We're discussing our theories for the White Lotus season three episode four, and we're gonna be answering some of our biggest questions and theories. Like, guys, I think there is a connection between Rick and Greg and the White Lotus hotels even that all of us may have been missing. Our prediction on Tim Ratliff's crash out, it is happening really fast and, likely gonna end horribly. We got some foreshadowing maybe with the three women and and Valentine and his friends, and where can all that be going? And Belinda, my girl, you you gotta have way more chill when you're in the lobby of the hotel.
Alfredo:She may be giving us a whirlwind ending to the season that could be absolutely perfect. We're gonna talk about that prediction and so much more on an all new episode of Unbinged Starting.
Kopfhamer:Hey. This is a discussion podcast for White Lotus. We're gonna theorize. We're gonna talk about it. We're gonna spoil it.
Kopfhamer:So this is your one and only warning.
Alfredo:Hey. This is a discussion podcast about the White Lotus. And, gentlemen, first thing I wanna talk about here and I think he's just kind of the the the character we keep gravitating to on each episode of the show because we just wanna know when this is going to get revealed, when the big action is gonna happen. And it's Greg who has just been kind of the known murderer this whole time. I see a connection between Greg, the White Lotus, and potentially even Rick here.
Alfredo:So the first thing I I noticed here is we've been talking about how Greg doesn't he's not staying at the White Lotus, but he lives nearby, and then he comes there for drinks and food and whatever. We actually find out when Jacqueline and her two friends go to another pool, those old ladies say, we are not allowed at the White Lotus. Outside guests are not allowed to go in. So I start thinking, what makes Greg available to go there? I don't think it's just the money.
Alfredo:It could just be the money, and he paid his way in. Hotel points. Connection to the owner. Hotel points is another thing. It could be Tanya's hotel points.
Alfredo:I'm sure. I mean, you still you still need ID. I think there's a connection to the owner. And his whole background in the Bureau of Land Management and the constant discussion about how all of the White Lotus hotels are taking land from the people, the natives, the locals. We even get that connection there with Rick saying my dad was a do gooder, and he came over to help people that were getting their land stolen from them.
Alfredo:I think there could be a connection that's a little bit adjacent with each of these guys that we could be finding out very soon.
Jagger:Yeah. You think pop up is stealing the land, like, reverse kind of on there. Like like, to to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised because I feel like, one, how does the ownership work? Are you kind of like how, you know, Hilton was back in the day, or is it like how Marriott I actually know way too much about this, so it's almost too nerdy. I used to work in this field on there.
Alfredo:So Really?
Jagger:Like, so, like like, basically, management groups can buy into franchises. You get that. What like, you know, in that. So, like, you could own several of this here, but or does it work like one person owns all of them? You know, like, it like, that that's my big question.
Jagger:Is Jim Hollinger just own the Thailand One, or does he own multiple of them? Because then it feels like a good way to wrap this up, but there's gonna be a season four. So I don't know. Like, because I almost feel like White Lotus is beyond being an anthology anymore because trying to explain to someone where all these screens
Kopfhamer:are going to be,
Jagger:it's it's way too connected. We're way too deep. Right.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. So I could definitely see with Greg's background, especially, like you said, in the the Bureau of Land Management. He probably knows some yeah. He knows some shady shit. He knows some shady people.
Kopfhamer:Yep. You know, some, some people that probably think get things done. And so why specifically did he end up in Thailand, especially with a white lotus literally down the street from his house? So, yeah, it's all too coincidental for it to not be something more.
Alfredo:Yeah. Three seasons of him either being at or near a white load is, like, it doesn't just keep happening by accident. It's not like it's a preference of I really enjoy staying at the Hilton. There's there's absolutely something more here now that we're getting the the context that outside guests are not allowed there. And I think we even go back to the connection of season one where Kai, the employee at the White Lotus in Hawaii, is talking about how that land belonged to his ancestors, and it was stolen.
Alfredo:Like, this is a common thing. Jag, I think you're right. I think, like, the show is actually getting to a point where you could probably still watch it, but you're gonna need that extra context because I don't think it is an anthology anymore. I think you really do need to keep watching this almost as as a serial. Like, you really do.
Jagger:Yeah. And it's just like like, my fiance hasn't, like, watched much of season two, but she knows how it ends. You know? Like, yeah, you can jump in kind of within any season and feel comfortable. But to really get the most impact, again, we like, we're just too deep, and we need those answers.
Jagger:Because, like, I I agree with you. Greg obviously had to be a little wealthy. And and I think we are almost at a point where we're getting to, like, more and more posh because, like, we all can afford a Marriott just like what level of Marriott can we afford. You know? And I think we're just getting, like, more and more posh White Lotuses at this point because of why I can imagine that as long as you have a really, really good job and, yeah, you're still in the 1%, but you can walk amongst the normals and people don't recognize you.
Jagger:You're not like a celebrity, in Hawaii, and Greg could afford that. And then you hear the point where he says about investment. So, like, what if he really did have a decent job where he had White Lotus money, Hawaii White Lotus money, and then he married in to that Sicily White Lotus money. And even before then, even before Tanya, he might have been investing with it, it because you can invest in a lot of things.
Alfredo:Insider trading of knowing yep.
Jagger:Yeah. Exactly. And so, like, now that Tanya's dead, now he has that baller ass Thailand White Lotus money type shit. So that's, to me, Greg is one of those people that looks like a fucking schmuck, but is just smart enough to get by. Like, he's like, we always keep using this Oz from the penguin.
Jagger:That's Greg. A little little shit. You know? A little shit.
Kopfhamer:A little shit.
Alfredo:I don't know. No Goyle? No
Jagger:Tanya? Yeah. Exactly.
Kopfhamer:When when Rick was talking about his his poor murdered daddy and all the the good he was doing, Clearly, this is secondhand information he's getting from his mom. Right? So do we think do we think and, you know, I figured this last week that maybe Jim was the one that killed his dad. But there's a part of me that wonders. Maybe Jim is still his father, and he doesn't know, and that's gonna be the twist reveal of, like, he goes to kill him.
Kopfhamer:He's like, wait. I'm actually your papa. And I don't know. There's something there, man.
Alfredo:There's something father? When you say still his father
Kopfhamer:because I theorized him back in, like, a previous episode. Yeah. Maybe Jim was gonna be his turn out to be his dad, but I think they're trying to do a a purposeful misdirection with this poor murdered father angle, and it's actually begun with the
Alfredo:It's Obi Wan. It's it's, Darth Vader From
Kopfhamer:a certain perspective. Yeah. Right. Exactly. I mean, when He abandoned you.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jagger:The the thing that signaled it
Alfredo:to you the most is is Rick saying that his mom told him that on her deathbed as a child. Right? And it's one, moms are always gonna wanna have their their baby boys protected and tell them all the right things. And, I mean, that's a weird thing to say that someone murdered your dad, but it's maybe she thought that
Kopfhamer:was a thing.
Alfredo:A piece of shit. And Yeah. So plus, Jag, you and I were talking before we started recording. Is that the actor that's been cast for for the this potential murderer? I keep blanking on the name, guys.
Jagger:Jim Hollinger. Jim Hollinger.
Alfredo:Jim Hollinger. Thank you. The actor's been cast cummings. That's a
Kopfhamer:I almost
Jagger:last episode.
Alfredo:I was
Kopfhamer:gonna say Jim Henson this week. I was like, Jim Henson. No. That's not right either.
Alfredo:Jim Halpert. Yeah. All of them.
Kopfhamer:Next week
Jagger:in a like Caviezels. All the gyms.
Alfredo:But, dude, the actor that's playing him is, the same actor that played Stick from Daredevil. And it's just if that's not Walton Goggin's dad in TV land, like, I don't know who is, man.
Jagger:Yeah. Like, Scott Glenn, another one too. Like, if you guys will watch HBO, you might have watched The Leftovers. Again, Scott Glenn is an asshole dad at everything that he's in, whether it's Leftovers, wherever it's daredevil. He's gonna come in.
Jagger:He's gonna call you a pussy, and he's like, hey. I'm dad, and I've been gone for a long time.
Kopfhamer:I'm your daddy.
Jagger:Yeah. Exactly. You ain't my daddy. I said I'm your daddy, boy. He's like Tom Hanks' Wario when it comes to be America's dad.
Kopfhamer:He's he's
Alfredo:Tom Hanks. Okay. We're gonna talk more about this. We have a lot more theories, especially other characters like Tim's crash out, Valentin just trolling the shit out of Jack and her friends.
Jagger:It felt all purpose.
Kopfhamer:That was funny as hell.
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Jagger:bad. Fast.
Alfredo:And I can't look away.
Jagger:Yeah. I'm I'm Well, there was one part. No.
Alfredo:There was one part there where, Lucius Malfoy reveals his Nagini to the whole family,
Jagger:hang on. Dude hangs on.
Alfredo:Dude hangs on. Yeah. What's, movie from always sunny in Philadelphia?
Jagger:Oh, well. Under the express. Thundergun Express.
Alfredo:Press. He's like, yeah.
Jagger:I hear
Alfredo:he hangs dong.
Kopfhamer:No man left behind.
Jagger:I love the way he's just like, I just wanna work out. I don't do drugs. And now he's just, like, full blown beaching himself for like like, coffee at the the luras and pram counter. Like, that's what we need. Like like, if we ever did, like, a true reaction Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. Just a pill counter on the screen that how he's racking them up. Not my drug of choice, but it seems like a lot. So Well,
Kopfhamer:we gotta think about access too. Remember.
Alfredo:Is this is this something that would make him tired and, like, sleepy? Downer.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. It's a downer.
Alfredo:So he's like a downer while also drinking heavily. Like, that's, like, another
Kopfhamer:downer. Combo.
Alfredo:And I'm I'm surprised as to how many pills he took and how much he was drinking, and then he just kinda got off the boat, went to dinner, and was still stressed the fuck out. And I guess that's to just to, you know, show how stressed out he really is. But that was the one part where I was like, dude, I'd be zonked out. I'd be over. Like, there's no way I'm sitting at dinner with everybody not looking hangovers.
Alfredo:Fuck.
Kopfhamer:Which is why I think he might have a secret bill habit, and that's this may have they reveal it. So
Jagger:He used to.
Kopfhamer:Because he seemed awful comfortable wiping his wife's entire stash and then just lying to her face about it.
Jagger:Drug deal like, drug shit and his wife, like, I I kept
Kopfhamer:He took two when she noticed. She took Yeah. She took two three three total because the one the day before, but still, she noticed three missing places.
Alfredo:Yeah. It it magnified her problem as well. She's like,
Jagger:I can tell that there
Alfredo:are some missing from my bottle. Yep.
Kopfhamer:So
Jagger:it's like, I like to go to places and have fun too when I don't wanna be there. She's just like, is there a place where I could put my purse? I was like, yeah. She wants to know where she could sneak bumps, you know, or or I guess at her place. Like, pop
Alfredo:up with Absolutely. No. That is absolutely rich white lady thing.
Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Alfredo:Dude. I don't I don't trust anyone here. Is there a place I can put my purse where it's safe? And, like Yeah. That's a %.
Alfredo:Like, my mom would walk into some of it. Where can I put my purse? And if not, she's gonna keep that thing on her. Because, like, there's, ladies, in the comments down below, please. Most ladies are not putting their purse on the floor, especially if you are, of an older age.
Alfredo:Like, that is not a thing. And if you don't have a safe place to put it, you're keeping that thing on you. And I think it I think this was more so magnified by the fact she had pills. She wanted to know where she could stash it, but that's also just a general purse etiquette.
Jagger:That's a good point. To me, that this is a Rorschach test of, like, how you grew up. Because to me, I I I don't know. I've sold pot. I'm like, yeah.
Jagger:You gotta you gotta protect the the stash. Well, you could set your bag here. You're like, no. I'm not gonna set my bag to pull up my income down. You know?
Jagger:So, like, I thought it was full Maybe it's both. Like, actually, two things could be true on here where she's worried about her pills because, like, a lot of those places, you're not bringing cash. You have a card. So, you know, like, what are they really gonna steal from you besides, like, whatever you got from fucking Sephora? I wanna ask you guys.
Jagger:When, when old Timmy was, down there spilling his guts to the old Australian, fuckhead over there, did you take that he's glad they're dead? Like, he's glad they're dead because he's happy or glad they're dead be the shame. That because that's what I took too.
Alfredo:He's ashamed because that's it he was building up this lore about his whole family and the rat lifts were so well respected. Grandpa was governor and the dad was a sex successful businessman, and it's just like, look at me. And it I think it just keeps getting exacerbated that much more every time his wife, Victoria, is like, your father's such a boy scout. We're so lucky to
Jagger:have such an old boy scout. Yeah.
Alfredo:And it's just like it keeps making it worse and worse and worse and worse until he's just gonna explode. And that's that's where I mean, the crash out is just getting worse,
Jagger:guys. Yeah. This is where rich people all of a sudden become, like, prison and criminal reform. They're pro like like, well, you don't know what they did. It's like, now you care about not filling up in prisons now that you're on the other side of it.
Jagger:Amazing.
Alfredo:There were
Kopfhamer:two things there were two things that stood out from to me during that phone call. The first, his surprise that his assets being frozen. Like that, you'd think he would've been like, yeah. That's step number one for the feds to, like, freeze your assets if you're under investigation like that. And then two, when he's when he's telling them I would rather die than spend a few months a few months in federal prison, which In a country club prison.
Jagger:Right. Yeah. A little baby alley prison.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah. Like, you're really gonna you're really gonna crash out because you gotta spend six months or less in a in a federal prison. Like,
Alfredo:okay. This to me goes back to something that Jason Isaacs was actually saying in one of the recaps, after an episode about how his character, Tim, has just lived his life being so untouchable. And that's why they go back and give you that backstory if, like, dad was a governor. The other one can't it was a successful businessman. He's always come from money.
Alfredo:He's always had money. He's always been untouchable. So now the idea of and he even mentions this. His friends back at the club at home, them finding out that he would rather just kill himself than do three months in white collar federal prison, which
Jagger:Than live with the same.
Alfredo:It's it's crazy. And him not even realizing that his assets would get frozen, that's just privilege. Like, if if, you know, that that's just absolute privilege, not even knowing what happens when you commit crimes because you think you're that untouchable.
Jagger:How do you think
Kopfhamer:he was smart enough to put some
Jagger:shit over? Yeah. Put some shit overseas. Like, surely, he was smart enough.
Alfredo:You'd think I mean, if they got caught so easily with embezzlement and fraud, and his his thing that he always keeps saying to Kenny was, you know, you promised me that we'd be okay. He kinda seems like he might just be really fucking stupid because he's been so privileged his whole life.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah. Good point. And, like He's a mark.
Jagger:And you yeah. You gotta see it's like a yeah. Like, a % a mark. And, it's kinda like the the analogy of making copies of a copy. Now look at Saxon's dumbass.
Jagger:They Oh my god. Can we
Alfredo:talk about Saxon? Yes.
Jagger:Please? Can we play
Alfredo:the best
Jagger:way to
Alfredo:do it? I oh my god. Because I was writing down all of his quotes as he says them, and I just wanna list them. You know what? Let's do this.
Alfredo:I'm gonna say his quotes. You guys give it a rating out of 10. Of what? Of how how how discussed did
Jagger:I okay. There you go.
Alfredo:It's a fuck ass rating. FA rating here. Saxon. We do it for the high tea and BDE, bro.
Jagger:That's a five, bro. That's just funny. Okay.
Kopfhamer:That's just funny.
Alfredo:When he says, what? Do you want him to be like the gender goblins that tuck their dicks in?
Kopfhamer:Hey. Dude. That's that's a
Alfredo:meat on the fuck ass meter.
Jagger:Yeah. That that's a strong eight.
Alfredo:Don't turn my brother into an agender asexual like you.
Jagger:Nine. That's a 10. Yeah. Hey. That's a 10.
Jagger:He's gotta
Kopfhamer:think for alliteration. He's gotta think for alliteration.
Alfredo:A 10. Yeah. Guys, I've got the 12 right here.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. Dude.
Alfredo:When he looks the three ladies in the boat, he goes, Swastika.
Kopfhamer:No. Oh, dude.
Alfredo:That's just You know what
Jagger:I'm saying? The one I thought was a 10 where he says that Oh, yeah.
Alfredo:I'm getting thirsty from there.
Jagger:Oh, okay. Okay.
Alfredo:These girls are thirsty for some young cum.
Jagger:That that's like a 15, dawg. That's like a shit. Yeah. That's like a Gross. Like, the reason why the like, him saying, like, an asexual, like, the what may the the comment was an eight or nine.
Jagger:He's saying it to his sister was what made it a tip. Just the other one.
Kopfhamer:Out in front of her was
Jagger:Yeah. Just a cherry on top. Yeah. Hungry or thirsty for young cum. I don't know.
Jagger:Preach. Even a sense you use that as a joke. Like, that's not if someone even said that as, like, a joke, as, like, a bros, I'd be like, dude, shut the fuck up. Yeah. Seriously.
Jagger:You're gonna walk away. Yeah. Like, I would say no one laughed. Brother.
Kopfhamer:Bro. To your younger brother. You ugh. And let
Jagger:and let's expand on that. I texted y'all in the group chat. Like, my fiance has watched very little White Lotus. She's watched a lot of season one. Of this season, she's watched maybe ten minutes.
Jagger:She jumped in on this episode ten minutes in, and she's like, are these brothers fucking it was like There's some serious
Kopfhamer:Lannister energy for sure.
Jagger:Dude, it's crazy. And, like, what did it for me, like, the whole time, obviously, like, like, end of the first episode, whatever. But the way Lachlan acts, he acts like a dude with his wife where his sister's like, come on and do this nice thing for me. He's like, I got your back, bro. I got you forever.
Jagger:And then his wife over here is like, no. We're going to do some high t shit and going to pretend that we're into these old ladies while you and I go bang later. And then he looks over at his, like, at his sister. He's just like, sorry.
Alfredo:Sorry. Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. Like, Alfredo, you're married. You know, I'm close. We've all given our bros that look like and vice versa, where, like, your partner is like, you know, I can't do it. That's what that look was.
Alfredo:So I I think for him, it's not even so it's like, yeah. I think you're right. It's the same, dynamic. I think his reasoning, though, is I think he's probably struggling with his sexuality because it's it's been a very Yeah. It's been a very sexually charged relationship between him and his brother.
Alfredo:I don't actually think there is anything going on there. Let's I just I wanna be clear about that. For as cringey as he is, I don't think there's anything that's going on there with Saxon. But, I mean, this is almost like he's feeling, one, he's feeling stuck with his gen with his not a gender identity, but his his sexual identity. And, I mean, how do you even talk to your own family about that?
Alfredo:I think he's just trying to keep their approval and keep us going for as long as he can until maybe he's out of the house. He's away from everybody.
Jagger:College. Yeah.
Alfredo:Goes to college. You know? And that's why I think he's probably sticking with his sister who's who's so much more understanding because
Kopfhamer:She's safe. From what
Alfredo:we see
Kopfhamer:She's safe.
Alfredo:Mom's not understanding. Dad's not understanding. The brother's a fucking nightmare.
Jagger:The brother doesn't even understand life. Like, what?
Alfredo:I think so oh. Okay. So here because I think that's Saxon's
Kopfhamer:cut checks and crush ass. That's Saxon. Like,
Alfredo:Darling, he's totally he's totally the brother from Step Brothers. Honey, Dane Cook, twenty minutes,
Kopfhamer:baby view. Let's go.
Alfredo:Shout out Adam Scott Severance. Yeah. So Saxon, to me, feels like Lachlan's lorazepam. Like, just to get through the tough times, it's a way to make him forget about what he might be going through. So he just goes and does that because it's an easy, like, let me forget about everything.
Alfredo:Let me not have to deal with this at the moment.
Jagger:I like that because one thing that I thought too was him leaning into his brother was like, well, my sister's just leaving me. Because, like, his sister's also a real comfort where Yeah. I think he could be himself. You know? He he could be whatever.
Jagger:He doesn't have to be a complete dickbag. And her leaving, he's like, well, I guess I gotta, you know
Alfredo:to be this new version, this different version.
Jagger:Though. Gotta cash checks and crush ass.
Alfredo:I wanna get a Range Rover. I wanna make bank.
Kopfhamer:The one thing I will say about that scene, though, is when he's doing the magic to the to the ladies, like, he seemed to be having a really good time. Like, he seemed to have opened up for the first time this season. Was him to have been dying
Alfredo:to do his magic in front of somebody
Jagger:then. He's someone who likes performing, dawg. Yeah.
Kopfhamer:It's like, I don't He's Joe from Arrested Development, but actually talented. Yeah.
Alfredo:They're illusions.
Jagger:Illusions, dad. Illusions. Yeah. It's like Alright. I die fuck.
Jagger:It's us with our podcast. Look at my podcast, bro. It's all happening.
Kopfhamer:Pretty much. Every time I bring it up to somebody like, oh, that's cool, man.
Alfredo:You wanna watch it with me on this phone? Yeah. These are the logo. Can we can we talk about about fucking guy guy talk here? Like, what
Kopfhamer:come on, man. Live only central. Jesus.
Alfredo:I'm I'm back on the other side of this where last episode, I was saying he's an absolute creep. This like, he's still there there's there's a a dash of creep in there, but I do genuinely just think, like, he's just a nice guy. He's a mark. He's sort of an idiot. He's a sweet summer child idiot, and he's a simpleton, and he's, whatever other fun words you wanna say here.
Alfredo:Look. I think I'm still on the fence as to whether she's honeypotting him.
Jagger:I don't think she's honeypotting him.
Alfredo:I don't
Kopfhamer:think so. She's into him this week. It was yeah.
Alfredo:But, like, for example the date? Did she? I just saw her laugh and kind of, like, smile. I didn't see I didn't actually hear her give a reaction of, like, yes. Let's go on the date.
Alfredo:Yeah.
Jagger:I was like, I'd love to go on a
Alfredo:date with you sometime, and she's like, and that's it. Like, that's that's kind of what a girl does when she's just trying to brush you off but not be mean. And that's the exact vibe I got with Mook.
Kopfhamer:Maybe I misunderstood, but, the the end of that scene, he said, okay. We're gonna have our first date tomorrow. She goes, yes. I maybe I miss maybe I misremember. No.
Jagger:Let us know in the comments. Y'all tell us who was right or not.
Alfredo:I know I know they were gonna meet people.
Kopfhamer:Too optimistic.
Jagger:Yeah. I know they were gonna meet people. That's why. Maybe that's what it was. Lunch is not
Alfredo:a not a confused.
Jagger:Yeah. We we've all seen, Just Friends.
Alfredo:Yeah. You don't you don't get together for lunch with her.
Jagger:You don't get exactly. I do think that, I think she likes has feelings for guy talk, and I don't mean even feelings as romantic, and maybe she's working through that. But at at the very least, friends is where I'm at. And I think she's at the point now where she's like, there's a lot to like about guy talk, but I need someone with some ambition. Yes.
Jagger:And maybe a little bit of, you know, just I hate to use the word alpha because I don't wanna sound like this sexy. But but
Alfredo:someone who's like a go go.
Kopfhamer:She wants somebody with spider.
Jagger:Yeah. So it's just somebody that That's better. Yeah. I wouldn't even say that.
Alfredo:I think she just wants someone who's gonna match her level of ambition because I it it seems like at least, like, that's once again, we're getting into stuff outside of the episode, hearing the characters talk about it afterwards where Mook is talented and she's a performer, and that's why she's in that dress. And she wants to do more, kinda like how Fabian, the hotel manager, wants to do more and be an entertainer. And God Talks the only one that's kind of just he seems very happy just being a security guard, and he only really he doesn't really even want the promotion for himself. He wants the promotion so that Mook will be happy. That's really it.
Alfredo:Mhmm. And the this whole thing comes because of the gun that he's given, which
Kopfhamer:Which Just My god. Management. How how can manage I left Fabian. He's there for five seconds. He's like, okay.
Kopfhamer:Good talk. I reprimanded you. Now this guy's gonna take over, and then he dips. And then the second guy is like, alright. Here's a gun.
Kopfhamer:Practice. And dips. And it's like, what? My god. Upper management.
Kopfhamer:What are we doing?
Jagger:I've I've worked for a lot of Fabians like that, and they generally have this assistant manager or whatever, middle management. And I'm not say yeah. I'm not saying that, GuyTalks manager is like a dickhead or whatever, but, obviously, he's a guy who's experienced. I think they probably should have a gun up there. But Sure.
Jagger:But GuyTalks
Kopfhamer:is not the one that uses gun and say go
Jagger:for it. Go and hire someone who is trained and has has experience for that is what you do. You know? But, like, you get the famous who come in who are mad, but they're kind of a bitch. And they're just gonna be like, here's my thought, and I'm gonna give you a compliment sandwich.
Jagger:But it's everything that's
Alfredo:in the middle.
Jagger:Praise. Yeah. Everything in the middle is what I really care about, and I'm here to kill you with. And then I'm gonna let my dog here, loose on you. And then Also,
Alfredo:here's a gun.
Jagger:Exactly. And then I'm gonna go, and I'm gonna call this problem fixed. And it's almost like this. To me, Fabian's like, he's either gonna fail and I get rid of the problem or the problem solved. Like so it's like a win win for him, but it's also a loss.
Jagger:What do you consider as a gun? So I don't know.
Alfredo:It the the fact that they were like, you need a gun. I'm licensed. So here's just here's the gun, and Good luck. Go go train later.
Jagger:Yeah.
Alfredo:Like, that just doesn't seem like the way to do it. I it would seem like, obviously, the conversation would be like, hey. We're gonna go do some training after work today. There'll be a gun there for you to use, and then, like, that's I I it seems like they just wanna go really
Kopfhamer:quick with this. It it should have been, like, you'll get the key when you can prove you can handle yourself with this thing. We're gonna go practice after work today. And that's that's where you should
Alfredo:spend it. Somewhere else. Like, make him make him a cabana boy. Like, they'll hire
Jagger:someone else. Gates. Like, I've been on resorts. There's security guards on the other place.
Alfredo:We're we're complaining about a plot device. Like, we we we don't have to fight the logic on this. It's stupid logic, but we all know it's gonna happen. Well, all this does happen because of what we assume our theory here is that Valentin and potentially his boys. Because I think those two guys that he introduces, Jackie and her Jacqueline and her friends to are the two guys that robbed the hotel earlier, especially with him distracting guy talk.
Alfredo:And with there there's been, like, a lot of talk about the tattoos they have and how one of the guys has a tattoo that represents that you are actually an active criminal or that you have been imprisoned or something, and then you oh, he obviously sees the other one with the snake. There's a lot there. Jag, what are your thoughts on this one? Because I I think this is not only, one, it's gonna be the reveal that these guys were the robbers, but the little foreshadowing of him setting up these women to basically get trolled. One, going to the old people beach or old people pool and then getting shot at with the water guns and then running through the streets, to me, feels like the very, like, symbolism of them running away from gunfire.
Alfredo:And then we see the monkey that's always a symbolism of mischief that is a fountain shooting water. So
Jagger:there's so much fun catch. Had a white had a white lotus painted as
Alfredo:well. Good catch. I didn't even notice that was lotus.
Jagger:Yeah. The
Kopfhamer:one they said was cute, and then they turned on them. Yep.
Jagger:Yeah. Like like like, to me, it was total symbolism there. And that's why I think the white ladies are gonna die because, like, to to use a film term, Chekhov's gun, for those don't know, it is a writing technique that if you introduce a gun or something, it should be the with the intent to use it. We have four on the board right now. We have GuyTalk's gun.
Jagger:We have, I'm counting all the Russians as gunmen, essentially, because they're all dangerous. We have all three. We know that they're not allowed onto the property with without being a guest. Now they have the entry point with these two ladies. So you got all three of those Russian guys and guy talks gun there.
Jagger:What are they going to do? Where especially when you think that they're gonna rob this place, they got incredibly wealthy people. Valentine's probably gonna get that one big score, dip out, go to Laos or whatever other fucking country and country hop and do this shit. If I'm not saying that they're gonna cause the ultimate death, but heaven forbid, you know, we get a little further along when something happens because these guys are clearly clearly guns or gunmen in my opinion.
Kopfhamer:I wonder I wonder if Jason, if Tim is gonna be a coward and not kill himself. Right? But hold on to
Jagger:the gun somehow. I think that's a thing. Yeah. I mean, that's a thing.
Kopfhamer:Right? He's not gonna be able to do it, and then he's gonna have the gun on him when these Russian guys do the ultimate score, and he tries to be a fucking hero.
Jagger:So that's how he does that. Mind.
Kopfhamer:Yeah. I I Here we go. And he ends up killing somebody by accident. Yeah. There we go.
Alfredo:Maybe. That could be very reminiscent of season one Mhmm. Where Homie gets what was it? Like, the knife or what? A a plot.
Alfredo:Yeah. I keep calling plot. The only thing is I did notice for the promo for the next episode, it looks like GuyTalk is actually going to approach Tim. Because we see after Tim Pat Tim takes the gun, we do get some zoom in. That pan and yes to the CCTV cameras.
Alfredo:And so there is going to be some video of him going in there, taking the gun, being the only one around when the gun goes missing.
Jagger:So I thought I could see guys
Kopfhamer:not being willing to talk to his manager about it and try to do it hush-hush and tinge
Alfredo:Of course.
Jagger:He's not off.
Alfredo:Dude, you're not letting anyone know that you lost your gun. You're the babysitter that lost the kid. You're not doing that. It's the same thing. That's the
Jagger:same thing. Well, Farrell, the other guy is the power. The power. Yes.
Alfredo:Would've loved it
Kopfhamer:to be a great reference. It was perfect.
Alfredo:Okay. So we're we're we're talking about, like, who could be shooting who and how is this gonna happen and all the different guns. I have a theory on this, and I think this is how Belinda plays into this because I think you don't bring Belinda into this season unless she is going to be a major catalyst or plot mover and a catalyst
Kopfhamer:Right.
Alfredo:For this as to why as to just, like, I guess, bring down Greg. And you don't do all this without a reason. Right? So I'm thinking here, one, she already did all her research, looked him up about how he's one, Tanya's dead, and now he's here under a different name. All the all the red flags are going off here.
Alfredo:I think it's very possible she's going to approach the other hotel employee that's Pornshai. Once again, most unfortunate name in the show.
Jagger:I
Alfredo:would not be surprised.
Jagger:Tea is what that's that means. Right?
Alfredo:Like Yeah.
Jagger:Pornshai? Like It's like a
Kopfhamer:stuffed tea.
Alfredo:It's like a dirty tea.
Jagger:You know?
Alfredo:Like, tea that had it stirred with a dick or something.
Jagger:I don't know.
Alfredo:Not enjoyable, man. Anyways, don't drink that. I think that she could be reaching out to something like Interpol or some sort of authority that could show up to the hotel. Cool. And and you've got, like, four or five different people that could all be worried about Interpol being there from, from Greg To,
Jagger:like, close to the island.
Alfredo:To Rick. Yeah.
Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Alfredo:To Greg, Tim, Rick, Valentin. All of that on the boat.
Kopfhamer:Worried. All the old dudes
Jagger:on the boat.
Alfredo:All those old guys on the boat, I think there's gonna be so many people. That's why I think that we hear multiple gunshots, and that's why I think it's so quiet. It's not something where a lot of people even know. I think it's something where Interpol or some sort of organization raids the hotel very quiet to take someone in, and that's where the gunshots go off. Maybe even something as similar as GuyTalk not even knowing that these people are raiding to arrest someone, he starts shooting at them.
Alfredo:There there's a lot that could go on here, but I think I think we're looking at, like, two or three different dead bodies by the end of this.
Jagger:Yeah. And, really, the big theme of this show is dads and old men who are just internalizing stress from some type of massive fuck up that they're that they're doing. You know? Like, they all are. Like like, you kinda get on that boat and you see Tim and Rick see each other, these two just just tits.
Jagger:Like, they're not even I don't even think they're directly mad at each other. They're just both tense, and then they're in the same area. So, like, everything's just fucking annoying.
Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Jagger:Yeah. So, like, the yeah. Like like, they're gonna boil over, and they're not even really related directly with each other. They're just in the same fucking area.
Kopfhamer:They're just in the pressure cooker. Yeah. Yeah.
Jagger:Exactly. Same pressure cooker. Yeah.
Kopfhamer:Speaking of Rick, I I I'm loving every week more and more his and Chelsea's dynamic, especially when she started pouting a little Victorian child. He's like, alright. Fine. We'll go on the boat. It's like,
Alfredo:my It's just really that he actually cares about her.
Jagger:He does. Yeah. He doesn't wanna lose her.
Kopfhamer:For a long time, I was wondering why are they together? And it's like, okay. He actually has feelings for her in a way that, yeah, he treats her like shit most of the time, but at the end of the day, he may love her.
Jagger:Mhmm.
Alfredo:Yeah. I'm I was happy that he was He did
Kopfhamer:trust her enough. I was gonna say he did trust her enough to open up finally, which was a nice development.
Alfredo:Yeah. He actually like, he trusted her. He was open with her. We got that reveal as an audience that I think we all expected. I don't think we expected it this soon and for him to then still follow through with it after revealing that to Chelsea.
Alfredo:But I think that what this is doing now is it is going to set up something. I'm very intrigued to see where we go with this whole full moon party or parade or whatever whatever it is where, really, you look at that boat, none of our old guys are there. It's Saxon, Lachlan, and, like, what, three or four women? Chelsea.
Kopfhamer:Yep.
Alfredo:It's yeah. Like, it's yeah. Plus, I know we're gonna get another hanging dong here moment with Saxon who's gonna get butt ass naked because it's been in the promos, and it's it's been talked about plenty. So that's gonna be fun to deal with. But we're I think Saxon's gonna find himself in some trouble, and I'm curious to see what kind of blow up is also gonna happen with Valentin and the three other women, Jacqueline and her friends.
Kopfhamer:I could I could absolutely see a
Alfredo:creepiness too. Can who? Who are you saying is gonna kidnap?
Kopfhamer:The Jack being Jacqueline being a celebrity sorry. Jacqueline being a celebrity and her her friends could be kidnapped by these Russian dudes if they are that shady. I could see that being
Jagger:a popular ass crime. That never works.
Alfredo:That's, honestly, after
Kopfhamer:But they seem like dumb dudes.
Jagger:That's true. But They they were smart how they got in. Like, I think their street smart enough where they wouldn't do that. Like, kidnaps and ransoms have, like, a 0% rate.
Alfredo:Remember, this wasn't their plan. Like, it wasn't their plan to say, hey. Come meet us at this place. They grabbed him. They grabbed Valentin, put him on that, like, party tuk tuk, and then they they went off to the streets.
Alfredo:And if anything, it's almost like he was trying to abandon them or troll them so that they would just give up, and they're still kinda pushing. And I almost say that this is like his revenge on all of the annoying guests that he gets, especially some of these women that think that they can just, like, use him.
Jagger:Sexualize him.
Alfredo:Yeah. And and they're they're easy marks too at this point. So I don't know that I see the sorry. Sorry. What will be nice?
Alfredo:We'll be nice. We've been No. No. No. No.
Alfredo:No. Time out a couple times returning into Guy Koff. Okay. So I'm not a hunchman. We love Cough, everyone.
Alfredo:We love him very, very much.
Kopfhamer:I'm just saying it could be a potentially crime of opportunity where they get so annoyed with these women. They're like, fuck it. She's a celebrity. We we might be able to do something here.
Jagger:And that's I
Alfredo:think they're more likely to rob them without them knowing.
Kopfhamer:There you go. That could be another way to do it.
Alfredo:Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what we're trying
Kopfhamer:to think of how these ladies without being abandoned in the streets of Thailand, like, how are they gonna get how are they gonna be in danger if they go back to the white lotus? You know what I mean?
Alfredo:I don't I I don't quite know, but I think this is more of just building up the pressure cooker about how now they're getting more intertwined and intermingled with this guy, Valentin, and and his two homies that were likely the robbers. Like, it all seems too obvious. I'm sure there's going to be a twist somewhere that we're just not seeing. But I think it's more so of just knowing that they are so intertwined with them at this moment that they're kind of already in danger.
Kopfhamer:Mhmm. Good point.
Alfredo:Okay. So with this thought that we have all these different characters in danger, all these different characters that could potentially be dying, we talk about Chekhov's gun. What where where are the odds at right now? Who do each of us think is dead at the end? If it's multiple people, give me your multiple people that you think are dying by the end of this.
Alfredo:Jagger, go.
Jagger:The white ladies. I think they're toast. And All three. All three are gone. Wow.
Jagger:Okay. Interesting. Okay. Cough?
Kopfhamer:I'm gonna say I I still think Tim, whether by his own hand or someone else I'm still not sure of yet. But Tim Belinda, I think, is in trouble because, man, she cannot keep a poker face. Like, what are you doing? And then I'm gonna throw in Saxon because I think he's gonna try to fuck Chloe or he's going to, and then ole Greg boy is gonna be real mad about that. So I think those three are Gonzos.
Alfredo:Alright. I got my thought process here. I actually think everyone in the Ratliff family is going to be fine because I think they're gonna need their up and comings here. I think death is gonna be too easy for Tim, and he's actually going to get his punishment. Saxon's gonna get some other punishment too.
Alfredo:I think, one, I think Greg is probably getting arrested or killed.
Jagger:Let's hope.
Alfredo:I think Goggins, Rick ends up being the guy who's dead because he's he's kind of the sympathetic character so far that is making the bad choices, and we like him. Like, I don't know anyone that's watching this that is like, god. I really hate that character. It's easy for them to kill off Saxon. We're like, well, yeah.
Alfredo:You know? Probably should have. You know?
Jagger:Put Lachlan on that list.
Alfredo:Yeah. Lachlan. Mhmm. Victoria. Okay.
Alfredo:Now I'm going back to the Ratliff's, but, yeah, like, the wife, Victoria, could get caught in a crossfire of some sort. I still think it's Rick, Walton Goggins' character, who I think is gonna be dead. I I think it's gonna make sense for it to be, Mook or GuyTalk as being one of the dead bodies as well. Mhmm. Because I don't think this is gonna be one or two people.
Alfredo:So I I think it's Mook or GuyTalk and then Walton Goggins' character, Rick. Belinda, I think, makes it out perfectly fine, and I think Greg ends up getting arrested, and Tim has to go back home and get arrested, or he gets arrested as well.
Jagger:I like it.
Alfredo:Boys, we did it. We got through another episode here of the White Lotus. Things are really starting to build up. I'm still loving this season. I don't know about you guys, but I'm still very high on it.
Alfredo:We're having a lot of fun. The characters have been great. I really don't think we truly know what direction this is gonna go. But we're gonna be back again next week to keep talking about the White Lotus season three. Like I mentioned, we've also got a bunch of other shows that we're talking about here.
Alfredo:Severance season two, Daredevil Born Again, Invincible season three. We're gonna be talking about The Last of Us. We've got Andor coming out. We've got Night of the Seven Kingdoms. So many different shows that are coming out.
Alfredo:Honestly, some that we don't even have on our schedule yet that we might just start talking about because they have been so popular, and we enjoy them so much. So make sure you are subscribed to Unbinged on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts in Apple or Spotify. As always, wanna thank you guys for watching or listening all the way through for myself, for Jagger, for Koff. We'll see you next time. Adios.
