Today, we're giving you our review and breakdown of Invincible season three episode seven. We're gonna ask the important questions, like, did this episode actually live up to the hype after that big cliffhanger? Spoiler alert, we're gonna discuss that heartbreaking death and explain another cliffhanger ending as we get towards the finale of Invincible season three. All that more on an all new episode of Unbinged just starting.
Matt Kopfhamer:This is your one and only spoiler warning for the latest episode of Invincible as well as anything covered in the comics.
Jagger May:Let's start it off
Alfredo Brown:right out of the gate. Did this episode live up to the hype? Jagger, I know last week, we were super excited for this one. We've got all the variants of Invincible. Did it live up to hype for you?
Jagger May:A %. And I think it exceeded that. Because, like, like, me and Koff were talking, you know, off camera about how I even when I was reading, like, the comic, I wish it was more, and the show gave me that. You got all angles. You got the the whole the whole experience in a lot more intimate level even though you didn't have, I would say, the cameo heavy stuff that was in the comic.
Jagger May:You know? Because you're like, Savage Dragon had, like, four pages in that issue, essentially. And, like, I'm not complaining. Like, Savage Dragon's cool. But in here, I wonder how they were gonna do that.
Jagger May:And getting, I I guess, a little bit more screen time of all the invincibles, it was just wonderful. You know? Like, I I started to say, like, Steven Yeun is not I would say he's not, like, the most menacing guy, and that's what makes it more fun sometimes. Because, like, Invincible is not like like, that's the thing. You got, like, Peter Parker in, like, Superman's body essentially in there.
Jagger May:So hearing him try to be a piece of shit is is, like, is fun. Let's put it that way.
Matt Kopfhamer:It's delightful, Jagger. I had such a good time in this episode. I watched it three times, like, back to back to back because I was like, more. Give me more. This was everything I wanted since I read this run-in the comics.
Matt Kopfhamer:And I know one of the biggest complaints online from the non comic readers, like, oh, it was so fast. It happened so quickly. This was a single issue. The invisible war is a single issue in the comics, and there's a reason why it's so quick. You will get more baby baby baby birds.
Matt Kopfhamer:Just just be patient. And I think that's a big issue with society at large, so I'm not gonna touch on it too much, but I was so excited for we're too impatient as a society. We need to, like, let shit breathe, and, you know, we don't always need more.
Alfredo Brown:Isn't that
Matt Kopfhamer:isn't that the point?
Alfredo Brown:I'm one of those non comic readers, and I was gonna say that this was very fast for me. And my complaint is that it didn't breathe, is that I actually wanted to get so, like, what Jagger was saying is we got more of these characters here in the show than we did in the comics. I'm sure we'll get there. Right? But this felt more like a weird speed bump to me in the action that is season three of Invincible, which I am assuming that's probably what it's supposed to be given the end of it.
Alfredo Brown:Right?
Matt Kopfhamer:Yes.
Alfredo Brown:It just didn't feel right. It just there was it it didn't feel right. I actually loved this episode.
Matt Kopfhamer:It won't.
Alfredo Brown:I just I just wish that it
Matt Kopfhamer:was It won't till next. Yeah. Right. That's you're supposed to feel that way. Like, honestly, no.
Matt Kopfhamer:Like, it going back to the comics, like, everyone when this issue dropped, everyone was like, wait. That's it? That's all that we're gonna get from the invisible war? And it's because of the ending with conquest coming. You're gonna see next week, if they do it correctly, if they adapt it, like, I think they will.
Matt Kopfhamer:Everyone's gonna be fine with the invisible war being so quick, because this was really meant to be almost like gonna move boost to the main course, which is the fight with conquest. And so we saw a little bit of growth from mark in this episode where he realized like, again, that that issue from the beginning of the ups, the beginning of the season, when he is, you know, we can't reform people and ceases, I guess we can. Like, this is a forefront issue, this episode. And we even see it with Oliver telling him to kill Angstrom and he struggles with it until he decides to do it, then he's too late. So, again, he is learning these lessons the hard way.
Alfredo Brown:I get it. I get it. I get it. And you're doing a great job defending it. I'm just saying it's hard as someone who hasn't seen the entire story.
Alfredo Brown:Like, I'm not I'm not like the baby bird that's complaining. It's just we don't know the full story. You have the benefit of the doubt knowing the full comic and the full arc and where it goes. As someone just watching this for the first time, I'm like, I didn't get enough of all these different invincibles and why one wants to bring mom back to his dimension and why the other one wants to kill her and why another one is just looking to rule various dimensions. And then all these lessons that Mark was learning and going through, it removes that weight by it going so fast.
Alfredo Brown:So I think I'm gonna be in the minority on this. And with the fellow non comic readers saying that it didn't live up to the hype for me. It was still a fun episode. It was a great episode. I actually think it was probably the second best of the season, but I was expecting something even bigger, even better, a potentially two or three episode arc with something like this.
Alfredo Brown:But I understand that's not how it was in the comics. So as a viewer of just the show, it is a little disappointing. It leaves a weird taste in my mouth, and I'm like, I feel very much like Mark. And I guess that's the point is I'm supposed to be like, well, fuck. Okay.
Alfredo Brown:Now I gotta switch to a whole another story and a whole another thing that I have to care about, and that's gonna be just one episode. And then I'm gonna get a cliffhanger into that into the next year into the next season. And I'm sure that's what all the writers are going for in the show. Right.
Matt Kopfhamer:The best way to for me, the best way for you as a non comic reader to imagine this is, like, with the MCU when Nick Fury had his one big week where it's, like, four movies all happened back to back for him, That's kinda what this is for Mark. It's like he has had like, he just dealt with PowerPlex and trying to get over the emotion of fighting someone who blames you for everything and, like, coming to grips with that. Then he has the invincible war where, goddamn, Anxum Levy is not dead. I didn't actually kill him. He's dealing with that aftermath.
Matt Kopfhamer:And now he has to deal with the conquest and the Viltrumites. So it's meant to be this almost whiplash effect of he is getting hit from every different angle, and how is he going to come out of that? You know, is he still gonna be a hero? Is he gonna kinda fall into that more antihero way of thinking? What is gonna be the aftermath?
Matt Kopfhamer:And that's really what this multiple story lines coming together is meant to do for him as a hero.
Jagger May:Secaf, I love you. Everything you're saying is right, but you're wordedness to death. It's like you you you gotta you gotta speak comic language. Guys, this is Spider Man where his sinister six is just multiverse versions of himself that are Superman powered across the world. Then after he beats the sinister six, now he has an avengers level threat right away.
Jagger May:This is Batman dealing with Gotham, and he's like, oh, fuck. I gotta, you know, deal with Firefly, then I gotta go deal with mister Freeze, and then Darkseid shows up. We've read this. We've seen this before, like, on the big screen and in comic books, and now we're gonna get this with Invincible. Like
Alfredo Brown:And I guess that's what I didn't want, though. I didn't want the Saturday morning episodic serial type thing where it's like, okay, Spidey, save the day again. We'll see you next episode, where it's like it just, like, kinda came and went so fast. I I my expectations have grown for this show, and I understand that's not how the comics are. So I'm trying to hold back a little bit.
Jagger May:It's the multiverse thing where, like, an excuse me. Like, the end of the spider verse thing where we're getting the lesson what Koff was trying to say of you get back up. It's like when you are Spider Man, you get back up every time. Like, we just saw Mark get knocked on his ass hard, and now he has to get back up and go face, like, you know, I I don't mean literal guys, so don't take this as speculation, but go face like grandpop. You know?
Alfredo Brown:So I wanna ask you
Matt Kopfhamer:guys Ben has sorry. If uncle Ben was on roids.
Jagger May:Yeah. And was like a racist, like, from this
Matt Kopfhamer:Instead of great responsibility, co yeah. Great power comes with great responsibility. It's like, yeah. Exactly.
Jagger May:It's abusive, Alfredo. I'm not trying
Alfredo Brown:to say that. I was really I was sitting here coughing. I was like, just don't do it. Just let that phrase die wherever your wherever your brain is going. Just stop.
Alfredo Brown:Really glad you did. I wanna ask you guys favorite moment from this episode for you. Cough, what what was the favorite for you? Because I know you loved it.
Matt Kopfhamer:Oh, I have two. Probably immortal getting his head, like, kicked off and then using that head to throw through a duplicate clone. That was badass. But I think my favorite moment was when, the execution mask, Invincible tells the other one the Omni Man won the fuck off, and the Omni Man's like, swearing won't make you cool, and then they team up. I thought I laughed my ass off of that line delivery.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. There was and and see, like, that's the kind of dynamic that I wish we could have seen a little bit more of. I'm like, why each of these guys were the way they were. I know for me, the one that I loved was, one of the Marc variants that went to the mother's house and pretended to be Marc and pretended to be her and looking for her. And, like, that was just that was so sinister, so dark, sitting there waiting for her to just pop out so that he could kill her, and then just the change in the tone of voice, like, out of nowhere.
Alfredo Brown:And I was like, oh, damn. Like, that was that was one there was so many of those eye catching moments in this episode, but that was the one that maybe just kinda sit back and go, shit. This guy means business. Jag, what about you?
Jagger May:My favorite moment is definitely everything that happened with Rex because it was me as someone who's a reader, the way they handled Rex was so beautifully done. And and I don't wanna get ahead of it, but I feel like it's more heart wrenching for the way you did it than the way the comic book did it. Because, like, you've heard you've heard me use this on this show before, Alfredo. It is Asuma Sensei from Naruto, where you're like, man, Rex is really awesome. And, like, it's in in anime, they butter up a character.
Jagger May:They make you love him even more just to fucking slaughter them right in front of you. And then and it feels gut wrenching in that. And finally seeing that play out was just a beautiful story because you get to see Rex be happy. Like, Rex does not have a happy life whatsoever. Like, he like and you get to see him talk about that more with Ray.
Jagger May:You get to see him experience a healthy relationship with a girl where he's not being a dickhead a little bit and be a good person before he goes out like a hero. So shout out to my boy, Rex Blow, man. RIP. I'm tearing up.
Matt Kopfhamer:Hell, yeah. We're gonna talk a little about that. Moment yeah. I I knew it was coming. I still was like, damn.
Matt Kopfhamer:This hurts.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. We're we're gonna talk a little bit more about that. But first, I just wanna remind everybody, you got a bunch of ways you can enjoy this show. First, it's right here on YouTube. So if you're watching this here on YouTube, please take a moment to like this video.
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Alfredo Brown:And if you are listening, please go ahead, leave a five star review for us there. Now, gents, we we're talking about Rex. We're talking about this sacrifice for him. This was the heart wrenching death for a lot of people. I'm gonna say, once again, I think I might be in the minority in this.
Alfredo Brown:Like, I'm I I feel like I'm playing the the villain in this episode for us, but it was underwhelming for me. It being an off screen death, it being something where I really feel like we hadn't spent enough time with Rex and Ray for me to care more. We didn't get too much of the backstory. Like, we got enough of the backstory, but not a lot of it. Like, I I just I don't know.
Alfredo Brown:Maybe I'm just I'm wanting more. I felt like amongst all of
Jagger May:the show on some hater shit today, Alfred. No, man. Because because, like, with everything that Jagger. The fact that this show
Alfredo Brown:has taken so long to get to the point that it's at and then crammed so much into one episode, like you said, Cough, at the beginning, give things a chance to breathe, and I feel like even this death here didn't really get its chance to breathe. And I understand that is the pacing of the story from the comics, and that's what the intention is, And I didn't like that. And I I think it's just gonna be one of those things where I'm fundamentally going to disagree with the way that the storyline has gone here.
Jagger May:And to to give you, let's just say, benefit of the doubt, it is so much quicker in the comic book that, like, here, it's just like, wow. This is so much. It's just like Right. We're going from Harry Potter living in a cupboard, and now we're we we we got, like, a twin mattress. You know?
Jagger May:It's it's like it's still it's not
Jagger May:it's, like, not that great,
Jagger May:I guess. Like, maybe, but I I thought it was fine.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. And, again, maybe it's because, you know, obviously, I can't separate what I've read and and what I'm watching because they're doing such a good job adapting it very closely while adding some context, adding some depth. So for me, you know, I I knew this was coming all season. So for me, I thought, oop, I thought they did a good job all season of building up that relationship with Rey, giving us another dimension to Rex because you're right. In the comics, he Rey is a, a guy and b, dead by this point in the comics.
Matt Kopfhamer:So we didn't have that relationship. So watching it throughout, it's like, oh, man. This is really gonna hurt when they do that sacrifice pool. And, and I, they, they did it kind of at the beginning of the, the episode where they're moving Ray in and he's like, I'm happy. And I'm like, damn it.
Matt Kopfhamer:They are definitely gonna kill him then because you don't have a character like Rex who is meant to be, you know, the the comedic relief almost in the background. You don't give him those poignant moments unless you're gonna kill him pretty dramatically. And watching him set his own skeleton, ablaze was fucking hardcore.
Jagger May:Yeah. I thought they were gonna I I I obviously, I knew Rex was coming, but I thought maybe they would keep Ray around long enough, make her make us really like her because Rex is such a favorite that they were gonna kinda keep him around, which, like, that's some studio shit. And, like, kinda I'd I'd kinda be okay with it because I do love some Rex, you know, and I'd be okay with yeah. I I'll be okay with more of that, but, like, no. He wouldn't I'm I what I've learned is that, like, I think Alfredo's immune to anime.
Jagger May:Like, just all all the tricks, he's just he's just immune to it. It just doesn't I
Alfredo Brown:don't watch it. Like, your your your tricks won't work on me, Gipsy. You it won't fucking work.
Matt Kopfhamer:I want
Jagger May:It's a hard man.
Matt Kopfhamer:To see
Jagger May:is tough. It's too tough. It's not.
Matt Kopfhamer:I'm more interested to see what they're gonna do with Rey now because, like, they're why She's coming back. From a story state. Yeah. They have a
Alfredo Brown:Like, she's gotta come back at this point. Right?
Matt Kopfhamer:But we're for what point is what I'm For what point?
Jagger May:Is. Like, like, to me, it just solidified even re a bigger reason why she doesn't wanna be a hair anymore. Like, Rex should like,
Matt Kopfhamer:you know, I proved her right. Yeah. Her whole point was, like, we sacrifice ourselves every day for people that don't appreciate it, and that's exactly what Rex did. So for her, either yeah. You're right.
Matt Kopfhamer:Either we're gonna see her come back to the team because she feels an obligation to his memory or
Alfredo Brown:I think I I think I subscribe to the she's she's done. I think it's an easy it's an easy way to, quote, kill off the character and just not have her around anymore and not have to do more creative writing to it, but make Rex's death matter that much more.
Jagger May:Yeah. And we and we got so much other stuff to explore that you kinda have to go away from these characters at at at some way or another, you know, where we can't keep having, like, a b plot of Rex when, you know because, like, maybe that's some of the reason why you felt like the invincible war is rushed, you know, or or or you're already worried that conquest be rushed. Because, like, we're spending a lot of time that we didn't have in the comics and other things. Like, I think the Rex death was still impactful because, like, at the end of the day, Rex being he's always a selfish cunt. So the fact that he would sacrifice himself even up until the very very end is, is something.
Jagger May:So I don't know.
Alfredo Brown:It was definitely still impactful.
Matt Kopfhamer:And we also haven't.
Alfredo Brown:I think I just wanted it to mean more. It felt like because the episode went so fast, the things that should have meant so much and had so much more weight, they just lost that weight because it never got a second to sit there.
Jagger May:Baby spoiler. Baby spoiler. Can I tell you that that's that's the point? What you're hitting, that is a whole main point that they're hit that that's gonna
Alfredo Brown:come out. What Cough said from the beginning is that, like, it's going to feel like that. It still just upsets me as a viewer. Like, I get that's what they're going for. It's like, if you if you made me a chocolate souffle and I told you I don't fucking like chocolate, it might be the best chocolate souffle around, but I don't fucking like chocolate.
Alfredo Brown:And so that's what's upsetting me with this episode. It's like, I get it. That's what they were trying to do. I still just like, we criticize so many other shows and movies for pacing, going too fast, not giving things time to breathe, show versus tell. And and this was one of those times where we're like, but it's okay because they improved upon the source material.
Alfredo Brown:So I I I get what you guys are saying. I'm just not ready to give it the free pass.
Matt Kopfhamer:We're also judging it before the story is complete because next episode should hammer home the point of this episode being rushed. Yeah.
Jagger May:No. I know. I I get it.
Jagger May:Probably gonna be an entire episode that is going to talk about the point that you made That that that that is that I don't know how to say that without being a bigger spoiler. Fine.
Alfredo Brown:I'll be on my hater shit. I'll be on
Jagger May:my hater shit. That's what I'm saying.
Jagger May:It's just like And
Matt Kopfhamer:it's perfectly reasonable. It's perfectly reasonable to feel that way as a show only watcher because I
Alfredo Brown:just wanna be validated, Jagger. Context. My opinion matters.
Jagger May:Your feelings matter, Alfredo. Okay. You're right. Yeah. I gotta treat you like my fiance.
Jagger May:Like, I can't
Alfredo Brown:Alright. Okay.
Jagger May:Okay. I
Alfredo Brown:didn't mean all that. I didn't mean all that shit. We got a cool little cameo really quick. Like, that actually made me laugh the the way it was it was thrown in there. Yeah, cohort.
Alfredo Brown:I thought that was great. Like, I was actually really looking forward to what was gonna happen, then it was like, oh, no. Not you. Just, like, right back into his little hole. Like, that was just great.
Alfredo Brown:We still see that
Matt Kopfhamer:Mark's the two archaeologists. You gone, you vile females.
Alfredo Brown:Just running the fuck out of there. Mark still refusing to work with Cecil. I'm sure we're going to get to, like, that's that's the whole thing with this show is because of the comic and because of all the source materials, we keep just saying, like, I'm sure x y z will come to a close at some point, and the story will come full circle. And so, like, that's what's tough for me as a a non reader is saying, like, okay. Why is this still not happening?
Alfredo Brown:Like, Cecil absolutely proved his worth. Mark has proven that many of the things Cecil does is correct, and he's still just, like, I'm not gonna work with you in the future still. Understand this means nothing. I'm just, like, alright. My favorite That's not that's not a critique of the show.
Alfredo Brown:That's just a critique of the character being stupid.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. My favorite moment of that though was when he when Cecil asked Mark to lead the new Guardians team and Mark's like, why the fuck would I do that? Why do you want me to do it? And he's like, you stood up to me. That means something.
Matt Kopfhamer:And to me, I was just like, that's like an ex boyfriend being like, yeah. I cheated on you and you caught me, but you're smart enough to catch me. So
Alfredo Brown:So I respect you.
Jagger May:You called me on my shit. You know, I need that. You cock ass.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. We thought I was like, oh, it's so toxic.
Alfredo Brown:There's so there's so many dudes like that. There are so many dudes like that. You just gave you gave me you gave me the eck through the camera, man.
Jagger May:I know.
Matt Kopfhamer:We've heard a dude
Jagger May:say that. We've heard a dude say that. You know?
Matt Kopfhamer:Cecil's an abusive ex boyfriend.
Jagger May:Yeah. And that's what, like god. Sometimes I hate that I've, like I I've liked that I've read this, but it's almost torture that I've read this. You know, sometimes because, you know, Cecil's such a frustrating character. Another one that we got, though, we got even for a second some, some fucking wolf man, dude.
Jagger May:Like, they give me Oh, yeah.
Alfredo Brown:And Brett
Matt Kopfhamer:And I did love Yep. I did love that they gave us the iconic line from the comics where he's like, I I've killed you before. I'll kill you again. Supposed to be spawn that he says it to, but they gave it to us with wolf man. So I I'm glad they were able to still adapt that line.
Alfredo Brown:Yep. So the big character that we get here at the end of this is conquest. Right? So let's talk about this ending here. I know it's been something we've been waiting for.
Alfredo Brown:What makes Conquest so terrifying as a villain? What makes him this thing that I mean, obviously, it's a Viltrumite. Obviously, he seems like the big bad Colonel Sanders of Viltrum, but, what are we what are we gonna be looking forward to? I said I've not read the comics. What should we be looking forward to here with this battle between Mark and, Conquest?
Matt Kopfhamer:Imagine, if you will, the hound from Game of Thrones, that style of fighter, he he's just he will tear through room because he can, mixed with, like, Superman's abilities. Like, that's what we are coming up to next. We have somebody who is essentially a sociopath because he loves violence. He loves a challenge, and he won't stop until either he stops breathing or whoever he's trying to be is stops breathing. Like, that's that's what makes him dangerous.
Jagger May:I love our new dynamic, Koff, because you're gonna give that I'm gonna give the TLDR. He's the final solution.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. There you go.
Jagger May:He's the final solution. You know? That's all I gotta say there.
Alfredo Brown:I was sitting here watching your face, Jagger, and I was like, I can't wait for Jagger to come in and be like, you you said everything right, but it sucked. So I'm gonna say it again.
Jagger May:No. I'm gonna
Matt Kopfhamer:say it more succinctly.
Jagger May:No. He just, like, gives, like, the full like, I I again, I give the TLDR, and then he gives, like, the cliff note. Yeah. Like, the like, the the cliff note at the end. It's, like, here's the actual explanation.
Alfredo Brown:We're gonna housebreak you, man. You're gonna start saying things faster and beautifully and eloquently.
Jagger May:You got you got this is what Twitter trade does. That's the problem here.
Matt Kopfhamer:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Jagger May:Like, I can give a speech and generalization so fast.
Alfredo Brown:Jags dropping a full opinions in four words. Takes takes no more
Matt Kopfhamer:takes no more.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. So what what are the expectations? What's the hype level for this final episode here? Because I know, expectations are really high going into this one. It seems they were met for you guys, not for me.
Alfredo Brown:Going into this finale of Invincible, what are the expectations here, the hype level, and should we as viewers, without spoilers and nonreaders, expect this story to continue on into season four that we're going into?
Jagger May:Hold on to your butts. That's all I got.
Jagger May:See? There you go. You're learning. I
Jagger May:was just
Alfredo Brown:about to say, give me more. You're like, no.
Jagger May:There you go.
Alfredo Brown:You're learning.
Jagger May:I will say that if everyone thinks that the end of season one of Invincible is the greatest episode of all time, that's my expectation as as that right there. Okay. Is that level. And I think we're gonna be set up for even more tension between Cecil and, I would say, everybody towards the end. What do you think about the fuck you level events that keep happening on Earth?
Matt Kopfhamer:This is a versus Yeah. There you go. This is Negan versus Glenn two point o.
Jagger May:Oh. Oh. I didn't realize that because,
Alfredo Brown:with Jeffrey
Matt Kopfhamer:and Morgenkoff.
Jagger May:Yeah. That's good.
Matt Kopfhamer:And which one's holding the baseball bat this time? Who's got Lucille?
Alfredo Brown:Alright. Well, alright. Well, don't don't give things away.
Jagger May:Well, no. What I what what I'm saying is that, like, they both have baseball bats and Earth is Glen.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. Well, guys, I mean, this was this is a really good episode of TV. We're getting towards the finale here. I think this is a good place for us to wrap up. We're gonna be back again, of course, next week going over the finale of Invincible season three.
Alfredo Brown:Like I mentioned, we're also talking about Severance, The White Lotus, and Daredevil Born Again. So you got a bunch of reasons to subscribe over here on UnBinge, whether that's on YouTube or the audio side on Apple or Spotify, for four, count them, four shows we are talking about right now, man. And we got a big summer coming ahead as well with Last of Us and some big movies releasing Fantastic Four, Superman so much. Huge. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Huge summer. Well, as always, wanna thank you guys for watching or listening all the way through for myself, for Jagger, for Koff. We'll see you next time. Adios.
Matt Kopfhamer:Adios.
