
Jagger:Anyway Yeah. But definitely the girls. I think that that actually, that's the easiest because they are literally Right. Just stressed out hanging with them. And one thing with this show does, it makes me just like, I'm going to the Dominican Republic for a wedding with a bunch of my friends, and I'm just, like, freaking out.
Jagger:I'm like, who's gonna be the mark that's gonna die? Because it's just so realistic of how awful it is traveling and being around other fucking people. So it's like to me, they're, like, the quintessential. Why do I still love these people? Is it because I've known them since I'm 15, and I'm gonna drink?
Jagger:Maybe I go hang out with this sketchy fucking Russian and do something crazy, take something weird.
Kopfhamer:This is where I'd like to interject that Afra and I have been on vacation together, like, multiple times throughout the years, and we're still friends.
Alfredo:Cough is a cough is a tough one to babysit. I'll say that. I've never seen someone get their drinking privileges revoked so fast on a carnival cruise line.
Jagger:What? What?
Jagger:I have a special time. It's called alcoholism.
Alfredo:Okay. Story time, real quick. Sorry. All of you that came here for White Lotus, but you're about thirty minutes in, you get story time. Cough, it was like day one.
Alfredo:Hour one, hot tub. We're getting drinks more and more drinks. Cough's ripping through him. He's at, like, drink number six. Definitely hasn't eaten yet, but in the hot tub, we've been there for, I wanna say, about two hours.
Alfredo:Cough gets up, starts walking around, stumbling around. We don't hear from him for a while. Then we eventually find yeah. Then we eventually find out that he was walking through the ship dripping wet in nothing but his bathing suit, and the security had to go take you back to your room. And is that the same trip cough where you then hit your head on the sprinkler
Jagger:where you were bleeding down
Alfredo:and I had to take you?
Kopfhamer:Different trip.
Alfredo:Christ, man. Get it together.
Kopfhamer:I didn't lose my didn't lose my privileges on that one. You just proven why it
Jagger:was correct, man. Like like, you get too many people together and you're like, well, we're in a different country. We can act and ask. No one's gonna remember, and I'm around people I'm safe with. It's like, no, dude.
Jagger:Like, biting
Kopfhamer:that shit. Alive? They're They made
Alfredo:a whole scene about it too. They came to the dinner table that night because they, like, they saw it on the cameras. They figured it out, and they did it in front of everyone. Like, sorry, mister Kaufheimer. Yeah.
Alfredo:We we must speak with you over here. Kauf came back so sad, so dejected. Like, someone stole his butt. Trip?
Kopfhamer:No. Just twenty four hours.
Jagger:Oh, why is that shit?
Kopfhamer:And I could've only not buy myself. I I couldn't buy myself alcohol. That's all it was. Yeah.
Jagger:I was about to say, like, it's fine. You're just like a 16 year old then. Anyway, next one, though, on crash that alert. I don't know. I just think Saxon is a catalyst.
Jagger:Like, I
Kopfhamer:don't think Mhmm.
Jagger:Like, he's gonna cause a problem.
Kopfhamer:He's gasping. Yeah. He's gonna
Jagger:be But
Alfredo:I don't think he's going to be the problem. I think I think you're very right on that.
Jagger:Yeah. Like, he's more like a means to an end. Like, I could see
Kopfhamer:They already showed it in the first episode when he's confronting Rick on the boat. Like, he jumps in on his father's behalf. So, like, we already see he's kind of a hothead. So he's gonna interject into a situation he doesn't belong easily.
Alfredo:And apparently, we're gonna get full frontal.
Jagger:Yeah. My daddy said you gotta put out your cigarette, misto.
Alfredo:Okay. Jamie Vance.
Jagger:Alright. So if
Kopfhamer:we some thank you
Alfredo:This leads us to who do we think is most likely to be the dead body or bodies at the end of this cough? Let's start with you.
Kopfhamer:I'm still gonna stick with Jason Isaac as one of them. And
Alfredo:Tim. To me,
Jagger:it's just how early
Jagger:Tim. How early he is with him. Tim Ratcliffe.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. He might be gone by next episode. Who knows? So I think Tim is definitely gonna be one. And then my second pick, I'm gonna go with Mook.
Alfredo:Oh, okay. Alright. Jagger, what about you?
Jagger:I was gonna say Mook, man. Top of mind. I mean, I I'm I'm here on the guy talk. He's gonna go full incel a little bit and yeah. And it it it maybe he doesn't go incel.
Jagger:Maybe he goes hero mode. I think there's there's two ways. They gave him a gun, and I think it was a fucking mistake. So
Kopfhamer:It's definitely gonna be a problem. Yeah.
Alfredo:I wonder. I think I think I'm still leaning towards guy talk trying to be the hero, and a monkey or something sets it off, and he's the one that accidentally shoots Mook.
Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Alfredo:And I would I don't I don't I I still have it in the back of my head that he could just lose his shit. But, you know, what I'm trying to do here too is I'm trying to look at all the promotional materials for White Lotus season three and who are the characters that are on it. No. But, like, you're you're trying to look at who are the characters that are on it because that those that's the death that's going to matter the most most likely. Right?
Alfredo:And and it's gotta be the characters that we are really connecting with. And I think the characters that we have most been connecting with right now have been GuyTalk, Belinda, and Rick. Those are the three characters that I think we have connected with the most. Whereas with, like, Tim, I think we're just watching Crash Out. I don't necessarily think we're connecting.
Alfredo:But the story, we keep wanting the best for these three characters, and I think those are gonna be one of the three that end up having the worst ending of it all.
Jagger:And the Radliffs kinda seem like with the exception of, like, Lockie and then the daughter, everyone else kinda, like, deserves it. Piper. Yeah. Like,
Alfredo:everyone like
Kopfhamer:Piper's definitely innocent.
Alfredo:Good for her. She got her meeting Friday 2PM.
Jagger:Exactly. All the rest of them, though, I'm like, you kinda maybe the mom's not sad. She's like a product of environment. I do not feel bad for Tim at all. Fuck Tim.
Jagger:He's just like any other execs out there that do bad shit get fucked. Which
Kopfhamer:which, going back to the her meeting, Friday at 2PM, do we think that's during the same time that the gunshots are happening?
Jagger:Yeah.
Alfredo:%. Percent. And then
Kopfhamer:we out of the compound. Yeah. She may be
Alfredo:So she's been eliminated from contention here. Mhmm. Yeah. That's a good that's a good call, Koff. That's a good call.
Kopfhamer:She doesn't deserve to get shot because she seems like the most
Jagger:hateful one. Of everyone. Plus 1,000.
Alfredo:Alright. I think that's gonna wrap it up for us. Though.
Jagger:Yeah. No. No.
Alfredo:Maybe. Maybe next episode.
Kopfhamer:I'm sure we'll do this episode.
Jagger:Props. We'll start doing props.
Alfredo:Let us know. Let us know who your, who your favorite is to be the dead body or bodies in the comments down below. And, of course, as always, we wanna make sure you guys like and subscribe to the YouTube channel. If you're listening to the podcast on Apple or Spotify, please take a second to leave a five star review, because not only are we talking about the White Lotus, which we'll be back again next Monday, talking about the next episode. But on Saturday, we're gonna be talking about episode eight of Severance season two.
Alfredo:And then this Thursday as well, we've got episode seven of Invincible season three. As always, I wanna thank you guys for watching and listening all the way through for myself, for Jagger, for Koff. We'll see you next time. Adios.
