On today's episode of the unBinged podcast, we are gonna be talking about daredevil born again and asking the question, did that finale stick the landing? We're gonna break down that cliffhanger ending, give you our theories for season two, and how it might connect to the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe. All that and more on an all new episode of Unbinged starting now.
Matt Kopfhamer:This is your one and only spoiler warning for Daredevil Born Again the entire season. We're doing the finale. So if you haven't caught up, just go catch up and then come back.
Alfredo Brown:Did this finale of Daredevil Born Again stick the landing? I know that's a very open ended statement, but, Jag, how did you feel about this finale?
Jagger May:Did it stick the landing? Yes. But it was a wobble on the balance beam. You know? When you do the, like, for me, because I have limited experience in gymnastics.
Jagger May:Well, just imagine that someone doesn't like like, yeah, they land it, but it wasn't just like a ta da. You know?
Alfredo Brown:Right. It was not Simone Biles. It was it was Yeah.
Jagger May:It is because we went like this, and then we got I I won't say it I guess unsatisfying ending. Like, it didn't just wrap up a story or plot line. If anything, this should be a prequel series, and I hope they name, like, the next season something else because, like, I I do get where he's finally born again or or whatever or unleash whatever you wanna call it. See,
Matt Kopfhamer:that's where I'm gonna push back. I I don't think it landed it at all. This felt very much like instead of a finale of a season, this is just another setup for a future story. And to me, that's very unsatisfying. I I don't think they wrapped up anything that they set forth for this season.
Matt Kopfhamer:I mean, we got very little resolution for, you know, the relationship with Heather. We got almost no resolution for White Tiger's death. I mean, they they they showed us agent Cole's the one that did it, and then Daredevil decided, oh, I don't wanna kill now. So it's like they kinda gave us half answers and half measures, and it felt very unsatisfying to me. So I I kinda went through this entire finale like, alright.
Matt Kopfhamer:I guess I'm excited for the next season, but it it felt so unfinished.
Alfredo Brown:What's the answer that you want for something like white tiger? Right? Where you find out who did it. Because to me, the the the resolution is now you've got Angela who is is Which
Matt Kopfhamer:they did tease in the episode
Alfredo Brown:that Right. Future white tiger. It just felt untapped. Coming back in.
Matt Kopfhamer:And and and to be honest, I've been thinking about it all morning of, like, how can I how can I talk about this succinctly and and efficiently and and eloquently, but I I really can't? It's just like a general feeling of, like, it doesn't feel like a finished story. And and I know that's kind of on purpose, if you will, because they are setting up future storylines for the MCU, for this show, for the punisher, but it just the whole time I'm watching it, I'm like, none of this felt like a satisfactory resolution for what we have been introduced to this season.
Alfredo Brown:And, Koff, that's intentional. And maybe not intentional in the way that we think because we are looking at this from the viewer side. Let let me tell you how I experienced this finale. I tried to watch it last night at 11:00, and if anyone knows me, I can't hang past that time. Like, that's just that's not working out for me.
Alfredo Brown:I need to watch this thing at 9PM exactly because I'm not making it through the episode. And lo and behold, I did not make it through the episode. I got about halfway through, started falling asleep, and I was like, screw it. Just finish it. You'll watch it again in the morning.
Alfredo Brown:That way, you just watch it twice. Right? The second time I went and watched it, I I appreciate it a little bit more, obviously, because I was awake. But I got the moment to look up the context because, Cough, I felt very similar to you. I was like, this doesn't feel like a finale.
Alfredo Brown:It feels like a midseason episode setting up, you know, everything else that's going to happen. It felt very anticlimactic to be a finale. But that's because it was. But that's because it was so originally Daredevil Born Again was supposed to be an eighteen episode season, and this was supposed to be the middle of the season. And when the original showrunners got fired, the new ones came in, cut out a bunch of stuff.
Alfredo Brown:They completely wanna redo the final nine episodes, and they left this as just the first season. And so they're gonna redo everything. The same people who did episodes, I believe it was one, two, eight, nine, or one, eight, nine, they're gonna be doing the whole second season on their own. So we're gonna get the same vibe that we've had from the last two episodes for all of this second season, which if I have to say, did it stick the landing? Yes.
Alfredo Brown:Because they accomplished what they set out to do, which was create or actually recreate a universe for us where we can fall in love with these characters again. They had to bring us a new version of Matt Murdock. They had to bring us a new version of Kingpin. And even though we didn't get the resolution we wanted, if we're looking at what they set out to do and fix someone else's mistake, I think they did that because we are intrigued to find out what happens in this next season. They made us care.
Alfredo Brown:And if you make an audience care, I think you hit your your landing point.
Jagger May:I love that point. Here it is. Here it is, Koff. Let let let me give you a secondary sales pitch here on here because now that I have the context Alfredo has, I feel even better about where I'm at. Because like you said, they they got, like, they got a pile of shit, man.
Jagger May:Let's put it let's just say what it is. They got a pile of shit, and they said we need to fix this. That makes me forgive the things I didn't like in season one. And now that I know that, like, hey, we've we just gotta we gotta fix it. Now that I know that they're what they have set up, and now that I know that we are gonna get something else.
Jagger May:It's not like, the acolyte or all these other things where, like, are we gonna get a season two? We're already promised this. I trust it. And I guess here's my wild card take on it. I'm just so excited for the next season because I don't know if you guys played this.
Jagger May:I think the this next season is just gonna be Daredevil Arkham City, man. This is where we're at. They have set us up with such a good no no holds bar world now where Kingpin is like that's why I say Arkham City. He's right now the the the Joker or whoever at the top of everything, and we got all these cops now that are just like, it's the bat. You know?
Jagger May:But it's the devil. They're gonna be everywhere down there, and he's gonna be running around fixing problems with very little help. You know? And and and that's where I'm willing to forgive. And it's not even forgive because it wasn't their fault that some of these things happened, and they went back and fixed it.
Jagger May:I'm willing to accept all the things that I got here because they set up such a cool premise for the future.
Matt Kopfhamer:And I I wanna give a little context myself. So I did enjoy parts of the season. I didn't I thought the highs were really high, but I thought it was overall disjointed. And as a viewer, as an audience member, I'm unsatisfied with how they left things. I understand the intrigue.
Matt Kopfhamer:I'm I'm gonna watch season two. Let's let's be real. Even if we don't cover it, I'm still gonna watch it. But it just there's a part of me that's like, there were the bones of a story there that could have been way better, and they spent so much time on shit that at the end of the day, I don't think really needed to be focused on. And they wasted screen time and plot time on characters that they could have redone.
Matt Kopfhamer:Like, for example, what was the point of Muse if we're gonna get that little three episode arc and then he's he's dead? I get it. He leaves Heather Glenn in this really tumultuous point in her life, and she's now, like, on fix Fisk's side. But they could have done that with with, with bullseye instead. They just needed to tighten the story up in this first season, and I think it would have been much, much better.
Matt Kopfhamer:And now
Alfredo Brown:But you're talking about the full season. Yes. You're talking about the full season
Jagger May:and and
Matt Kopfhamer:But also, because it's it's a symptom of the greater problem for the season is they kind of threw a lot of plot lines at us, a lot of characters that at the end of the day, I don't really think matter. And so if they just gone Could one argue
Alfredo Brown:could one argue that they're world building for a brand new show? Even if it's done poorly, they're world building for a new show because there's times there where I'm watching and they're referencing agent Nadim from back in season three of Daredevil. And there's so much weight on Karen and Foggy and characters that this show in particular, Daredevil Born Again, did not have. Now, do I think they did a good job of world building? Not really.
Alfredo Brown:No. I don't care about a lot of the new characters. Right? So I I totally get what you're saying, Coffin. I agree with you to a certain extent.
Alfredo Brown:I'm willing to lend them a little more grace because of the context that we have around this show. And I think that you can stick the landing and do what you intended to do without the show being a perfect 10. And that's where I totally fair.
Matt Kopfhamer:That's totally fair. But at this point in the MCU, I have less grace for the for the MCU and all those products total because the last, what, four years have just been stumble, stumble, stumble, stumble, and then maybe a a decent show here and there. And so while daredevil was not a bad show, I just feel like with how the MCU currently is, it should have been better. And and I'm a little disappointed that it wasn't.
Jagger May:What did you want? And that's valid, I guess. So, like, that's what I was gonna ask is, like, would it been better if they let's just say they they called it a four episode miniseries to set up the actual Daredevil series. Would you have felt better?
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. If they had tightened the that's my biggest complaint is the story just felt really disjointed. And if they've just been able to tighten the plot and tighten the focus, maybe eliminate some of the side characters and just really focus in on what's going on with Matt, Kingpin, and just those central characters more, I would have felt better. But it just again, this episode especially just felt like another alright. We're setting it up for future stories that you're gonna love.
Matt Kopfhamer:You just gotta trust us. And it's like, alright. I've been trusting you for fifteen years now, MCU. Like, stop making me wait. Stop setting the table over and over and over again and just give me the goddamn steak.
Jagger May:It's hilarious that me and Koff have switched positions over the course
Alfredo Brown:of this. I was gonna say is, like, I don't wanna make excuses for Marvel or for Daredevil, but I kinda have to here because the sins of the father are not the sins of the son here. Like, Marvel's issues that they have had should not bias us when looking at Daredevil. And I know you said that you didn't want all these other characters, and like I said, they didn't do a good job of it. I didn't like the Muse storyline.
Alfredo Brown:I thought the White Tiger storyline could have been done better. I thought that the anti vigilante task force could have been done better. I wanted more Commissioner Gallo and BB Urich. Like, I wanted those things. They didn't do a good job of it, that doesn't mean they shouldn't have done it.
Alfredo Brown:Right? Like, I I don't need I don't I don't need them to focus more. I need them just to be better at world building and make me care more and stop. We can't have it both ways where we say, oh, well, Marvel's been fucking up, and we can't blame the past on or we can't blame Marvel's past on this Daredevil. But then we also can't cling to the previous Daredevil show and say that's what gives us life and power and energy going forward.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. But at the same time, it's the connected universe. So, unfortunately, you have to view all the projects together.
Alfredo Brown:That's why they have to. Yes and no. Like, it wasn't totally connected before. That's why I think they're trying to grow now and introduce so many characters because this battle of of Matt Murdock and Wilson Fist, Daredevil and Kingpin, it's not just the two of them fighting. Like, how many times can we just get them going at each other one on one?
Alfredo Brown:This is something that affects all of New York and likely is going to affect the greater MCU because we have so many upcoming features in New York. We've got Thunderbolts in New York at Avengers Tower. We're going to have Spider Man four in New York. This is something that they kinda have to set the stage that it doesn't just affect Matt and Fisk anymore. It affects everyone around them and give us that sort of ground level approach because we don't get that anymore from Marvel.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. So okay. Speaking to that point then sorry, Jack. I I I know I'm talking a lot. But speaking of that point, what worries me, and again, going back to past projects, is when they try to do a show and then movie where it's like, okay.
Matt Kopfhamer:This should be a very simple continuation, like WandaVision to Multiverse of Madness. They didn't. There was no connective tissue other than the characters in there because the movie makers didn't watch
Alfredo Brown:Sam Raimi didn't even watch one. Yeah. Was like, Sam Raimi watched one division.
Matt Kopfhamer:So that's what worries me going forward is how many of these movies are gonna be like, oh, yeah, Daredevil. We're gonna pay lip service to what happened, but not really because there's just it it seems like they're not connecting the universes as well as they first did phases one, two, and three.
Alfredo Brown:I think this is a different problem, though. WandaVision was a very ethereal problem that required big heroes and a big movie and a big story. This is a street level problem that's going to require street level attention and street level characters. Now are those street level characters the Thunderbolts? Is it the Defenders coming back from Netflix?
Alfredo Brown:Is it Spider Man at some point? There may not be direct connective tissue, but we have to imagine that with Spider Man, for example, Peter Parker's out there in New York just being a vigilante at the moment and now being a vigilante is illegal. That's gotta have some sort of effect on his film coming up. Thunderbolts
Matt Kopfhamer:I hope so.
Alfredo Brown:They're going to be attempting to save people from the void. They are, in every sense of the word, vigilantes, but they're gonna be privatized by, Valentina. Valentina. So, like, does that turn Wilson Fisk on his head? Maybe it doesn't all have to be so directly connected, but the winks and nods to how it puts a wrinkle in the MCU, I think, is all we need.
Alfredo Brown:This doesn't need need to be something well, it happened in Daredevil. That's your homework. Now to understand Thunderbolts, you're gonna have to watch that because it also takes place in New York. I don't think that's what they're going for. I think they're just going for the wrinkles where one domino can affect the other, but those dominoes don't have to be on the table at the same time, if that makes sense.
Jagger May:And and to be fair, daredevil's always been like that. It's like, again, everyone's like, daredevil needs to be in secret wars. Guys, he's he's fucking blind and relies on on superhero, superhearing and smell. I I'm just I'm sorry. It's just I like, it's just a wild thought.
Jagger May:Just think about that for one second. You're gonna
Alfredo Brown:Jack, an ally of of the disabled.
Jagger May:I'm not saying he's not valuable, but I'm just like Homelander where you just, like, clap next to us. He's a liability on the battlefield. Yeah. I was just and, like, even even Matt Murdock in the comics says, like, I can't do big battles like that. And and a lot of his problems are ground level where it's just, again, Iron Fist, even Spider Man at some point where you're dealing with ground level problems where it's just I'm sure if you ask Tony Stark, he's like, who's the hand?
Jagger May:He's just like, not my problem. You know? He's got Not my
Alfredo Brown:clowns, not my circus.
Jagger May:Yeah. Exactly. But the point that I wanted to give up, I, to to get in there, and I know we're, like, late, is that I think we got a lot of payoff with the task force. This is exactly what I wanted and more with the task force. They just took too fucking long to get there.
Jagger May:Like, the that's the issue. Yeah. I mean
Matt Kopfhamer:That was good to
Alfredo Brown:My only thing heroes, kids.
Jagger May:I know. But they they think you fucking suck. The one thing I don't understand, and I will cough, I will give you this, is I have a hard time trusting that they're gonna if they do the nod, that's fine. But, like, I this being a plot line in thunder Thunderbolts or being a big wrinkle, I'm hoping Thunderbolts is set before here or something. Like, they do that because I just don't like that.
Jagger May:Yeah. I just don't trust them to do it because Cuff is right about the trust. But another thing too
Matt Kopfhamer:Counterpoint secret invasion. No one is ever referencing anything that happened in secret invasion because it should
Jagger May:Oh, they did.
Matt Kopfhamer:And so They did. They Oh, yeah. They mentioned a scroll once.
Alfredo Brown:What do you want more? I don't
Matt Kopfhamer:Okay. What happened to the president who was like a xenophobe? Like, we're gonna kill all the aliens. Like, what happened to him? And then he got replaced by Harrison Ford.
Jagger May:So I'm not even really sure.
Alfredo Brown:Can't believe a dog. Now Harrison Ford is the president,
Matt Kopfhamer:he's a Yeah. It's a dog shit show. Don't ever fucking watch it. If if you think about watching it your vision, just don't.
Alfredo Brown:The so but the thing is is, like, we can do this in circles all day with anything Marvel. It's like, well, where was this hero when this happened? Or why don't they reference this? Or why don't they reference that? Like, the previous Daredevil show, all they did was they would have a newspaper hanging in the background of Ben Yurich's office about how the Avengers saved New York, and that's kinda it.
Alfredo Brown:And then in this, they'll be like, no one dressed as a spider, and they won't actually really do it. I keep saying, like, I don't think that they need to go full on blending the stories right now. I think you can just keep seasoning it here and there as needed. I don't know what they have to do the the whole blending of the stories.
Jagger May:And that's how you expand Marvel. It's like, there's a lot of stuff going it's a big world. Not everyone has to fight Doctor Doom at the same fucking time all the time. You know? There's a lot of shit happening.
Jagger May:And then, again, the final point I wanna say is, I think we should forgive studios for fixing their mistakes. We should reward that. Mhmm. Because secret, like, to my point here is they looked at Secret Wars. They looked at Ant Man, they looked at Ant Man, and they said, it's MCU.
Jagger May:They're gonna like, they'll watch it. It doesn't matter. Like, we're gonna throw that slop out. And they learned that we're not cool with that. So they looked at Daredevil now, and they've seen what's going on with their TV, and they're like, no.
Jagger May:We can't do this. And they fixed it. And I think it is super important for us to reward that. Like, shout out to the Sonic the Hedgehog fans. I've still never watched that movie, but you guys are keeping it going on your own.
Jagger May:Like, it is it it's a testament that studios listen now. And this and I've been the biggest hater on Disney plus this entire season. Thank you for fixing it and setting it up. I will I could forgive that you had to throw out some slot to make shit work because it to me, this was chopped. Like, you got your basket, and you had to make something with what you had in your basket.
Jagger May:And and what they gave us was alright when you consider that.
Matt Kopfhamer:But at the same time, that being said sorry. With that being said, sometimes it's better just to not do a project. Like, fucking cancel it. If you're if you think it's gonna be sloppy.
Jagger May:Dare say that about Blade Cobb. Don't you put that evil on me. Would
Matt Kopfhamer:you rather have shitty Blade, or would you have rather have no Blade? Because I vote no Blade.
Jagger May:Okay. That's fair.
Alfredo Brown:Well alright.
Jagger May:It's just sad. I I
Alfredo Brown:wouldn't have called this shitty, but No. We're we're gonna keep talking about this. So we're gonna I wanna talk about how this finale in this series, what it means for season two. We kinda already touched on a little bit of what it means possibly for the MCU. But before we do that, I wanna let everybody know we've got a giveaway going on right now.
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Alfredo Brown:But back to Daredevil, Born Again. This ending, Jag, what could it mean for season two? Because we get the line from Matt Murdock saying, I need an army. And, oof, at that moment, like, I was getting I was getting hype wondering, are we gonna get defenders? Are we going to get an Avengers cameo?
Alfredo Brown:Someone for in New York? Like, what are they've already said they can't get Spider Man. Like, it's it just can't happen. And then also vice versa, Kingpin can't be in an MCU movie. So, like, there's a there's a lot that's going on here.
Alfredo Brown:I thought maybe we might get a young Avenger. We might get, like, a miss Marvel or someone like that.
Jagger May:Enough with the young Avengers. Get the fuck out. Like, they've pushed it down my throat.
Alfredo Brown:Jack, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. So you get on the young Avenger train or or get
Matt Kopfhamer:Get on the train, man. Yeah. But Instead of you, Josie, the bartender.
Alfredo Brown:Exactly. We so we end up with, Karen, Josie, Cherry, some random cops, And the showrunners said they didn't want to have other heroes at this thing and make it a real army because that gives us too much hope. And they didn't want us as viewers to have hope. They felt there was enough for us to be excited about. There was enough for us to have that cliffhanger and and want to go to season two.
Alfredo Brown:They wanted us to feel like Matt, where you're helpless. You lost. You lost the battle against Fisk, kinda similar to Avengers Infinity War. And I think that's bold of them. I think that's that's brave of them to assume that we want the season two, which we do.
Alfredo Brown:How did you feel about that, Jag? Because I I think that this was risky of them to try to end the season this way going into season two.
Jagger May:I I do too, but it would have been unsatisfying. I think it would have been worse if they would have tried to, like, shove a bunch of resolution into one episode as well. And I like that we have all the exposition and set up so that we have an entire season of just doing battle. None of this. I'm I'm gonna we can hope, I guess.
Jagger May:But, and again, the city
Alfredo Brown:is under martial law at this point, and Matt is actively daredevil. I I think that's what we're getting.
Jagger May:We're mad at someone that's not there. I'm gonna use an NFL reference right now. Matt, you are the guy who's like, I don't trust this team and or I don't trust them.
Matt Kopfhamer:The Dolphins do.
Jagger May:Yeah. I guess but there's a whole new coaching staff is what I'm saying. Yes, there's some old
Matt Kopfhamer:They didn't
Alfredo Brown:pick up the.
Jagger May:Okay. But, like, it's a whole new coaching staff. We don't know shit yet. And what would they given us is is a good setup. Like, at this point, I I just feel like you just can't be satisfied.
Jagger May:Like, the because, like, if they would've given you a whole other episode, it would've been bad. How are you gonna wrap up five plot lines in one episode? But, like, to my point, I the army thing, it is the hope thing that there's a city, but I do think we're gonna I hope we get a setup for the defenders. We already got chess, chess pieces on the board. And you wanna talk about the young young avenger.
Jagger May:Maybe we get a young white tiger. Maybe it's just a young defender in there. And then we already see that that, Frank Castle's working his way out. Another piece on the board is the swordsman. What a fucking idiot too.
Jagger May:That's like the Hold
Alfredo Brown:on, Anthony. Anthony's gotta be the dumbest Let
Matt Kopfhamer:me shake her hand.
Alfredo Brown:See you.
Jagger May:He's up there.
Matt Kopfhamer:Dumb motherfucker.
Jagger May:I I'm talking about dumb people. Him and fucking Newman in Jurassic Park are just like Italian. Like like, buddy, you are a clown. Like like, Frank was right. You are like, let me shake your head, kid.
Jagger May:Why? Look. Yeah. Clearly, Anthony was not
Matt Kopfhamer:in the room when Frank called them all bitch ass clowns. Like, clearly, he wasn't there for He
Alfredo Brown:killed half the team.
Jagger May:He didn't even do the Jaime Lannister. You know how Jaime Lannister worked on that kid for, like, like, a while a little bit. You know? Like, he he had, like, one conversation.
Alfredo Brown:This kid is like It was like forty five seconds.
Jagger May:Yeah. I can imagine if there was, like, a hot girl in there. He'd have been like, you're too pretty for this girl. If Elektra was in there, it would it have been game over. Honeypots is done.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, man. You you mentioned some of the prisoners that are down there in, Kingpin's Lair, which I think it's so interesting. Like, we get that symbolism of Wilson Fisk and at the end of episode one, being up on top of the building with the shining white light and being the hope for this city. And then at the end, he is quite literally doing his underground dealings underground in the shadows, shackling people who, good or bad, are part of this city. Yeah, very dumb.
Alfredo Brown:Right? And you'd think that's a lot of people that go missing. A lot of people. And a lot of them, their last known, I guess, appearance anywhere would be in a meeting with Wilson Fisk.
Jagger May:And you know what's smart?
Alfredo Brown:In in buildings with cameras?
Matt Kopfhamer:Did the blackout. That's why they did the blackout so that way they could do everything that night. And and Okay. Great. Great.
Matt Kopfhamer:Chaos of the blackout, they got disappeared.
Alfredo Brown:But he also said the the commissioner Gallo. He said that commissioner Gallo resigned.
Matt Kopfhamer:Resigned. Oh, I Resigned his life.
Jagger May:That was a shitty plot hole. There's no way Resigned his face.
Matt Kopfhamer:Come on.
Jagger May:Like, family? Did he quit his family too? Did he just, like, I retire for being your dad. Bye. It just He resigned and then
Alfredo Brown:just ripped his face in half. Like
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. Just it looks cool. But, again, logically, that did not make sense to me. It's like he just killed the commission the police commissioner in front of, I get it, dirty cops, his tasks were whatever. But, like, what are we doing here?
Matt Kopfhamer:Like
Jagger May:I'm sorry. We're a play a payoff here. We're forgetting a payoff. Fisk was already doing this prior to the like, it wasn't the blackout on here. He used the cover of Muse for people to go missing.
Jagger May:He's probably been doing this for a while. It's like random people are going missing all over the city. Muse likely got he he was getting homeless people, regular fucking people. Like, you you know, like, the the peep like, he wasn't getting the white girls that get Netflix documentaries and shit like that. So that like, they're knowing Kingpin, he's like, well, Daredevil's off the street.
Jagger May:I've got White Tiger off the street. Why don't I make lemonade? You know? Like, that's basically what he's been doing is just making lemonade out of this. I'll give him that, but it's the keeping them alive thing I don't get.
Jagger May:Like, I'm just like, buddy, you should put a bullet in Frank ASAP Rocky if you're trying to, like, it it's it's wild that you keep him alive, dude. Because, like, you got you got You're not getting
Alfredo Brown:any information from him.
Jagger May:Yeah. Got shit on him. He's gonna recruit him.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. You try to recruit him. He says no. Okay. Bang.
Alfredo Brown:He's already
Jagger May:trying to money. No slouch. The swordsman ain't a little bitch. You know? Like, he could fight, and he's got money.
Jagger May:You know? So those two get together. So it's
Alfredo Brown:You saw how he was sitting in there, by the way? Like, everyone else really looked like prisoners. He just kinda looked like he was buying his time. The way he was he was sitting there. He was he was up.
Alfredo Brown:Like, he was ready to go at any moment. That You
Matt Kopfhamer:just think you need talk to Anthony first.
Alfredo Brown:Mhmm. Oh, poor.
Jagger May:Anthony's too poor for him. He can't relate. He's just like, Anthony, could you give me a towel?
Alfredo Brown:What type, please?
Matt Kopfhamer:You want some sparkly water, Anthony?
Alfredo Brown:Alright. So let's build the roster. Let's build the roster of what we could see in season two. Obviously, we've got Matt, Karen, Josie, the random cops that were there, Cherry. Punisher seems like he's already getting out Early early release.
Jagger May:Frank can take care of himself.
Alfredo Brown:I I have to assume that on his way out, swordsman's like, hey. I have a particular set of skills. Just, get me a nice sword.
Matt Kopfhamer:Walks away.
Alfredo Brown:Got some money. Yeah. So I I've assumed we're getting the two of those. Do you guys think we're getting the defenders?
Jagger May:Yeah. I just think we're gonna get a different roster.
Matt Kopfhamer:I was really hoping when they did the bar scene, they revealed, like, all these random people that at the last second, we would see, like, fucking Luke Cage walk in and be like, sweet Christmas. What's happening? Or some shit. Or Kristen Rainey.
Jagger May:They were gonna put him in there with that Marvel announcement and making it obnoxious bullshit out of it. They're like, look.
Alfredo Brown:I'm just Your
Jagger May:favorite person from television.
Alfredo Brown:You want you want the Nick Fury thing where he shows up, and I'm putting together a team. Like, that's what you want.
Matt Kopfhamer:I want
Alfredo Brown:something. That's exactly what you described. I I just don't think they can keep pulling the same rabbit out of the hat every single time. Like, I can actually appreciate that they want us to feel hopeless. That's that's the vibe of Daredevil.
Alfredo Brown:That's the vibe of the character. And we all kind of know that it's coming still. That's the thing is like everyone that watched knows that these characters are going to show up, that there is going
Matt Kopfhamer:to be his army
Jagger May:of one of Just
Matt Kopfhamer:give us a takes
Jagger May:time to develop a story. Emotional. Emotional. Takes time to build a story.
Alfredo Brown:Helplessness. If at the end, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones and all these other heroes come popping out, you're like, oh, bet. He's got an army of his own, like, Avengers of six or seven heroes. That season two is gonna be three episodes long. That's it.
Jagger May:Like, unfortunately, what you want, Koff, would also be bad. It's like like that like, you're you're in that you're in that Marvel and video game hole where it's just like, I want this. I'm like, that's a shitty idea. I could see how you want that. No.
Jagger May:I'm just kidding, Koff. No. Not not not with you. But, like like, it's it's more like It's
Alfredo Brown:a cool idea that needs time.
Jagger May:Time. That's what I meant.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. It's like you're cooking this meal, and it's like, if I if I make my eggs in the morning, I can't turn the heat up so fast just so I can hurry up and eat my eggs. I'm gonna let that thing cook slowly so the eggs don't dry out, and that's what we have to do here. You try to bring it dude, yes. You try to bring in all these characters at the same time, the the the show itself dries out because then you're you're you're running into something that's now more
Matt Kopfhamer:I'm not saying bringing 6,000 characters. Like, one one singular cameo at the very end would have been, like, just enough glimmer of hope. I get it. Like, they're going for that
Jagger May:whole new year.
Alfredo Brown:Do you feel hopeless right now for for Matt Murdock and for New York?
Jagger May:Not at all.
Matt Kopfhamer:Not at all.
Alfredo Brown:So what do you feel?
Matt Kopfhamer:Because I know because I know he's going to either team up with other heroes or whatever to fix the day. At the end of the day, this is still a Marvel property. So the hero is going to win. So I get it. After infinity war, everyone's like, oh, no.
Matt Kopfhamer:Thanos won. But then what happened the next movie? Boom. The heroes were able to fix everything. So we know that's ridiculous.
Matt Kopfhamer:Why are
Alfredo Brown:we watching any of it then if we always know the hero's gonna
Matt Kopfhamer:win? Fair.
Alfredo Brown:We want stories.
Jagger May:That's that actually is what pissed me off about Infinity War is everyone they took away, I knew were coming back. Like, I didn't I never had the worry that, oh, was Spider Man gonna come back? I know because they've already announced another fucking movie. That, like, that actually pissed me off about Infinity War. And that that's
Alfredo Brown:of like the, not Secret Wars. What's the Doomsday? Where they announced all the characters that have upcoming movies, the Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four. I mean, we kinda knew Fantastic Four, but it's like, okay, Thunderbolts, we see you. Not you, ghost.
Alfredo Brown:You're not or not you. Taskmaster. Mask.
Jagger May:Which Taskmaster should go away, but that's all the time for another story. But, let let me cook a little bit. The way I see that because we kinda hit on the roster. I'm really hoping the swordsman is gonna be their Tony Stark. He's got this money here.
Jagger May:He's anti Fisk right now, and then you got daredevil right now as your cap in here now. And then you you're gonna be scraping together your rostry. Yeah. Frank is something. He's some I don't know what he is.
Jagger May:He's he's the Hulk. He's the Hulk. Luke Cage is Thor. If he's if he's around, I want Luke Cage. We're cooking a lot.
Jagger May:Luke Cage is fine. Iron Fist is cool. I do not want homie from Game of Thrones as Iron Fist.
Alfredo Brown:I was gonna say Iron Fist for me is the family guy meme where it's like they're all putting in their hands, and then Seamus puts it the wooden peg in there. Like, no. No. Not not you, Seamus. Not you, Iron Fist.
Alfredo Brown:Like, let's just Yeah. No.
Jagger May:Exactly. Jessica Jones, I want to come back as well. Yes. Then you got a good roster there. And there and, again, there there are real defenders now.
Jagger May:They weren't trying to pull the we all hate each other, the elevator type shit that whatever that Netflix series did. You know, they got, like, funding from someone, and they have a, I guess, real army at that point with a real leader. I think that that's a really cool setup. Hot take There's even more. One of Jessica Jones was one of the best Fuck.
Matt Kopfhamer:Thing.
Jagger May:It was amazing. The the next two were asp. Season one was fucking dope. Purple man. I have a thought
Matt Kopfhamer:that I think villains in all of the MCU. I wish they had not Dude, know?
Alfredo Brown:Gotten out too from from Luke Cage season one.
Jagger May:Yep. Was great.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yep.
Alfredo Brown:Marshall. You know, my where my where my head is starting to go now, we're talking about villains, is that this brand of New York that Fisk has created under his martial law where he's really the only one that's truly benefiting by having Redhooks be this sort of unlawful place where he can launder billions. Right? It's it's Freeport. I gotta think that now the reach of his enemies has extended beyond heroes.
Alfredo Brown:It's extended to anyone whose pockets are about to get lighter. And that's organizations.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Like, this is sort of a thing, reminiscent of, like, the dark knight where it's Kingpin's the joker. Everyone's against him at this point, but he controls everything, and he's one step ahead of everyone. I I think we actually have a team up that's not just heroes. I think and this is what the show seemed to be trying to portray by the end of it is that it's not his city, it's our city. I think this goes bigger than just heroes, than just a Jessica Jones showing up or a white tiger coming of age or any of that.
Alfredo Brown:I think this becomes even bigger than that. And and it continues to world build and gives us that bridge from daredevil to the greater MCU. So I'm I'm excited to see what characters we might get, man. I think it's it's gonna be bigger than just heroes.
Jagger May:And bullseye's a wild card that we forget about. You know?
Alfredo Brown:He's spot he's never I like bullseye's coming back in season two. Bullseye's coming back in season two, and I've already seen the stills where he is on the street with daredevil.
Matt Kopfhamer:So Spoiler, bro.
Alfredo Brown:It's out there. It's out there. If you just even Google daredevil.
Jagger May:Was in the last he he was at the end of the last episode. We see, like, when they did the the last scene. Yeah. They did the cross getting a redemption. That.
Jagger May:Don't it no. No. They're Bullseye doesn't get a redemption arc. He's either gonna die, or he's gonna continue to be a fucking crash act.
Alfredo Brown:No. That's that's what I mean. Like, he's gonna get his revenge on Fisk and die. He doesn't necessarily have to be a hero. I'm saying, like, he can get his revenge and die, and we get our ending of Bullseye.
Jagger May:And we still have foggy out there as well. That's like there's a lot of thing, like because to me, I think that's gonna we were kinda we're getting the secret lack of a foggy Nelson. Like, I I think it's happening, guys. Like, like and that's.
Matt Kopfhamer:But what would be the cause for him to come back? Like, it's been a year now. They've finally discovered the Red Hook thing that he had found. Like, what's gonna cause him? If he is alive, they're doing that.
Matt Kopfhamer:What would be the thing that brings him out of hiding? Like, once the Help,
Jagger May:man. Gone. With information
Alfredo Brown:He's been out in California hanging out with the young Avengers just to piss off Jagger and She Hulk.
Jagger May:Hey. I'm not a She Hulk hater. That show sucked. But, like, again, like, look at Heather Glenn. I'm like, why are you putting up with this shit, dawg?
Jagger May:Because it's like, what
Alfredo Brown:the fuck?
Jagger May:Like Okay. Heather? Heather? Heather? Number one?
Jagger May:Yeah. Op number one, dawg. She's such a, like Wait. Matt's clown, dawg. You're a clown, man.
Jagger May:You knew you knew the whole time she was a problem. You knew the whole time he's a problem. He's like, well, she's here at my apartment. You know, I could have dating someone for a
Alfredo Brown:long time and then finding out they vote the other way. Oh. Like, that's Matt just didn't see this the whole time.
Matt Kopfhamer:Yeah. He ignored the red haps.
Alfredo Brown:He did. He
Jagger May:ain't that blind, pun intended.
Alfredo Brown:By the way, Matt got not coming out of coma, but, like, coming coming to in the hospital and saying Karen's name.
Jagger May:Karen.
Alfredo Brown:I felt like that was all of us. All of us, like, just wanting her back at this point. And it's almost like his sense of stability. It's his sense of identity too. Like, she's such an integral part of who he is.
Alfredo Brown:I think that her being there was sort of that support structure that he needed to say, I'm daredevil again no matter what, and I'm not gonna stop this ever again.
Jagger May:Yep. Because I could be a little bitch about it, Karen. Because I'm I'm happy we're in the acceptance stage. Because that was what was annoying about the original series. We're like, Foggy and Karen were like, how could you be a cool superhero that helps to protect your city?
Jagger May:I know the law better than anyone and understand the limitations, but why are you doing things that that help people? It's like, it was so fucking dumb.
Alfredo Brown:Well Yep. Boys. This, I know we have our thoughts on this finale. I think we have conveyed those thoughts by the last thing, the needle drops in this episode. Pretty good.
Matt Kopfhamer:Great music.
Alfredo Brown:Pretty damn good. Music. Killing you softly
Jagger May:when they're
Alfredo Brown:in the hospital in the hospital, giving us classic radio head to finish it off. Like, to me, I think the music did so much for those final scenes. I think without that music, those final scenes don't hit the same way. Everything that's right place when it's very obviously juxtaposed to that is just pitch perfect.
Jagger May:Yep. That's to me, it's never wrong to spend money on your score because it does it does so much to elevate what you're watching and and add so much that, like, it's crazy that that Netflix never had that. You know? They well, Netflix just didn't have any of that fucking money at that time. You just had yeah.
Jagger May:The the stereotypical. Just the the orchestra hits.
Matt Kopfhamer:Paying some orchestra musicians to give us a a ditty at the end. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Exact god. Could you just imagine Randy Newman popping in?
Jagger May:You got a villain in me. Will you embarrass me in front of Vanessa? I'll pop you head like a watermelon.
Matt Kopfhamer:I was gonna say it was very, very mountain of
Alfredo Brown:New episode idea. New episode idea. Worst possible musical artist that could
Jagger May:have been introduced to this. Cardi B does Oppenheimer. Okay.
Matt Kopfhamer:Oh, man.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. Boys, Daredevil born again. It's time for the official season reviews. Jags, start us off. On a scale from one to 10, by the way, for those all watching or listening for the first time, scale of one to 10.
Jagger May:The lightest of sevens.
Alfredo Brown:Okay.
Jagger May:Like, the six and a half. Let's just say six and a half. It's the six and a
Alfredo Brown:reference for other people, you gave the acolyte a six, the boys season four, a seven, house of the dragon season two, a six arcane seven and a half. Just going back to some of our older stuff.
Jagger May:Six and a half. Okay. Yeah. That's right. I'm consistent.
Jagger May:Alright.
Alfredo Brown:Jags at six and a half. Cough, where are you at?
Matt Kopfhamer:I'll give it a six. I felt like there should have been more resolution than there was. And, again, I just like, okay. Going back to the finale, like, we have this intense scene with, like, fist doing shit, and then it cuts the daredevil and Karen looking for files. And it's like, okay.
Matt Kopfhamer:This this feels like two different shows happening now. So I I I was very up and down in this whole season. The highs are really high. The lows to me are really low, so I'm gonna give it a six.
Alfredo Brown:I'm gonna go a little bit higher than you guys. I'm gonna give the show a seven. And I know we had the ups and downs of the series. I know we had even our own ups and downs within this finale. But this show itself was really in a no win scenario because it was having to follow-up something that was so beloved and come in to a an IP, a franchise in Marvel that was so Developed.
Alfredo Brown:There was there was so much there's so much disdain for Marvel right now, and they are so far down the line that this project of Daredevil born again that underwent so many reshoots and so many changes, it had so much weight on its shoulders. And for what it gave us, it made us care about these characters again, not the new ones, but it made us care about these characters again. I think that Vincent D'Onofrio and Charlie Cox assimilated perfectly back into their roles. And, honestly, I left this season saying, I want more. And not just that I want the closure of this season is that I'll take two or three more seasons of Daredevil.
Alfredo Brown:I want to see him in the MCU. I want this character again. So you you brought it back. It's I don't wanna be corny and say it's truly born again, but I care about the character once again. After seven years away, I mean, it's impressive to be able to do that and come back and and be as successful as they were.
Alfredo Brown:Well, gents, that, that brings us out to a six and a half on the scale. We gotta find out what Vig has for this show whenever he stops being a dad.
Jagger May:Probably six knowing Vig. It it won't it won't be a seven, I don't think. So
Alfredo Brown:We're gonna
Jagger May:Or he'll do that vague thing where he'll just, like, like, talk bad about it, and he's just like, overall, an eight.
Alfredo Brown:Eight. He'll have some, like, amazing thing that he found on Reddit about how, like, the history of Hell's Kitchen has really constructed who Matt Murdock is, and that's gonna change everything in New York. Yeah. That's Yeah. That's fake.
Alfredo Brown:That's fake.
Jagger May:Miss you, Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:We do miss him. Big, if you listen to this, this is your test. We love you. We miss you, buddy. Guys, I think that's gonna be a wrap for us.
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Alfredo Brown:For myself, for Jag, for Koff. Wanna thank you guys for watching and listening all the way through. We'll see you next time. Get it out. I got the
Matt Kopfhamer:black lung, paw.
Alfredo Brown:My favorite is to go I have diarrhea. I always tell Gabby, I'm like, you gotta use that on a work call. She's like, oh, I have diarrhea.
Jagger May:That's fucking great.
Alfredo Brown:Now I gotta hope these hiccups don't keep happening during the show.
Jagger May:Put yourself in the chest. That's always stops it.
Alfredo Brown:Don't know if you're
Jagger May:cheating or or not. Born. Not. I just He
Alfredo Brown:really wanted to watch you just go,
Jagger May:bop. Yeah, dude. I've seen I've gotten, like, three people to do it.
Matt Kopfhamer:What is he doing? That's what's going on. I can work from fear.
Jagger May:That's what I'm saying. I was like, it sounds like it could be right.
Alfredo Brown:It's just believable enough.
Jagger May:They're like, oh, wow. I was like, yeah. You just bruised your sternum. That's fucking Don't you feel dumb now? Stupid.
Jagger May:Now you're in pain
Alfredo Brown:and you have hiccups. You're in pain.
Matt Kopfhamer:That's a fantastic break, dude.
Jagger May:I'm not even a real doctor.
Alfredo Brown:The funny like, my brain had to really do, like, the the thought process really fast. I was like, wait a second.
Matt Kopfhamer:It kinda makes sense when you don't think about it.
Alfredo Brown:Honestly, what stopped me is that I wear my ring on my on, like, a chain, like, I'm fucking Frodo because it broke, and I just didn't wanna accidentally punch the ring into me and just break my shit. And I thought about it, and I was like, wait a second. Why am I considering this?
Jagger May:Thirty four years of history has told me
Alfredo Brown:this when I have hiccups.
Jagger May:Today was like a history on why Jagger was a bad kid growing up. Like, yeah, dude. Why don't you try this? Hey. You see that?
Jagger May:I'll let him
Alfredo Brown:just talking to the other kids. He's like, yeah. You see that beautiful tree over there? I'd better be even cooler if it was on fire.
Jagger May:It's because,
Alfredo Brown:yeah, let's do that.
