On today's show, we're discussing our theories for Severed season two episode 10, the big finale. Guys, we're gonna answer some of the biggest questions here. Like, does Gemma actually know that that is the severed version of Mark that we saw at the end? What's gonna be next for Mark and Helly with that really climactic ending there? Everything going on inside the Lumen walls with Milchick, Dylan g, Mauer.
Alfredo Brown:There's so many employees in there that we're just kinda left here hanging for the next season. Hopefully, it's not gonna be too long. And what can happen with everyone that is now side of Lumen? We're gonna talk about all that and so much more on an all new episode of Unvenged. Get started.
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Alfredo Brown:Alright, guys. I gotta ask because the the streets are talking. Everyone's asking. Everyone's not sure. Lots of answers, strong opinions, both sides.
Alfredo Brown:Does Gemma know that that is an any slash severed version of Mark that has basically denied her? Because she has been told by Mauer, your husband has moved on. And this Audi version of Gemma has only ever seen the Mark that we saw before. She saw Audi Mark, and then she sees this severed Mark, and she does not know. So, cough, where are you at with this?
Matthew Kopfhamer:I think she intuits it because they have the entire trip from the elevator to the exit stairwell that she's running and and, yeah, they're panicked and it's fast, but I think she can tell that that's not her mark. And while it wasn't verbalized, I think she realizes especially when she sees him turn towards Helly. Like, she's like, oh, that's not that's not my mark. Because her mark would have come with her immediately. No questions asked.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And especially when you when the last thing he says to her is like, you go on. Like, you leave. Not we'll leave together. Like, you go.
Alfredo Brown:But would she know? Would she even know that he's an employee there? Like, for all for all she knows, he just showed up as a hero to save the day, and he's not severed. Because she wouldn't even know that he's severed in the first place.
Jagger May:I think we're underestimating time. She's been in there for two years at this point now. She would have to know that Mark has to have some level of clearance being an employee. Like, she knows that they're
Alfredo Brown:gonna But does she know that he's an employee?
Jagger May:How else would he get in there?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right. Okay. Were kissing. I don't even know now.
Alfredo Brown:So she went from kissing to now being on the other side of a door from her husband and thinking
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right.
Alfredo Brown:Damn, like, what what is going I I don't know. It it leaves it open.
Jagger May:I get my point I'm saying is, do you really think an intellectual scholar like Gemma would be in a place for two years and think that the only conclusion is that Mark has abandoned her, got her out, and then he's going to, what, run into the building to live with the person that he loves, and they're just gonna frolic around and live forever. It goes back to, like, another point we're gonna make is what what are Helly and Mark gonna do? What is their endgame on there? So, like, maybe that initial feeling is that Jim is like, he's abandoning me. But, like, to me, it only takes a rational person ten minutes of thinking that there must be something else going on, and he must have done something to get in there.
Jagger May:But
Alfredo Brown:she doesn't know that that girl behind him, Helly, was severed. She doesn't know that their employee's there. Like, I'm still willing to leave this a little more open because she doesn't know who those people are. That version of Mark and Helly could simply just be leaving and abandoning her in a different direction. Like, I I'm still wanting to leave that open.
Alfredo Brown:I do think Gemma is smart enough to figure it out, and first thing that she's going to do is go and see Devin and Rick and and the family members that she does know, and they are going to explain everything. And I'm sure that's probably something we get in episode one or two. But I think the initial shock of this is her thinking her husband doesn't care about her anymore. Cares about her enough to to set her free, but essentially not be with her. Maybe he's off to go save someone else.
Alfredo Brown:I I I think everything that you're saying holds a lot of merit, though, Jack.
Jagger May:Yeah. I'd like I I guess to me, it's just I'm having a hard time thinking. Like, I I just think we're I have a hard time thinking that Jimbo is gonna spend spend a lot of time thinking that Mark abandoned her.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Probably not
Alfredo Brown:a lot.
Jagger May:Because in
Alfredo Brown:Not a lot,
Jagger May:but in
Alfredo Brown:that moment, though. In that moment is where the heartbreak felt real.
Jagger May:Yeah. And I'm not Yeah. Initially fair, guys. I'm not trying to I'm not yeah. Like like you said, Koff initially, I'm not trying to under or downplay the heartache or that she felt nothing, and then she's just gonna be like, alright.
Jagger May:Let's go season three. Let's get Mark out. Even though that's kinda what they're setting up. Like, yeah, she had some heartbreak, but I I don't think that the big question that we need to be lingering on is is Mark or does she know if Mark isn't in here or not? I just think that's a waste of our time in brain space to be really thinking about that too long.
Alfredo Brown:I mean, I think it's worth it to ask this about the character. I mean, a lot of people have been asking this and discussing it. So, okay, if Gemma is there on the stairwell, this might seem like another throwaway question. Does she get out? Is she actually getting out of Lumen and and getting off the premises, or is someone getting her?
Alfredo Brown:They're already in this state of emergency. I don't know what kind of security they have outside of Drummond. It seems like not a lot. Not a lot. They do not have good
Jagger May:plan for
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. They spend their budget on a hundred person, like, marching band and, like, animatronic gears instead of security. Like, what are we doing?
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. How fucked is that?
Matthew Kopfhamer:What do we still
Alfredo Brown:need to It's fan practice every day.
Jagger May:I saw someone who was upset about that. I was a band kid. That sounds fucking amazing. I'm not gonna lie, Doug. Like, I loved bands so much.
Jagger May:Was like thing? Dude, that's your job. I guess if that's your life Choreography and merriment, baby. Yeah. But, like, if you're going to work and you're just, like, in your job as band practice, that'd be dope to me.
Jagger May:But, again, I was a band nerd, guys. Like, I played the tuba in high school. So it's just like Ew. I was way into it. Don't say ew.
Jagger May:Alright? Ew. I was like, played more than just the tuba that no one else could play the tuba. Did you get the fuck out
Matthew Kopfhamer:of me? Did you ever
Jagger May:follow did you ever follow a
Alfredo Brown:You were the fattened utility kid, man.
Jagger May:That's not cool. Exactly. I was actually a fantastic musician. I won the John Philip Sousa Awards. Get fucked.
Alfredo Brown:I'm afraid of Me too. What's up, man?
Jagger May:High five. Trumpet. Anyway, nerdy stuff aside, I do think she could get out. Because like you said, even on the way in, they got that one dude, like, from Men in Black that's just kinda sitting
Alfredo Brown:there doing crosswalkers. He's
Jagger May:hanging out.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He's but he's only at the elevator. He's only at the elevator.
Jagger May:Exactly. On the way
Matthew Kopfhamer:and that's the stairwell's, like, unguarded. Yeah. The stairwell's, like, completely unguarded.
Jagger May:I I
Alfredo Brown:love that their security is essentially Stanley Hudson doing a Sudoku every day as he walked in. Like
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, so so what
Jagger May:you're saying is the day
Matthew Kopfhamer:that Helly hung herself is pretzel day because he was not at his post.
Jagger May:Probably. Probably. The the most security they had was, like, episode two when we see them all going down, and he had to look up for him sudoku to make sure Yep. That everyone kinda went down on time. That that's about it.
Alfredo Brown:This is by the way, just wanna say that August 8 is officially pretzel day.
Jagger May:Okay.
Alfredo Brown:If you've ever wondered because of the eights. Yeah. Yeah. Noted.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So so two seasons, we've had two security guards, mister Draynor, Doug Draynor, and
Alfredo Brown:Draynor.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mister Drummond, Draynor, and Drummond. And both seasons, they've been offed. So is this gonna be like a Harry Potter and, like, offed? Like, Harry
Alfredo Brown:Potter the dark arts teacher? Every
Jagger May:season, the the security guard dies. And I'm curious to see if I'm curious if Drummond was even like, maybe Grainer was, like, underneath Drummond because Drummond was just the severance for their like or excuse me. Grainer was just the severance for Drummond seems like like HNIC operation. Security of their and, like, because they keep such a tight lid on there, they're like, alright. We don't need to promote someone else.
Jagger May:Drummond, you you know, you gotta you gotta you wanna
Matthew Kopfhamer:get your
Jagger May:steps in, dog. You know? It's just like
Alfredo Brown:Hey. By the way, we were talking about this with Drummond. We weren't sure who would win in a fight between Milchick and Drummond. I think all of us said Milchick. I still
Jagger May:Milchick. Milchick. Still think Milchick.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Dude, Milchick is kicking out
Jagger May:in the vending machine. He did the spiral when he that 40. No. He hit the spiral. Yeah.
Jagger May:I was just saying,
Matthew Kopfhamer:he looked like a goddamn, like, predator when he, like, came out.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then facing off 200
Alfredo Brown:Just clarify predator the movie, not anything else.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, yes. Yeah. No.
Alfredo Brown:Okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like yeah. Not a sexual predator. That's The
Alfredo Brown:conversion of speed to power with milkshake, the dance moves, all of that?
Jagger May:Bro. Like, that box
Matthew Kopfhamer:drum Bro, you know.
Jagger May:40 incher. That's a 40 incher for sure. Wanna talk about a
Alfredo Brown:band nerd. Beat. Drumming guy is ass beat by Gwendolyn Griggren. Man of fucking Tarth was out here, man, defending her goats. I was so proud.
Alfredo Brown:That was I was telling Koff before we started recording. There were three, maybe four moments where I did, like, a fuck, yeah, fist pump as I was watching. One is Bran of Tarth, Gwendolyn Christie just beating the shit out of Drummond. Got me super happy. The Milkshake dance scene with the marching band was amazing.
Alfredo Brown:Dylan g bringing back the fuck you, mister Milkshake at the end. Just amazing. Amazing. And then Milkshake's interactions with RoboCure, just awesome. Top tier
Jagger May:stuff. Can we talk about Robocure? Because Yes. I think Robocure's doctor Mauer.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That's Koff said. That's
Alfredo Brown:what Koff said. I don't know, man. It's the same thing.
Jagger May:I think he's just changing his voice, and he's the way he calls him Seth. That those are colleagues talking shit, dog. That that that like, the again, we know that they keep this pretty tight within the company. It's not like yeah. They have the board, but they're not having earnings calls with everyone about what's going on with severance.
Alfredo Brown:Wasn't Mauer also watching Gemma during Cold Harbor, like, very attentive to that moment? You think he's, like, pulling double duty where he's watching Gemma in one room and then, like, hopping over to a microphone on the other side? He's okay, Seth. You are very verbose. And, like, back over to watching Gemma.
Alfredo Brown:And it's like, he also seemed like he's communicating there with Jame Egan as well. So, like, I don't I don't know. To me
Jagger May:the phone Listen.
Alfredo Brown:Lumen makes a lot of questionable decisions, and they don't have a lot of good plan b's. But I I don't know that they take their person who's in charge of Cold Harbor, the biggest project that they've ever had, and they're like, can you also do the voice for our robot here? Do do you mind hopping in for that? I feel like there could be anything from another employee we still haven't met yet. It could have been programmed responses, even AI to a certain extent of anything.
Alfredo Brown:Like, we still don't know who's who's the board is.
Jagger May:I'm not gonna lie. I missed the detail that he was doing the efficacy test at the same time. Mhmm. Mhmm. Because, like, I even thought Jane too would would be one where it's like you get to voice grandpa.
Jagger May:I don't know how far
Alfredo Brown:By the Jane finally using normal words when he's in private was so infuriating. He's in in a private room, and he's just like, fuck. Like, I wanted him to say something stupid, like, fetid Moffett again just, like, by himself. But, no, he's a totally normal dude when he's in a room alone.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Normal. Yeah. So it's
Jagger May:all performative. You could tell me someone's that, Dougette. And, like, shout out to Helly. Like, I'm gonna be on I we don't get a lot of Gemma, you know, like, Gemma. We only get that one episode, but I get it with Helly, man.
Jagger May:The way that he comes in and she says what we're all thinking. You're so fucking weird. In her belly. Yeah. She got the fire gear.
Jagger May:Because, like, I I guess that's the thing I'm curious now, and I don't wanna, like, jump too far, you know, where we're gonna move. It's like, I'm curious for season three. Is Hella Helly gonna be like this prophecy where she's kinda like Anakin now? Where, like, she's been purified. We we clearly see that Jain had he's like, I don't love you.
Jagger May:You're not good enough. I'm gonna quite literally fuck around and try to find my next heir, and none of them have Kira's life. Been trying. Yeah. Because turns out they're too fucking normal.
Jagger May:And, you know, finally, if I clear your brain, shove you in a hole, and treat you poorly, then I'll get something out of you. It feels like maybe because Helly is on the same selfish streak, and I mean selfish in a very normal way with love, that maybe she's she's willing to live out this prophecy just so she can have time with Mark.
Alfredo Brown:So I that's exactly what I was gonna say. And and I see it this way is because because now Jame really doesn't have, like, a a choice. Like, they their whole Cold Harbor thing went to shit. Whatever they're working on here, they're gonna kinda need to have people that know what they're doing, and they've got Helly and Mark running around. There's no shot that those two can get out of the building.
Alfredo Brown:If Helly and Mark wanna stay together, they kinda have to stay in there, and this could be the opportunity. Any Mark stays with any Helly. They keep having their relationship. And I listen. We never got the payoff from the intro of baby Kier.
Alfredo Brown:And I wouldn't be surprised that this is the person who's meant to just keep the bloodline going forward, and we never actually get Audi Helena ever again because that's what James wants. He wants this Helly, and he convinces her.
Jagger May:Yep. And he's gonna give her power because, like, I mean, she's clearly ready to rally the troops, man. She, like, she converted a band just like that. I mean, like, Dylan had a lot of that. But arguably, when you see a dude break it through like an animal like that, you probably wanna be like, maybe we should stop him, and they are killing us.
Jagger May:Because, I think that's the big thing there is it's not just that is Helly gonna take over? Is she gonna continue these practices that they do? What are they going to do now if Gemma gets out? You know? Like, to me, it's like not just what Mark and Helly's endgame is.
Jagger May:It's what what is Lumen going to do now?
Matthew Kopfhamer:I was gonna say, what's Lumen? Yeah. Because we even heard at the beginning of this episode that once Mark is complete with a file and Cold Harbor is done, that Gemma and Mark and presumably that MDR team is gonna get retired is how I took that interaction. So Placid. If Cold yellow.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. If
Matthew Kopfhamer:that is true, then clearly Lumen is either setting up has a new project already set up and ready to go, or they're gonna shut down this project completely.
Alfredo Brown:So if that's the case They're not good with plan b's around there.
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. They're not. They really, really not. Don't think
Jagger May:they believe in plan b. Ayo. Ayo.
Alfredo Brown:Baby Keer coming at you fast.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I mean, if they were gonna shut down severance anyway or or presumably the MDR team, what's the harm in them just letting Mark and Hallie or Helene, if you want, to run around in the seventh don't think
Jagger May:they were
Alfredo Brown:gonna shut down MDR. I think they were just gonna keep doing this with the next batch of people.
Jagger May:Yeah. And and I think it's and and I guess let's talk about that. Like, this this is probably gonna be a long episode for us because there is a lot to unpack, is that we got we're confirmed that they are refining Gemma. And we know what Lumen is. Let's think of the optics.
Jagger May:Like, we know what they're doing. We know how the sausage is made. And that I mean, that kind of, like, literally of the word. You don't wanna see how this is done. They're gonna have these wellness facilities.
Jagger May:We see the these cabins, these birthing cabins. I feel bad. I saw trauma. My mom died, or I was in a car wreck. Go here.
Jagger May:Spend some time. We'll hook you up to some machines or whatever. Give whatever backdoor to your mind. And then these people that they don't know or whatever program are gonna be refining your brain and taking away that trauma. I feel like that's what they're going to sell.
Jagger May:Because what they keep saying that Keir's biggest goal, and Drummond says this, is to take away pain. You know? Like, how are they gonna sell this at this point now that we know how the sausage is made? And is that going to be like, the does that sound what their big sales model is, their big sales pitch? Their company.
Jagger May:They gotta profit somehow.
Alfredo Brown:I haven't thought We
Matthew Kopfhamer:already saw that a little bit with the birthing cabins where it's like, if that's the model where you can if you don't wanna remember going to the dentist, you don't wanna remember going on this plane flight, You can have remote sever like, you have chips and then you can we've seen them with the overtime contingency. You can you can have it activated outside of different geo locations. So potentially, that could be the selling point of, like, have this severance chip. And whenever you're in a situation where you get a little anxious, pop it on, let you in and deal with it, and then you don't have to worry about it. That's how you get your pain taken away.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's no. Deal with.
Jagger May:Severance is a side effect. This is what happens with drugs. Is they're trying to do something, the side effect becomes its own medicine and its own thing to treat. I mean, Gemma. What they did to Gemma, they wanna do to other people.
Jagger May:Because you gotta think they're trying to stress trauma her. You know? They're like, I'm sure she talked to someone in there. Like, every time we we take apart the the crib, you know, I feel like like terrible. Anytime I I hear, I'll be missing you.
Jagger May:I you know, they're they're trying to take away actual trauma. You know? That's something that we haven't done. Pills don't even really do. Only therapy kinda does enough of it, and then still people have problems.
Jagger May:So I mean that severance, all the things that you're saying are right, Matt, but there's another product that people will pay probably even more from. It's like, cool. You you have something that will shield me from pain, but what about that pain that I've already experienced? What can you give me for that?
Alfredo Brown:And I I still I still subscribe to the theory that it's not just shielding from pain, but shielding from death as well, given
Jagger May:how many Consciousness within the
Alfredo Brown:Consciousness and the souls and everything that they've talked about. Maybe a little bit less, but, I mean, we we got so close to finding out just a little bit more of that. I still had this I started to get this, like, vision in my head of us having the absolute last episode of Severance. It probably season three might be the final season. And it's Mark living in one of those cabins with Gemma and Helly.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And Helly.
Alfredo Brown:I've listened to the ruffle?
Matthew Kopfhamer:She's got one half. Or it's got the other half.
Alfredo Brown:Or it's multiple cabins. Like, I'll and maybe Dylan and and his wife, Gretchen, and they all move there. And and you almost do get this sort of thing where Kears vision is I mean, you you you could potentially have this thing where Keir's vision actually kinda is followed through, but just in their way, not in Lumen's way. I like, that I think that might end up being a cool finale. But we're we're gonna keep talking more about this.
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Alfredo Brown:There's so many great shows, and we're going be talking about all of them. If you have a suggestion for something that you'd like for us to talk about, drop that in the comments down below as well. Alright, guys. With Mark and Helly, because I wanna keep talking about this. I also think, like, we're forgetting something that is going to be happening with Mark, which is his continued reintegration and how the it's just going to keep blending in.
Alfredo Brown:And so at some point, we could still have Audi Mark and his thoughts and memories kind of taking over the brain of Mark s, any Mark in there, even though he's on the severed floor or wherever he might be. So I think the only way, especially if Lumen starts to learn that that's what's happening, the only way to do this is Mark might end up being a character that has to be taken to the testing floor, and they're gonna keep severing him even further and further and further the way they did with Gemma.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I mean, it's And then who's gonna refine him?
Jagger May:I'm curate well, not anyone. Because, apparently, they were all refining Gemma. I mean, you gotta think 25 files. It took them two years to get through there. So, like, to to me, that took a lot of time.
Jagger May:And, like, we again, nailed it, guys. They were refining all four of the Yep. Of their tempers and stuff. So, like, to me, that who's doing it is irrelevant more than the who is going
Alfredo Brown:to get best at it.
Jagger May:Yeah. And I think it it it was a stress test. If if their trauma is their marriage and them having a kid, why wouldn't you have that close to see if that does anything? Having even if you go back to season one because, like, now this deserves a full two season watch now because we forget some of the things where Grainer was talking to Cobell about how she was obviously experimenting by having miss Casey with Mark to see if they know anything there. So Mark is just part of the experiment.
Jagger May:So, like I said, I do think they could use Mark because, like, what what were they going to do? Well, Mark, this is your last day at Lumen. How you're fired? Are they gonna make that up? Are they gonna give him, severance?
Jagger May:You know? Yeah. I I just don't know how that was gonna work out. You know?
Alfredo Brown:I'm curious. I'm curious to see where they end up going with this because I don't think at this point you can have Mark on the outside of those walls anymore because he's just too much of a liability to come
Jagger May:find this. Yep.
Alfredo Brown:And I I think I think we're gonna find Mark on the severed floor. Hopefully, this isn't gonna take long. Right now, Ben Stiller and Dan Erickson and the guys that are that are running this show have said that they hope to get this out by, I believe it was 2027. So we'll probably have a good, you know, year of of shooting and then post production and all that extra stuff. But, guys, I think we have a lot of cool directions that they can go here.
Alfredo Brown:And one of them that I wanna talk about is the other people that are inside the office, and that's Seth Milchick, Dylan G. We've got the entire marching band who looks like they're ready to turn. Mauer, we've got so many people inside of this building that we just don't even know where they're going. And my first question is, could we see some sort of an any revolution? And if we do, I would assume Lumen's got some sort of a maybe bad word, but kill switch that just kinda shuts them all down.
Alfredo Brown:So I don't know how far we can really get with anything here within any revolution.
Jagger May:Yeah. You nailed it. Remember. Ahead.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, I was just gonna say, remember, when they were going through the list of contingencies where the overtime contingency was, the glass guy block, there was a list of, like, what, thirty, forty different contingencies? So you can't tell me that one of those isn't an off switch for the guineas or or something to that effect where if they do rise up, it's like, alright. Well, now you're your Audis again. And then your Audis is like, what the hell is going on? Like, oh, we had a accident and everybody had to come to the floor or something.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You know, they lie to them all the time. So it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they have some sort of contingency for that.
Jagger May:My my worry, and I say worry, my hope is that they're too far gone now. They were all so focused and so close to Cold Harbor that it seems that they were willing to keep a skeleton crew, you know, running this just to get it over the goal line. And now they're all scattered. Who can hit all these buttons? Because they there is one room running a lot of that in the Glasgow block.
Jagger May:Milchick is cornered by the band now. Drummond's dead. Jame is fucking himself by I mean, like, screaming fuck in a in a room. He doesn't seem very potent to begin with. And then we got Tweedle Dee and Tweedle fucking creep down there screaming, it's the spouse just running around.
Jagger May:So it just Step
Alfredo Brown:off, Bucko, is a new is a new insult that has been unlocked
Jagger May:for me.
Alfredo Brown:Oh god. I
Jagger May:I love Cecily down there. Where, like, she she was just kinda like a black lady where she was like, no. No. Fuck you. Fuck you.
Alfredo Brown:Seriously? And Mark's just with with the guns. Like, they did not have a real conversation at any point. Dude, it so crazy. Everyone was just heightened.
Jagger May:Even your Christian grandma on that point with, like, a gun in her face, and he's like, no. Fuck you. I'm out of here.
Alfredo Brown:I'm so one thing that I'm excited about, Jack, you mentioned how they have sort of like a skeleton crew here. Mhmm. I'm excited because this show continues to get bigger and bigger, and it doesn't actually mean that we're gonna have a whole lot of star power necessarily because I don't think the show needs that. But I'm excited because every season, they keep at least that's been two seasons, so it's a little redundant. But they keep adding these new wrinkles of new characters that mean a lot, whether it was Gwendolyn Christie's character in the Mammalian's Nurturable, Drummond, who was brand new essentially for us here, Mauer.
Alfredo Brown:And then we really haven't and and I can't remember the the nurse's name down there. And then we also Cecily. Okay. Thank you. And then we also haven't seen who's our girl that works for Lumen?
Jagger May:Natalie. The Natalie. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Like, where's Natalie at? So, like, there's gonna there could potentially not only just be the the employees that have been there that could, you know, be further severed or get new responsibilities, but I'm sure we're gonna see more. We had people transfer over from another Lumen department in other countries and other places. I I think that in this final season or I'm assuming it's going to be the final season. I I may be wrong, but I think that this is where Lumen finally says, like, okay.
Alfredo Brown:We can't keep fucking around. Let's bring in our big guns. And it's gonna be, like, crazy security, crazy management. It's not just a a milkshake running the floor. It's a bunch of people running the floor.
Alfredo Brown:It's not just one Gemma. It's gonna be multiple people. Like, it could be both. It could be Mark and Helly that end up down there, and they're just running them both in the testing floor. Like, this could get really, really wild and really big.
Jagger May:Do do we have you ever considered that maybe that this Lumen department is just the first to complete Cold Harbor? Because clearly, had other MDR places, other spots. May and maybe they were doing different tasks, but we heard what's his face in, like, the first episode, bitch, that they never hit quota. So it kinda sounds like they were doing the same things. So maybe They're
Alfredo Brown:just the only successful one, I think.
Jagger May:Yeah. Or maybe the first. Like, oh, yeah. Because you gotta
Alfredo Brown:They may have they may have unlocked the the the best strategy here with spouses, with it being Mark and Gemma and him having a better understanding of who she is. He's able to do it faster and train new employees to do it. So it could be a thing where we start to see more spouses, more people that have connections, brothers and sisters, stuff like that. God, imagine if Ricken ends up getting severed after he writes his book for them. I just started thinking about that.
Alfredo Brown:I don't yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I don't I hear the
Jagger May:fan theory that Ricken Jeopardy.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Did did you guys hear the fan theory that he was already severed? And that
Alfredo Brown:And that he's a goat?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Conscious of a goat? And that the evidence is because he's a mountain climber?
Jagger May:Speaking of actually,
Alfredo Brown:I don't With the with the with the goat beard and everything.
Jagger May:Don't think you're I'm not willing to rule that out.
Alfredo Brown:That's not crazy. That's not the craziest thing we've seen on this show.
Jagger May:I I was about to say, like, out of all those areas, I don't think that's not
Matthew Kopfhamer:Which goes back to the scene of when they're gonna presumably sacrifice the goat. If you go back to what Drummond says, he's talking about how they they need this goat to usher a woman to Kyr or something like that and to have Kyr's spirit lead her on. So what the hell is that about?
Jagger May:They that's what I that's what I was about kick to because Yeah. Obviously, they kill people all the time. We we've already known that. We've already known that. When they first show the the the goat room, she was immediately like, are you here to kill us?
Jagger May:Because when have new people there yeah. When you have new people, like, they're clearly sensitive to it. Two, clearly, they think that these goats are gonna like, it's okay if we send them to Kyr. You know, we're just they're just leaving this plane. That's like a whole thing there.
Jagger May:And it wasn't just that they're killing the goat goats. It seems like whoever Gwendolyn care like, queen goat lady, goat supreme, The Goatess. She
Alfredo Brown:Keep going.
Jagger May:She was a Breanne
Alfredo Brown:of Goats.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah. Breanne of Goats. Like, she was concerned about just death in general. Like, how many did they bring down there?
Jagger May:The third point, that band, like, when Helly said she was like, you've seen them take some of your people. You know? They felt it. They felt
Alfredo Brown:Owen Diaz felt it.
Jagger May:Everyone has felt it. Everyone has felt it. So people have been just
Matthew Kopfhamer:asked every department why is every department humongous compared to MDR? MDR has four people and then o and d had, like, 30. The mammalians had, like, 20. I really wanna break
Alfredo Brown:down of the departments. I really wanna break down of the all the departments the same way we did with all of the different rooms because Mhmm. I would have never you could have sat me in front of a computer and had me type out all the fucking departments, and I could have gone through hundreds and never had a choreography and merriment department. It'd be essentially an HBCU band. Like, that that's the spot.
Alfredo Brown:Phenomenal.
Jagger May:That's the spot. And to be fair, guys, that's just a southern band. I don't know why there's this HBCU thing. Like like
Alfredo Brown:That was Kop. Kop got Kop got it in my head.
Jagger May:Hey. Hey. I'm in Florida, man. Florida A and M
Alfredo Brown:is fucking awesome. Yeah.
Jagger May:I was just like, clearly, Milchick went
Matthew Kopfhamer:to an HBCU, and that's, you know, that's he was like, I get to get to show off again. That's a part of life style. I think he got I think he got introduced to Lumen through an internship, but he was a he was probably a band major in college.
Alfredo Brown:Listen, man. I'll I'll give my shout out. Carl, if we could shout out our school we went to, FIU, Florida International in Miami. Miami's supposed to have flavor. Dog, that that marching band's got nothing.
Alfredo Brown:Nothing compared to this this choreography and merriment here in Lumen. That's why it was more of a it's more of a compliment than the assumption is that, like, the only way they're that good is if it is an HBCU band because they were fucking awesome. Mhmm.
Jagger May:Yep. And then speaking of music on here, can we talk about that needle drop at the end of it, the windmills of your mind?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Jagger May:I had to I had to go look because I I was telling my my fiance, I was just like, did Quentin Tarantino do a guest director? Because that's what it felt like towards the end of it. The whole style, the camera movement, that's such a good needle drop. Obviously, from the lyrics we heard and how that's relative. But I I think what we're missing is you remember when Helly chooses defiant jazz for the the first one?
Jagger May:This was Mark choosing defy yeah. Was choosing defiant jazz. I don't know what Jim is. Maybe she's indie. Maybe she's girly pop.
Jagger May:But Matt's just like, I really fuck with that that defiant jazz here. So it's such a good good detailed, throwback call.
Alfredo Brown:You know what else I noticed there is with the the red emergency lights and how they were flashing through is when Mark is sitting there in that moment, the red light is actually going inward towards Helly as it keeps going down the hallway and transitioning in that direction, almost pointing Mark back in that direction. And, obviously, you can do whatever, you know, split you want to there where you can see the dichotomy of red, white, dark, light, evil, good, whatever. Where it's like, no matter what, Mark is kind of falling victim to the his tempers and going right back into Lumen despite how dangerous it is because hell he's there. And it's it's his own, like, little selfishness. And so she's like, there's just so many things they get from the music to the visuals, to everything just in those moments.
Alfredo Brown:And it causes people like us to overthink everything. I've already seen people thinking that that's not Helly. It's Helena again because of, like, a simple look that she gave when holding off Milchick with the with the vending machine. But, no, the actress has already come out and said, no. This is Helly R.
Jagger May:Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:This is Helly R. So, like, that can be put to bed.
Jagger May:And it's even even And it's also confirmed that. James confirmed that. He's just like, I don't love my daughter. I don't like my daughter.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. We're not bringing that bitch back. That's basically what he said.
Jagger May:She dead. She dead as hell.
Matthew Kopfhamer:She doesn't eat her egg
Jagger May:raw. Yeah. God.
Alfredo Brown:What? Oh my god. Wait. Wait. What if James gets Helly r to lead the entire army of, like, Jame children?
Alfredo Brown:What if a bunch of the employees are Jame children?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, no. I don't like that. I don't like any of that. You don't
Jagger May:want them minis fucking now. I tell you that much. Or
Alfredo Brown:maybe he does. Siblings.
Jagger May:That's true, man.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That's true. Like Even Pierre
Alfredo Brown:Dude, like, half of that marching band could be his own sired children. Yeah.
Jagger May:Some of those kids had some
Matthew Kopfhamer:What if Natalie is You know the face.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. What if Natalie is?
Matthew Kopfhamer:If Natalie is one of his children. What if Drummond's what? Yeah. Holy shit. They could
Alfredo Brown:all the Drummond. I mean, because he said father.
Jagger May:He said father. Remember, he's like father said that, you know, like
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. The way I read that was more like a honorific title. It might have been Yeah. Yeah. It might have actually been father.
Jagger May:I I was I honestly thought they could have been siblings up until honestly, kinda forgot about it. But, like, I was, like, pretty confident there for a little bit.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That really going back to that closing that closing shot of of Mark and Hallie just running into the unknown, it's a beautiful, poignant, you know, shot. But really what it's showing is, like, even in the face of basically an apocalypse, because they don't know what they're running into. They could be running into certain death at this point. Just the fact that they get to do it together is worth any risk that they have to take. And it shows that, you know, any mark, especially at the beginning when he is talking to his out Audi mark, and they're going back and forth.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And it gets to the point where any mark almost gets suspicious, and it's like, you only meet you're you're only asking me this. You're only confronting me with this because you want something from me. As soon as I give you that thing, what's in there for me? And so you could see that he's finally coming to the realization, like, the only thing that he cares about deeply enough to do anything about is Helly. So I think that's gonna be a driving tension point next season of now you have Audi Mark that was so close to finally getting what he wanted, which was Gemma back and getting to be with her.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And and any Mark snatched that away from him. So I'm gonna be really interested to see how we're gonna have those reintegration scenes where maybe we do see Audi Mark start to take more control and then jeopardize that Hailey relationship.
Alfredo Brown:Two things. I think Audi Mark did a terrible job of selling it to any Mark. Like, Homi was definitely a teacher and did nothing in sales
Matthew Kopfhamer:as Mark As soon he brought up
Alfredo Brown:the integration sucked.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Fucked up.
Alfredo Brown:Mhmm. He's like, I don't think it works like that. Then he's like, how does it work?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Just trust me, bro.
Alfredo Brown:Just trust me. Yeah. Sources. Trust me, bro.
Jagger May:And then him calling him Helene or calling her Helene.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Was I knew at
Jagger May:that point. Was just That
Alfredo Brown:was the breaking point.
Jagger May:Yep. It's like, you fucked up because, like, actually,
Alfredo Brown:it's Why would you even bring up that this person has had good experiences as an any? Like, no. Seriously. You you you don't. No.
Alfredo Brown:Mhmm. And the other thing is this is, like, I don't even know how reintegration is going to quite work where there's a thing where Audi Mark takes control, I think it's gonna be more of just the memories and thoughts blending together, not like a a two consciousnesses within the body. I think it's more of just the thoughts and memories blending together in a single consciousness where any Mark is going to start to see and feel the emotions of Audi Mark, and especially if he's there for a while. Once again, he's going to probably start to sleep and dream and have more things that he has not come across yet. So there's gonna be, like, a whole different version of his life now that he's gonna be experiencing that could trigger all new thoughts and memories from Audi Mark.
Jagger May:Mhmm. It's a
Matthew Kopfhamer:good point.
Jagger May:Yeah. And, I mean and it I think they're actually more Mark s, any Mark, is gonna experience like, you can't just shove these feelings in and expect that you're just gonna ball out.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Stuff it down with brown.
Jagger May:Exact I was thank you. I was gonna say that he's gonna stuff it down with some brown. Because I don't like, buddy, the you just gotta have a problem. And then at the end of the episode, of course, like, coffee, you know, like we said, we always watch it. Adam Scott even said, he's like, I don't think they're thinking ten seconds ahead.
Jagger May:And I talked ahead of time. If anyone's seen the graduate, they're they're re equating that that famous shot. And, like, maybe you've seen The Office or something. When they create Michael Scott Paper Company, they recreate that shot as well with Pam and Michael Lee where they're, like, super excited. And then the longer that shot goes on, they're just like, oh my god.
Jagger May:What did I just do? What are we going to do? I have no plan. You know? Like, that's kind of what I feel like they're at at this point now.
Jagger May:They're not thinking ten seconds ahead. He made a decision. He chose, as every man does, the beef. And it he doesn't know anything about Jim or anything else. He's like, I I love I'm sorry, Kyle.
Jagger May:He's like, I love
Alfredo Brown:That's gross. That was gross.
Jagger May:I'm quoting a movie. I'm sorry.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Sure. They're
Alfredo Brown:they're very much still they're very much still kids. Like, we have to remember that, these indies. Yeah. They're dating indies this point. Even though they've been given somewhat adult responsibilities at a job and they've been you know, they've had the ability to act or say things like adults, they're very much still kids in terms of their experiences, their decision making abilities.
Alfredo Brown:Like, they don't know shit about fuck. There you go. I dropped it twice this episode. And it's yeah. You're you're % right.
Alfredo Brown:Like, this decision's gonna come back to haunt them real quick. I have a feeling it's gonna be, like, something fast within the first five minutes of the new season. They're getting caught.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's gonna
Alfredo Brown:blow up in my face. Yeah. Huge. Huge.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yep. Which are you are you are you guys both glad? Because I was glad that Mark didn't kiss Helly in front of Gemma. Because I thought that was what what was gonna happen. And that he was gonna truly break Gemma's heart in front of her.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then he just grabs her hand and runs. And I was like, okay. Cool. I'm I'm I definitely clapped that direction.
Jagger May:I definitely would've think that would've contributed more to the first theory of, like, is she gonna be worried that Mark just left her or something like that and moved on.
Alfredo Brown:Mhmm. Okay. So let's talk about some new new characters here. Milchick. And he he was an absolute just MVP during this episode aside from Mark and everything he did there.
Alfredo Brown:But Milchick was just he's so captivating when he's on screen. Like, whatever he's doing, any dance number, it's phenomenal. And then with him, I almost wonder if he like, is he kind of just an agent of chaos at this point? Like, why would you have a marching band come through there and all this for two employees that you, like, that are well known for fuckery? Like, they are well known for causing problems.
Alfredo Brown:Even Dylan g being on that floor too, you got three of the of of the characters that give you the most problems. You create so much chaos, so much distraction. I I almost wonder, like, is is Milchick at the IDGAF moment, like, in his in his work tenure where he doesn't care?
Jagger May:I think he doesn't care, and that was him taking orders for management, man. Like, you gotta remember that mil mister Milczyk's middle management. Normally, he might have said, hey. This might not be a good idea to have this celebration. Let's just have Mhmm.
Jagger May:The waffle party. Let's have a melon head. Almost anything else but this. You know? Yeah.
Jagger May:With the exception of, like, let's celebrate at the shooting range. You know? Let's give these guys guns. You know? That's, like, the only thing that would be
Matthew Kopfhamer:worth axe throwing.
Jagger May:Yeah. Exactly. You know? Look. And and that is him just saying.
Jagger May:He's like, alright. You want me to just lead a band of dance and and we're done? I'm done with this? Fuck yeah. You know?
Jagger May:Like, I I I think, yes, you're right, but not so much in the sense that he planned the band. Or he just like, hey. We planned a celebration.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That's where I disagree. I think he was given a list of options from management. Like, pick one of these to celebrate Cold Harbor being finished. And he saw the band one, he's like, hell yes. I get to show up.
Alfredo Brown:I know, man. Because remember playing the Chicago Bulls nineties theme to be introduced? That's That she was so good. That's pretty that's pretty gangster, man. Like, I can't I can't say that Lumen went out and decided that.
Alfredo Brown:That feels like some milkshake
Matthew Kopfhamer:flavor. Milkshake.
Jagger May:That that was I was gonna give that. I'll give you that. That was definitely let's just say it. Only a black guy could have been that cool. I don't see doctor Mauer pulling that out.
Jagger May:Yeah. I don't see doctor Mauer.
Alfredo Brown:Jamie Jamie Egan wasn't sitting there like, you know what this celebration really needs?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:It's some Chicago Bulls intro from the Alan Parsons project. No.
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. But that's what I'm saying. I think he was given a list of options. He saw that one. Because I remember season one with the musical dance experience.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He was all up into that too until Dylan rocked his shit. So And he did
Jagger May:that early. Just sees music. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He sees music as an option. He's like that one. He doesn't care about the cost. He didn't care about the consequence. He just wants to dance.
Jagger May:That's a cigarette. Yeah. He's like, I need a fucking cigarette.
Alfredo Brown:That's just what he does. Like, at the end of the quarter, he's like, I just I just wanna fucking dance. Let's just take our shoes
Matthew Kopfhamer:off and dance. He gets the corner staff. He's like, let's rock. Let's go.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. So we've Dylan Dylan's also in there. And I wish we got this point. Like, can these care I I wanted more too, but, like, my question now becomes is these characters that are in there that have caused such a problem, I don't think they're going to be let out. I don't think we're getting Audi Dylan.
Alfredo Brown:I don't think we're getting Audi Mark. I don't think we're getting Helena. I think we're keeping these any characters for a while because season three is and if if it is the finale, and I keep assuming it will be because that just feels right for the show. Season three feels like it's gonna be a lot about valuing these innies because we're going to potentially get their death, the end of their characters. So I feel like we're just gonna get a lot of them within the walls of Lumen.
Jagger May:Do you think this show do you think it should end at season three? Or, I mean, granted, we don't know what they're gonna give us, but it feels like three seasons is enough. Right?
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. That's that's where I'm at. That's why I keep just assuming season three is it. And, also, it's kinda like Colin Farrell talking about the penguin and the makeup and all that stuff and how, like, just awful
Matthew Kopfhamer:it
Alfredo Brown:was from keep doing that. I was listening to Adam Scott on the Smartless podcast talk about filming these. They go away from their families for nine months. That's a lot for a show that has 10 episodes. So to do a third season here where he's going be gone away from his family, like, I just don't know.
Alfredo Brown:I don't think they're doing this for four or five seasons. I think that the story is already at a pretty good tipping point. Yeah. Yeah. Where you could do a third season, make it 10 episodes, make it 12 episodes.
Alfredo Brown:Sure. But I think the third season is probably where we're at because I just I just don't think
Matthew Kopfhamer:Especially with the amount
Alfredo Brown:down this rabbit hole.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Especially with the amount they provided answers to this episode. Like, understand now what Coldwell Harbor is. We understand what the numbers at MTR. We understand what Lumen we think we understand what Lumen's trying to do. So I think with the amount we've been given, it makes sense that the next season would be the the wrap up.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Because really, from a logical standpoint, like, where do you go with this story? Like like you mentioned, these three employees have literally wrecked your shit for, like, a year straight now. So, like, when is when is enough enough, and when are you just gonna pop them in the head and throw them out in the dumpster? Like, you're talking to a company as big as Lumen. They're not gonna pull a Boeing?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, come on.
Alfredo Brown:I'm I'm sitting here thinking that the people outside of Lumen, it's we're only gonna get inside Lumen and outside Lumen. I don't think that in season three that we're going to be getting innies and outies. We're just gonna get these are the characters that don't work there, and they're outside of the building. These are the ones that are inside the building and have to stay there. And listen, man.
Alfredo Brown:I'm not gonna be surprised if we end up with, like, Devin and Kobel there in front of the Lumen Building, and you get a on your left, and here comes Irving and Bert and and all these other characters. And we have a whole, like, group of people outside of Lumen that are coming to save Mark and Helly and and figure out a way and then take them over to the cabins. Like, that's where my brain keeps going for season three. And they can figure out the rest with Bregabi and Kobel and all these smart people that already know what they're doing and Bert who's been involved with it for so long that you can give these people a life they want or we feel potentially deserve at this point without needing Lumen to be your resource for it. You can still take down this company.
Jagger May:Yeah. That that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. And I think TV in general, like, maybe we've learned from Game of Thrones. Hopefully, we're learning for Stranger Things.
Jagger May:It's it's just better just to wrap shit up, man. Just give me a good story. Like like, it I will be happier if you give me think about, like you've watched Succession. Succession is a perfect four seasons. Perfect.
Jagger May:It is perfect. I don't think, like, man, I wish we had another season. I just like it it is ideal, and that's what I really want from the show. Stick it home, land it, and I will be happy. Do not stretch it out for me to keep watching it because Apple right now, I feel like, has a very good reputation of just just getting less good TV.
Alfredo Brown:Prestige TV is doing that. Mhmm. They're not elongating things for no reason. Like, we're not it is not a shot because it's a good show, but we're not getting a Sopranos that goes on for six, seven, eight, nine seasons. I don't know how long it went, felt like it went on forever.
Alfredo Brown:Six seasons. Yeah. And even that, like, feels long nowadays. Like, you said Succession was four. I think that we're gonna probably gonna get three with this show.
Alfredo Brown:Last of Us is probably gonna go, like, three seasons.
Jagger May:Silos confirmed four seasons. You
Alfredo Brown:know? Yeah. Righteous Gemstones is ending with four. I mean, we're getting a lot of shows that are finishing up quick.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And That's honestly And or
Jagger May:is it
Matthew Kopfhamer:gonna be two. Yeah. Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. But that That's honestly It's just a good thing.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That that's because they go in with the the story that they wanna tell and they know how much time it's gonna take to wrap that up, you know, succinctly. Whereas I feel like sometimes with TV, a show will get popular despite what they thought. And then they're like, shit. Let's just keep rolling because the money train's moving. And so that's when you get people tacked on, you get extra seasons, you get extra storylines that make no sense.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And I feel like with severance, with the showrunners, what they've proven so far is they're not gonna do that. Even though this show is probably the one one of the most popular shows on television right now, they're not gonna just be like, oh, let's get more seasons because it'll make more money.
Jagger May:It'll sell.
Matthew Kopfhamer:They're gonna
Alfredo Brown:sell into it. This show, I think, is a lot like what Ted Lasso was for Apple TV. It's the gateway for people to come to Apple TV. I don't think that they try to keep pushing this out and ruin the show. This is what's bringing people over and getting more subscribers.
Alfredo Brown:And I don't know if you guys saw they're losing a billion dollars a year on streaming. Mhmm. But they also make billions per day. Mhmm. So, like, this does not bother them.
Alfredo Brown:They are just trying to dominate in every
Jagger May:single They're about the long game. They're about the long game on
Alfredo Brown:this. And it's working.
Jagger May:Yep. 3000%. That's why you guys should watch the studio too when it comes out. So
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna be watching the studio as well. I don't know if we're gonna talk about it. We might do, like, a full season review.
Alfredo Brown:That seems that seems like a good compromise on the studio. Yeah. We'll let you know if it's good, guys. We got you. Also, other shows that we're watching out here.
Alfredo Brown:Daredevil born again, White Lotus season three. Man, White Lotus is getting good. Walton Goggins is, he's our GOAT. We're also gonna be watching The Last of Us and or season two. Black Mirror season seven is coming up.
Alfredo Brown:That's an anthology. So you don't need to be watching all the episodes, but we we probably will. And we'll probably go through, you know, some of our favorites from that season and recap those and discuss those with you guys. So let us know if there are any shows, movies or any even just topics you guys want us to talk about. Drop that in the comments down below.
Alfredo Brown:We're going do that for you guys. As always, we want to thank you guys for watching or listening all the way through for myself, for Jack or for Cough. We'll see you next time. Bye, guys.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Bad news is bullet train. Music.
Jagger May:Bullet train's so good,
Alfredo Brown:dude. Oh, I love bullet train.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Give me give me Bullet Plane. Give me
Matthew Kopfhamer:Bullet Boat. Bullet Boats.
Alfredo Brown:Give me Bullet Cars. Just give me a whole just make it a franchise of basically just remaking speed. Yeah. I'm in. Bullet everything.
Alfredo Brown:Bullet submarine.
Jagger May:My whole Star Wars rant, I gave you cough. I gave Joey a a rant of why Bullet Train deserved an Oscar. He's like, it was alright. I'm like, Joey, get the fuck out of here. It's like, oh, it was too enjoyable for an Oscar.
Jagger May:Everyone had too much fun. Alright. Like, I finally watched Anorum. Did not deserve all those Oscars, doc. And then I found out they paid 18,000,000 for advertising.
Jagger May:Like, get the fuck out. Like, I I was like, Joey, don't come at me with like, I hate to, like, this is your thing. Your thing is a lie and a sham.
Alfredo Brown:Your thing is a lie. You know,
Matthew Kopfhamer:it's all
Alfredo Brown:It's such a personal attack on someone. I know it's your thing, but your thing is a lie.
Jagger May:It is, though. Like, like, sorry not sorry, dude. Like, you're
Matthew Kopfhamer:telling me to It's literally it's literally pay to play.
Alfredo Brown:Anyone want who wants to read a spoiler warning for this one?
Jagger May:I'll try.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Jagger, you do it this time. Didn't do
Alfredo Brown:it. I know that Jagger's just like, well, I'll do another at bat here. Let's just see what happens. If we strike out, you know, we can always just come back to the plate again.
Jagger May:That batting average is under 300 for sure. Yeah. It's you know? Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Hey, man. Pitchers have gotten better lately, so you're fine.
Alfredo Brown:You're you're you're our our Mark Maguire right now. It's just either home runs or strikeouts. Yeah. Basically it. Koff's really good at getting on base.
Alfredo Brown:Koff, you're you're our Juan Pierre here. Yep. You're getting there, buddy.
Jagger May:Or a or a Derek Jeter, dude. Like, you're like, you're getting on. You know?
Alfredo Brown:Well, Derek Jeter was crushing ass outside of baseball. Gosh. I can't yeah. I can't I can't give off Derek Jeter.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's way too cool.
Alfredo Brown:Literally was getting more ass than a toilet seat, man.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Like, no shot. Like, am too tired
Jagger May:to hit home runs. You're fine with this doubles.
Alfredo Brown:I'll just accept
Jagger May:The home runs I came to last night. Off the diamond. They're off the diamond, doc.
