On today's show, we are discussing our theories for the White Lotus season three episode five. What about that fallout from Jacqueline and Valentin and Tim, Guy Talk, Agun, the trio that we've always needed. Belinda, Fabian, where's this going with Greg and Gary? There's there's so much that's just leading into this next episode, and this one had to have been the horniest episode of all. And while we all got a little Asian girl inside of us, apparently, we'll also talk about who we think is most likely to die because the theories are just really starting to bubble up.
Alfredo Brown:All that and more on an auto episode one binge starting now.
Matt Kopfhamer:Hi. This week, we're talking about White Lotus, so we're probably gonna spoil it. If you haven't seen it, this is your chance to go watch it before you watch us spoil it for you.
Alfredo Brown:Guys, I have never sat and thought about me being a little Asian girl. And now I've thought about it more than I ever have in my entire life. And I I don't I don't know much like the scene that we watched in the show. I have absolutely nothing to say about it and no thoughts about it. But, Jagger, I know you do.
Jagger May:This would be the perfect time to bring up anime. No. I'm just kidding.
Alfredo Brown:$1 in the jar. Yeah. I was like,
Jagger May:I had to set you up for that. Like, you asked, like, what what are our talking points? I'm like, what else is there to talk about? It's like, they almost kinda shoved that too early in the episode because I couldn't focus on anything else. Because one, I thought we were gonna see Rick go straight to go see his daddy.
Jagger May:I was, like, ready to go see that setup, but, of course, he's gotta go see his gut. I was happy to see Sam Rockwell. And then it kinda felt like you're meeting a homie. Well, he was meeting a homie, but, like, you go back home for a long time. You haven't seen this dude in a long time, and you just wanna get a drink and hang out.
Jagger May:And then he wants to tell you about the weirdest religion ever. And that's exactly what happened. But when I tell you this story, it doesn't sound as weird as what we actually freaking watched with Pumpkin.
Alfredo Brown:I mean, everyone has been there. Everyone's been there where you finally got back together with an old friend. Hey, How you been? Then they actually tell you how they've been as opposed to being like, yeah. I've been good.
Alfredo Brown:I've been good. How about you? And that I I cannot imagine what I cough. What would you have done in this scenario? Like, how how do you respond to someone telling you this?
Alfredo Brown:It felt like the scene in Super Troopers where it's like, $2 for me to touch it, $3 for you to watch me, you touch it, and it's it was a lot. It was a lot of levels to this.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. I mean, I would have probably responded the exact same way Rick did, which was with shock on my face and a good for you, buddy. Thanks for sharing. Because what else can you do in that yeah. What else can you do in that situation?
Matt Kopfhamer:When somebody throws a curveball that magnitude at you, all you can really do is is just kinda swing and hope you hit it and make some connection. Because no not trying to yuck anyone's yum. Like, good for him
Alfredo Brown:for exploring. Hated that. Don't say it.
Matt Kopfhamer:Nope. Let's start the whole recording
Alfredo Brown:over. Character. Let's start throwing it back, guys. Ball up top.
Matt Kopfhamer:I don't wanna kink shame. There you go. Good for him on exploring his sexuality, exploring his religion, his spirituality. Like, it takes a lot of courage for someone to be able to do that and then go to a friend that you've known for a long, long time and be like, hey. Guess what?
Matt Kopfhamer:This is what I found out about myself. Are you still cool with me? And by the way, here's a gun on the side.
Jagger May:Because that was
Alfredo Brown:You know what's crazy?
Matt Kopfhamer:That scene was that's his connection to get a gun and kill his daddy.
Alfredo Brown:Well, you know what's crazy is I think that this episode, it being the horniest episode of them all, showed us many different facets of it. One where we see where and we'll get into that, where Saxon, for, like, probably the first time in his life, is the prey, no longer the predator, and out of control for the first time, and he actually took drugs. And then we have the other side of it with, Jacqueline and Laurie and and all of them with with the Russian guys and and kind of the cat and mouse game there. And then you've got Sam Rockwell's character coming in and kinda just having his own horny relationship with himself. Like, he's the only one where it just kinda breaks all of the the the stigmas and stereotypes that we know of predator prey and just straight up monologues up fucking himself.
Alfredo Brown:And it really just showed the dichotomy between all of these characters and the way that they view sexuality and how he kinda breaks away from it with religion now. Whereas he talks about Buddhism is the breakaway from the body, from the taking the spirit from the body.
Matt Kopfhamer:And then you also contrast that with Belinda and Porncha having that little moment of do you guys consent? Because we just started doing that.
Alfredo Brown:So good. So good.
Matt Kopfhamer:Was the first time we heard about consent in this horniest of horny episode. So I think that was a really cool little plug.
Jagger May:Yeah. Horny shit. Yeah. It was
Alfredo Brown:on so many different levels. It was honestly, it was so many different levels of of just sex of, like, of what it is. Whether it's sex with yourself, sex with another person where consent is theirs, stuff where there
Jagger May:is no consent. Your brother? Can't to me to me, it no. I'm not done yet. Sam Rockwell on here.
Jagger May:I do
Alfredo Brown:not yield my time. Sam
Jagger May:Rockwell. Feel the bus. His is, like, even deeper than that is, like, how he just kinda ended. He went on that full monologue, and it was about him becoming a Buddhist. And but, like, the end of it, he's just, like, at that whole sexual journey, he's just, and that's when I decided I needed to quit drugs or partying.
Jagger May:Because like, at the end of it, like, that was the problem. It was not that he was out fucking all the time. It was not that he was being fucked. It was not that him setting up a scenario where he was imagining him fucking himself as an Asian girl. It was just like, man, I probably should do less cocaine.
Matt Kopfhamer:Is a real Rick James because
Alfredo Brown:he's a It's not the destination. It's the friends you made along the way.
Jagger May:Habits you pick up on the way more Oh my god. Jesus. Now we could go. Now we could
Matt Kopfhamer:go. Okay.
Jagger May:Did it feel like Lachlan was trying to fuck sex now? Like, feels it felt like I so the way
Alfredo Brown:I saw it well, the way I saw it was him being so willing to take the drugs was being willing to throw his inhibitions to the side and have his own little sexual awakening. And I I do wonder to an extent, is this sort of Lachlan checking to see what his preferences are, what he is open to, and that's almost a a safe environment where it's like, oh, you're my brother. We didn't mean anything by it. We're all on drugs. We're all drinking.
Alfredo Brown:The girls told us to do it. Like, come on, bro. And I I wonder if that's maybe where his I I I can't explain it. I can't explain it because I don't I don't know how one gets into that situation and where you go from there. But there's a whole big bag of fucking crazy that we have to open right here.
Jagger May:Yeah. To to me, it felt like Lachlan was like, my brother is having a good time, and he's not worried about protein powder or whatever. He's in his element, and we're focused on hanging out in these women. Now I'm getting loose. Now I want my brother to feel normal so we can be weird and normal normal together.
Jagger May:You know? So he's just like, here. Take this this drug. So it it's almost like he was feeding Saxon's playbook back towards him. Except now he has this other pill here.
Jagger May:It's just like, cool. I love these older women, but I really love you type thing. That's what I got. Like, I'm it was it's weird. And they're clearly building up to that.
Jagger May:There's no longer, like, hints and, like, if ands, maybe. Right?
Matt Kopfhamer:And I think I think next episode, we're gonna see them cross that line, and then it's gonna be the fallout with the rest of the family. Because you already have mom on, like, high alert because somebody stole her pills, and her daughter is now a Buddhist, which, oh my god, she's moving to Taiwan, which hilarious when she got that wrong. Oh, god. And then you got Tim on the edge of suicide. So what's it gonna what's gonna happen when it's like, my two sons fucked each other?
Matt Kopfhamer:Like, what's gonna happen when that revelation comes?
Jagger May:It crazy that Victoria's one of the more normal ones at this point? It's crazy. Like, what
Matt Kopfhamer:the hell happened, man?
Alfredo Brown:She's just chilling on her drugs on her lorazepam. Like, this she's
Matt Kopfhamer:just great.
Alfredo Brown:I have some pretty stuff. Of life.
Jagger May:Actually, I don't wanna shit on Piper because, like, Piper is like Piper's the most normal. Yeah. Like, that's a joke. Because she's like literally, she like, alright. My brothers went off to bang, and now I'm gonna talk to my parents.
Jagger May:I got mom. We
Alfredo Brown:gotta we gotta chill with that. Okay? They they didn't go.
Matt Kopfhamer:It's gonna happen, man. Yeah. It's
Jagger May:okay. It's There's what a
Alfredo Brown:I'm not going there. I'm not going there yet. Okay. I'm not going there yet.
Jagger May:I want I wanna ask you, Alfredo. Because I meant to I was gonna I was gonna skirt past it, but since you brought this up, do you think it's that kiss, man. It looked like they've done it before, man. Like, the second time the first time was a peck, and they're like, go in for it. And then he, like, went
Alfredo Brown:in for didn't enjoy it. Like, Saxon was not into it. Saxon looked like the prey for the first time here. Like, he had his own playbook used against him, and now he went from being the powerful one who was always in control to, like now, Lachlan, after he did it, he was so into doing it and then felt almost powerful afterwards. Like, now I'm the one dominating big bro.
Alfredo Brown:That's how it felt more it almost felt like a prison thing of, like, you go and find the biggest guy in the yard, make him your bitch. And that's kinda what it found like within the family is Locklan's like, I'm the master of this sex dojo now. And it's and he almost, like, he out weirded he out weirded Saxon. I don't think we're gonna find them fucking, but
Matt Kopfhamer:I'm
Jagger May:just So what I'm
Alfredo Brown:saying
Matt Kopfhamer:What I think is gonna happen is Chloe, she saw that, what you saw, that that Lachlan liked it and Saxon did it. And she is now she's also a mean girl, like we were talking pre show, like Jacqueline. Chloe's the same way. She's gonna manipulate the situation to get the two brothers to do something that Saxon doesn't wanna do, but Lachlan may. And that's what's gonna have the repercussions where incest becomes a thing.
Jagger May:That might be goof, but I also don't wanna argue with it because, like, I've seen this show do crazy shit. So it's like like, to me, it's as good as a theory as anybody. But, yeah. I mean, I think you're right on the Saxon thing and Lachlan thing. Like, like, anything, it was really telling that Saxon is just weird because he's weird.
Jagger May:And Lachlan and, like and maybe that influenced Lachlan in a different way. I'm not a fucking psychologist. You know? But, like Like, I don't think Lachlan does
Alfredo Brown:this if he doesn't spend the day with Saxon on the boat. If if he's with his sister, if he's with Piper, they go back to the hotel and they're just chilling.
Jagger May:Yeah. That's what I meant. Yeah. Like, was it's almost like they're playing gay chicken, and, like, it's a joke for Saxon. And Saxon is And Lachlan, it looks like, fuck yeah.
Jagger May:It's finally happening. And then, like, kinda, like, goes into it. And it's and it kinda repaints the first episode when we see, like, Sax is just being a, like, a bro in a locker room. He's like, you know, like, I'll jerk it, jack it, and be naked. It's whatever.
Jagger May:We're all dudes. And then, you know, Lock is, like, like, checking his ass out on the way out is
Alfredo Brown:It adds a little more context to him saying, like, we've gotta get you laid and, like, how important and how invested he is into that. And maybe Locklan views it from a different angle. I don't I don't know. That's I think that'll be the last little thing I wanna drop on there.
Jagger May:Yeah. Okay. I wanna go back to the mom, though, on there and the dad on there because it's
Alfredo Brown:just Yeah. Victoria and Tim.
Jagger May:Victoria and Tim. Is she willfully yeah. Is she willfully? She knows. Because I mean
Matt Kopfhamer:She's ignoring all the red flags.
Alfredo Brown:Wives know everything, man.
Matt Kopfhamer:She purposely says, like, you're a good man. Like, she reassures him when he's, like, in the bathroom spiraling. You don't do that unless you know what really is happening. Like, great. I has to.
Jagger May:I I don't know.
Alfredo Brown:I think she knows to exist. Like, there's
Jagger May:there's She's had her sandwich.
Matt Kopfhamer:You know?
Alfredo Brown:For a guy who seems like he always believes he's so untouchable, like, you've gotta think. There's a phone call she's heard, an email that she's seen, a piece of mail that come come to the house, a person, a conversation she's overheard, like, there's no way that the wife's head is in the sand that much, and she was just kind of along for the ride. I don't think she knows to what degree it is. And I think she's just trying to extend the not all of Branch because she's not making peace with him, but just, like, extend to him that, like, I'm here for you. You can tell me the truth.
Alfredo Brown:You can tell me what's going on. And if she had known that he was seconds away from committing suicide in his Duke shirt, by the way, March Madness. Mhmm.
Jagger May:Well well. That. I was like a dad like a like, that's a classic dad shirt that he's gonna go out here.
Alfredo Brown:We have such a meme for Duke if they lose in the first round right now. Under the head with a Duke shirt.
Matt Kopfhamer:The whole Duke Nation just
Alfredo Brown:Oh. Sorry, Blue Devil Nation. Yeah. I I think she I think she knows to a certain extent, and I think she's trying to comfort Tim.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. Maybe. I mean, it's I just think she's it's classic, like, mob wife mentality. Right? Like, think it's mob wife mentality where you just you you know enough to be like, well, my husband's probably doing some shady shit, but she may not know the details.
Matt Kopfhamer:But she's also not not complicit. You know? Like when like when Piper says, you guys cheat on your taxes, and she's like, well, not enough to get thrown in prison. It's like, she makes a joke of it. But like, that's the type of shit he's into anyway.
Jagger May:I I mean, to me, I think she expects normal millionaire fuckery, like the taxes thing,
Alfredo Brown:like Yeah.
Jagger May:Other shit. But, like, as deep as he he's in, that's why he had his whole thing. It's like, do you understand the pressure? You know, my daddy was who you know, the the tits of of North Carolina or whatever. And now I need to Like, yeah.
Jagger May:Now I need to be the bee's knees. You know? So and I had to use some fuck shit to get there. I just think, like, she's stereotypical. I made it.
Jagger May:There's nothing it's the whole thing that we've talked about, about them being untouchable. She's like, I'm with untouchable people. My husband's untouchable. He's literally God. We'll be okay.
Jagger May:Pass me another lorazepam. You know? You're gonna drop out from society, Piper.
Alfredo Brown:Look at the Catholics. I'm not
Jagger May:hey. Real talk, though. I've never seen someone make correct points that I was like, she's low key cooking. This is off It's off for the wrong reasons, but she's right. Right.
Matt Kopfhamer:It's like if somebody that'd be like somebody posting something that's, like, profound, but it's on true social. It's like, well Yeah.
Jagger May:Does that mean the worst person you know said something you were
Alfredo Brown:you were really doing?
Matt Kopfhamer:You know, broken clock and all that.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. So my
Matt Kopfhamer:But then she immediately fucks it up by saying you're gonna live to you're gonna move to Taiwan. Like, come on. You're sitting in Thailand right now. That's weird. I can't get the name wrong.
Alfredo Brown:Sounds like shit. She's our new Tanya. She's our new Tanya where she kinda just, like Yeah. Plays the dumb role, but she's little bit smarter than think. I have a theory here with Tim, and I'm wondering because this season is all about religion and understanding it and spirit and finding yourself.
Alfredo Brown:Tim gets so close to ending his own life. They're going to the monastery in the next episode because Tim and Victoria are going with their daughter Piper to the monastery in the next episode. I wonder to what extent does he find some sort of religious enlightenment? I think initially my theory was always that he's just gonna wanna stay in Thailand to not have to go back home and deal with the consequences. But I almost wonder what else could come of it where he almost says, like, I have to go and, and and take my my penance, essentially.
Alfredo Brown:But the rest of my family should stay here where they're safe.
Jagger May:Tim needs to go find his little Asian girl inside in the market.
Alfredo Brown:It's inside him. Yeah.
Jagger May:Enlightenment that we're all trying to find here.
Matt Kopfhamer:It's everyone's journey now. It's been the real profound journey for the whole three seasons. Everyone needs to find their little Asian girl inside.
Alfredo Brown:No. Oh, god.
Jagger May:That I think that is because, like, what we're this was episode five. We got two more left.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Jagger May:Three yeah. No more than that. There's nine episodes. Right? Or is there always
Alfredo Brown:I'll check I'll check the schedule.
Jagger May:Either way, like
Alfredo Brown:We've got three more left. We've got six, seven, eight. Yeah.
Jagger May:Yeah. So, like, we're getting to that point where Tim's at that make or break point. So, like, the monastery is either gonna heal him or it's just I I feel like it's just gonna push him over the edge. You know? Like like, he's literally at that point that somebody can, you know, shout out
Matt Kopfhamer:to He still has the pills. Right?
Jagger May:Yeah. Let's just shout out to our Severance fam, you know, Chikai Bardo. He's gonna hear that, he's like, you know, that sounds pretty good for me. And then he's making himself a fucking death smoothie out of those seeds or whatever or whatever. So to to me, it's a huge episode coming up for Tim because like you said, Alfredo, he was that trigger would have been pulled if if, Victoria hadn't woken up at the right, yeah, at the right time.
Jagger May:So
Alfredo Brown:Right. Well, I'm gonna use this point or this time to make a point here because you mentioned our severance fam. And I just wanna remind everybody that we're not just talking about White Lotus. We're talking about a bunch of different shows here on UnBinge. So make sure you are subscribed to the YouTube channel.
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Alfredo Brown:I know it's an anthology, and I know that not everything's connected, but we gotta talk about each of these episodes, man. People are excited for that to come back. We also got Andor that we're gonna be discussing. There's so many cool shows on the way for us, so make sure you're subscribed here on YouTube or on the podcast. Now, guys, this next episode, like you said, Jack, should have a lot coming up.
Alfredo Brown:On the promo, it shows that we've got a lot of Greg slash Gary in the next episode. And the rising tension here with him talking to Fabian about Belinda. And, Jack, you and I were kind of on opposite ends of the spectrum here when it came to Fabian, where I think that he's actually horrible at his job and just trying to stay under the radar so he can just keep doing whatever he wants because his eyes are outside of the hotel, and he just doesn't wanna get caught. I think you you kinda said you saw him differently.
Jagger May:Yeah. And I think we're saying the same thing. I don't think he's good at his job, so I wanna put that out there. I think he like, I because I think the joke
Matt Kopfhamer:he to be.
Jagger May:Yes. That that exactly, Matt. Is that he is a complete suck up to where he is bad at his job. He is such a little weak spot. He's like, well, we don't wanna gossip about the guest.
Jagger May:You got fucking murderers there, dawg. Maybe you should. Yeah. Maybe you
Alfredo Brown:should gossip. Think he's just a don't make I think he's a don't make waves kinda dude.
Jagger May:He is. I can settle this.
Matt Kopfhamer:That's fucked. I can settle this.
Alfredo Brown:I think he's willing to be he's definitely a fuck. He's definitely a fuck. I think he's willing to be bad at his job as long as it doesn't make waves, because that's probably what he has been sort of trained to do by I
Jagger May:think we're saying the same thing.
Alfredo Brown:Seth? Okay. Okay.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like yeah. I I think it's the wording there because that's what I think too. It's just like he's not gonna do anything extra to even remotely come up on anyone's radar there. Like, he, like Well he basically wants to be keep that GM job.
Jagger May:I I looked online. Granted, this was like a random Instagram post. But, like, the average to stay there is, like, $50,000 a night for there. So, like, you gotta imagine he's making hella fucking money. He doesn't care.
Jagger May:He doesn't even care. He's like, yeah. He could kill you right now. I don't oops. I don't know.
Matt Kopfhamer:Though the the one the
Alfredo Brown:one Would you like it in acid?
Matt Kopfhamer:The one point oh my god. The one point against that though is he does seem to have some desire to be a performer. Like, he wants to get up on that stage
Alfredo Brown:at some
Matt Kopfhamer:point and write songs or sing. So I could see if he's little Asian girl. Alfredo. Exactly. So he definitely could be flying under the radar as the GM because he's biding his time to when he could finally break out as a star in his mind.
Jagger May:That's sad. I kinda hope That's I kinda hope
Alfredo Brown:That's kinda how I see it as, like, the LA people. That it's like, well, I'm an actor, but I'm just waiting tables right now until I get my big break. And that that that's kinda how it feels here. He's like, this pays the bills.
Matt Kopfhamer:And he just happened to go up the management ladder because he's white and and, you know, ineffectual.
Jagger May:Yeah. To me, he is a Damn. Flat.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Sorry. That was perfect. Yeah. You made him sound like a
Matt Kopfhamer:Am I wrong?
Jagger May:Commercial essentially. You made
Alfredo Brown:him say yeah. You made him sound like a flassy dick, honestly.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. He is kind of a flassipenous on the show. He is.
Alfredo Brown:Like I said This was a very horny episode.
Jagger May:Imagine the last two GMs. Like like a homegirl over in Italy, none of this shit would've went down. If she's if if someone's like, hey. I think he's a murderer. She's like, okay.
Jagger May:Let's get him out. Armand She would've
Matt Kopfhamer:had the gun herself. She wouldn't have given security.
Jagger May:Armand would've handled it the best, I think. Because, yeah, I think, Armand was a great manager. He just found the wrong one that
Matt Kopfhamer:just pushed
Jagger May:him away the fuck over the edge. Just the the worst customer of all time trying to get him fired on there. But, like like, Fabian just doesn't even care. He doesn't even I guess he tries to care about guy talk because he feels some type of kinship. He's like, you seem like a nervous little chihuahua that can shit the carpet at any moment.
Jagger May:You know? Here's an anteasant.
Alfredo Brown:I I think he sees a little bit of himself.
Matt Kopfhamer:Gun and an anteasant.
Alfredo Brown:The guy talk. What a combo.
Matt Kopfhamer:Nervous stomach?
Alfredo Brown:Guns and thumbs.
Jagger May:Put this the the new Pepto Bismol G go. Nervous stomach diarrhea. Fabian with a gun.
Alfredo Brown:Man. That's the TikTok clip. Write it down. So, like, do we think what's gonna be the thing that has to set Fabian over the edge to actually take action? Because if Belinda goes to you and brings all this circumstantial evidence, but something, a concern, like, she's also a White Lotus employee.
Alfredo Brown:She's not, like, just some crazy guest that you brush off.
Jagger May:But she's not
Alfredo Brown:his employee. Right. Right. But, like, what would it take to get him over that edge where he's actually giving a fuck about this?
Matt Kopfhamer:Probably a body.
Jagger May:The end of the show.
Matt Kopfhamer:Probably dead body in the lobby. Yeah.
Jagger May:Yeah. Right now
Matt Kopfhamer:And it's gonna take that much.
Jagger May:Yeah. Fabian's that dude right now who is watching a problem. He's like, oh, I hope it figures itself out. You know? And then, like, it just doesn't the principal.
Alfredo Brown:Jack's favorite. Yeah. He's the My favorite.
Matt Kopfhamer:He's the principal that sees all the red flags and the kids, like, ah, he's fine. We don't need to do anything about it.
Jagger May:Boys will be boys. Yeah. Exactly. Boys will be boys, and then and then what do we got? Whoops.
Jagger May:Yeah. Exactly. Like, a death in Thailand. You know? So that's
Matt Kopfhamer:We never saw it coming. Exactly.
Jagger May:So if if Fabian That's the last scene with Fabian talking to, like, a newspaper. He's like, oh, we never knew. We never saw it coming. You
Matt Kopfhamer:know? Yeah. Yeah. Tim Ratcliffe was a great man.
Alfredo Brown:I just need a whole episode of Jagger for doing that voice. It's so good. It's so good. Okay. So if if it's not gonna be Fabian, then I wonder if we get any type of action from we've all assumed guy talk this whole time.
Alfredo Brown:Homie doesn't have his gun, and he's honestly so ineffectual to the point that he can't even ask for it back. He's just like, I think you have something clear. That's missing
Matt Kopfhamer:I think I lost
Alfredo Brown:of mine, potentially, maybe. And Tim's like, don't what talking about and just walks. Yeah. Like
Matt Kopfhamer:Liability City. Yep. God.
Alfredo Brown:There's gotta be a better department for our our guy, guy talk. Like, there's just gotta be somewhere. Some
Jagger May:more surgeons.
Matt Kopfhamer:Stick them behind the counter.
Jagger May:Shadow Porchai. They they got the same vibe. They're both just, like, really nice peaceful dude. Because you're right. Because, like, I I told my fiance, I was like, you can't go to a guy like Tim Ratliff weak like that.
Jagger May:Even when he's on a crash out, you gave him a weak handshake, he's like, fuck this guy. He's like, he's like, I'm about to die, but I ain't gonna deal with I'm not gonna let you stop me.
Alfredo Brown:But I
Matt Kopfhamer:ain't gonna be a bitch.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. I'm not going down like this.
Jagger May:Exactly, dude. Because I was just like, when he came up all nervous like, I I just imagine Tim's one of those guys, like mean, he literally was gonna send Lachlan to posture camp.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Posture conversion camp?
Jagger May:You're gonna stand up straight when you kiss kiss girls, boy. Almost had a
Matt Kopfhamer:Freudian slip.
Alfredo Brown:Freudian slip. He did. Oh my god. So my my thing here is I almost wonder if now Pornchai becomes the guy that might be looking to take some sort of action because he does have a very obvious interest in Belinda. And there there's some traction.
Alfredo Brown:He could get protective. He could be he could be the one that almost, like, stands in front of the bullet to protect Belinda, and he's the body that we're seeing. Like, he's been kind of the guy in the shadows that we have not talked about for so many episodes, and he could, through the next few episodes, end up being one of the most that we talk about. Like, he's gonna meet Zion, Belinda's son, and probably have some conversations with him. And Zion's probably gonna have that, you know, mother son thing of, what are your intentions to my mom?
Alfredo Brown:I see you guys getting close kinda thing. And and we're gonna be rooting for Pornchai as the good guy, as as the knight in shining armor. And I I think it's still very realistic.
Jagger May:I think he's on I wanna call dad.
Matt Kopfhamer:Not even there. If there's a fire.
Jagger May:No. I I think Pornchai because they're doing feel like Belinda you you you talk about Victoria being the new Tanya. I see Belinda being the new Tanya here. Someone that you root for, you just want them to be happy. You want them to find their happiness.
Jagger May:And she's gonna find it, and they're gonna kill Porn Chai. I just feel like that this is the end all, be all for him on there. And Yep. And I don't think Belinda's gonna die, but I don't think she's gonna go home feeling all fresh and and and clean from a Thailand spiritual journey. You know?
Alfredo Brown:And this is the second time, by the way, that she's had a a run-in with a lizard, and it scared her. And so we've talked about what? Monkeys? Snakes? Snakes.
Alfredo Brown:Now lizards? There's just the reoccurring theme of the animals here. I still think the animals are going to be involved in the shootout somehow. I still go back to our our theory from last week. Interpol's showing up.
Alfredo Brown:Everyone thinks it's for them. Big shootout, multiple people, and there's gonna be some animals involved.
Jagger May:And we just and we kinda glazed over them, but but the the the white lady group over there
Alfredo Brown:I'm gonna use you to say we glossed over them, not glazed over them. Please, dear god. Sorry. Don't yuck our yum.
Jagger May:Donuts. God. I I'm pissed I learned that phrase, cough. Get the fuck out of here. But they're hanging out with anyone who's seen Game of Thrones, they're hanging out with a fucking Thinn, And and they're I'm sorry.
Jagger May:I guess they're drunk. But maybe, like, Jackie's too caught up in her hubris. Maybe oh, Carrie Coon. I can't think of her character name right now. Laurie.
Jagger May:Laurie. Laurie. Laurie. Laurie. Be cool again.
Jagger May:I don't wanna just be lawyer boss bitch.
Matt Kopfhamer:Let me talk about my ex husband. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. The moment that she did talk about her job though is when she just lost the interest of these other guys. Like, it's almost I think in that moment, she actually realized, like, ah, that part of me is not cool. Like, that part of me does not resonate with these dudes. I I have to go back to being party girl and just Yeah.
Jagger May:Woo, drink my beer, get back into it. All vibes. Exactly.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah.
Jagger May:And then you you got and then you got homegirl over here, old miss miss Texas down there, the only one who's sober the whole time who's actually seeing it for what it is. And I feel like she's going to be the one who is the Dave Chappelle's real world house where she's just like, what is going on? And everyone's like, fuck you. Get out of here, sober person who's actually seeing everything reasonable right now. Because I never thought I'd be rooting for her, but I'm like, I literally have felt like her.
Jagger May:I've hosted a house party where someone just like, and then my mother died when I was 12. And then they're like in this deep story and you're just like, I just need you to get the fuck off my couch, bro.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Get the fuck out of here. My time to go home was, like, thirty minutes ago.
Jagger May:Exactly. So it's like, you got all them. I'm counting them with the animals that are there. I mean, that's I don't I don't think we've ever seen a bigger pressure cooker yet on the show. Look.
Jagger May:We've seen, like, mini bombs everywhere where it's like, landmine is gonna go off? But this is like a clusterfuck of bombs in a smaller area. You know? It's I don't know.
Alfredo Brown:I almost wonder go, Kov. Go.
Matt Kopfhamer:Oh, sorry. I was gonna say, do we still think that the the three Russian friends are involved in the robbery at the hotel?
Jagger May:Yes. That's
Alfredo Brown:I'm not even %.
Matt Kopfhamer:Because clearly clearly, Big Vlad was the driver, and then Alexei was the dude with the the actual smash and grab. Because he was the short
Alfredo Brown:of Really quick. Let's I mean, let's talk about how bad security has been. How are you getting those guys in? They're not guests. Obviously, Valentin knows the way.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. I I'm but I'm saying, like, you still have a security guard there. You've got the cameras. Like, there's certain points of access where they shouldn't be able to get in, but Valentin really knows. They got It it seems very easy for them to get into.
Matt Kopfhamer:Now they got invited to the villa Okay.
Alfredo Brown:Which is Okay. Yeah. I guess they're like vampires. If you get invited, you can come in.
Matt Kopfhamer:But clearly, there's a way around security. There's no the ladies went to their villa first, and they the guys met them there. So clearly, there's a way around security that's very easy because we didn't see any signs of them being stopped or questioned or anything.
Alfredo Brown:Does that become their access key now to just keep coming into the hotel whenever they want?
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. Bingo. Imagine. Bingo? Bingo.
Matt Kopfhamer:Bingo.
Alfredo Brown:By the way, the the I can't believe I can't remember her name. No. I don't think any of us can. The the the Texas friend. Kate.
Jagger May:I know. She's Sam Rockwell's yeah. She's Sam Rockwell's life a wife in real life. Leslie Bibb. I knew that.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. And that's exactly what I was gonna say. Leslie Bibb. She's a well, she's a part I don't know if they're married, but they've together since 02/2007, which makes, like, the Iron Man movies that much better when he's trying to talk to her, and she's, like, zero interest. It's just it's just perfect.
Alfredo Brown:And the two of them being together in this episode. There's a thing
Jagger May:that So she's sitting
Alfredo Brown:in the
Matt Kopfhamer:corner while he's getting railed? Is that what's going on?
Alfredo Brown:Oh gosh. No. Let's move we're moving on. We're moving on. We're not yucking that yum anymore.
Matt Kopfhamer:Move fastly.
Alfredo Brown:Move fastly. There's this show is never short on on imagery, and this was like, I know that for Kate's character wanting these other guys to just leave, I wonder what her breaking point is gonna be where she might actually just leave the hotel. Like, She was the only one that while the other two were still in their club clothes, she went in, showered, changed into her pajamas, and was just sitting there, you know, kinda very protective. Right? And I think I wonder at what point she gets to, especially if she finds out that Jack that Jacqueline cheated on her husband with Valentin.
Alfredo Brown:Mhmm. Like, at what point is she just like, you know what? You guys are not the people that I grew up with. This is not right for me. I'm heading out of here.
Jagger May:That's what I
Alfredo Brown:was saying. I
Jagger May:yeah. I think yeah. The anti crash out, the crash in. We're
Alfredo Brown:Well, I I think I think that might be the dividing line between a lot of these characters of, like, who could potentially be very safe. It's it's the the the people that are willing to put ones. Yeah. It's it's the ones who are willing to say no Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:To to the the the the fruits of the flesh, I guess, whatever we wanna call it. Hedonism, sure. All that. It's the ones that are willing to put spirit over body, and I'll be interested in that.
Jagger May:I agree.
Alfredo Brown:So who's who's on that list then?
Jagger May:That's good. Who's on
Alfredo Brown:that list then? Is Piper?
Matt Kopfhamer:That's Piper
Jagger May:and Kate.
Alfredo Brown:It's Piper, Kate. Do we do we include Victoria in that?
Matt Kopfhamer:No. I was in Rick No. Because she's the director.
Jagger May:Chelsea. Okay.
Matt Kopfhamer:Oh, good point, Chelsea.
Jagger May:Yeah. Because Chelsea's trying to be good the whole time. Like, the only reason why that she even stayed at that party is because homie is buying a gun to kill his dad. The whole time she's like, don't do this. I look.
Jagger May:Even when she's drunk, she's like, I'm gonna check it on on my hubby. I think she's just a very good person at heart, but she's young. If I was that age, I am that age, I guess, or maybe older, I don't know how old people are anymore. I would do that now. If, you know, like, if I wasn't married and I'm just dating someone, like, okay.
Jagger May:You're not gonna answer me. I'm just gonna drink with these friends who've been nice with me. You know? Doesn't mean she's trying to bang up a fucking teenager. You know?
Alfredo Brown:True. I'm By the way, for those of you who are just joining us for the first time, when Jags says that Rick is off to go kill his dad, we've had the theory that this is not the man that actually killed Rick's dad. This is his dad. We're we're gonna get the Darth Vader twist. Right?
Alfredo Brown:Everyone's still on board gym?
Matt Kopfhamer:Yes. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. What do we think happens next episode? We've got the big Muay Thai fight. We've got Rick still in Bangkok with his little Asian girlfriend. Where are we at here, guys?
Alfredo Brown:Are we any closer to figuring out who's going to die?
Jagger May:No. I feel less sure because now it I've went from feeling it's one of these people to it's anybody. Everybody's at risk.
Alfredo Brown:That's really good writing. That's really good writing.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like, I genuinely
Matt Kopfhamer:think everybody be any character, and it wouldn't be surprising. It would be like, yep. Okay. I could see how it happens.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. They deserve that shit.
Jagger May:Yeah. Because, like, season one, I didn't even fucking know what the show was, so I can't even answer that. Season two, I felt pretty sure it was Tanya earlier than that at this point by now or her assistant. I felt like it was there. Like, it was at least a direction where the wind was blowing.
Jagger May:Now, like, felt like, well, Guy Talk's gonna die. Mook's gonna die. Now I'm just like, if you are in this show, I feel like you're in an unfortunate situation. Even a Australian helper lady for the Rat Lifts, it's just like, you know, I just want to sell phones.
Alfredo Brown:Pam. Pam.
Matt Kopfhamer:Poor Pam. Please don't let Pam die. That would be so sad. She's just trying to do her job.
Alfredo Brown:Pam's becoming a favorite, man.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah. She's great.
Alfredo Brown:Pam's a favorite of everybody. Well, boys, I think that's gonna do it for us on this one. Like I mentioned, we're gonna be back again next week talking about the remaining three episodes of White Lotus season three as they keep going on, and, we got a bunch of other shows we're talking about. Severance season two, we got the finale coming up for that. Daredevil born again.
Alfredo Brown:We've got what else? We have Black Mirror coming up as well. Season seven. We're gonna we're probably gonna do just a few of the biggest and best episodes from that, but definitely the USS Callister sequel that's coming up. So if you haven't seen that, go back and check out that episode from previous Black Mirror season.
Alfredo Brown:We got Andor, The Last of Us, so many other big shows coming up here for us this summer. As always, we wanna thank you guys for watching and listening all the way through. For myself, for Jagger, for Koff, we'll see you next time. Adios.
