On today's episode, we're gonna be discussing Black Mirror season seven, episode four titled Plaything. We're gonna explain that twist and crazy and just wild ending to this episode. It's been left very open, very ambiguous, but we've got some answers from the showrunners and the actors involved. We're also gonna discuss what we think about it, give our review and breakdown of this episode. All that and more on an all new episode of Unbinged starting now.
Matt Kopfhamer:Hi. We're gonna spoil Black Mirror probably the entire season, but definitely play things. So if you haven't seen the episode, this is your chance. Stop, watch it, and then come back and watch us spoil it.
Alfredo Brown:Koff, I love that you are a corporate l two video. Oh, hi. Didn't see you there. Welcome.
Jagger May:Know, how do
Alfredo Brown:get my draft or,
Matt Kopfhamer:You know, mister DNA on.
Jagger May:You he'd be the voice you hear when
Alfredo Brown:you're Dinosaur.
Jagger May:When you're doing orientation. Oh, the dinosaur.
Jagger May:Gotta say it weird. Alright. Let's get into this.
Alfredo Brown:So with each of these endings for the Black Mirror episodes, we go over to Netflix's companion site. Totem. Can we get, like, all three of us same time? Ready? One, two, three.
Matt Kopfhamer:Totem. Totem.
Alfredo Brown:Oh my god. The and he had this to say about the ending of this episode. He said, I wanted it to be a tad more ambiguous as to whether you thought this was a good thing or a bad thing. We don't quite give you that much information. And so, obviously, you get that because it's so ambiguous there at the end.
Alfredo Brown:It's so open ended. But the actors, the actually the one that played young Cameron, which is our our what do you wanna call him? Killer in this one. Sure.
Jagger May:Let's just call
Matt Kopfhamer:him the killer.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Sure. Yeah. Our young kind of. I don't even know if there is a proselytem.
Jagger May:He's a main character. Let's say,
Alfredo Brown:yeah, you're main character. So the actor that plays him is Lewis Gribbon, and he said, It just feels like Cameron's wiped violence from people. He's taken their freedom and enslaved everyone to be peaceful and not have any bad tendencies. It's like a dictatorship regime that he's just created, that all these people are just mindless and listening to the thronglets. And then the last one on here, Will Poulter, who came back after being in Bandersnatch, and he had a brief cameo on this at the beginning of it.
Alfredo Brown:His take on this ending was really smart and typically Black Mirror ending, a typical Black Mirror ending, excuse me, because it's open to interpretation. I think the resounding message of the episode is to treat others as you'd like to be treated, and that I really appreciate. So we've heard from the actors. We've heard from the creator. Jag, what were your thoughts on this ending?
Jagger May:I with that being said, as far as the throngs being the overlord, I think they even took some ambiguity away from me because I was kinda wondering what the implications were because I'm so convinced that Black Mirror has, if not one linear timeline, multiple linear timelines. And it's like, how like, what if these throngs throngs or thronglets are living in people that we've seen in the future of Black Mirror? That that's what made me question. Ultimately, I think it's wrong. And maybe that's just because everything that I've ever watched ever that says that if you take away human autonomy, it's a bad thing.
Jagger May:But homie was kinda cooking when he said it just like like, if we just cooperated, we would do a lot better, and we just can't. Like, we have buggy code in it, and we need an update. So, I I do hate that they took a little bit of that ambiguity for me, but, ultimately, I like this episode a lot more than you did, I know, Alfredo.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. If it was okay. But cough, I wanna hear I I don't wanna, you know, pee on anyone's Cheerios here early on in the episode. Cough.
Jagger May:That's true.
Alfredo Brown:I wanna hear what you thought of the ending.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. I actually went a much more malevolent way with this line of thinking where the actor's like, oh, it's, you know, it's it's peaceful and all that. I didn't view it like that. I viewed it as here is an artificial intelligence whose only interactions with the outside world have been two people. One person that manipulated for thirty plus years and one person who was literally massacring them.
Matt Kopfhamer:So that's their only experience with the outside world before they integrated with Cameron's brain. And, again, that's a singular brain. So you're telling me that this AI has been able to develop this evolutionary thing to change humanity from our violent, you know, primal brains to this new evolved version? I don't buy it. So to me, the way this episode ended, I was like, oh, is this a prequel to metalhead where all of a sudden you have an AI controlling everything and then it's gonna start creating these little robots that are gonna go around killing dissenters or killing people that for whatever reason, the update didn't hold.
Matt Kopfhamer:So that's where my brain went. And that's because I was raised on movies like Terminator and Matrix, where it's like AIs inherently are not the friendly go happy overlord. They're more like rule with an iron fist and turn people into food.
Jagger May:That's why I think both of our theories are true. Because, like, to me, one thing that stuck out is I don't know if they're immediately going to be just docile because he made the point that they have to study and get in more minds. So maybe that they're gonna wake up, feel like nothing even happened, and maybe the they fix reality for the cop to where he'll let homie go, their protector or whatever. They can do that. But for the most part, maybe they're just sitting and watching for thirty years to figure it out.
Jagger May:And this can be, like, the last episode of Black Mirror ever is that the throglets are gonna come. Like, and we're gonna it's gonna be death by fucking Tamagotchi, and I'm here for it. You
Alfredo Brown:let us sit here in our own shit for years, bro. Everyone's killing Tamagotchis. Everybody.
Jagger May:I mean We're all just gods forgotten Tamagotchis, Alfredo.
Alfredo Brown:Oh my god.
Jagger May:Oh. Too
Alfredo Brown:deep. Too deep. Too early. Praising. We have a giveaway going on right now.
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Alfredo Brown:Do you wanna see us review the new movie Sinners from Michael Ku from Ryan Kugler with Michael b Jordan. Do you want us to to take a look at the last of us season two and or, give us your suggestions, screenshot that, send it over to unbingedpod@gmail.com, and we're gonna announce the winner on May 1. That'll be our and or season two episode. Okay. So, yeah, you mentioned that, like, I didn't love this episode, and I just feel like we've gotten this kind of thing so much, not just in the Black Mirror universe, but in general, just sentient AI technology taking over.
Alfredo Brown:We kind of like there was good things where we had those connections to the USS Callister episodes. Lots of parallels to that, like that we have this incel archetype that's being taken advantage of. There's really no value for nonhuman life. The beings and games are literally just a plaything to us, the title of the episode. So it's not that it was bad or not interesting or entertaining.
Alfredo Brown:I just feel like we've gotten this so much from Black Mirror and even outside Koff. Like, I'm glad you mentioned being raised on Terminator because that's what I wrote in my show notes is as soon as he shows the QR code to the camera, I'm like, oh, these little fucking Tamagotchi or Skynet. Got it. And, you know, like, intrinsically, I'm just going to think they are bad. They are evil.
Alfredo Brown:They're here to control people. So it's it's kind of like kind of like an Ultron type thing in Avengers where it's like, oh, well, humans biggest problems are humans. Right? Like, how often have we gotten that story to where I was just kind of like, Okay, I was intrigued, and then we got the payoff and I didn't enjoy the payoff. So for me, I was just kind of like, well, that kinda ruined it.
Alfredo Brown:Because I I I usually expect so much originality from Black Mirror.
Jagger May:You know what?
Matt Kopfhamer:It was
Jagger May:a little weak.
Jagger May:Was I
Jagger May:was ready to do the Joan Gotcha and come in and cook your pitting Alfredo, but I think that's just, like, a a very valid critique on it. And Yes. I think why I got excited about is this was the episode I felt like there was a lot of maybe Easter eggs. Maybe I'm just looking too deep. Mhmm.
Jagger May:Because, again, Bandersnatch is the earliest technology or, like, the earliest timeline that we see in Black Mirror. And I had a had the Robert Daly as, like, the father of modern technology in Black Mirror, I think and hear me out. Homeboy, the boss there that we see that we see the yeah. No. Yeah.
Jagger May:No. His boss. His boss. Moe? The yeah.
Jagger May:Moe. He said, some people call me god, and and then he kinda moved on. A huge thing, Tucker Soft makes all this their stuff here. Even when we see in USS Callister, everyone is using Tucker Soft in a lot of their stuff. What if, in a way, he kind of is inadvertently god because he owns Colin Rittman and thus owns the throglets?
Jagger May:Am I getting too deep in them trenches in there?
Alfredo Brown:That's see, like, that's the kind of thing that I would appreciate in this episode, like, even a little you could have left the ending with with our guy, Cameron, that ending with that character a little more ambiguous. But I would have loved to know more about that. Keep connecting all these dots in Black Mirror because I think that shit is really cool. I don't I don't know that we're ever going to get that. I think they like to keep it ambiguous.
Jagger May:Edging. It's the edging thing. Like, Mike White says, it's like, that's not the vibes here. Like, we want like and and they could kinda keep going, and we're gonna keep asking questions. And I'm not mad.
Jagger May:You know? If if they if it wasn't for them giving me quality at least three out of six episodes, however often, then I would think it's cheap. So, again, that was just me, and I took a lot of that stuff early on and appreciated it to where the ending, even being a little bit flat, didn't bother me as much. And then Will Poulter, I do wanna say him. Conradman is I think he might be the second bet first or second best character in Black Mirror.
Jagger May:Like from his Bandersnatch episode where like, he's like, he's just like, Time isn't real. Mirrors are our way to travel through time. Like just like the dude comes in and he's just like, he's like, You're nervous. He's like, You're very confident in your writing, but here it seems like you're ashamed to even be alive.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. Shame to exist. Equatable.
Jagger May:Equatable. Yeah. And I
Alfredo Brown:think their workplace has all of his quotes on posters around the workplace, and it's just shit that makes you feel horrible about self. Like, the opposite of the hang in there posters.
Jagger May:It's a government. The government is poisoning your food. It's like that that's in the cafeteria. You
Jagger May:go in the bathroom.
Jagger May:It's like, employees must wash hands. Mirrors are our way to travel through time.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. The toilet paper is toxic. So, like, there's there's a few things from this that once again, I I I did think the premise of the episode was actually pretty interesting, and I was in from the beginning. There was a few moments there where I kinda had, like, my jumping off point where I was like, oh, well, okay. Well, why?
Alfredo Brown:So, like, I think the first thing here is I wish they could have explained a little bit more as to why Cameron, this character, feels that he needs to devote his life to the throng.
Jagger May:I got theories.
Alfredo Brown:I oh, okay. Let's hear it. I I wanna hear the theories, though. Why does he feel the need to devote his life to the throng? I know he says he doesn't trust people.
Alfredo Brown:I know he doesn't really make friends, and we sort of see who he is. He's someone that gets used. We could have had more. Like, I I feel like that's such a strong decision to say, I've gotta devote my entire life to doing acid and these little, pixelated elephant Tamagotchi things, and that's it. Like, it was just a Thursday, and I've made this decision for the rest of my life.
Jagger May:I wonder if the throng lids manipulated him.
Alfredo Brown:Is it like a hip hypno hypnosis thing?
Jagger May:That's what I'm saying because
Matt Kopfhamer:Yes. First, if he's on acid for thirty fucking years straight.
Jagger May:That's we talked about this preshow, but, like, maybe something that I took as a plot hole is actually a plot device because I was just like, there's no way you could take acid daily and function.
Alfredo Brown:So then I'm just stupid. Got it.
Jagger May:No. You're not stupid. I'm just saying that's like like acid, you have a punch card. You could only take so much before it permanently lives within within your brain stem, and then it'll randomly release all throughout the rest of your life. That's called acid burn.
Jagger May:Like, there's a lot lot of people that are burnt out from it. So maybe it was their intention to turn him to an essentially a husk at that point. And, like, the only way he's even like, we don't even know if he could communicate until he jacked them in or something where he could only basically buy PlayStation parts, and that's it. You don't know.
Matt Kopfhamer:Well, he already he says it in his in his diatribe. He's talking about how they're like a parasite, the a coexistence. And so clearly, the throng has infected his brain to the point where now he is a messenger. And what it really reminded me of was kinda like two things. One is if anybody owns a cat, you may have heard of this term before, but, like, what's Doxoplasmosis.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yes. Whereas apparently, there's like a parasite that can alter brain chemistry. It it affects rodents, not really humans as much. But that concept where they could have implanted some sort of neural reprogramming, like, they're literal codes. So they could potentially create a virus that infected him while he was high on LSD, and now his brain chemistry has been rewired to be more receptive to the throng.
Matt Kopfhamer:And then the second thing it reminded me of was ex machina, the movie where Eva, this artificial intelligence who is isolated, who is trapped
Alfredo Brown:Classic.
Jagger May:Wants to get
Matt Kopfhamer:out, manipulates Caleb through sympathy and through, like, these subtle tactics, and boom. She's out in the real world, and he is he's dead. So same thing. They manipulate him to get arrested to get into this police station that has the computer, and then the whole time he's like, I need a piece of paper and a pen. Piece of paper and a pen.
Matt Kopfhamer:Piece of paper and a pen. Because he is literally a Trojan horse. They created a Trojan horse biological virus. Nailed it.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Great job, Koff. Great job. Round of applause for Koff, everybody. That was beautiful.
Alfredo Brown:That was beautiful. Okay. The episode doesn't suck as much then. I'll I'll I'll concede. Yeah.
Jagger May:This one said, I I was like, I think the payoff that you were looking for wasn't the where the value lied. Because the this felt like and this is a weird one. This is kind of an Alfredo analogy. It reminded me of Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Man's Yes. Where, like, you talked about what we wanted as a sequel.
Jagger May:We have to get a sequel. We have Dandersnatch now. We got this Colin Riddle character. We have this big setup, and then we need that finale. Like, Deadman's Chest was a good movie, but it kinda just ended.
Jagger May:And you were set up. Then you needed to watch out World's End for that, and I think that's what this is. This was, like, a secondary kinda setup trilogy, and the payoff hasn't even happened yet, if anything, for them. And they've let and they've set themselves up for a lot.
Alfredo Brown:Thank you.
Jagger May:See, I I just You're referencing it to the movie? Yeah. Had to reference it like a Disney movie.
Alfredo Brown:I'm here.
Matt Kopfhamer:We are here.
Alfredo Brown:We are fucking here. Because I had so many questions initially. I was like, Okay, could the acid trip really do this for him? Do you believe he actually understood the thronglets? But then cough, even I was going to say, like, why is he walking into a convenience store and trying to steal alcohol?
Alfredo Brown:And you're like, there's so many things where I'm just like, they didn't explain any of that. There's not enough they have to, but I felt like plot holes. But cough, you just did such a great job of explaining that. You may have just changed my rating for this episode here on the podcast, which is bravo
Matt Kopfhamer:to you.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah, I will say this this episode, really not that there's any reason to trust people, but it made me even more skeptical of people. And it really made me want to just like not talk to any of my neighbors. I was telling you guys prior to this show, I just moved into a new house and there's like a WhatsApp group chat here of all the neighbors. And now I'm kinda like, I don't know that I wanna go over to your poker night, pal. I'm I'm a little weirded out right now.
Jagger May:And you gotta think from the detective's point of view, which I thought was great, where I'm just like, in most cases, you're seeing the detective just go off the rails, whatever, and you're like, you just need to calm the fuck down. And I would say nine out of 10 times, a therapist could probably do a lot more for someone, especially when you're having a psychotic break than a cop. But I felt like the dude just knew something's not right. Like, don't give him a shit. We just need to get him out and lock him the fuck up and not worry about it.
Jagger May:And then the therapist was doing her job. Not saying how she yeah. I'm not saying how she approached that was wrong. But to your point, Alfredo, the trust in people thing right there where it kinda makes you not wanna do that because clearly that like like Koff said, he's like like like I was saying, they they cored him out with acid, and he's just a Trojan horse that's gonna walk in there with little throglets to sing their shitty song. Because even when he went in like, notice the second time I watched it, I just had it on the background.
Jagger May:I and I literally looked at it. The he took his headphones off when they arrested him, and the sounds were playing through
Alfredo Brown:the Yes.
Jagger May:Like, you think it's static. Like, he's not even a fucking person anymore. No. You know? He he'll even tell you he's not a person.
Jagger May:You know,
Matt Kopfhamer:he's a messenger. Yeah. He's literally a trojan horse.
Alfredo Brown:Then if that's the whole thing, the thronglets have learned they've changed where they initially created to be like this, where they initially created to change the world and to change society because there's not much explanation. And he even says that I believe he wanted me to take this. He wanted me to steal this. So there seems to be something so much more sinister right from the jump that this episode continue just to leave it, left everything ambiguous. But I I damn.
Alfredo Brown:Now I really want that sequel. Now I need a sequel.
Jagger May:Yep. And then Colin Rittmann
Matt Kopfhamer:about it. Yes. If you think about it from a coding standpoint, code is only as good as the person who wrote it. So Yes. Colin's the one that wrote this program, created this these thronglets.
Matt Kopfhamer:So clearly, his influence is there as the bedrock of this program. And we know that he is a Psychopath. Thinker. Let's yes. A psychopath.
Matt Kopfhamer:So who's to say his intention wasn't to have almost like a Prometheus fire situation where it's like, I'm gonna give this to the world and see what happens.
Jagger May:And I keep using this, but it's relevant. I think it's a step further. At one point was, like, the deus ex machina shift where he created it, and then at that point, they're manipulating him. And then another point I wanna bring up is that he said, oh, it's time for my medicine. Never took the medicine, then right after that, he had his psychotic break.
Jagger May:So I wonder if if that's a parallel or it's also to the the thronglets. They're like, alright. I want you to because they said they wanted that guy specifically. And as we know how AI coding works, you know, maybe they read his I'm sorry, Mark. His yeah.
Jagger May:He's a Mark, so they went there. And I wanna just plug this because I've told you guys to watch this, and Alfredo, you basically said no to it because it's depressing. Upgrade does and this is where your point here. Upgrade does this concept beautifully. The movies on streaming everywhere where AI literally will set your ass up just like an ad placement on there.
Jagger May:It's like, oh, you like anime and working out? Here's a whole website where we sell anime workout equipment. It's kinda what they're doing, and that's how these thonglets are moving to get to the overall big government system. It's like a three step move for them that took forty years.
Alfredo Brown:And what's time this.
Matt Kopfhamer:A singularity consciousness. It doesn't matter. Like, they can wait forty, fifty years because it's the they're just re replicating themselves and then evolving. So yeah.
Alfredo Brown:That's okay. Yeah. I'm glad you brought up the the single the the the singularity of it all them coming together because it's what's the what's the concept then behind having these little thronglets that all come together to be the one single throng? Like, what was was this meant to not only just be a Trojan horse inside of this character, but is it even a Trojan horse within itself where they're supposed to be these cute little things? But in reality, they are meant to be one gigantic network or web or hive mind type thing because that's that that's very much a tech thing.
Alfredo Brown:And, you know, what am I trying to think of? Like, end of the world type movies, apocalypse types movies where it's just like It's the board. A Trojan horse to you. Yeah.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. The simulation. Mhmm.
Jagger May:Uh-huh.
Alfredo Brown:The it's I think there was a very obvious comp to all AI and, like, ChatGPT in this. Like, they it's when he says that the the thronglets became more articulate the more they spoke to me and the more he spoke to them, that's the same way we like, we use AI all the time. Like my wife uses ChatGPT every day for work and to the point where she's like, Yeah, I've just got to prompt it and it learns what I'm saying. And I'm sure there's a lot of people that use it constantly and like they're not worried about it. And there are many people in tech that tell me like, Oh, don't be worried about it.
Alfredo Brown:But this was a very obvious comp to it.
Jagger May:Yeah. They're fucking wrong, Alfredo. You know how I feel about it.
Matt Kopfhamer:Be worried always.
Jagger May:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Guys, everyone clear out. Let JAG ISO for the next fifteen minutes on why Chad GPT is going to kill us.
Jagger May:No. I wasn't gonna do that, because I know how I will. I will go on a rant. No. I wanna go even further, and let's say that let's say that Cameron was a fail safe.
Jagger May:Because, again, the they're clearly intelligent. Because, like, now that I'm thinking through this, homie missed his medication. Because he missed his medication, he went off the rails again. We know he's acid burned probably.
Jagger May:Oh.
Jagger May:They meant to release this game to everybody. So, like, the the them are like,
Matt Kopfhamer:I And he deleted the backups. He deleted the files after he even had the backups for maybe being off the meds. He was like, oh god. I'm being manipulated. I gotta prevent this.
Matt Kopfhamer:Oh, didn't think about it. Wow.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Look at this. Look at this.
Jagger May:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:We're kinda smart sometimes.
Matt Kopfhamer:Than we think.
Jagger May:Mhmm. They got they have to do a three. A three. Like, Banner Snatch was kind of a plot, kinda not, but it was made me like, here's Con Ritman, and ass, it's crazy. Am I right?
Jagger May:And then, you know, now we have this character.
Alfredo Brown:It's crazy. Am I right?
Jagger May:No. Drugs.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. So with each one of these episodes, we always give this a a rating, a review here, scale of one to 10. Kaf, let's start with you. What did you think of this episode? And given its rating, one to 10.
Matt Kopfhamer:I thought it was a very interesting concept. I agree the ending to me was a little flat, but only because I truly hope that it is set up for a third and maybe finale. I'll give it a solid eight. I really enjoyed some of the concepts that they they did, and I was enthralled by the story as he was telling it to the cops. And the the one cop getting more and more frustrated and interrupting, I was like, shut the hell up.
Matt Kopfhamer:Let me tell the story.
Jagger May:I thought he's right. Oh,
Jagger May:fucking Yeah. He was right.
Matt Kopfhamer:Just gonna just punch him in the mouth at the get go and throw him in the yeah. Exactly. So I I really enjoyed the episode. So, yeah, eight.
Alfredo Brown:Jag, what about you?
Jagger May:Eight. I was gonna go light seven and a half, but I I think it's an eight. I think it served a I know people hate ambiguous. This did did a great job at doing ambiguous compared to a lot of things where it's just like, yeah, where it's just like art. You ever see that?
Jagger May:It's like, no. You just answered no fucking questions, and you got lazy. You know? I don't think they did that with this.
Alfredo Brown:I'm gonna give this a seven. Originally, for me, it was a six. Like, I was I was mad about this, but I'm giving it a seven, because I love the conversation that we had here. I think it brought me around on this episode. I also have not seen the Bandersnatch episode, episode, so I need to go back and see that.
Alfredo Brown:That might change my perspective on this one a little bit more, even though I know it's interactive and it kind of for everybody. But, like you said, I actually don't mind ambiguous endings as long as there's still a good payoff with the ambiguity. And now that we've had this discussion, it's it's a bit more reasonable for me. So I'm I'm giving this one a seven. Well, boys, I think we're gonna wrap it up here.
Alfredo Brown:This was, enlightening. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. It brought me around on an episode that I did not like at first. Mhmm.
Matt Kopfhamer:Oh, and Yeah. One thing I did wanna mention, where we stand on the nickname lump? Lump versus plop. Who do we like more?
Jagger May:I I will play football with a kid we called Lunk. So I guess it's it is a name. So
Alfredo Brown:I'm higher I'm higher on plop. Plop's just more fun to say.
Matt Kopfhamer:Plops are plosive.
Alfredo Brown:Plosive. Nice. Good. Good verbiage there. No.
Alfredo Brown:Lump just sounds boring. Plop, you kind of have to ask them, how did you get that nickname? Lump. Not so much. Not so much.
Alfredo Brown:Alright, guys. I think that's gonna wrap it up for us. As always, wanna thank everybody for watching and listening all the way through for myself, for Jag, for Koff. We'll see you next time.
Jagger May:I love when people ask me a question, and I just answer with why. Like, sister, she's like, what's
Alfredo Brown:That's like the most dick answer ever.
Jagger May:Yeah. Most
Alfredo Brown:spectrometry. Doing later today? Why?
Jagger May:Yeah. Why do why do have
Alfredo Brown:In fairness, there's there's times where you have to do that.
Jagger May:You have
Alfredo Brown:to do whenever someone asks me about my time. Mhmm. Yeah. It's always something stupid like that. It's always, can you help me with something?
Jagger May:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:And I'm just innately selfish. That's what happens when you grow up as an only child with, like, minimal responsibilities. No.
Jagger May:I fall under the the the CEO psychopath spectrum on there where I'm like, nothing's nothing's more important than what I'm working on right now, woman. Yes.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. That's exactly same.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like, that that that's where I'm at. Like, I literally we had a talk on that. I'm you're right. I gotta do better.
Jagger May:Because I've literally told someone before the Jimmy Simpson thing where he's just like, can you schedule time for me to for me to ignore this or ignore you later? Like, I've done I've said that before. Like, I'm a % tech, bro. Like, it's like, I'm busy working. Get fucked.
Jagger May:Like and
Matt Kopfhamer:I am so type b. I'm like, what do you need help with so I can stop doing what I'm doing? Like, that's what I yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Dude, my my wife wanted me to put together this, like, thing in our because our closet is just the wire shelving. She wanted me to put together an IKEA thing with drawers and all that. And I, like, I just had no fucking desire to do it. I was like, I need to watch two episodes of Black Mirror. You don't understand how important it is what I'm doing.
Jagger May:Yep. No.
Alfredo Brown:That did not go well.
Jagger May:Good. Went well. I got it too.
Jagger May:And that's why you have a blackout.
Jagger May:I told her I told Amy,
Alfredo Brown:it's like I'm part raccoon.
Jagger May:I don't have time to care about this today. And she's just like she, like
Alfredo Brown:Oh, fuck.
Jagger May:Slammed her head on the couch. Yeah,
Jagger May:dude. She's like she's like,
Jagger May:I I she's like, you know how often you tell me that? And I'm like, fuck.
Jagger May:I was like, I mean
Matt Kopfhamer:Faggar, I'm single, and I know you fucked up. Like, what?
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. That was a fuck up.
Jagger May:Amy puts up with a lot, man. Like, it's like True.
Matt Kopfhamer:She's Lucky man.
Jagger May:She's a she's a soldier. It well, shuffling us up on the fucking spectrum. Like, I I genuinely had to be taught how to say, like, words sometimes. Like, she's like Yeah. Me too.
Jagger May:Say she's like, here's how you should say this. And I I was like, wow. That sounds way better than what I said. She's like, yeah.
Jagger May:I'm pretty sure everyone
Matt Kopfhamer:has to be taught how to speak words.
Jagger May:She's like she's like, I get that you're busy, but could you just say, like, I'm sorry right now. I don't have the bandwidth. Can you ask me later about this? And I'm like, oh, that seems something's worth.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah. That's dude. Okay. So that is 100%.
Alfredo Brown:That's corporate speak right there.
Jagger May:It is.
Alfredo Brown:That is corporate speak right there.
Matt Kopfhamer:Can we
Alfredo Brown:circle back to the slogan? Yeah.
Jagger May:Yeah. You've seen me in a corporate setting. I'm not great at it. I'm like, hey. This idea is shit.
Alfredo Brown:Jagger hits him with per my last email in person.
Jagger May:Yeah, dude. Like Per my
Alfredo Brown:last fucking sentence, I think this idea is stupid.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. Like Is you dumb? Like
Jagger May:I've I've told someone LOL to their face.
Jagger May:Like, if LOL pound is
Jagger May:free Actually, what I said is LOL, you wild.
