On today's episode, we're giving you our breakdown and review of daredevil born again episodes five and six. Guys, there were some amazing cameos in these episodes. What could they mean for the greater MCU? And I listen. Some people are calling it a filler.
Alfredo Brown:I think it might be one of the best filler episodes I've ever seen. And then we finally get Matt back in the suit. Kingpin is tearing through his, also some phenomenal fight scenes, all that and more on an all new episode of Unveiled.
Jagger May:This is your one and only spoiler warning. We are a reaction and discussion podcast, and we will be spoiling everything about Daredevil and anything that's happened in the MCU in the last, I don't know, twenty years.
Alfredo Brown:Jag, I'm gonna start with you, man. What was your favorite part of these two episodes? Because they were very different, very contrasting. Both of them, fantastic.
Jagger May:I think I liked Fisk in episode two. I know you said you liked episode one, and I'm not hating on it. This is just this is like me picking my favorite ice cream. You know? A lot of them were all good.
Jagger May:I had fun eating every one of them. But I felt like the entire time with Fisk, was just like, crash out. Crash out. Crash out. And I I finally got it, man.
Jagger May:Like like, with both of them. And I felt like both episodes you wanna call episode five a filler? For sure, maybe from the plot standpoint and the actual plot, but moving Matt forward to get him back in the suit, I felt like it was necessary, and that was his time. You know, he put the ski mask on. He's like, this feels right.
Jagger May:I feel at home. I'm beating the shit out of criminals. But episode six, maybe a little bit less matte. But on the fifth side, you know, he's just like, he's like, I'm not fitting in suits anymore. That pasta's starting to get starting to get there.
Jagger May:You know? He's know, he's about to put on the white, put the rose on, and just be a monster. So, like, I can't say I had as much as a favorite moment, but but maybe seen. Do you know when Luca comes in? I think that might have been my favorite moment.
Jagger May:You see Vincent D'Onofrio's face? And I'll end on this. It's a shame that we lost seven years of Vincent D'Onofrio's kingpin. He's he's just too good.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right. Oh, so kind of piggybacking off what you said, Jack. My favorite scene was when they were planning playing off of in episode six, daredevil fight and then fist fighting almost back to back. Yes. And they kept switching back and forth just showing, like, these two are the they're they're two sides of the same coin at the end of the day.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, they're man of principle. They're they're man of integrity. But when you push them far enough, they will snap, and they will be, violently retribute you know, you bring down retribution. So I love that. I love seeing that in episode six.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And and don't get me wrong. Like you said, Jack, episode five was a hell of a good time. Like, seeing Matt fuck with these bank robbers and get the better of them at every single turn, whether it's verbal, mental, or physical, it's like, hell yeah. This is the daredevil I wanted the whole time.
Jagger May:And I love the bank robbers, to be honest. They're fucking hilarious.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Were so much fun. Fucks. Dude, the joke with the penguin, it's excellent. Excellent.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, I fucked a penguin.
Jagger May:It's hilarious.
Alfredo Brown:My wife took a second. She's like, wait. What? And I was like, you'll you'll get in. Just keeps like keep thinking.
Matthew Kopfhamer:My favorite
Jagger May:was when they're making fun of Matt. He's just like he's like he's like, you're blind and an orphan.
Alfredo Brown:Like, you're a you're a wee Charles Dickens character, aren't
Jagger May:you? You you got he's like,
Matthew Kopfhamer:you have to stay now. Holy shit.
Jagger May:That was so good.
Alfredo Brown:And and, like, this us laughing about it is, like, the reason I really enjoyed that episode so much. I know it didn't really push the plot forward so much, but we got to see an actual different side of Matt that we don't normally see. Like, I can only even though all my favorite characters from comics are very broody characters, Batman, Daredev, all that, like, I can only take that for so much. It's fun to get out of that realm for a little bit and enjoy this part of it. And I think that little crossover with Yousef Khan and just seeing Matt be Matt.
Alfredo Brown:And I and I think why I like this episode so much is that I don't even think Muse or Angela Del Toro were the the things that kinda tipped the scales for Matt to become Daredevil. Even though it's how it works in the show, I think it was this episode of the bank robbery. Like you said, him having to put on the mask and realizing there are certain things I just will not be able to help people with if I stay within the realm of the law. And that's been something that they've been knocking at that door over and over and over. And, Jack, like you said, once he put that mask on, all bets were off.
Alfredo Brown:He he was daredevil again. Like, that there's no turning back. And that's why I like this episode so much because it it really mixed in things like humor and MCU cameos that we've gotten so used to, but still giving us the daredevil that we know and love and what we've wanted this whole time.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And speaking of getting those sorry. I just wanna say, with him getting the invite to family dinner at the Collins house, are we gonna see Kamala and daredevil team up, or or are they gonna just kinda play it like, oh, we both have a secret. Like, I wanna see a team up. I think that'd be a really fun episode if we got to see them take down, like, a small time robber or something.
Alfredo Brown:I don't think we're gonna get that in this show, but I think it's leading to an eventual come over for dinner type thing. Because, like, think about it. Even with Peter Parker, you know, he he gets he gets the meetup there, but they're not actually working together or anything. I think we're gonna get that meetup. I think what this does actually is this kinda shows that young Avengers is really imminent, and they keep just implying that over and over and over, whether it's, with with with Kamala Khan, Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang, Billy Maximoff.
Alfredo Brown:I'm right I got all the names. Riri Williams, America Chavez. Now I've got Angela Delrell.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Angela, yeah, with White Tiger. So I could see that being
Alfredo Brown:We we've got a lot here, and I almost I'm seeing it almost kind of a mentor role for Daredevil here, and I almost don't want that. It might be fun, but I kinda don't want that for him. I don't want him to have to be the the cool uncle of the group.
Jagger May:Yeah. Not of the group. Like, maybe for White Tiger specifically for this ground level hero stuff, you know, because Young Avengers is gonna have, I think, more ground level guys than, let's say, like, the actual mainline Avengers or whatever. So I think that Angela kinda needs that so we can get an understanding of what she does so we're not like, well, how the fuck does Hawkeye even hang out with these people? You know, sometimes we don't have that mentality.
Jagger May:But I wanna ask you guys a point here because I've been the biggest hater of this show. And, like, I texted you guys. You know? Like, I was like, I owe you guys apology, not you, but, like, the the showrunners and everything. Like, I wasn't familiar with your game because they did a really good job at payoff.
Jagger May:And I kinda told you guys that, like, I don't trust Disney right now to provide payoff. And now I see the path of what they're gonna do, so now I have that trust. And to be honest, the filler episode, it did all my complaints, and it did it again, but in the best way possible. Like, Matt was out of the suit, but Matt wasn't, like, sitting around moping
Matthew Kopfhamer:Until he wasn't. Do I.
Jagger May:Yeah. Well, until he wasn't. Exactly. Like, he he did fun stuff, had an adventure outside. They detracted from the story, but they made everything fun.
Jagger May:I've been complaining that they're going too fast to pass mantles or go on to, like, the young Avengers, but Angela here, I'm invested in right away. Like, I like like, I get that character. I I'm give her the amulet. Give me the give her the amulet. I'm already rooting for.
Jagger May:So it's almost like they've done a really good job at learning from mistakes and not so much throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but kind of improving and making it work.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right. And one thing I wanna say in defense of episode five, not as a filler episode, but as a legitimate episode that moves the plot forward, the whole reason that bank robbery happened was the b plot with Fisk. And that's what leads to Fisk breaking in episode six. So I I think anyone that says that episode five is just filler is clearly missing the mark because there's a overarching connection between not just the two episodes, but the whole season coming up before it. So I think it was a very smart way to tie those two storylines together, have that crossover of Daredevil inadvertently kinda helping Kingpin without realizing it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then it leads directly to Kingpin snapping and just letting it all loose on Adam. So I think that was brilliantly done.
Alfredo Brown:Now, Cop, you say that this is the this storyline here was it was connecting the b plot, and I kinda wanna break that down really quick. So this bank robbery here, these, these Irishmen are hired by Luca, head of the tracksuit mafia, to steal this diamond to pay back the $1,800,000, let's call it, the Fisk tax at this point. One thing I noticed that was kind of, I guess we can call it a a novelty thing, but I thought it was fun, was each mask of the bank robber was a different color. And to me, all I kept thinking of, because it's Marvel, because it's MCU, was Infinity Stones. Each one represented a different infinity infinity stone, and then the actual diamond at the end was the orange one.
Alfredo Brown:That that's that's needed at that's very end. So it was like that. It just kinda seemed like a pretty cool parallel. And, it just what I liked about this yeah. Go go.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I was gonna say, I just thought it was the colors of the rainbow because they're Irish. You know, look at the Irish. End of the rainbow.
Alfredo Brown:Is that the not I could there's yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Potentially Either way. There's a lot. Either way.
Jagger May:I feel childish because I thought Power Rangers, and then I thought and then I thought Reservoir Dogs because, like, mister Reed, mister
Matthew Kopfhamer:All good all good they could you know, all good references.
Alfredo Brown:I think they're making a lot of references. All good. And they still they even do the they even do the Jesse James reference as well in here, which I believe is, Inside Man. Mhmm.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right? Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. So, like, that there's an there was a lot of, like, little heist references and MCU references, I think, or even, let's just say, leprechaun references. You know? We can we can kinda tie tie
Matthew Kopfhamer:the bow wherever we want. Bandwins.
Alfredo Brown:But, man, like, what I dude, that joke was so funny. That was so good. It was fun. What I loved here with Matt and, like, what you can always kinda notice is that his blind guy act that he does is just stewed to perfection. He comes walking in, whistling, super cash, and he's like, woah.
Alfredo Brown:Is is someone there? What's what's going on? And it's just such a good moment
Jagger May:for him. On the well point. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:And then but then later, it's it's I think, like, you could see, like, how much power he has just in that role of being the unassuming blind guy and how he can manipulate a situation, even trying to be the solicitor, so to speak, where he's telling them all about, you know, the laws and what's gonna happen to them. But it's that moment, man, where he just loosens up the tie. Like, that's when you know shit's about to go down. And that the the whole takedown that he did of that the silent takedown. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Catching the gun
Jagger May:and screw the yeah. Oh. So
Alfredo Brown:cool. That was so damn cool.
Jagger May:I I don't know if you guys felt this, but, like, Matt, through this whole time, you remember in Step Brothers where they're watching the Steven Seagal movie, he breaks that dude's arm? They're like, yes. Yeah. I don't know if it was because, like, I watched this after the gym. Still, like, girlfriends are hot after the pre workout.
Jagger May:Was like Crazy. Yeah. My fiance is like, why are you, like, championing violence so much? And I was like, we need because it's awesome.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, man.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. The same way. I've been sitting on my ass all day. So Alright.
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Alfredo Brown:So make sure you are subscribed. Gents, we got two cameos here in this, in these back to back episodes. First was Yousef Khan, father of Kamala Khan, miss Marvel. But then we also, in the next episode, get Jack Duquesne, swordsman. And it was really brief where they show him quick, like, first on a video where it's I think it's was it was during the BB report, right, where they're talking about, like, these vigilantes that are going around, and someone's like, there's someone that's, like, championing a millionaire.
Alfredo Brown:Good job, swordsman out there. Check out this guy with a sword. And immediately, was like, oh, it's Jack. And then within moments, we get the payoff of him actually being there and him being one of these wealthy patrons for potentially for Fisk, but he's not about it. He and kind of seems like every other socialite in the area is not about helping Wilson Fisk at this point.
Alfredo Brown:I I wonder what was the breaking point for Fisk? Because was that
Matthew Kopfhamer:I think it was a combination.
Alfredo Brown:Was it for you?
Matthew Kopfhamer:You know, it's a it's a he's in a pressure cooker all the way around. And so he's been dealing with, from all sides, bullshit from his illegitimate business where he has Luca trying to, you know, question his authority. Then you have all these British socialites who are basically, you know, thumbing their nose at him where they're like, we understand the game, and you're just trying to do a new angle on the game and being a con man, but fuck you. We're the ones that run the show. Then he also
Alfredo Brown:had bureaucracy Exactly. She's saying.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Basically. And then you also have the bureaucracy and red tape of, like, he can't even get a pothole filled in the street without him having to make a big big show of it. So it's like, he has all of these things coming down on top of him, and it's finally come to a head. And I think it's it's not one thing. It's just everything together that's finally made him break, and it's like, alright, kingpin time.
Jagger May:Yep. It's it's like you said, they're obviously the opposite sides of the same coin here, and it's them not being able to use the conventional system to get the things that they want. You know? Except one person is a little bit more selfish, but they both think that they're doing a good thing. Like, at the end of the day, Wilson Fisk thinks that he's the hero of his own story.
Jagger May:You're like, yeah. I'm gonna make some money on the side. I'm gonna sell some drugs, but at the end of the day, I'm a hometown hero. And then Matt, he always worries that he's going to beef this by going over the edge there. But at the same time, like, Alfredo, you've already said this.
Jagger May:You know, they've come to that conclusion that, man, the law wherever wherever you're at in it, whether you're gonna be an elected official, a vigilante, a lawyer, it just doesn't work in the way that you want it to, and it's just frustrating. After the fourth no, and he's like, oh, now I got a a serial killer who's painting with blood. It's like, alright. You know, let's go get the racist. Go get go get my my fuck off cops, and let's go get
Matthew Kopfhamer:Let's let the yeah. Let's let the rabid dogs off the leash because
Jagger May:it's literally like like,
Matthew Kopfhamer:to to kinda tie it back to to Game of Thrones, it's Tywin letting the mountain loose in the riverlands just to cause chaos. Yes. That's basically what Fisk is doing is, like, let's flood the streets with bullshit and see what comes out.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. I this is so the part that I think kinda set him over is not just it's when you get the sanitation guy who's basically telling him this long drawn out explanation. Just be like, yeah. The paint's
Jagger May:blood. Right.
Alfredo Brown:That's that's the moment where I think Fisk is like, okay. Fuck it. Like, my problems have really crossed over into a territory where mayor Fisk can't handle this. Kingpin needs to work outside the lines and work outside the law. And the way that it just actually correlates way too much to real life.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Like, I don't know if you guys know this, but I was looking this up as well, and the mayor in New York has done something very similar, Eric Adams, where he's done something very he's put together a police task force that, like, has been allowed to, you know, turn off body cams when necessary and do these things. And it's just like there's a lot of parallels to real life. And it does get really scary, but it's I think it's almost necessary for the development of this character of Kingpin to just kinda get him back into something that's you fear it because it's real. You fear it because this can actually happen to you.
Alfredo Brown:He's not just a comic book character anymore. It's beyond that at this point.
Jagger May:Yeah. And, actually, it's because I'm arguing with you, but I'm agreeing with you because they're doing it in a good way, is that I've I was kinda worried, and we we all talked about this, where I didn't want them to make another parody, you know, kinda like The Boys, whatever, where we're taking the kingpin, and we're changing a character and making him Trumpian. In a way, they've done that. They've tied it to reality. They've tied it to, like you said, Eric Adams, but they still kept it kingpin, and they brought it back to us.
Jagger May:You know? Yeah. But, like, it's like, here's how kingpin would handle these incident incidents in our world, and not so much let's shove every social justice problem into into our show to make it relevant. And I think that's pretty brilliant how they've done that. And, actually, now that I think about it, I'd say the breaking point is when Luca comes in and it's just like, fuck you.
Jagger May:Because I think he really he could like, again, it's he had the Homelander face twitch, man. I'm like, oh, kill him. Like, lose it. You know?
Alfredo Brown:I thought he was gonna do it right there.
Jagger May:Exactly, dude. I thought he was gonna go full like, you bashed me in front of Vanessa. Like, I was gonna I expected. You know? So I to me, that was that moment there.
Jagger May:And he's realizing that the mayorship is kind of emasculating because Vanessa has kinda said it. You know? She's been like the snake in his ears. Just like, hey. You know, they think you're kind of a cock, buddy.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yes. I still I honestly still think she's the one behind everything. I think she's the one that put Luca up to do this bank robbery. And she's the one from the shadows who's
Jagger May:trying to
Jagger May:pull a She's the
Alfredo Brown:boss.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Honestly think she's trying to pull a coup and either he's gonna find out first or she's gonna find out about Adam and then just try to like, something's gonna come to a head. And and again, I think she's she is not long for this world.
Alfredo Brown:I think she already knows about Adam. Like, I I think she's too smart to not have her suspicions about Adam and how this guy is just, like, totally off the grid, doesn't exist anymore. Like like, she's not noticing the bloody knuckles on on Wilson all the time. Like, I think she knows, and I think that's why she's playing him. Because he's too distracted with, I'm trying to save my city, and I always put my city first.
Alfredo Brown:But then if the city's first and he's second, that means Vanessa's, like, deep third, like, at least at least at this point. So, yeah, I think I think she's fucking around with it. I think that she is still the one that is kinda behind everything just like you said, cough. Damn. Who was it last episode that said that I think Fisk is gonna kill her with his bare hands?
Jagger May:Hope he I I Yeah. Because I I don't wanna say I hope he does that, but, like, I hope Fisk becomes Fisk again. And, like, Vanessa's such a crucial character that whatever happens is gonna be a big deal for him. And, like, if Vanessa dies, Fisk is, like, off the deep end. I I you know,
Alfredo Brown:like That's the only reason to bring her back into this show after so long.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Especially with this whole, like, we're going to marriage counseling. We're struggling. She cheated on me. He left me.
Alfredo Brown:They they need to make you care about it. They need to make you care about the relationship. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Talking about setup and payoff. Like, this is so much setup that there has to be a huge payoff, which to me, the only logical explanation is either she dies by his hand or somehow she dies and he blames Daredevil for it.
Jagger May:Yeah. And I think that that could happen. I I I definitely think that it's gotta come down to Wilson versus Fisk versus Matt. And, one point that really makes me think that I think Vanessa is behind like, is the boss per se is when she's warning him about all the constituents that they're gonna go to to ask for money. She doesn't reassure him.
Jagger May:She's just like Mhmm. Yeah. You know? Like, you like I said, doesn't you're their little puppet, and, you know, you're you're the the afternoon cock. Good luck.
Jagger May:She doesn't say, like, we're gonna figure it out together, baby. She's just
Alfredo Brown:She kinda wants to see him fail almost. Like, she's reveling in this moment that she gets to watch him squirm and fail in front of these socialites over and over and over. I she's had to do that for so she had to do that for so long. She was a
Jagger May:salesman for these people.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Like, she knows. Like, she's been under their boot forever as just an art dealer, and then she finds someone who she genuinely loves, and then he treats her like shit again. And so if anything, like, what's kinda getting missed in this is not just the evolution of Fisk, but the evolution of Vanessa, where she's gone from, like, caring about people to being like, well, I gotta put me first, and this is the only way to do it is just to keep looking out for myself.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yep. Agree. I agree a
Jagger May:%. And she likes the taste of that power. When you go from an art dealer to where you're you're making big moves like she's been doing, it you can't just go back. You know? It's hard to just go back.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. You get a taste of the head of the boss power. Like, you're not gonna be like, alright. I'm gonna go back from the shadows now.
Alfredo Brown:Mhmm. Guys, please tell me that punisher is just gonna rip through this new task force.
Jagger May:I hope, dude. I fucking
Alfredo Brown:tell me.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Either that
Alfredo Brown:or seen it in the in the F F the mid season.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Fight season.
Alfredo Brown:Well, I don't I don't know. So I I did see in the the midseason trailer, like, that's promoting the second half of of Daredevil born again. We're going to see Punisher in a big fight where he's fucking people up. And I'm thinking this is going to be it because these seem like all the guys are gonna be using his emblem as some sort of, you know, symbol for what they're doing. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:And I, like, I don't think you bring in Punisher for that one scene to be like, what about Foggy Red? Did he get life? And that's it, and you just don't like, you don't see him again. Like, no. We're gonna get some really good payoff with him.
Alfredo Brown:At least that's what I'm hoping for. So I think that's what we're gonna get there. Matt, you mentioned Muse. Oh my gosh. Called you Matt.
Alfredo Brown:I'm sorry. Too much, Daredevil. Cough. You mentioned Muse. This is such an interesting character that I hope we get to learn more about.
Alfredo Brown:It almost feels like he's going to be a tertiary character because we do have because we do have daredevil and kingpin on this just collision course. And that Muse, for as interesting and as, you know, as scary as he could be, I don't think he's gonna be long for this world. I think he's gonna be done within the next episode or two, especially, dude, Daredevil folded him quick. Quick. And Muse looks like he could fight, but Daredevil folded him quick.
Alfredo Brown:It just seems like that's that's not gonna be too much longer here. What do you guys think about this this fight with Daredevil and Muse? Because I thought it was awesome, and you can really see that Matt sort of gets a little bit of an extra superpower when he puts on the suit. I know it's obviously CGI that just makes him fight a little bit better, but there's there's a different person when he puts on that suit.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He lets himself loose when he has the suit on. Yeah.
Jagger May:Because when he's got the protect like like, that that's obviously protective. It's not just, you know, like, cosplay or
Alfredo Brown:whatever. Yeah.
Jagger May:Yeah. And I'm actually happy that kinda muse went out easy. Because I literally thought I was like I was like I literally told my fellow, I was like, Daredevil should just work this nigga like a fucking speed bag. Like, they like, you are an artist and a serial killer. Like, I do not like, I don't want you to automatically, you know, be like a ninja.
Jagger May:I I've watched Daredevil defeat the entire hand in the hospital. Like, I do not want this to be that tough. And they did it perfectly. Yeah. There's a little rust.
Jagger May:I'm gonna get a couple of cuts here and there. But I I think that Muse is a a tool and a plot device and not so much a character that we need to deep dive into. I don't need a a Muse filler. If it's good now they earn my trust now. If I get a good Muse filler, I'm probably here for it.
Jagger May:You know? But I don't need that per se, and I just want him to pay off in some way for Fisk or Matt or Angela at this point.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I could see him because they already teased it in an earlier episode where he approaches Heather, Matt's girlfriend, to be like a patient. So I could absolutely see where he targets her or somehow inadvertently you picks her as a victim, not knowing that there's a connection between, you know, Daredevil Matt being the same person. So that could be what ups the stakes. And while you're right, I think he's more of a tertiary character. It it could be played as, like, Matt has to choose.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Almost almost like a Sophie's Choice where Fisk is doing something that he has to stop, and then Heather's in danger from Muse. And so who does he choose? It's kinda like Batman, Dark Knight where it's like, does he go after, Harvey? Does or does he go after, you know, his love interest?
Alfredo Brown:And and you know what's funny? I would love that you mentioned dark knight because that's kind of how I feel with both daredevil and kingpin is that it's the same thing that Joker mentions. Daredevil won't kill him out of some misplaced sense of self righteousness. And Kingpin isn't killing Daredevil because he's just kinda too much fun. And that's not really how Wilson Fisk feels, but it's the same sort of dynamic between the two of them.
Alfredo Brown:And it feels like they're destined to just to keep doing this over and over and over, which was what makes me feel like Muse is the character that's not long for this world, probably gonna be another episode or two, and it's going to have to be Daredevil that takes him out. And I think this do we think that's the character that pushed him over the edge finally like, he finally kills?
Jagger May:News?
Alfredo Brown:Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Especially if he
Jagger May:He killed 60 people. If there's anyone yeah. I was about to say, like, I was like, man, I think God's gonna yeah. He might he might give you a pass on this one, dog. I don't know.
Jagger May:He's literally killing people and then making creepy mirrors off in New York.
Alfredo Brown:God's just looking down like, I get it. I get it. Yeah.
Jagger May:It's like God's like, maybe I made maybe I do make mistakes. And it was this. Fix this
Matthew Kopfhamer:one, why don't you, Matt? Please please don't
Jagger May:take it. Yeah. I know. It's just like, come on, Matt. Like like, I I know you gotta carry a little bit of that Catholic guilt, but I think right now right now, God's on your side.
Alfredo Brown:So I have a little bit of a theory here, and I wanna see what you guys think of it because I know that in the teaser trailer going forward for the rest of the season, we see that bull's eye is still there. Mhmm. He's still going to be in this and and he does the whole, like, you know, removing the tooth and and all that. And, like, that's that's the whole thing from the comics. I'm curious as to what could be happening there to make him relevant.
Alfredo Brown:Could this be something where Fisk says, this guy was a good soldier for me? Maybe we take him out. We have him become part of this little group of renegade rogue cops that I have, and he's the one that they answer to because he'll answer to me.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yep. That's a good idea.
Jagger May:Yep. You nailed it. I had no notes.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. No notes. No notes.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yep. Like, I I want Muse to be something to set Fisk off and or or Matt, and that's a little cat because, like, Muse is a problem for both of them. I want Muse to set both of them off, and then Matt goes back to, like, almost killing people. He's like, I won't kill you, but my hospital bills will.
Jagger May:Your hospital bills will. And then I want Fisk to be like, you know what? Where's homeboy at? Let's get the band back together. You know?
Jagger May:And he's mayor now, so it's probably a lot easier for him to get to get him out of jail.
Alfredo Brown:Bullseye is his Elon Musk, bro. He's just gonna throw him in there and be like, hey. Go run this department for me.
Jagger May:Yep. I could see I could definitely see it being oh god.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I could see it being fist viewing it as, like, killing two birds with one stone where he's like, I'll set bullseye off. He'll take out both Daredevil and Muse, and then I'll clean up this whole vigilante thing in one night.
Jagger May:Yeah. I like that too. It the bar for me is low. Like, Bullseye is such a cool character because he's just a psycho. Him just not being in prison is a problem.
Jagger May:You know? The story writes itself. However he gets out of prison, I'm cool with. Just don't make it, like, a scroll or something. It doesn't need be complicated.
Jagger May:You know? Just get him out
Alfredo Brown:of jail.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It was a scroll.
Alfredo Brown:So okay.
Jagger May:Exactly. I don't want that. Wait.
Alfredo Brown:Please no. Please no. No more references to Secret
Matthew Kopfhamer:Invader, please. Marvel. Terrible show.
Alfredo Brown:Just let it go. Just let it go. Please don't do it again. Well, guys, where do where do you guys think this show is truly going to be headed for the finale? Do we still have any, any gas left in the foggy might not be dead theory?
Matthew Kopfhamer:They keep referencing him. So they they can't keep bringing him up without it still being like, I think you might be right. I think he's coming back. Just because of how now we have Punisher mention him. We have a whole referent like, a whole scene with, like, Heather and him almost not talking about him, but also, like, talking about him through the way they're acting.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I don't know. I I feel like a show wouldn't keep bringing up a character like this if they're not gonna bring him back in some form.
Jagger May:Well, it's also like they do this in every show. Your your friend or spouse that dies, it's like a ghost that haunts you. Yeah. So, like, I'm willing to leave that open. And I guess where I'm at is if Foggy comes back, I want it to be a setup and segue to season two.
Alfredo Brown:Yes.
Jagger May:And unless they do it just perfect, I don't need it to be a part of season one's resolution. You know? I feel like there's too much going on, and I need a lot elsewhere to clean up or something to where if Foggy would be like, hey. I'm back, Matt. Sorry.
Jagger May:I had some shit happen. That I'm just like, wait. I I don't need this many distractions.
Alfredo Brown:I I kind of almost want it the way they did at the end of Batman Begins where it's just Jim Gordon on the rooftop, and he's like, we've got a madman. This is his calling card, and he just flips it, and that's it. That's all you get. So I kinda wanna, like, Matt Murdock gets a letter that's just anonymous letter, but there's something in there that tips him off that it's still foggy, that foggy could be alive. Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:And, like, that's sort of the thing that just boom, like, triggers off into the next season. I will probably have to get some sort of a flashback for that. Or Mhmm. I also saw Karen Page is going to be in one of the upcoming episodes. She's like now she's a redhead, and there could be something that Karen references there that then gets referenced to bring back Foggy.
Alfredo Brown:So we've got three episodes left of this show, and they're bringing back Bullseye. They're bringing back Karen, potentially bringing back Foggy. We still need to get more Punisher. We, what what's gonna go on with Angela Del Toro? And and meanwhile, we've got this whole thing with with Muse that's still going on, and I wanna get some good payoff with Heather Glenn.
Alfredo Brown:And then the the collision course, the eventual collision course that is Daredevil and Kingpin. So this this show's got a lot to wrap up in in three episodes, and maybe they don't wrap it all up. But I think the the immediate story lines, they're gonna have to, and it's gonna be it's gonna be some tight work that they have to do.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, for boys? They've got their work cut out for But I think they've proven that they can do it. They can land this ship.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so far, it's been it's been a really good show. So far Mhmm. Would you say it's been the best Marvel TV show we've gotten?
Alfredo Brown:Is it right up there with Wanda, Loki? Koff, we know you gave Agatha a 12 out of 10.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So where are you? It's in the top tier, for sure.
Jagger May:Okay. I think it's the best it's the best in in its genre, you know, of ground level. And I mean, like, they tried that with She Hulk. They've tried look. Moon Knight didn't do this cutter.
Jagger May:Like, Moon Knight gave us, like, the best acts of secrets ever. Just never did that shit ever again. I I I never understand that show. But I Loki's still s tier for me. But, man, like Matt said, like, I I need trust, and they've built that for me in episode six.
Jagger May:And I think that they can reach that bar.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think we're back, guys. I think we're we're almost there.
Jagger May:We back. We back.
Alfredo Brown:We back. We we here.
Jagger May:We
Alfredo Brown:here. Alright. I think that's gonna do it for us today, guys. Once again, as always, I just wanna remind everybody, make sure that you are subscribed to the channel here on YouTube or on Apple or Spotify wherever you get your podcast. Like this video.
Alfredo Brown:Comment down below with your thoughts on the episode or any of your thoughts on our theories or discussion or breakdown that we had here. And, also, we're gonna be talking about a bunch of other shows. We we just finished Severance season two. We got the White Lotus going on, Black Mirror, Last of Us, Andor, the studio. So many great different shows coming up very soon here on UnBinge.
Alfredo Brown:So as always, I wanna thank you guys for watching and listening all the way through for myself, for Koff, for Jagger. We'll see you next time.
