On today's show, we're gonna be discussing our theories for the White Lotus season three episode seven titled killer instincts, and we're gonna be answering the biggest questions. Like, first of how can we also get $10,000 in our Cash App account? Because that would be great. And then taking a look at Rick's revenge, sort of. I think every time I push someone over, that would be revenge.
Speaker 1:And then Saxon, he's going on his own spiritual journey here trying to connect. When he reaches out, it's not there. And then also, we're just gonna update our odds on who do we think is dying at the end. All that and more on an all new episode of Unbinged starting.
Speaker 2:This is your spoiler warning for our White Lotus episode. If you haven't caught up, now's your chance. Go watch and come back. Until then, don't complain to us.
Speaker 1:Or you could complain to us. Honestly, you can't. People are gonna do it anyways. People you know, people already complained that we're a day late. And I'm sorry for that everybody.
Speaker 2:That's your
Speaker 1:fault. Is. It is. It's my fault. Everyone listening, watching, as you can see, I'm in basically an empty room here.
Speaker 1:I just moved to a new house. I'm I'm so sorry. Please forgive us here. Which is why I'd also like to get $10,000 in my Venmo or Cash App or PayPal or Zelle or he just listed all of them. Like, Alexi had no problem just jumping.
Speaker 1:Google Pay, Apple Pay. Koff, V Bucks, she's she's playing Fortnite. Koff, you were, like, quick to say, like, man, he, he approached her at the wrong time. Honestly, I think he approached her at the exact right time. Poised, post, postcoital bliss right there for Laurie.
Speaker 2:I I don't know, man. There's there's a little bit of that post nut clarity too that I feel like she sees through his mother is sick at home. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think she was one of the she was in a situation where she's like, this is real awkward. If I say yes, maybe I'll get out of it sooner versus, you know, actually doing it.
Speaker 1:You think he does this with, like, all of the the the guests at the hotel that he runs into?
Speaker 3:Exactly. That's literally what what I was gonna say, man. He he's like a salesman, whether it's, you know
Speaker 2:He's a Lothario.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I was gonna say whether he's trying to sell his own his own Johnson or he's trying to sell a timeshare in Thailand. He's got his whole spiel. You know, I'm surprised he's just like, here's here's my Linktree. Link in the bio.
Speaker 2:You know? He's just trying to get it out.
Speaker 3:Like, a discount code. You know? Does ZipRecruiter have a code for it?
Speaker 1:If if this was 1995, he would have his own CDs that he's selling out of his trunk of his car in Thailand.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Mhmm. Exactly. Yeah. It's I'm sure he was screaming in Russian, don't speak in Russian.
Speaker 3:He's like, baby, I'm working. He's like, how do you think I could afford all this? You know how many white women it took for me to get this? We
Speaker 2:need we need one of our subscribers to help translate that scene for us because I think you're right, Jack. I think that's what he was yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yes. Yes. Also, I I kinda wanna ask you guys this. All the the the jewels and stuff and the gold that was robbed from the jewelry store is just sort of hanging out on the table.
Speaker 1:In his closet?
Speaker 2:How we
Speaker 1:yeah. Like, how is that stuff, like, not already sold, hocked? Like, you wanna get rid of that stuff ASAP or you drive farther away like
Speaker 2:You need a fence. You need a Thank
Speaker 3:you. I was like, here's Yes.
Speaker 2:Someone that cleans it and sells it for you.
Speaker 1:I don't you're Okay. Yeah. I don't do illegal things. So yeah.
Speaker 3:I do. I do in video games. You can't just launder items and especially stuff like jewelry and things like Those are, yeah, those are all traceable. So you can't just go and hawk them to your average pawnshop. And a lot of those are gonna get sold illegally through, like, cop said, a fencer.
Speaker 3:A lot of those, like, who are fences, most of them are, like, fine art dealers because art is where a lot of people keep their money and stuff like that in jewels. So
Speaker 1:But even so, like, what if what if you at least
Speaker 2:have a little more hidden? You would think, but he's kind of dumb. Criminals are dumb. They that's what they do. They get cocky.
Speaker 2:If they don't get if they don't get caught, they get cocky.
Speaker 1:That's why they do. Remember? Sorry to all of our subscribers that also do crime. You're not dumb. Thanks for
Speaker 3:If no one knows you do crime, you're good. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You're smart. Yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It's when you get caught that you're dumb. And they got caught by Guy Talk and by Laurie today this episode. So they are double dumb.
Speaker 3:Keeping stashing shit in your own house is rule number one, dude. Stupid. It's so stupid. Like, you can watch one the like, the first two episodes of The Wire, and it'll teach
Speaker 2:you not to do shit
Speaker 3:like that. This is this is bad crime.
Speaker 1:Just you're just like you pan over and you see on Alexei's TV, he's watching episode one of The Wire. He just hasn't gotten that far.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah. That's
Speaker 2:episode two shit. I'm sorry. I love that Alexi. You got I know Russia's behind on a lot of American media.
Speaker 1:Like, they just got entourage over there, man.
Speaker 3:Oh, man.
Speaker 1:Okay. So I this scene was so much fun because not only was it I think it finally made the I don't know what it's called, but the three white women, the three blonde women. It it made their story a little
Speaker 2:more Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because like everything for them was so self contained. If I hate you, I hate you. You've been a bitch since as long as I've known you. And now it's just like, okay, we're really getting a bit more intertwined even though they've been around these three guys. But it's seeing seeing the stolen goods, her getting propositioned for money, and then like the bare ass escape, like having to get her clothes on and Carrie Coon.
Speaker 1:Nice. Good good athleticism to hop out the window there. And then I I gotta say, one of the funniest moments of the entire season is the dick slap, on Alexi when his girlfriend comes in and just gives him a good just whack a mole right on the tip. Mean, that shit is just funny.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Is it, like, a half mass?
Speaker 1:Do you guys think that was a stunt penis? Or, are we we we talking real thing here?
Speaker 3:That was stunt. That had been a suck. Yeah. You if he did, that is some commitment to acting to just sit there and accept a penis slap because, like, I couldn't even, like, pretend and not flinch. Like, as soon as she, like, would reach back, I would be like,
Speaker 1:oh, what's his name? I think Glenn Powell did it. I think I think didn't Glenn Powell do that with with with with Sidney Sweeney. Dang it. Sidney Sweeney.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like, I think that was real. Because some of
Speaker 3:these moments that watch that movie. You know.
Speaker 1:I didn't see it either, but I heard about that one part.
Speaker 3:The streets were dark.
Speaker 2:Okay. As
Speaker 1:as soon as Sidney Sweeney slaps a dick, everyone's like, wait a second. We have to stop. Was this real?
Speaker 3:The dick slap heard around the world. Gotcha.
Speaker 2:I just
Speaker 3:missed it.
Speaker 2:Speaking of Sydney, not to derail things, but she's she's, she's single again.
Speaker 1:Gonna move past that. You definitely derailed me from the day. You said not to derail things, and you could not have derailed it more.
Speaker 2:She'll be she'll be in a gun. Like when you say like when you say no offense, and then you offend.
Speaker 1:Nope. Not the same thing.
Speaker 2:Not the same thing. You know
Speaker 1:what you don't have? You know what you don't have, cough? It's killer instincts. That was the title of this episode That's called a segue cough. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's professional right there.
Speaker 2:Same. Rough you by segue.
Speaker 1:So in this episode, it's titled killer instincts. And I think they're at least for me, there's three characters that I think were the main focus of this. And I would say, obviously, first one is guy talk. Right? The whole thing of his his dynamic, his relationship with Mook and and and his responsibility at the hotel and then seeing the three Russian gentlemen there.
Speaker 1:Right? I would say Tim is the other one, and it's all about he keeps having these dreams, these visions of not only killing himself, but
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Killing his wife. Now killing his son with this misplaced sense of responsibility or debt to them that he's ruined their lives. And then the last one is Rick. Like Rick gets to this moment he's been waiting for his whole life and he can't pull the trigger either. And it was like it was actually almost a little funny to me when he was doing, like, the reach back, like, about to punch Jim Hollander, and then he didn't, and he did it twice.
Speaker 1:And I thought it was gonna be, like, two for flinching, boom boom, and just, like, give him a couple shots. And then he just does the absolute funniest choice possible, which is like, I'm just gonna push you down and walk away, old man. And and they just go. This was this was a really funny episode because it almost feels like nobody has this killer instinct, and it really tied into, the Buddhism of it all and how violence is is not the answer for so many of these characters.
Speaker 3:I think it also kinda proves into the, the point that having a killer instinct means that you're actually good at killing to an extent, or or a lot of these people get good at killing. And that means that it leaves a lot of room for accidents because, like, I'm if anything, I'm still all in on this theory that, a, they're gonna the smoothie it's checkoff smoothie. Hashtag checkoff smoothie, everyone. Like, we keep seeing this blender. They keep making it the central focus.
Speaker 3:We heard about the suicide, seed. And I also think the white ladies are in danger because we didn't just see Guy talk see the Russians. He saw who the Russians are associating with. So when he's gonna start doing his Magnum PI shit, Thailand, you know, CSI Thailand, he's gonna start with them. And this guy doesn't know how to use a gun.
Speaker 3:You know? He's he's both Tweedledee and Tweedledum in this scenario. And and he's gonna try to to to do what? To to stop a robbery that's already happened and to prove to his girlfriend that he's not, let's just say it, kind of a little bitch. Because like I said last episode, guys.
Speaker 2:Hey. That that scene, oh, that dinner scene, man, made me so uncomfortable because you could tell, like, he is a man with principles, like
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Respect to him having those moral values being like, I am not the person that can do violent acts against other people. And she's like, but don't you wanna be with me and be successful and be ambitious? And it's like, oh, that felt so icky to me. The way she tried to steer him towards one path even though it goes against everything that he has, you know, built his life up towards. Like, he is a kind person.
Speaker 2:We have seen that time and time again. And for her to try to push him to this other path just felt so disingenuous, and it really made me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3:And before anyone says anything, because I know we're gonna see in the comments, I'm on the Internet, this isn't some BS. Well, this is what women do to guy shit. Leave that shit somewhere else. Don't bring this here. People suck, and I think Mook sucks.
Speaker 3:And I will give her benefit of the doubt, and you guys let me know. I've never been to this part of the country. I'm learning that I'm extremely ignorant on Southeast Asia. So, like, is this, like, a cultural thing that I'm missing here? Yeah.
Speaker 3:I do read a lot of books, just not those. And and maybe maybe I like I said, I'm missing something here that fighting is pretty normal, Muay Thai, all that stuff that, like, maybe this type of masculine culture is kinda normal there. But for me, it really did feel like I want you to be this and I want the whole alpha masculine thing. And sometimes even women can push that same bullshit onto men. Because like I said, I felt like she was worse than his boss.
Speaker 3:His boss was just like, you ain't a killer dog. Everybody loves you. You nice as hell. Mook was just like, you should feel shame.
Speaker 2:Yep. It was just very strange because Mhmm. Why is she trying to push him to this? Like, if is she is she interested in him or is she yeah. Like, it just it just felt so weird that she's trying to change this person she's known forever.
Speaker 2:It's like, either you're interested or you're not. Like, stop trying to change somebody else to fit your mold. Like that Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's exactly it. I I think that's what it is. It's trying to have your cake and eat it too. And honestly, I call this finding the poop. Like, there's a dirty diaper and Yes.
Speaker 1:Mook Mook has some poop. She's got some shit going in the in back of her in the background of her life that's got her all fucked up. Because right now, what she's doing is she's had this first of all, this is Lalisa who's like just a incredibly famous superstar over there. Beautiful girl. Like, no matter what you do to the character, you can't hide this beautiful woman.
Speaker 1:Like, what's going on with her? If she's interested in other dudes, why is she not dating these other dudes or other types? Excuse me. And so she finds this security and a nice man that'll never cheat on her. That's always her friend.
Speaker 1:She's kinda strung along, it seems like for a long time. And now that there's potential for it to be real, she really wants him to be her type of guy. And she's almost gaslighting him into believing. It's like, the only way you and I could ever be together is if you're more of a man, and you you you fight for your relationship. And it's just like, what kind of daddy issues are going on here?
Speaker 1:Like, there there's
Speaker 3:there's something. You validated me because I had the same thought. Because, like, we don't get a lot of Mook's perspective. Everything is kinda guy talk and how he sees from how he sees things from Mook. So sometimes I wish I would know what's going in her brain because you nailed it.
Speaker 3:It's like she has her own fantasy of these dangerous guards that she pointed out in, like, the first episode. And Mhmm. They're kinda, like, blowing smoke in her face too. Like, go on, little girl. You know, you don't you don't want a guy like me.
Speaker 3:And then she's like, well, do. And now I'm gonna go over this perfectly nice man, and I wanna make him the, the the gruff guy that I've imagined. And it could it could be daddy issues, could, again, could be a fantasy, but it's just you can't force people to be what they are. It's like, cough, you said it, man. You either love them or you don't.
Speaker 3:You know? Like like, I love muscle mommies, but, you know, I gotta love who I love. You can't just force everyone to be a muscle mommy. It's like
Speaker 2:Perfect to know. No.
Speaker 1:You cannot. Yeah. No. White Lotus, muscle mommies, guy talk,
Speaker 3:guns. Hand in hand.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Season four. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Buddhism. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Buddhism. That was it's a cult.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love I love her. I love Victoria so much. She's my favorite character. She is. Is he hurting you?
Speaker 2:My god.
Speaker 1:Dude, is she getting exactly what she wants? I'm praying to Jesus that she has a terrible time there, and she was. Piper was having the worst time ever at the monastery. So the beds are uncomfortable, the food kinda sucks. I'm hearing this water dripping all night.
Speaker 1:Like, she she it reminds me a lot of Sydney Sweeney's character from season one who kind of Mhmm. Scoffs at her parents for everything of, you know, you guys live this life of luxury and the riches and look at all these people around us that are suffering. And in the moment she has to experience any of it, she's like, never mind. I kinda like being a rich And Piper Piper feels like, honestly, she did this just so that she can continue to be the black sheep of the family, so to speak. And now when Lachlan wants to do it too, she's like, oh, I'm not really defying mom and dad.
Speaker 1:Lachlan wants to do this too. And then I think she also kinda realizes like, wait, he's a little bit weirder than I ever thought. Because both she and Saxon were fighting for Lachlan or or or just trying to, like, have this hold on their brother. And now it's kinda like no one wants to be around him, and it's, it's definitely a very weird dynamic that's that's been going on there.
Speaker 3:See, I didn't take exactly what you did as far as I'm doing this so I can be my family's edge lord kind of. I took it more in the sense that she wants to be different from her family for sure, and then her interaction with Lachlan just gave her the It's more like, I'm trying to get away from y'all. It's like, love you. You're my little brother, but, like yeah. It it it felt like when you wanna go hang out with your friends, and they're like, well, you gotta bring your brother or your sister with you as well, but, like, for, like, a year.
Speaker 2:But it's also one
Speaker 1:of those things where you
Speaker 3:Kokov.
Speaker 2:Sorry. I I I was just gonna say, I think it's also like, this is her version of rebelling like you said. Like, she's not gonna cut her hair and dye it crazy colors and go, you know, paint the town red, but she will like go learn Buddhist teachings from, you know, in Thailand. And that's gonna freak her parents out as it did her mom. So she knows what buttons will get a reaction out of her parents and her family.
Speaker 2:And while it is an escape route for her to get that distance, get away from, you know, that dynamic, like you said, as soon as her brother expressed any interest is like, I could join you, it completely turns the idea off for her as an option because it's no longer this is my thing. Now it becomes, oh, crap. This is another family thing.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. And that's exactly it. It's not just that it's not her thing. It's that when she approaches the the leader of the monastery and he's asking why do you wanna be here? Essentially, she just goes in this long diatribe about how she is personally lost.
Speaker 1:Not any real reason that she wants to connect with Buddhism or or or or find any type of enlightenment is simply just that she is lost, which is why so many people even go to religion in the first place. Right? And so I think it was once she realizes like, oh, Lachlan is also lost, and it seems like Saxon is also lost, and everyone in the family is also lost. Maybe I'm not the weird one and maybe I can just go find myself and enlighten myself in a different, more convenient way back in North Carolina
Speaker 2:My comfort.
Speaker 1:Where, I don't have to, you know, eat shitty food and sleep on shitty beds.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And it's like the these are I I genuinely feel more and more sorry for the Ratliff kids the more that I see them because it's
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 3:They're just products of their environment because that's they were they're lost because I don't they've ever been taught that they could be whatever they wanna be. Does that make sense? Like, Saxon's like, if all I have is that's what I'm saying. If all I have is this that's like I saw a random post. Someone just like, do you guys really think Saxon's that deep?
Speaker 3:And I'm like, no. Saxon is not deep, and he's been he's done drugs, and he's had girls tell him he's not that repeatedly. And he's in a place where he's away from his phone where he can experience this. So, like, yes, you're correct. They didn't write magically gets deep, but we are seeing a character be self aware.
Speaker 3:And we're kinda seeing that with all three of them.
Speaker 2:We saw his ego literally shatter in front of our eyes when Chelsea points out, that's you in thirty years. You're gonna be one of these weird old men in another country picking up beautiful women because you have money. And you literally see him break in front of her. And that's what opened him up to later in the episode. Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's still a creep. He still wanted to fuck her. But like he was opening up a little bit to the spirituality of what she believed. And so you're right. He's just as lost as his other two siblings.
Speaker 2:He just go trying to find it in a different douchier way. But I think we may see him in the finale actually get a little bit of a breakthrough and maybe come out of this as a slightly better person, hopefully.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And to be fair, I don't she was being mean, man. Like, they are called losers back home. Saxon's not a loser back home. All those guys were a bunch of, like, Musk and Bezoses that were little nerds who got money and something, but I'm not trying to defend Saxon on there.
Speaker 3:But I do wanna bring up a point that I still think I love Chelsea, but she is one of those toxic positive people that drive me nuts. I live in Northern Colorado with all these hippie people, and they're like, well, we are all positivity in this, but they straight up bully people with like, you're so soulless. Blah blah blah. Like, how is that a productive way to yeah. I was like, how how is that a productive way to to teach someone who's like ten years younger than you?
Speaker 3:Maybe not that much, but I would just say a tear in age younger than you. It just I just wanted to get that out of the way. She kinda pissed me off a little bit with that.
Speaker 1:And you know what's crazy is I
Speaker 2:think that her character is pretty much the only one in this show that can
Speaker 1:pull that off because her character has been so likable throughout this whole thing. Yeah. Potentially, even the only likable character throughout this whole thing.
Speaker 2:From the
Speaker 3:jump. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Right. Like, since episode one. Because I think every character has had a moment where you're just like, ugh. I I I hate you.
Speaker 1:Like, I don't I don't even like Piper anymore. Like, after everything she's done to make her family come all the way over here, and then, none of the three women, whether it's Laurie, Jacqueline, Kate, any of them, like, there's I don't know if there's a truly redeeming character on the show except for Chelsea. And then I think this is her one flaw is that she is so up her own ass about her spirituality now that she she's coming off a little pretentious. But I find it to be interesting how she says that she and Rick are each other's yin and yang, hope and pain. When I actually think that there's a really interesting dynamic here where she is an abundance of spirituality and belief while Saxon had none.
Speaker 1:Saxon had no moral building blocks, no spirituality. She calls him soulless, and he's willing to learn. He's willing to learn. He's willing to reach out literally and figuratively. And, Cough, what you were saying, and, Jack, what you were saying about, like, Saxon is shedding this armor, so to speak.
Speaker 1:Right? Because he's finally vulnerable. He's realizing that he can't control business. He can't control women. And his entire identity, like what he says to his dad, is success.
Speaker 1:And he just straight up says, if I don't have that, I have nothing. So what does he do? Next thing he hears is that you're gonna be one of those old bald guys. You have no soul. And he's just like, damn.
Speaker 1:I really don't have shit. I have nothing. And one of my favorite theories about this has been that Saxon is the character that we all really love to hate early on in the season as the most detestable character potentially in White Lotus history. But now, he might actually be the guy that we're rooting for, and there are some similarities, some comps to Buddha himself and going from this, life of riches and renouncing it and having this spiritual awakening. It's such a small thing that we've seen now with Saxon, but I'm so interested in seeing where this goes in the next episode.
Speaker 3:And it's Could you imagine?
Speaker 2:I was gonna say, could you imagine if Saxon's the one that stays behind to go to the monastery? And then Piper and Lachlan go back to Carolina?
Speaker 3:Yeah. That's what I gonna
Speaker 2:might be the twist.
Speaker 3:It's a departure because, like, I don't think we've ever seen the douchebag of the season really improve as a person. I think Plop from season one realized that maybe this is my fault. Maybe
Speaker 1:I'm have to call him Plop.
Speaker 3:I I genuinely do not know that character's name.
Speaker 2:I know the actor's name. I know Jake Lacey. I don't know that character's name.
Speaker 3:It's Plop. It's it's evil Plop. Evil Plop. Yeah. If he can if he kind of just said, wow.
Speaker 3:Maybe I'm a dick, but I don't think he actually learned anything from that lesson because his wife kinda came back. And then we Theo James' character, I don't think he learned shit. If anything, he corrupted the other couple couple. Maybe we actually see a flip flop where some of the worst people that we don't like grow, and then some of these characters that we do like regress. Because I'm curious about how Chelsea handles the growth and the because we kinda skipped over that, over Rick's character here.
Speaker 3:He genuinely seems happy, and he's just like, wow. I've made a
Speaker 2:fan out this person.
Speaker 3:You think it
Speaker 2:is? I don't I don't think
Speaker 1:he seems really happy.
Speaker 2:He's There's a moment when
Speaker 3:doing lines, and he's not even doing vocal.
Speaker 1:I think he's trying to distract himself because he got to this big moment and realized it was not what it was supposed to be, And he I don't think he knows how to even react at this point. So he's like, alright. We're good. We made it out of there alive. I confronted this.
Speaker 1:I got, quote, closure, which know the fuck he didn't. He just pushed an old man to the floor, and he's like, well, you know what a whole bunch of closures? Let's go let's go paint the down red.
Speaker 2:Paint the down red.
Speaker 1:And get hookers and blow. Like, I mean, it's just that's I I don't think he genuinely has closure. I still have him on, dead body watch. He's he's still my number one.
Speaker 3:I do think he can die. Everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I was I was just gonna agree with Alfredo with what he said because that look that you saw on his face when he denies the line and he's got this like kind of contentment on his face, I think that's just that's gonna be gone by the next morning because the reality of what he did is gonna hit him and the fact that it meant nothing. Like he got nothing of substance from that experience. He didn't, I mean, he couldn't even If anything,
Speaker 1:he ruined his friend's life.
Speaker 2:Of killing the guy. Yeah. He kicked him off his sobriety train, and now all hell's gonna break loose when Sam Rockwell tries to be a little Asian girl again.
Speaker 3:I will say I don't think he deliberately did it. Like, because he just said come help me with this thing. He didn't say let's have whiskey. He never, like, did that. Like
Speaker 2:No. You want to sleep him after drinking.
Speaker 1:Okay. Hold on. Let's let's talk about this. That's any of us are going to anything where we're like, hey, man. I really need you to help me out with this.
Speaker 1:We're giving each other some kind of prep. There's zero chance that we're like, hey. We need to pull off this very elaborate ruse so that can go to the other room and kill this guy, and then we gotta go. They had no fucking plan. So, like, one, I do not think they were contract killers, and two, I think they were just really shitty con men, very similar to Greg Gary.
Speaker 3:I guess so. I mean, you're right about the prep time on there because they didn't have they didn't talk about movies or anything. He's just like, hey. Wear this hat. You're a renter now.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It's like A Lowe's hat. Foot on the butt. I'll give you I'll give you credit, but, like, addiction's hard, and people don't realize just how sensitive you are. But my point is is, like, statistically, Frank was going to relapse at some point at any and I guess this is me.
Speaker 3:I'm I'm marrying a social worker who specializes in addiction. I was just like, buddy, if you you need to leave the city if you're gonna be sober. Most people relapse quicker than that. So I don't know. It is I don't know.
Speaker 2:But still, Rick was not a good friend in that moment. He should he should have done something to if you heard your friend tell you the story that Sam Rockwell, Frank told Rick, and then the next night, he's like, you know what? One whiskey won't hurt. Two whiskeys won't hurt. That's when you gotta be like, buddy, let's let's pump the brakes because things are going in a direction that I don't know if any of us are gonna be comfortable with.
Speaker 3:I think Okay. Rick needed a friend. He just picked the wrong one. Like, basically, I'm saying, I don't think Rick was being selfish. I think Rick needed help.
Speaker 3:He's the only guy that was there. And then because he went and got help from them, he ended up hurting his friend, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Right. Know? Because, like, Rick is so unfortunately.
Speaker 3:I I guess. I hate the word use is my thing because it makes me feel like, well, I'm gonna manipulate him. It's just like Rick is literally dealing with ball and anxiety and about to crash out, and then you shouldn't go to your other friend who is moments from crashing out for a different reason.
Speaker 2:It's unintentional. Like, he wasn't going out of his way to hurt his friend, but it was unintentional because he didn't think of the consequences of his action because it again, goes to no goddamn prep plan. Like, what are we doing here? At least put five minutes into like, what's our backstory?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Where does where does Frank slash Steve sitting with Sitala and watching her old hip hop videos? Like, where does that rank in scenes for this show? Because I think that's probably, like, number two right after the Cash App thing.
Speaker 3:Oh, you see? I it's it's up there. He was, like, way he was way into it. Was about to say, like, let's let's flip this. You wanna talk about being a great friend?
Speaker 3:He committed, dude. He was just like he's just like, we're leave you with Frick. He's like, it's Steve, and he was just, like, locked in to, like, the movies pointed out. He wasn't just, like, phoning it in like a little kid. You know?
Speaker 3:Oh, that's great. This is fun. Like, he committed to the role. So you wanna talk about the two most most supportive people in the show? It's Chelsea, and it's our boy, Frank the Tank.
Speaker 3:Frank the tank. When she's asking,
Speaker 1:when she's like, yes. So you're
Speaker 2:basing this she didn't even say you're basing the character off. She's like, tell me about the character.
Speaker 1:And she's like, she's a former prostitute that's now a madam, and it's just like, oh, dog. As soon as he started saying that, was like, it's over.
Speaker 3:It's over. Zero prep.
Speaker 1:Okay. So I wanna ask this about the the whole thing with Rick and Jim Hollinger. I wanted more. And I understand that that's probably the point of this scene is that not everything gets closure, and we may even potentially have Rick die without getting real closure. And I understand that is real life.
Speaker 1:Did that scene bother you? Because I feel like there was just quite literally one or two more sentences of dialogue that I think would have made the scene better. He could still push him down. He could still run away. He could still not find his closure.
Speaker 1:But damn, just like one sentence. If Jim Hollinger says what was that? Gretchen? Right? Was was the
Speaker 2:Gloria. Name? I think it was Gloria.
Speaker 1:Okay. Gloria. Now we're now semantics at this point. Yeah. Mommy.
Speaker 1:But yeah. But, like, once he says that name, we couldn't get, like, one follow-up. Like, anything? Nothing? We got nothing out of that.
Speaker 1:And that's been this big rising action all the way throughout the season for something so anticlimactic. If if you if you guys if you did not like that, let us know in the comments as well because I think the point may have been just to leave it as something totally unresolved and something anticlimactic because that's the point. It's for Rick to feel like this thing controlled his life. But as a viewer Yeah. It bothered me more than it should have.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And I
Speaker 2:think That's exactly what the point is.
Speaker 3:That's
Speaker 2:Because it's meant to be unresolved.
Speaker 3:And I think it's setting up to where like, the whole show is like you could call this a a slight misunderstanding, the TV show, you know, where and especially when you're in that high stress of environment, when you're in a rich guy's house pointing a gun at him, you're just kinda thinking, get the fuck out. Like, should he have stayed and gotten more? Yes. But in this case and you know me, man. I'm hater supreme that I'm willing to trust Mike White that that moment and the fact that he didn't get something is set up for something bigger.
Speaker 3:So
Speaker 2:Exactly. And you can tell And also These two characters sorry, Alfredo. These two characters were basically playing two different scenes. Jim, the whole time was like, you lost me. I I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:And Rick is just going forward with this. He's basically doing a monologue dump onto Jim about, you know, you ruined my life. You killed my daddy. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And Jim's
Speaker 1:They did the Scarlet Witch in Thanos.
Speaker 3:Yes. I don't even know who
Speaker 2:you are. But there was a moment there was a moment where he repeats the name of the mother and there's like a little light bulb. And I think, Alfredo, you brought this up earlier about the Rick is just Buddy the elf and and Jim here is James Conn's character where he's like, I don't have a son. What do you oh, Jesus Christ. Maybe I do.
Speaker 1:Oh, might.
Speaker 2:So Yeah. So I could absolutely see that being the twist in the in the quote unquote, the twist in the finale being that, oh my god. I pushed over my father. He hit his head. He actually dies on the way to the hospital.
Speaker 2:Holy shit. I killed my father. And that could be and then that could be the the closure, if you will, for Rick's story because he almost full circles himself. Like, or, you know, or fuck. I can't even speak today.
Speaker 1:When you say you full circle yourself, that definitely sounds dirty.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That sounds right. The the snake getting the serpent eating its own tail or I can't say it's No. Called an oar
Speaker 1:boy. That sounds worse.
Speaker 3:It's a oar boy.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 3:It's tattooed on me.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Jack, dingestripping.
Speaker 2:I got
Speaker 1:really overtly sexual here.
Speaker 3:Yeah. You know I barely wear shirts. I only do it for the pod, so I could have been ready to scream an ass cough.
Speaker 2:See? We should have more prep time. This is this is all I'll
Speaker 1:say this. I'll say this. I do think that there are there is a payoff here. And one of the things is that Rick no longer has the gun, which I think is was weird for him to dispose of the gun. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And like a trash can. I understand why, but that's one less gun. So we need to do the gun count here. Because right now, gun count, we've got guy talk. We've got the Russians.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh. And And
Speaker 2:the two security guards. Jim's two security guards.
Speaker 1:The bodyguards. The bodyguards. Yes.
Speaker 2:Bodyguards. Yes.
Speaker 3:That's five. So that's the thing.
Speaker 1:So I think that I think what could happen here is I think you get the bodyguards coming back to the hotel to try to get Rick before he and Chelsea can leave. Mhmm. And then now this has me thinking Chelsea might be the one who dies. I
Speaker 3:did did I don't know. I know you're in flux right now. You normally watch, Alfredo, but there there was, like, a a post credit not I'm not trying to sound like Marvel, whatever, preview scene, and they looked super happy like Chelsea and Rick. You know? Like like, Rick act it looked like a like a Kodak moment, essentially.
Speaker 3:And that seemed like the classic not not Pain is an escape. Disaster. Yeah. Exactly. It felt very foreshadowing.
Speaker 3:So I think you could be right that it could be Chelsea. It could be Rick. And it's gonna be the, like, I'm your daddy. And he's like, what? And then pow pow or something happens.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, man. So okay. So we've got the bodyguards coming back, coming after Rick, we believe. Right? Guy talk and the Russians.
Speaker 1:And I think we can end up with some sort of a shootout there. I'm very intrigued here now because okay. This this has me asking the questions now, guys, of who do we think is dying at the end. I think there's some connections here to be made. So I think Sitalon, Jim's bodyguards are coming after Rick.
Speaker 1:And I think you got Guy Tock going after the Russians. Russians might actually be going after Laurie. Do you think you think that they're going after her now to to rob her after she said no? Well, okay. If you're not gonna give us the money, we're just gonna rob
Speaker 2:you guys
Speaker 1:or all of them.
Speaker 3:Well, the thing is, Laurie is the least high profile one. She has a lot of money. She's not Jacqueline Lemon, and she's not married to I'm I'm assuming that whoever, what's her name? Katie? Kate Kate.
Speaker 3:Whatever her husband's name is, like, some famous guy down in Texas or something. So, like, it'd be the ultimate mark. That's why, you know, to answer your question, I still think one of the white ladies die. And like I said, there sounds like there's gonna be multiple because I feel like Guy Tock is going to investigate them, and then it's gonna be like a shootout scenario with them because he already knows where their entryway is gonna be in. And I'm sure he's at least smart enough to start putting things together that they're gonna be using Jacqueline, Laurie, and Kate for something else.
Speaker 3:You know?
Speaker 2:I think what I want this episode is gonna Go. Go. Go. Gonna be Kate because this episode really highlighted how she's trying to ride the like, she stirred the pot a little bit, you know, by talking about Jacqueline behind her back. And, like she's just doing that to get a rise because she's bored with her life.
Speaker 2:But you could see that she is the friend who always rides the fence and tries to play both sides against the middle. So that way she's always the good one, if you will. And I could see that coming back to bite her in the ass somehow and she's the one that ends up dying from a stray bullet.
Speaker 3:She has she's went for my least favorite because I thought she was a fence rider, like, in the bad sense where she's just like, oh, you're gonna go away. Let's talk to this person. But then I didn't realize what kind of position that she's in, and this is why I I told my fiancee. I'm like, it is a terrible idea to go on a trip with just three people, especially if you're not that close, you know, how they if it was like us three that do shows all the time, you know, that's different. But they separate, have their own lives to come back together because it leaves, like, someone ends up being a fulcrum in between two other people's bullshit.
Speaker 3:And right now, you've got Kate who's, let's say, the most normal one at this point because I think both Jacqueline and Laurie are right about each other. Jacqueline was being a bitch and a shitty friend, and Laurie needs to stop being bitter and take control of her own life. You know, they're both right. So what is Kate gonna do? She's just kinda sitting there and like, I just wanna go
Speaker 1:home. Yeah. Kate's Kate's like
Speaker 2:a continuous thing and she
Speaker 1:just goes like, I didn't think it was a big deal. And then she's try she's just trying to live her life, man. She's trying to be on vacation.
Speaker 2:But that's kind of the point of her character. Right? It's like, she just she does things and says things. Remember their conversation about how she moved to Texas. Now she's at this conservative church.
Speaker 1:She's a go with the
Speaker 2:her husband vote. She's go with the exactly. And this they're trying to show that that is not always a good thing because you can fuck shit up by just going with the flow, hoping for the best, and then it blows up in your face because now you have two opposing forces not, you know, flowing together. And you're stuck I love now.
Speaker 1:What I love here is that we have almost a theory for basically every single character and how and why they could die. Except maybe Piper and Lachlan. Don't know. I feel like they're they're still kinda safe unless Tim just Tim could just go absolutely banana nut fucking crazy.
Speaker 3:Chekhov smoothie.
Speaker 2:Smoothie. Smoothie.
Speaker 1:Know what? So I've I've been hearing and trying to read on this and that the smoothie the the fruit is very difficult to blend. That it wouldn't actually blend up all the way. It's oh, it's only the seed that is poisonous, if I have that correct. So I I wonder if Tim tries to make the smoothie and actually fucks it up.
Speaker 1:And like Saxon drinks the whole thing and he's perfectly fine. And I still I still kinda subscribe to this theory that by the end of this, Tim actually finds out that he's off the hook. He finally gets back to his phone and like everything is okay.
Speaker 3:And it's just Kenny back home that takes everything. I mean, that would be some that that'd be very White Lotus. It's like, wow, this escalated and none of this had to happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Okay. So we've we've talked about pretty much every character and how they could potentially be dying except for the one that feels most obvious right now. And I don't know how much the storyline is even working for me. It almost feels like one or both have to die because please don't bring them back anymore is Greg and Belinda.
Speaker 3:Oh, man. I
Speaker 1:This this whole thing has just been like, it's not not horrible, but like, I mean, I called it last week saying that it was going to be hush money, which by the way, hundred thousand? Come on, Greg.
Speaker 2:Too low. If you're you're Too low.
Speaker 1:If you're gonna step to her, step to
Speaker 2:her correct.
Speaker 1:You know, 250,000 minimum. What?
Speaker 3:Okay. Whatever, guys.
Speaker 2:Is this the house?
Speaker 3:Yeah. You're right. You probably could ask for a little more, but, like, you're risking it, dude. Like
Speaker 2:Negotiate. Your value.
Speaker 3:You have no value. You have no leverage. You have no money. You're in a you have no money. You're in a foreign country.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:No. No. I'm not talking about Belinda. I'm
Speaker 3:talking about Greg.
Speaker 1:Greg should have offered her more. More. Because he's
Speaker 3:he's his Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because he's he's trying to convince her He lowballed her. To be an he's trying to get her to be an accomplice to murder. He's like, okay. You found me. You win a prize, a hundred grand.
Speaker 1:Go start go start that spy, you crazy kids. And then she's just like yeah. She's just like, no. This would be an international crime. No.
Speaker 1:Thank you. And and her son's just like, mom, do it. Do it. It'd be so great for you.
Speaker 2:Take the money.
Speaker 1:And then Take No. Okay. And then he said, like, the dumbest shit ever, you could take the whole year off.
Speaker 3:That was dumb. Spoken that's spoken like
Speaker 1:a true 18 year old.
Speaker 3:I was like, you have no idea how money works. Because you're right. 250,000, that can really make a difference. A hundred thousand, that's like, alright. My credit card yeah.
Speaker 3:My credit card bills are paid, and I could buy a house, you know, and, like, pay off.
Speaker 2:Down payment. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Put excuse me. Yeah. Put a down payment. I live in Colorado. What am I talking hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3:Fuck. My favorite joke ever on this show. But I I guess I guess you guys are right. I the entire time, my my black guy senses were tingling. And I'm like, Belinda, oh baby, what is you doing?
Speaker 3:Because I'm like, he's got for from her perspective, if he offered $10,000, you gotta take it or or get the fuck out of Thailand. And she just chose wrong, man. You saw Gary eyeballing her and stuff like that, and he probably has a plan b. He's not stupid, guys. Like, if you gotta think a guy who's lasted this long and and and managed to escape that clusterfuck without avoiding cops, he's not dumb.
Speaker 3:You should take the money. And I I heard the actor said she's trying to teach her son morals. You need to teach your son how to how to survive. Survive? Tell him.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Doing this shit is bullshit. You, like, you don't need to pay over money. But if someone offers you this with this much money, you take the money and you say Disappear. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:The Thailand Air doesn't agree with me. And then you have to fuck back to America and dip out. I'm sorry. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Yep. But she I think she she does have a little bit of leverage. She could have easily gotten that 100 up to at least two fifty like Alfredo said with just being like, you know, I appreciate the offer and I don't wanna be in imposition but a business average startup cost is about a quarter of a million. Just kinda leave it at that and then see what he does. And then would love to see you
Speaker 1:in this scenario. Really just breaking out the negotiation tactics, life on the line. Actually, average cost of a spa in The United States is
Speaker 2:In Hawaii. Yeah.
Speaker 1:In Hawaii. I will say this Zion did say like one smart thing which was if you don't do this, he is coming after you, which is exactly what Jagger just said. And like when Greg is watching her and she's hightailing it out of the out of the party, which damn. Like, didn't even get the food that was there at the buffet. Like, she had on the plate and then she didn't eat it and then she left.
Speaker 1:I that, like, that really bothered me. I really want her to get her dinner.
Speaker 3:I would have eaten first. I would have been like, I'm gonna eat this meal.
Speaker 1:I would have taken it with Yeah,
Speaker 3:dude. Like like, you got you got some tinfoil? Let me rock this bad boy.
Speaker 2:What do I get a deal?
Speaker 3:Got some tinfoil?
Speaker 1:Okay. So I mean, obviously, we go into this final episode where Zion is meeting with Amrita. Right? The person who helps with like the the stress and finding balance. And he's got a very real fear for his mother.
Speaker 1:So at this point, is this maybe her going back to see Greg or her because like if you're trying to get the fuck out of there, you're not stopping off to go do a little like stress thing. She's like, okay, you stay here. I'm gonna go meet with him. And and I think that's probably where this goes. And then all of a sudden you hear the gunshots and that's why he's worried.
Speaker 1:Right? Because something went wrong.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Right.
Speaker 1:I almost think it's something where she's probably going to be in the midst of getting ready to do it, and the gunshots go off, and she's able to escape safe and unharmed.
Speaker 3:I hope. But, I mean, you you're right that either Greg or Belinda have to go away, or they're just the White Lotus main characters at this point. So with just that logic, it's hard for me to see that both of them make it out. You know? Like, maybe karma gets Greg.
Speaker 3:Maybe they go and try to discuss, have a conversation normal, and, like, Greg comes down the hill, and then they just get caught up in some bullshit and Greg gets it. But Greg deserves to get the whole click clack. Let's just put that out there. So let's just hope karma does let's hope when you're like the one of the Buddhist capitals of the world that karma does a little bit of work for you. You know?
Speaker 1:You brought up something interesting here about them being sort of the main characters of White Lotus. And I wonder if both of them do die, right, or one of them dies. I don't think we should probably see them again. Even if they both survive, I don't think we should see them again. Is there a character from this season that you'd wanna see continuing?
Speaker 3:Fucking Victoria. Like, just Yes. The Ratliffs.
Speaker 2:Just Yes.
Speaker 3:The Ratliffs. Like, that's all I could say. It's like, I want you can you could have a show called the Ratliffs and I will watch
Speaker 2:I'll watch it. Hell yes. Hell yes. Just see her try to start foundations back home to save save those poor souls over in Taiwan from these evil rich white men.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. In China. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Come back to North Carolina with me. I could find you a respectable man.
Speaker 1:Oh, and she's like,
Speaker 2:is he rich? And then
Speaker 1:she's like, you're not supposed to ask that.
Speaker 2:Oh, man. When she tries to she's like, but I really love him. She's like, but really do you? Oh, god.
Speaker 3:I love
Speaker 2:it. I love Victoria.
Speaker 1:She's the base I'm here I'm here for the for the running
Speaker 2:She needs to survive. She's the only one I don't want to I don't think I have a theory of how she dies.
Speaker 3:And she's the worst person, but, like, innocent, bad. Like, she will a % vote Republican straight ticket and, like, send back her food at a restaurant. But I like some wine.
Speaker 1:The same time. Damn.
Speaker 2:Love I love that
Speaker 1:those are your examples for being an absolutely horrible person. Voting Republican and sending food back at a restaurant.
Speaker 3:You're a fucking monster. Like, if you deserve to have your food back, you're fine. But the people are just like, I ordered medium and this is Midwell. Get fucked. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:Just like, you
Speaker 1:know Oh, boo. Boo. I'm I'm I'm I'm team send it back. Yeah.
Speaker 3:No. If you're never eating out with Alfredo
Speaker 1:I ordered what I ordered, man. I ordered what I ordered. Come on. I don't normally send
Speaker 2:it back. It's an aggrievous kind
Speaker 1:of person that sends it back. I normally don't. I'll just eat it and be happy, but I totally get I totally get the person that if you're paying $30.40, $50 for a steak and and the cook is wrong, fuck that. I'm sending that back.
Speaker 2:If it's a good dish, yes.
Speaker 3:Too? Do like, are you the one who gets a thousand modifications and it's just like No. I said I didn't want this, and then, like, it's like, well, that's the whole fucking dish. Are you one of those? No.
Speaker 3:Not at all.
Speaker 1:Not at all. But if, like, if my main dish was, like, the steak and I'm paying good money for it, and you got the fucking cook wrong, the temp like, come on. Let us know in the comments. Maybe I'm just an asshole. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Well, boys, I think that's gonna wrap it up for us. By the way, not at any point in this entire episode that I, tell everyone. Like, subscribe. We got a whole bunch of other cool stuff that's coming up here on unbinge, and you can check out our podcast on Apple or Spotify.
Speaker 1:If you're listening there, please take a moment to leave a five star review. We just finished Severance season two, so you could check out all of that as we went on. It's just gonna be funny to look back at the theories we had. White Lotus, we're finishing up the finale next week. We got Daredevil Born Again.
Speaker 1:We just started the studio on Apple TV plus. We got Black Mirror season seven coming in, The Last of Us, Andor. So many great projects coming up for us. And, well, as always, just wanna thank you guys for watching or listening all the way through for myself, for cough, for Jagger. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 1:Adios.
