On today's episode, we are giving you our breakdown review, and we're gonna explain the ending for Daredevil born again episode four. Guys, Matt Murdock, Wilson Fisk, they're both being pulled back into their true identities. I love this. We get the return of the Punisher, Frank Castle, and we get that ending with Muse. They're really setting something up big for the rest of the season.
Alfredo Brown:How could it connect to the current story we've got in daredevil born again? All that and more on a brand new episode of Unbinged. Starting now.
Matthew Kopfhamer:This is your spoiler warning for Daredevil born again. Honestly, we're gonna be talking about the comics, the show. We're gonna spoil everything, so be warned.
Alfredo Brown:Alright, Jack. I'm gonna go to you first because right now, you've been the one that's probably been the lowest on this show. So I wanna ask you, did this episode of Daredevil born again finally captivate or at least intrigue you?
Jagger May:My biggest complaint is that Matt Murdock hasn't been in the suit. He hasn't been Daredevil enough throughout this entire journey from Netflix to here now. And I will say, without a doubt, I think that was the best episode of Daredevil with just the Matt Murdock, not with him behind the cow, not with him out in the streets. I like you said, if I was captivated, I was locked in the entire time. Even where yeah.
Jagger May:Even where where Fisk is. I I guess for me, again, it was a patience thing. And I told you guys, I just don't have a lot of trust now. And right now, where they set this up to where it can go the next two episodes, like you said, we're getting two next week, I I feel like we're at a good spot where we have that that good setup now. And, Alfredo, to kick it back to you, I think Matt's finally at that point where you were at, where he's about to crash the fuck out behind that cow because he's finally feeling that pain.
Jagger May:And he went like, I guess I'll ask you the question. Do you think he went to go see Frank on purpose more? Because, like, he knows that the cops are doing it. What is Frank going to do? He's he knows Frank's not the one that that that killed White Tiger.
Jagger May:Do you think he went to him just so he could get that nudge to get that that fucking He want
Alfredo Brown:I I think what Frank what Frank said is very right, is you came to me for permission, not for anything else. But I do think that what Matt wanted was to sort of let the dog off the leash first and be like, okay. If Frank is gonna go out there, be the punisher again, maybe I don't have to do this, and he can take care of things for me. And then when Frank is like, I'm not doing your candy ass superhero bullshit, and he's just like a bunch of fucking fanboys, And he's like, okay. This isn't it.
Alfredo Brown:That's when Frank tells him. And, like, you're just looking for permission to go out and do your thing. You didn't get the revenge. You didn't get the solace you wanted for your friend, and that's what you need. That's what you want.
Alfredo Brown:And that this, like, this internal struggle with Matt, I'm hoping we don't have to keep doing it much longer. It doesn't seem like we will, but I love that scene. I love the time that we got to spend with Frank Castle. Having him injected back into this show gave it so much life. Gough, what do think?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Absolutely. That scene gave it gravitas because it's like, where's the Punisher been? What's he been up to while somebody or a group supposedly has been using his symbol to subvert what he's been working towards. So it's nice that we got to see him in the flesh, and we got some answers of like, okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So he clearly knows what's going on, but he's working on something bigger, obviously. And I liked when Matt, like you said, tried to get him, like, to get back in the game with that comment of, oh, you could be of service instead of hiding out. And he throws it back in his face of, like, yeah. So could you, Red. I love that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And making him
Alfredo Brown:So good.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Making him confront be like, yeah. Say your friend's name. Like, died. You did nothing. Say his name.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, that was so powerful. And to see Matt literally break down in tears and then, like, go over the edge and release some rage on Frank. And Frank's like, hey. I get it. Like, I hear my son's
Jagger May:Most honest thing he's done.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He's Holy shit. That part broke me as a viewer. Like, I was like, damn. This is where they really hit just the heart of who the Punisher is, who Matt Murdock is, and it just really made just like, okay. They know what they're doing with the show.
Jagger May:Do you know what this I almost think that the the Defender sucked. Let's get this out of the way. It's garbage. Terrible. But I think if they redid it all, everything would be better if they had the Defenders show where, like, we're not so much focused on Karen Page.
Jagger May:We all like Karen Page. She could still be a part of it, but it's just a little less focused on her. And but just because I just Frank and Matt and all these characters work so well together because we have the relationship of like, hey, dude. I get it. You you got look at my Pepe Silvia wall back here.
Jagger May:He's like, we all got demons. You know? Like like, I need you to deal with yours because I got my own shit going on over here. Whereas it's less just like Karen the whole time, like, why do you do what you do, man? Yeah.
Jagger May:You're gonna have that, but it's in a lot lesser doses. And we get a lot of the more of these moments between these characters, like, with Frank and and with Matt.
Alfredo Brown:Was was Frank in this interaction, was this the best part of this episode, or has it even been maybe the best part of the series?
Jagger May:Yes. Not even it's not even close for me. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's Second best was Fisk with Adam for me in this episode. I like that comment.
Jagger May:Bring that back. Thank you. Thank you, Koff, for bringing that back. Because it felt like both of these characters are getting the return to form. Because you saw the like, he fucked up bad.
Jagger May:And Fisk was like, okay. Thank you for having the courage and the balls to say it was Yes. And yeah. He's like, I get that. But it's kinda like, you're in the shit now, homie.
Jagger May:You know? And, like, and, like, his boss over there is looking at it. It's like, he's gonna fuck up again and not take this seriously enough and die.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mhmm. God. When he said it'll be the last thing you do, I was like, oh. Oh, okay.
Alfredo Brown:That's okay. That scene in particular was great because he didn't even try to mince words, and I love that what we did is that's almost the culmination of him saying, forget all this red tape. You see the frustration on him with every little project he wants to do. It's not as simple as I want to make the world better. And it it almost seems like whatever little spark of life that was in there for Wilson Fist to try to do things right, even though I don't think we ever believe that, is totally gone by the by the bureaucracy and red tape and all the other crap that gets in his way to now to the point.
Alfredo Brown:He's like, you know what? The only way for me to truly get results that I want is to be the man that I try not to be. And whether that's with Adam doing his thing where he's, like, sneaking in some extra carbs down there in the basement. He's looking looking like us getting midnight snacks like a raccoon eating over the sink. But, also, like, his whole thing with with, Daniel Daniel Blake.
Alfredo Brown:Right? Mhmm. He didn't mince words there. He didn't say it'll be the last thing you do in this office or the last thing you do with this job or the last thing you do in politics. It'll be the last thing you do.
Alfredo Brown:And his I wanna say is it his he's not campaign manager. Who who's the the woman that's in his office?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Lieutenant. I think lieutenant governor, I think, is her title.
Alfredo Brown:Either way. It's like the the sort of, like, right hand woman that that's in his Sheila. Yes. That's in the office. She totally understood it.
Alfredo Brown:Like, the the look on her face, she got it, and it was almost like I don't wanna say they weren't fazed, but it was almost expected of, like, we've known this is who this man is the whole time, and this was always on the table.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Well, it also brings back, like, earlier, she said, I was here before you and Fisk. I'll be here long after. And I think the end of that at the end of that scene with Daniel is when she realized like, oh, I am I am in the shit too by, like, by accident almost. And what I liked about that scene is Fist basically saw the bureaucracy, saw the red tape, and she was like, we have processes. We have to do all these steps first.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And he's like, well, no. Let's just be fascist about it and do whatever we want because it's for the greater good. And it's like, damn it. That is way too close to how real life is going right now. Too many people are trying to cut through too much.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And it's like, we kinda need those structures in place for a reason.
Alfredo Brown:Checks and balances, baby.
Jagger May:Yep. Mhmm. It's it's starting to feel like the wire in the sense. And, like, I've referenced this before where Frisk is that dude who has worked himself up from the corners all the way up to the literal kingpin. I mean, that literally figurative And now he's got where you wanna be as a criminal, where you're legitimate.
Jagger May:And now that you're here, it's uncomfortable. The rules are different. It's not the game that you're used to. And then, it it like you're you're constricted and you're bumping elbows every time you're trying to make a move, and it's seeping out. And I think it's gonna end up, you know, literally killing Daniel, Sheila, if not both, because he said, you know, you're gonna go down with this ship.
Jagger May:You know?
Alfredo Brown:I think something that this episode did really well, and it's gonna sound silly that it's probably my favorite part of the episode right up there with the Frank Castle thing. It's Fisk having to sit there and listen to We Built This City from the kids and then at the Latvian Center where I think it was just such a good way for them to, one, inject a little bit of humor, but mostly just an uncomfortable feeling. And I think that has been the force that has always drove us as an audience to like Wilson Fisk is how uncomfortable he makes us as an audience. And, like, I was actually sitting there as he's listening to these kids. Like, is he gonna lose his shit on a classroom of kids?
Alfredo Brown:Because you can't really come back from that. And I love the way he played it where they're like, okay. We got another song for you. He's like, no. No.
Alfredo Brown:No. No. That that was lovely. That was lovely. I have to come.
Alfredo Brown:And, I mean, just and then him walking up the stairs. So much talent. Dude, I just experienced I was telling you guys before this. I just experienced this last night. I went to a a kid's performance for for my little sister-in-law.
Alfredo Brown:And, oh my god, watching a bunch of, like, nine to 13 year olds sing and dance that really don't have the discernible talent to be doing that. That shit was rough. So I get it. I I've never related more to Wilson Fisk in my entire life. Just snacking on carbs in the middle of the night, hating bureaucracy, and not wanting to listen to kids sing.
Alfredo Brown:Wilson Fisk, you yeah. My spirit animal right now.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Gets us. He is us. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:And I think that's what this show has been needing, is a return to form, and we're getting there for both Matt Murdock and Wilson Fisk. And I almost asked myself, like, I don't think we necessarily need the Vanessa stuff to get him there to the return to form Because it seems like every
Jagger May:at all right now. Like, to be honest.
Alfredo Brown:Real talk. I actually think that and I still sit on this is that the whole thing of his relationship building up with Vanessa right now is because she's going to die. And I think that that happens this season, and I would not be surprised if it's accidentally by his hand or perhaps even by Muse.
Matthew Kopfhamer:On purpose. I think it's gonna be on purpose by Fisk because she's gonna betray him. Okay. And that's why they keep building up all these scenes of trust and loyalty and courage. They brought it up in the the therapy session where she he betrayed her and she betrayed him and who blames who.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And I think he is clearly drawing a line in the sand and she's gonna continue to cross it, especially if she finds out or when she finds out what happened to Adam. And I think that's gonna be what caused her to turn on him, and then he's gonna be forced to probably kill her with his own hands.
Jagger May:I wanna talk I I know we gotta talk about some serious shit about his marriage. I will say I like his form of self care and therapy that we hinted at. Homies, he's got a bad room. He's like, alright. Up there, I'm drinking, you know, juice in the morning.
Jagger May:I'm I I mean, I'm on the keto diet. Yeah. I'm on the keto diet. Down here, we're eating rigatoni, Italian sausage. We're beating the fuck out of my wife's ex.
Jagger May:Like, that's just
Alfredo Brown:That's that's like the p 90 x that you subscribe to.
Jagger May:That's dude. He's like, I'm gonna carve up. And then he's like, we work at that. We work at the bag tonight, buddy. To make it serious again, one detail I did like about Vanessa is she brings up Adam's hands.
Jagger May:You know? He's like, he's an artist. And then you got Fisk over there with with him not
Alfredo Brown:Making his own art.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:And and that that's and and like that, there's so many parallels to that. It's not just that he's making his own art. But even down there in that room, you see the original painting that he has. There's the bloodstained stuff from, like, his fight with with with, Daredevil back in season three. And then, honestly, there's even the parallel too to Muse, who sees murder as art and uses the blood of his victims for art.
Alfredo Brown:Like, there's a there's a little bit of that just sort of seeping through through all the different characters. So I think there's gonna be a strong connection
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yep. Yeah. I wonder
Jagger May:if Vanessa would be into Muse. She's gonna find out, maybe.
Alfredo Brown:I don't know. She's gonna find out.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Alright. Oh. We're gonna keep is Muse.
Jagger May:Is I was about to say We already know. Would he try to sell some art? And then she's like, oh, it's beautiful. It reminds me of an artist that I don't know. God.
Jagger May:So this I I and
Alfredo Brown:I have a question. And I wanna answer
Matthew Kopfhamer:that question. An original Hitler in her in her back room somewhere. She's into some weird shit
Alfredo Brown:like that. That's a really good reference.
Jagger May:It is a good reference.
Alfredo Brown:Good
Matthew Kopfhamer:reference. She got the German Shepherd painting.
Alfredo Brown:If you don't know what that is, Google it. We're just gonna leave you intrigued. I do have a question about Muse, and I'm gonna ask that question right after this because I just wanna remind everybody, you've got a bunch of ways that you can enjoy our show on Binged. The first is right here on YouTube. So if you're watching this, please take a moment to give this video a like.
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Alfredo Brown:So every review you leave is a big help to us. Now, guys, my question here about Muse, because we don't know much about this character except for the fact that he just simply kills, thinks it's art. It's going to lend a nice, dark psychological thriller aspect to this. Why does he reach out, the character, why does he reach out to Matt's psychologist girlfriend, who I'm blanking on the name right now?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Heather Glenn.
Alfredo Brown:Plot. Oh. But but plot device assume
Matthew Kopfhamer:Heather Glenn.
Alfredo Brown:Doctor Heather Glenn. Correct. Why is he reaching out to her? Is that something where he's trying to stop himself? Is he maybe putting her as a next potential victim because that's something that's tantalizing to him?
Alfredo Brown:I still keep looking back to that because that's been our only introduction to him as a character, not in the muse outfit.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm I'm of two minds of it. Either one, he has some sort of the psychological condition they're gonna give him. He understands what he's doing is wrong, and he wants to stop. He wants help. But a part of him is, you know, still psychotic, and he kills people.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Or two, he is somehow targeting her because she's a famous, almost celebrity psychologist at this point or psychiatrist. So maybe it's a way for him to get in. You know, they kinda played with that with the the Hannibal series where that one serial killer targeted Hannibal because he was famous. So maybe that's one of two one of those two routes with him. I would prefer maybe the first one where he is truly trying to get help and it's almost like he's too far broken to actually be redeemed.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'd rather that route, personally.
Jagger May:Yeah. That's what that's what I'm hoping for. And that's what I took initially. It's just like, yeah, I'm weird as fuck, you know, and I've you seem to be the best at helping us. You know?
Jagger May:I'm I'm gonna reach out and hopefully fix this. And I don't think he's doing a very good job, boys.
Alfredo Brown:And I I wonder because I I wonder
Matthew Kopfhamer:Take over.
Alfredo Brown:I I wonder how much guilt could potentially take over doctor Heather Glenn, and it becomes a thing where she ends up kind of in the daredevil shoes for a little bit where she feels some guilt here. Because right now, our current client list is Wilson Fisk and Vanessa. And then we haven't seen this, but it could potentially be that the character of of Muse, whatever his real identity is, has already been seeing her. We just don't know that because we're getting bits and pieces and and snippets of this where either, a, she missed out on doing the appointment with him and never got back to him, and he was just like, alright. I'm a start cutting people up and doing finger paints.
Alfredo Brown:Or he actually is visiting with her, and it's just not helping. Sorry. Yeah. Finger paints was a was a little little dark. But that's what he's doing, man.
Alfredo Brown:I'm not gonna apologize for that, actually. Never mind.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I was surprised his victim was alive at the end. That's what surprised me. Because I thought he was carrying a dead body in the beginning, and then we find out, no, his his victim was very much alive when he was taking that blood from him.
Jagger May:Yeah. Because I wonder what's actually going to be Fisk's breaking point. Because breaking point to where he can be a corrupt mayor instead of an honest one, that's that's a given. Even normal mayors do that all the time. You know?
Jagger May:But, I mean, to where he actually goes, you know, off the rails where, like like, again, we're talking across the or, excuse me, into the Spider Verse where he's screaming about Vanessa type deal. I think Muse and Vanessa kinda meeting somehow would make sense. I just don't know what they're doing with Vanessa. You know? Like, I just meet
Alfredo Brown:There has to be a big payoff. There just there has to be a big payoff for her to be so involved here. That's why I keep leaning into the thing that I think she's going to die. Koff, I really like your theory that it could potentially be at Fisk's hands.
Jagger May:Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:But I don't I still wanna know what is the thing that's going to set him off. Like, what else could she possibly do? Unless she finds Adam and she basically threatens to I I don't know. Like, I I don't think she's she's dumb enough to do that, though, and, like, blow the whistle on him. I I I almost wonder
Jagger May:if she basement. Like, what happens if she finds her basement?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Or she could pull a cooch arm. She could take his operation from underneath him. Because that's kinda what they've been angling at this whole season, where she is like, I'm a different woman than when you left. And I'm in charge now. And these peep you know, there's a different way that I manage.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I could very much see her pulling, like, a trying to pull the rug from underneath him, and then he's, you know, he's kingpin, so it's not gonna work.
Jagger May:I think they're dumb not to just, like, let her run the the dirty and him do the the the the other stuff. That's what I would do. But
Alfredo Brown:How dark do we think she's gone? Think she's be here, Wade. What if Muse is one of her guys? Ew. What I'm I'm saying not what if what if Muse is, like, her secret henchmen?
Alfredo Brown:Because wouldn't it make sense that a former art dealer is yeah. Like, what if what it wouldn't it make sense that a former art dealer like her is initially captivated or intrigued by a killer that turns his victims into art? Like, the connections he's had
Jagger May:in day. He's her bull's eye. You know? Like, so you think she was kinda learning for Fisk. Yeah.
Jagger May:You know? So he's just like, oh, wow. He he found a psychopath and then used him
Alfredo Brown:for living.
Jagger May:Yeah. That that makes a lot of sense. Because, like, I was about to say that maybe Vanessa gets paranoid because she asked that question, am I safe with you? You know? And then she finds that basement, maybe a pasta dish that's dirty, gets, like, suspicious
Alfredo Brown:or something like And gets he gets undone. Trash. He gets undone by, like, an Olive Garden breadstick bag. Yeah. What
Jagger May:happened to the diet, Wilson? Yeah. She fight she finds his bad
Alfredo Brown:When I was a boy, they had unlimited breadsticks and soup.
Jagger May:We were family. My father took us to endless shrimp and pasta at the Red Lobster. I wanna fix the economy, Vanessa, so we can have unlimited shrimp again.
Alfredo Brown:Cinnervay biscuits for all.
Jagger May:What's he getting?
Alfredo Brown:Write it down. Twenty twenty three minute mark. That's your TikTok clip.
Jagger May:Oh, man. I'm lucky.
Alfredo Brown:God damn Kingpin has become the most relatable character in this show. I'm telling you.
Jagger May:He just wants to bring back fast casual dining. Damn it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I bring back the middle
Jagger May:class. Have you seen the price of the big double, Vanessa?
Alfredo Brown:What happens on the
Matthew Kopfhamer:dollar menu?
Jagger May:Oh,
Matthew Kopfhamer:man. Honestly need to do
Jagger May:we need to just do a whole episode on that. Kingpin's effect on the middle
Alfredo Brown:class casual dining.
Jagger May:Oh, man. Okay. So I I mean, I'm hoping that
Alfredo Brown:we get a payoff here with Vanessa, and I and I
Jagger May:think it it will be something bigger than just pasta.
Alfredo Brown:I think that'd be that'd be a cool tie in for me, for Muse, because I think it's it's so much better than just, like, there's the generic psychological thriller of he enjoys murdering and Daredevil doesn't, and how, like, how many times can we get that same story about Daredevil toeing the line of killing people? I want something that kinda mixes in a bunch of different characters, like, almost to the point where I think it'd be kinda cool for Kingpin and Daredevil to have to try to stop Muse, and each of them have, like, aligning
Jagger May:Vanessa becomes the villain between both of them? Yeah. Because back we got we got lost in the sauce literally with the pasta, but, like, I I generally think that Vanessa gets paranoid, starts making moves, not use someone like Muse against Fisk and everyone else. And, like, maybe, you know, Muse gets out of hand, and I I think there's more than one reason why Matt wants to get in the fight and can get in the fray. We don't need to to speculate that.
Jagger May:But I definitely could see a team up here. It's kinda like the parallel we saw at the beginning, where he's just like, hey, man. Remember when we used to say fuck you all the time? Well, fuck you. And he's like, oh, no.
Jagger May:We're different men now. But and they are, but they're not.
Alfredo Brown:I do genuinely think, like, they they've been giving us they've been giving us the the the breadcrumbs for the season since the beginning. The beginning. Where these two these two are going to have to coexist if they actually want their city to be better, and now they actually have someone. It's not the Punisher taking out gangs. It's not Bullseye who's who's working for Fisk.
Alfredo Brown:It is someone who is actually a legitimate threat to people and to the city, and he is a masked vigilante, which Fisk does not like. He is a murderer, which Daredevil does not like. And I think there's actually a legitimate reason here for that. I don't I don't know. Just just theories, speculation, fun.
Alfredo Brown:The other thing that I'm curious to see where we go is we talked about this a little bit in the last episode, and I I kinda wish they had done more to expand on this, but I'm sure they will at some point. White Tiger Amulet. Like, the White Tiger story just Angie, let's gonna get was gone. Angela's going to get it, but right now, like, it's it's in custody. And it's there was nothing where it got in the wrong hands.
Alfredo Brown:There was we we really didn't hear anything else about it. Who did it? How I'm glad they why.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm glad they still gave us an answer, though, because I felt like that was a big missing piece of just they dropped the body and left it there. So I'm glad that we got to see right at the beginning of the episode, they answer that burning at least for me, of where's the amulet, who has the amulet. Because there was a part of me after last week, and I didn't bring up on the podcast, because I didn't think about until afterwards. But I was like, oh, shit. Are they gonna have Muse somehow find the body and get the amulet?
Matthew Kopfhamer:And now we got a super powered psychopath. But so I'm glad we didn't get that because I think that would have been a really messy story. How would Muse get it
Jagger May:at this point, I guess? It was like, let's Now
Matthew Kopfhamer:I don't think that's gonna happen. Yeah. Right. But if they had left it, like, on the street, it could have been like, oh, he's just wandering by. And it's like, what's this?
Matthew Kopfhamer:And all of a sudden, he's got the white tiger power. So I'm glad they're not doing that.
Alfredo Brown:See, what what I would have
Matthew Kopfhamer:been intrigued Angela get it by the end of the season. She'll probably team up with Matt at some point.
Alfredo Brown:So what I I I have an intriguing thing and a disappointing thing about it is because, one, didn't Hector Ayala and Matt Murdock both mention that the amulet gave him enhanced speed, strength, all that.
Jagger May:Told everybody.
Matthew Kopfhamer:In the trial, it's public knowledge.
Alfredo Brown:And so, like, there's not a single with how many corrupt cops there are, like, there's not a single person that's like, hey. That that shit's kinda cool. I'll I'll take that. Like, whatever. He just didn't have it on him that night.
Alfredo Brown:Even the killer who did it didn't do it. I mean, I I think we could have even had, like, a fun thing where it just gets into the wrong hands. The same way that Matt does his whole, like, super hearing when he drops his bottle and finds the the bullet casing. Like, it's ever don't wanna complain too much, but ever so conveniently. I think that could have been a cool thing
Jagger May:too.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Where's your gloves, Matt? Where's the gloves? Like, you're a lawyer. You should know better.
Alfredo Brown:Chain of evidence, bro.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Your DNA yeah. Getting your DNA all over that casing.
Jagger May:I I will say, all that shit aside, I'm no expert. I'm no, you know, CSI guru or some shit, but I have watched a lot of Netflix documentaries and news. I % believe that a cop with a punisher tattoo would fuck up and mishandle evidence or just plain miss it. Like, I like, if if you really think about it, that's probably one of
Jagger May:the more realistic
Jagger May:things on this show where a cop would maybe just kill someone, just walk off, not even thinking about the cool shit or the endgame or or even four steps ahead. So Well Sorry. Not sorry
Matthew Kopfhamer:to whoever
Jagger May:that alienates.
Alfredo Brown:But But
Matthew Kopfhamer:if you're using bullets with a Punisher logo on the casing, you want that shit to get found. Like, that's a that's a message in and out.
Alfredo Brown:Well, yeah. Because because then people think it's the Punisher.
Jagger May:Yeah. Do you think they're thinking about the role of the casing? Again, you heard my whole speech here, Matt. I'm sure they had a plan. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Very frank.
Alfredo Brown:This is There's there's an interesting line that they're kind of playing with here where these cops are so the hubris for them has gotten to a point where, at least in this show, obviously, I'm not trying to comment on real life, but, like, they've got the Punisher tattoos on their neck. Like, you're at this point, you're not even hiding it. You're not even doing a good job of setting up Punisher. It it just it seems odd. It's it that's, like, my only small complaint about it is I I do wanna see what this turns into because I know that Punish Frank Castle was kinda like, oh, fucking fanboys.
Alfredo Brown:Right? I I wanna know what that's gonna lead into. Is that gonna are we gonna have two different stories? One where it's Frank versus the cops, essentially, again. And then is it Daredevil and Fisk versus Muse and Vanessa?
Alfredo Brown:Like, where could we be going with all this? And I'm I'm very I'm actually I'm the most intrigued I have been by this show all throughout this season. And, Jack, I agree with you. I think this was the the best episode of this season and probably best episode in a while. Yep.
Alfredo Brown:Well, guys, last thing on here. There was a very, I think, moving and impassioned speech that we got from sort of like a side character that came out of nowhere, Leroy Bradford. I I have my thoughts on the scene itself. There was a few things that sort of felt jammed into this, and that was one of them. But I will say that the acting job by this actor, the speech itself, everything that was involved in it was great.
Alfredo Brown:I'm just not sure how it actually fit into everything. I think it was just meant to be the juxtaposition of Matt's law side of of his life dealing with all the red tape that's there while Fisk is dealing with the red tape of his mayoral life. Yeah. And I I get that. It it felt slightly jammed in there just a little too much despite that that scene, that speech going really well.
Alfredo Brown:And and then, you know, they they do a a scroll reference in there really quick, which from my understanding, a lot of people thought he said squirrel, which is hilarious. May
Jagger May:maybe maybe the cop scene felt jammed in of what actually happened because, like, I think they might been able to tell what happened there without showing it. And that's a rare case where maybe you should just tell me, you know, like, all I stole was this and here's why. You know, it's just like, would you steal a loaf of bread to fill your to feed your family type thing. That's all this was, and they could have done it. Because I think the speech was it's exactly like you said.
Jagger May:He's like, man, this shit ain't gonna work the way I want it to with this alone. You know? And and it's just
Matthew Kopfhamer:it down. Boiled down the system's broken. Like, that's that's what this is really pointing out.
Alfredo Brown:When he when he when he caps that off by saying they're willing to spend five times as much to incarcerate me than they are to feed me?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Then to feed me. Yeah. System's broken. It's just meant to show like, Matt felt like he got a win when he, you know, almost used his flirtatious, you know, interaction with the the the clerk, and get his time reduced to ten days.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's like, yeah, that's a win because she wanted 35. But in his perspective, it's like, no, man. Like, this is still another system or this is still another symptom of the system being broken, and it's not gonna get fixed by, you know, these little, you know, victories. It's gotta be something bigger. There's gotta be something system changing, and it's just another way to show Matt the law isn't gonna be the end all be all solution that you want it to be.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And sometimes you have to take things in your own hands.
Alfredo Brown:And that's it, Koff. And that's exactly it because even Frank Castle oh, your precious system. Right? And it it just I think all this was meant to do is to show him that he needs to go beyond the half measures that he's been doing and that he has a greater responsibility. Like, little Spider Man here with great power comes great responsibility.
Alfredo Brown:He's got a greater responsibility than just being a lawyer at this point for what New York needs from him. And I think you know what? And I'll take it back. Like, that was it's it may have felt a little jammed in from the the crime aspect of it of how it happened, but the end result was very necessary because I think it it pushes our character over the edge to opening up that closet and seeing all of the many daredevil masks he's got there. He's back on the roof practicing, getting ready because I I think he's ready to be back.
Alfredo Brown:I think we're going to get Matt in the daredevil outfit next episode because next week, we're getting two episodes. Episodes five and six are releasing together. So that tells me that we're going to get a nice story arc with him in the daredevil outfit.
Matthew Kopfhamer:We Crack
Jagger May:them to I feel like feel like we'd be doing everyone a disservice without bringing this up. Where are we at on The Secret Life of Foggy Nelson at this point? Or where how do we think that might fit in? Do we think that's still a theory that lives strong?
Alfredo Brown:I I would have said
Matthew Kopfhamer:definitely a possibility, especially with how the confrontation with Frank went, because I don't think Matt said Foggy's name. He still didn't say his name by the end of that scene. So I think that could be foreshadowing that Foggy's not dead a %. I don't know.
Alfredo Brown:I I think I normally would have said, no. Like, Foggy's Foggy's done. I think this episode specifically, them referencing secret invasion with the Skrulls, and that's a connection to Nick Fury, who Nick Fury has also had a moment where we all thought he was dead, and he was able to stop his own heart. And, honestly, I would have thought it might be too much first for a story like this, maybe the previous daredevil iterations. But this the pacing is faster.
Alfredo Brown:They're able to intertwine more stories. I don't think it's going to be something big where we're going to have him come back and be around for a couple of episodes. I think it's gonna be like a last episode thing where he's going to find out on the very last episode, and that's gonna be your teaser going into season two. It's good. Just like Severance.
Alfredo Brown:He's alive. And then just boom.
Jagger May:That's important.
Alfredo Brown:That's that's what we're getting. Spoilers, by the way, for Severance, everybody. Season one. Yeah. Alright, boys.
Alfredo Brown:Well, I think this does it for us here. It's gonna be a wrap on this show. But next week, we got two episodes of Daredevil, like I mentioned. Episodes five and six coming out together. Should be a good character arc.
Alfredo Brown:Should be something cool. And, like I mentioned before, we're not only watching Daredevil, but we're watching Severance season two, The White Lotus season three. We're gonna be checking out Black Mirror season seven, a few of the top episodes from that, Last of Us season two and or season two. So many great things coming your way. So make sure that you are subscribed to UnBinged here on YouTube or Apple or Spotify wherever you get your podcasts.
Alfredo Brown:And as always, just wanna thank everybody for watching or listening all the way through for myself, for Jagger, for Koff. We'll see you next time. Adios. Like, fun, man. I'm so mad we missed this on the recording.
Alfredo Brown:I wish everyone was here. Guys, Latvia and Latveria, not the same country. Just thought everyone should know.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That shit on purpose just to trip us up. They're like, these idiots won't look it up before they record.
Alfredo Brown:Good old Kristaps Porzingis and Victor Von Doom.
Jagger May:Shit ended my credibility because I'm
Jagger May:I was so dug in, locked in
Jagger May:as a kid. I thought Latveria was real. Do Do you ever go
Matthew Kopfhamer:to Universal Studios?
Alfredo Brown:And maybe
Matthew Kopfhamer:the right.
Alfredo Brown:The Olympic basketball team there is nuts.
Jagger May:If you guys are out there, Sokovia, not
Jagger May:a real place. It's not a real place.
Alfredo Brown:The joke's gonna be on you the
Jagger May:next Olympics. Fix it. Jesus. Alright.
Jagger May:Lagos is real,
Jagger May:though, guys.
Alfredo Brown:Just Yes. I don't
Jagger May:wanna put that up. Lagos is real. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, we needed that. I needed that right before this episode. Alright. Let's do it.
