On today's episode of the UnBinged podcast, we're giving you our breakdown and review of the last of us season two episode two titled Through the Valley. We get the big attack on the town of Jackson, and, honestly, I can't even say anything else. Tommy, Ellie, Abby, Joel, we are unwell. All that and more on an all new episode of Unbinged starting.
Samantha Holt:This is your official spoiler warning for The Last of Us season two episode two. Make sure you go watch that devastating episode before you listen to this and get even more sad and cry with us.
Alfredo Brown:Sam, this episode, are you feeling?
Samantha Holt:Emotionally devastated. I feel like I knew that it was coming. I didn't know when, though. And I have to really give it to the showrunners. They did an amazing job of sending off an amazing character.
Samantha Holt:Like, this was a hell of a way to go for Joel, but I'm I'm still not okay. I had to watch Bridgerton afterwards. I needed something to make me laugh. I just I needed I needed a moment. Like, it was I was not okay.
Samantha Holt:I was like, okay. Needed something back to reality. And then I couldn't sleep. So yeah.
Alfredo Brown:What's what's the happy content that everyone had to watch afterwards?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Love on the spectrum.
Jagger May:Not my choice.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I don't I don't know if this is a me thing, a guy thing, but I I just went to sleep. Like, I took twenty minutes to just contemplate life or, like, you know, see what was going on and then just went to sleep. I couldn't deal with anything. I saw Righteous Gemstones on my playlist. I was like, I can't tonight.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I can't laugh after why
Alfredo Brown:That's too deep for me right now. Yeah. I like it.
Jagger May:That's kinda wild Koff, that you could just, like, raw dog those thoughts. You're like, alright. I guess someone's wrong.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I am mentally unwell.
Alfredo Brown:Koff is?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mentally unwell.
Alfredo Brown:Koff is that meme? Have you ever seen the meme of just, like, the cow that's, like, in the ocean, and it's just there on the shore, feet inside the water, just staring out into the disc. That's cough. He just hit that moment. He's like, what is life?
Alfredo Brown:What are we?
Jagger May:Pretty much. We're just on a rock. Pretty much. I I immediately go to, like, Parks and Rec or something like that. I'm like Yeah.
Jagger May:Let's go to familiarity.
Samantha Holt:For context. For I
Matthew Kopfhamer:did watch Sinners earlier in the day, and that had me, like, already emotionally raw. So I went into this episode of The Last of Us already kinda, like, on on a emotional edge. And then this show just like, boop off.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. And
Matthew Kopfhamer:there was no regret. There was no regret.
Alfredo Brown:Your your soul is tired right now.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah, man. I need I need a nap.
Alfredo Brown:Jag, how'd you like this episode?
Jagger May:Just wanna say this was fantastic television. To to keep the sadness aside, what the fuck? This was wild. And I was bold enough to to even say, like, out loud while watching it. I'm like, holy fuck.
Jagger May:We're getting a hard home episode. This felt like Game of Thrones Bad Dirt. Yeah. Bad Dirt. Yeah.
Jagger May:I don't know. Hardhome's one of my favorite episodes of TV ever, but I'm willing to say it's close. Yeah. It's close. But just because, like, all the shit that happened.
Jagger May:We're we're talking about arguably one death that was impactful, but so many fucking people died in Jackson. You had, like, the bloater buster. You had what was crazy is when the homie opens up the pipe and you just see the swarm of the of the walkers just fucking take off a runners. Excuse me. Take off.
Jagger May:It was the best zombie depiction. Like, full disclosure, I think zombies are a dumbass concept. Sorry. I think they're dumb. This does a really good job, and that and that's the testament.
Jagger May:Like, this World War z, I'm like, that's fucking scary. Like, that is horrifying, and we wouldn't survive that. And kudos to them for bringing in such a captivating and emotional moment, but having action that's going on throughout where you're almost desensitized. You're worried about what's happening with Joel, that you're watching a whole town get kinda slaughtered. You're like, holy fuck.
Jagger May:But what about papa Pedro? You know?
Alfredo Brown:And and you're watching hundreds of people die. You're like, oh, no. Anyways, what's going on with Joel?
Matthew Kopfhamer:But to jump off of that, Jagger, I am loving how this show is depicting the evolution of the cordyceps becoming more of a collective hive mind to becoming smarter. And I think that's because they infected humans. And now, you know, what is it? Thirty years later or almost thirty years after the outbreak, we have this real evolution of the hive mind getting more strategic, getting sneakier, utilizing its own dead as insulation to to basically hibernate under the snow in these harsh conditions. I mean, that to me is the most astounding part of this show besides all the emotional payoff with Joel and with Abby and with Ellie.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Just I am fascinated to see how they're gonna continue to play this evolution of the cordyceps virus and how it can be continuously threatening to people. Because you're right, Jagger. Most zombie shows and movies, it's like, okay. After, like, two years of a zombie outbreak, they should all be rotted away and not a threat anymore. And we kinda saw that with the walking dead where it's like, okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Now the real threat's other people. Like, this is truly still terrifying thirty years later that these infected are still a damn menace compare especially when you look at Jackson Hole's, how prepared they were, and they still got wrecked.
Jagger May:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:I I love how you said that, Jagger, that these zombies are actually something and, I mean, we don't have to call them zombies, but I guess we're just using that terminology here that it's just they're actually scary, because you're right. Zombies are never really that's it's kinda like watching the Chucky movies. You're like, I would just kick the shit out of that doll, and that's it. Like, movie's over. Right?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yep.
Alfredo Brown:Same thing with zombies. You're like, I'm just gonna walk at a slightly brisker pace, and they won't catch me. Like, these guys are actually fucking terrifying the way this show goes.
Jagger May:Yeah. To train you can't train for this. Like, for a Walking Dead apocalypse, all I gotta do is set that that treadmill to, like, seven incline with a nice brisk pace and and, you know, like, get my get my cardio in, and I'm fine. You give me a nine iron, you know, like like, well, Abbe's weapon of choice, and you're good. Here, you have fucking Tommy emptying the clip of a flamethrower, and then, like, the bloater is, like, almost still trying to it.
Jagger May:Yeah. And this does a good job. Even though it's easy for me to get removed from reality, with zombies, I'm weirdly vague about this, where I'm just like, well, actually, scientifically. But this does a good job for me of keeping me involved. I don't wanna talk about, how they're insulating themselves on the ground because I have a lot of questions on that, but I'm just gonna keep that the vault.
Jagger May:So
Alfredo Brown:So something I loved about this episode was aside from it just being so cool. Right? Like, there were so many things visually that we got to see. There was lot of excitement. There was a lot of emotion.
Alfredo Brown:One, I love it. This was not a finale type episode. They gave us a finale type episode, but in the second episode of the season. So I do start to ask the question is, like, does it all kinda go downhill from now? Is it just to crash out the rest of the season?
Alfredo Brown:Is that where we're gonna go? And I think that's the intention because I think that this episode is all about pushing our characters to their limits and pushing the audience to their limits. And hearing the showrunners talk about how this episode and this storyline is about seeing how much can you deal with and then realizing, oh, damn. I can deal with more. That has me thinking like this this not only is just the start of everything, but the crash out is gonna be bigger for a lot of these characters.
Alfredo Brown:And it's going to get even more disheartening and more violent and more crazy. And it's not to get too philosophical here, but I think it just goes back to that same trope that you always see in every, hero movie, everything with the protagonist antagonist. Hate cannot beat hate. You you let hate take over, and you become the thing that you're trying to stop all the time. And I I think that's what we're gonna end up seeing here with Ellie.
Jagger May:Yep. Thank you. I I don't know. I I guess, like like, Sam, you've been quiet on here, like, to ask you for a different opinion on here. Do you care more about the stakes of, like, the world?
Jagger May:Meaning, like, we're seeing the the advancements of cordyceps, but clearly, we're gonna get an Ellie side quest to go kill Abby. Because like what Alfredo said, and I know a lot a lot of people in the comments disagreed with me from last episode, it's this feels like Game of Thrones in a sense where, like, Jon Snow's, like, all this petty shit you're talking about doesn't matter.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Doesn't
Jagger May:matter. You know, they are holding up thousands and plotting to kill us. It's like, alright, your dad died, your dad died, we're all fatherless and sad, let's try to like, we got a therapist, go talk to her, but in the meantime, y'all some soldiers, let's try to plot some shit and make a real game plan. Because that is my big question here, is to keep this level of heightened stakes. The human shit, I I feel like it's gonna be distracting at some point to me, and I'm worried about that.
Jagger May:I don't know about you.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. I mean, that's a really good question and take on this because I do feel like the back and forth, even from last episode, I think I said something similar. You know, Abby's got nothing but hate, and that was what's driving her. For five years, we had that buildup going into the first episode knowing that she's had this rage building up. And we saw all of that rage get let loose in this episode.
Samantha Holt:And now we're obviously gonna see some level of Ellie going out and for vengeance as well. And how much vengeance can go back and forth in this world? I mean, I think, again, we kinda talked about it a little bit last week. Humans aren't able to evolve the same way that these cordyceps are able to evolve and
Jagger May:Not even emotionally.
Samantha Holt:Grow. Not even emotionally. Like, we're still at this top level of heightened emotion of I care most about what's happened to me, to my life, to those I love. And I think it's gonna obviously we're gonna have another big moment of them coming together and vengeance fight again. But, I mean, personally, I'm just I really like the evolution of the cordyceps.
Samantha Holt:It's to me also equally fascinating the storyline of the zombies evolving further than the humans can evolve and just seeing that level of conflict of growth and how you know? We're all lost at the end of the day. It is is this not
Jagger May:what happens in real life?
Alfredo Brown:Like, honestly, like, we all get so caught up with our own shit that we don't see the big things around us. Like, Jack, half the time you and Koff tell me something about what happened in politics. I'm like, oh, word? Like, I have no idea. And because, like, I choose to to block a lot of those things out of my life, but that's very much what these characters are doing.
Alfredo Brown:They're looking at their own shit, and honestly, so many of them are choosing I mean, come on. If they were really doing their their maintenance on the pipes, they would have probably thought about how the cordyceps and the the tendrils are growing through there. They're all distracted. I think that's what I think that that's what gives us this plate a bunch of different flavors instead of just eating steak over and over and over and over. And what's your fight with the the cordyceps?
Alfredo Brown:We're getting some veggies. We're getting some potatoes. We're getting different things in the plate. And that's why I kinda think we need this, and it once again, it takes something like the end of the world and makes it slightly more relatable, that we're all just kind of a little bit of a bunch of selfish fucks deep down.
Jagger May:And I think I think that needs and, again, I haven't played the video game or know how it goes. And I'm and, obviously, they're they're trying to expand and make this longer, so we're gonna get some differences. But I hope that is a main plot device. Like, I'm okay with all the human elements, but I need some rationality and some person that's just like, none of your shit matters. Because, like, Owen, I think was his name of, like, Abby's guy.
Jagger May:I the only complaint I'll have about, like, Caitlin Deaver or whatever, is just like, if this little girl is crazy and ordered me around to shut the fuck up and and all this shit, I was like, alright, you're getting pissed to whip, little girl, and we're going home. Like, this is crazy, because like, in any other circumstance, they'd probably be killed. Let's let's be realistic. If it wasn't for the perfect storm, quite literally coming through and having the zombies and putting everyone through, they would never have achieved their goal. So I'm hoping Owen or someone in this, whatever, this cast of characters that we have, is the voice of reason and it is a plot point to like, at least keep someone like me a bit grounded to where someone's like, hey, we've got bloaters, we've got now stalkers, we've got whatever the fuck the snow people are now.
Jagger May:Maybe maybe there should be a more collaboration and less, you know, eye for an eye.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Well, here's the thing, though. So we're seeing, obviously, this this story is a cycle of revenge, of rage. Like, we're seeing it now with Ellie that Joel is dead. Now her main focus is getting revenge. We saw that with Abby, you know, for five years.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Her entire focus, her entire life was how do I hunt down this man that killed my father and take him out in the worst possible way, the most torturous way I can imagine. So what I'm interested as far as story goes is oh god. Yeah. So boring. Anyway, what I'm really interested in seeing is how that dichotomy between Abby finally realizing, like, she got what she wanted.
Matthew Kopfhamer:She got that revenge, and it it does nothing for her. Nothing. She's not gonna Yeah. She's gonna realize she is still as empty as she was before she put that golf club through his neck. So are we gonna see her crash out and spiral further while while we see Ellie go through that, like, mountain top climb of, gotta get through that rage, get to the top of the apex, and what's that confrontation gonna look like when they finally do meet, I'm guessing in Seattle, where you have Abby realizing, like, what she did wasn't right.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And while she thought in the moment it was cathartic, she's come to realize over however long the show's gonna be that it wasn't the choice that's gonna make her grow. And are we gonna see that confrontation? And is she gonna be able to convey that to Ellie, or is it gonna be another, nope. Ellie's gonna do the revenge thing, and we're gonna repeat the cycle into going into season three. So I'm really interested to see how that plays out.
Jagger May:See, I hope it's not that. I hope this revenge cycle at least ends with this season because, like, I just get tired of watching human beings being human in a very stupid way. And I know that that's crazy to to say. No.
Samantha Holt:I think that's very profound. I'm I'm tired of people watching people be people. They're people do people things.
Jagger May:Yeah. It's like that's really Stupid people. It's embarrassing. You'll just be in people.
Matthew Kopfhamer:People should be more like the fungi.
Samantha Holt:Person be a person.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Let the people be fungi.
Jagger May:Do do you guys think the therapist survived? I feel like like I shit on a therapist. I feel like
Matthew Kopfhamer:She was yeah.
Jagger May:She was in the basement. Could have fixed she could have fixed this plot. Like, it'll be just like, Abby, come on now. You know? My Joel killed my husband too.
Jagger May:I bombarded him and ruined it there a piece of succession over whiskey, and now we're fine now. You know? Like, I don't know I don't know if it's gonna go down just like that. But, like, I I feel like Abby needs a hug, maybe a drink, and, like, someone to talk to, and it could solve a lot of these tertiary problems. Let's just say what it is.
Jagger May:Like, your main problem is that nature's trying to fucking kill you. So, you know, good luck to Are
Matthew Kopfhamer:you trying to say that therapy is important? Because I agree.
Alfredo Brown:We're not doing this again. We're not doing it. We spent all of last episode talking about therapy.
Jagger May:The whole episode was therapy, though. Let's be fair. And and I guess to bring it back to the show, I get why they kept that episode one so chill. It's like, we're just gonna talk about Just
Alfredo Brown:the calm before the storm.
Jagger May:Yeah. We're gonna talk about therapy. We're gonna do a little dance. We're gonna throw around some slurs, and then we're gonna
Alfredo Brown:kill a bunch of people. I'll warm you up with some slurs.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Speaking of, I really like that scene where I I know I know it's a video game adaptation from the second game, but I really like how they included the scene of of Mary Maria making Seth apologize for his outburst. And then I did enjoy that because it really shows how Jackson Hole is almost like this idyllic post apocalyptic society. Everyone has a role and a purpose. Everyone is inclusive even when, you know, they get a little homophobic. They still realize in the light of day, like, hey, we need to come together despite our differences to make sure we don't succumb to this external threat like the cordyceps.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So kind of going back to what you were saying, Jack, where or or Alfredo, where everyone's a little distracted, they're still doing what they need to do to survive together. And I really enjoyed seeing that versus what we see time and time again in these post apocalyptic shows where it's like, oh, it's just fascist. It's just, you you have one leader who is brutal and and does all the the thinking, and everyone just follows or they die. Whereas this is much more of a true community. And I think this is a actual realistic look into what a post apocalyptic society would look like because we are a social creature at the end of the day.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And our four like, you know, going all the way back to caveman times, like, if we didn't come together as community, we would have died alone. So I I think this is a really realistic look at how we can rebuild after something so devastating. So I I did enjoy that aspect of the show.
Alfredo Brown:Cough just needs this as a playbook for when everything goes to shit.
Samantha Holt:How to handle apocalypse.
Jagger May:Cough is gonna be your apocalypse job.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, I wanna be in the kitchen.
Samantha Holt:Oh. Kitchen.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Be with the food?
Alfredo Brown:Kitchen.
Matthew Kopfhamer:What's everyone's access to
Samantha Holt:What's everyone's job?
Alfredo Brown:I get now I now I'm too curious what's everyone's job.
Samantha Holt:I wanna be spotter. Like, binoculars, eye in the sky, like, calling it out.
Jagger May:Ideally, like, I'm good at building. I know a lot about building, but I'm also good at I've heard. Strategy oh, fuck you, Alfredo. Strategy and tactics. And and
Matthew Kopfhamer:So you'd be Joel? Just say it. You'd Joel.
Jagger May:I'd be I'd be Joel. Like, I'm good at killing and building. You want a house?
Samantha Holt:Or do you want a Murder for hire?
Alfredo Brown:I got you. I don't
Samantha Holt:what would I be? Solid business.
Alfredo Brown:What would be? I have no idea.
Jagger May:Honestly, Alfredo
Matthew Kopfhamer:You'd be the radio guy.
Jagger May:You'd be Tommy or Maria. Like, you'd probably be like, it's some type of admin role or something. And I don't mean that, like, bad. It's like, you're a good manager, you know? I'm an ace.
Jagger May:I don't I I want no rules and very little responsibility, but I'm very effective.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So, Elliot,
Samantha Holt:I want
Alfredo Brown:no rules. No rules. You can't tell
Matthew Kopfhamer:me what to do. My name's Jagger.
Samantha Holt:I'm a graphic designer. I I'm hopefully not gonna die first. Like, I don't know. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. We're we're gonna keep talking more about this because I wanna dive deeper into some of these characters. But before we do that, I wanna let everyone know. We got a giveaway. Some happy stuff going on here.
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Alfredo Brown:I cough. I know you already saw it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's good.
Alfredo Brown:I know you saw it, but, man, the the reviews
Samantha Holt:are see it. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:The reviews are insane. Alright. Back to Last of Us, because I wanna ask this question. This has been kind of the the thing that everyone's talking about online and all the complaints have been with Caitlin Deaver and her role as Abby.
Jagger May:Not my muscle, mommy.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Okay. Well, start the movement, Jack. Get a get a shorter hashtag if you're gonna do it. Is she nailing this role for you?
Alfredo Brown:Is she is she doing it? Like, regardless of the physical look, is she I'm not asking if she's buffing up. Is she hitting this role for you?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. That emotional rage was believable. Like, her going off on Joel
Samantha Holt:The torment.
Matthew Kopfhamer:When when yes. And especially the line when he's, like, he's trying to just rush her along, and she's like, shut up, old man. This you don't get the rush. Like, I was like, oh, damn. Okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, I can see why someone like Owen would take a step back and actually listen to this five foot two girl. Like, she has the rage and the fire inside of her to make people listen. And she's just charismatic enough to where they'll they'll stop questioning and just do what she says. So I I'm blown away by her acting. I don't give a shit that she doesn't she's not six foot tall and has, you know, gigantic arms.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, to me, it's more realistic that a 19 year old girl in the post apocalypse would be undersized and kinda lean. Like, that to me is very believable because she's probably been on the run with limited resources and probably starvation resources. So where is she gonna find the time to bulk up? It's not like she can break into a GMC and take all the protein powder. Like
Alfredo Brown:Just injecting creatine right into her body.
Jagger May:I mean, you're a % right. Like, it it people don't understand. It's like, why does she build muscle in an apocalypse? Like, you know how hard it is to get,
Matthew Kopfhamer:like, 200 and Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:I think the best thing is the people complaining about that are the ones that have not been to a gym in years.
Samantha Holt:A %.
Alfredo Brown:In years. Yes. They're they're the actual name. Yeah.
Samantha Holt:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Why is it so hard for you to
Samantha Holt:put on muscle? Why is it you why is so hard for you?
Jagger May:That's like, baby girl, you go go in there in the squat rack and and show me what you could do, and then you could talk
Alfredo Brown:to me.
Jagger May:Like, you come step to me or about or anyone for that matter. Because it's like Caitlin Beaver, let's just give her credit. She is an actress, so I'm sure she's in shape. So it's like, it well, you can go run a mile, you know, then could they'd complain. I'm I'm sure there's someone out there.
Jagger May:I can run a mile, I play video games. Good for you, dude. You're still a bitch and an asshole, and you're being weird about it. So
Alfredo Brown:We we do we do the the physical thing, like, way too much, man. Like, were were people really all that upset about Jon Snow being short? Like, Kit Harington's not a big dude, and he's supposed to be this, like, this hero.
Jagger May:Little baby ass dude. Like Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Used to Like, he he's how how many Mission Impossible movies well, I've been watching those, marathoning it with the family here. And Tom Cruise. Maybe. Little dude. That's a little dude.
Alfredo Brown:That's a little dude.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He's like five two, five four at the moment.
Alfredo Brown:Just a wee line. Nobody complains. Yeah. Nobody complains, but you get you get one female in a role where she doesn't have massive arms, and we're complaining. I think Caitlyn Deaver's crushing this.
Jagger May:Yeah. Do you guys really want a wrestler ever like, get Rhea Ripley. I'm not hating on wrestling guys, but, like, she's not exactly a trained actress. Like, you know, so, like, if I'm gonna get prestige television, I don't want The Rock out there pretending to be fucking Joel giving me, you know
Alfredo Brown:I saw Scorpion King.
Jagger May:Yeah. It's like, is he gonna give me motivational quotes? Imagine The Rock is Joel. It's just like, Abby, I know you're sad right now. You know?
Alfredo Brown:It doesn't matter if you're sad. Yeah. We do
Jagger May:it from the Rock, Abby.
Samantha Holt:She's no. You want a good actress, and I think she's done a very good job of getting you emotionally, like, to, one, be sad with her that obviously her dad died, but also then be really angry with her because obviously she just stole our Joel from us. So I think that she's doing a really good job of that range. And, obviously, like you mentioned, Koff, she's got that charisma that's allowing this group to continue to follow her through the storm. And even though they're questioning it, only when she's not in the room, hey.
Samantha Holt:Why are we doing this? And like, no. No. We'll we'll try and convince her. We'll try and convince her.
Samantha Holt:And then they're all just standing back watching her go rage full on on Joel. And it's just like, yeah. None of us are interrupting this.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Speaking of that scene, did you notice the different reactions from the group members? Like, we had I think his name was Manny, was, like, into it.
Alfredo Brown:You mean Falcon?
Matthew Kopfhamer:He was he was like,
Jagger May:Falcon. Yeah. There you go. I knew
Matthew Kopfhamer:I recognized it. Thank you. Okay.
Alfredo Brown:He he's he's the Danny Ramirez. He's he's the new Falcon.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Thank you. Mhmm. So him you could see the hunger in his eyes as he watch as he's watching her torture.
Jagger May:He caught
Alfredo Brown:him up and there was he walked out. Like, you you cursed the dead body, dude.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I thought he was gonna spit on him, to be honest. Yeah. But then you also see, I think, Mel, the the more medic type where she is disgusted. Like, she's ready to puke watching that happen. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So it was really interesting watching the different reactions from that group and how you could see who bought in to Abby's revenge and who were just there kinda along for the ride because they had no other choice.
Jagger May:Yeah. I love that you brought that up, man, because I was thinking the whole time. Because that's what brought up why are you guys allowing this? Because clearly, two people are angry, and the other three are just like, well, I guess. It's just like, I would tell everyone straight up.
Jagger May:Let's say, like, we're in a group, Alfredo, if you're our leader, the moment you go crazy, you best believe I'm gonna be the one that's gonna put a bullet in your skull. I love you so much.
Alfredo Brown:Thanks,
Jagger May:man. I appreciate the first one to do it. Like, it's not it's not even a question, dog. Like, you start doing some wild shit like that. I'm like, clearly, he's off his rocker.
Alfredo Brown:I mean, talk to me first.
Jagger May:I think they tried. I think they tried, and they ended up
Alfredo Brown:This is probably five years. Five years. Yeah. No. I I gotta assume there was at least a conversation around the campfire
Samantha Holt:with some more information. Back in the restaurant, you're not gonna just,
Alfredo Brown:like, question me. I said medium rare.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. Then And then Jack's like, I am done with your chair shit.
Jagger May:Yeah. You wanna call back. It's like, oh my god. It's I was afraid I was just like, it was always gonna be you, Jack. And I'm like, yep.
Alfredo Brown:Jagger's had it on the calendar for months now. We're going to the Longhorn steak house. This is the day Alfredo loses his shit. I'm
Jagger May:gonna set you out
Alfredo Brown:too, dog.
Samantha Holt:And I lose mine.
Alfredo Brown:Okay.
Jagger May:Real talk, like, can can we talk about the logistics of this? Because, like, full disclosure, I live right below Wyoming. Worked in Wyoming extensively. Colorado. That's how states work, dog.
Jagger May:I live in Colorado. It's right there.
Samantha Holt:Is that
Alfredo Brown:how they work? They they judge.
Samantha Holt:Are they all next to
Alfredo Brown:each other? Kauf and I are in Florida. It's like, we're in the shit.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Geography, not our strong suit.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. We're we're in the STD ridden penis of America. Okay? Like, we we we know what Florida is. For sure.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Get me out.
Jagger May:If she was just like, we're gonna go to Wyoming in the winter for Seattle. We're gonna walk and, you know, we're gonna do this. I'm she is fucking nuts. We're gonna go to the mountains. We're not equipped for that at all.
Jagger May:We know nothing about this environment. And, you're gonna go in the fucking winter. It's just it's wild to me. And, I'm from around here. And literally when I saw them out there, I'm like, which one's gonna die frostbite first?
Jagger May:So
Matthew Kopfhamer:don't know. Surprisingly, Dina. Well, didn't see that coming.
Alfredo Brown:Hey. Hey. Don't you put that on Dina. Don't you put that I'm not losing
Matthew Kopfhamer:She might lose her she might lose her hand, because that was, like, really severe frostbite and they didn't
Jagger May:It was only her thumb in the most important appendage on that hand.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Was it her right hand or left hand?
Jagger May:Was it right or left?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Didn't
Jagger May:It's left. Okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. She can lose that. She can lose that hand. She'll be fine.
Alfredo Brown:Does it matter? Does it
Matthew Kopfhamer:matter? If she's left handed, it does. If she's right handed,
Jagger May:it doesn't. Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. Talk
Jagger May:about some more important. Gotta lose something. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:I I wanna talk about something we we discussed last episode where we were asking, does this show have a protagonist, an antagonist? I think now we can all very firmly put Abby into the antagonist bucket here. I I don't know if there's still I mean, may maybe you can still claim perspective. Right? It's all perspective.
Alfredo Brown:But I think the way the show is pitting this is that you are rooting for Ellie to get her revenge, and they have now flipped you well, I I would think most people are. You you just wanna, like ironically, you don't want people to die in this, and, like, you love the sad shit.
Jagger May:Yeah, dude. I'm I'm rational. I'm just a rational person. Like, sadness is rational Here
Alfredo Brown:Not all the time.
Jagger May:And fucking up everyone else's problems because you had a bad day. That is not rational.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. But but my point was this, though. It's like, I feel like the show has taken this and and and sort of done the Jedi mind trick on us where we see Abby as the antagonist, as the villain because she got her she wanted to get her revenge, and it was on someone that we knew and we like. But now that Ellie wants to get her revenge, we're like, fuck yeah, Ellie. You do that.
Alfredo Brown:You go and kill her. And I we're we're just it it's perspective. It goes back into it. But they have set us up now with antagonist, protagonist. And I think the thing that's going to make us continue to cheer for Ellie is not just that we spent so much time with her and spent so much time with Joel, but I think at some point or another, all of us have had that fear that maybe you won't get to say goodbye to that person you love or you're going to lose that person that you love while you're still on bad terms, something like that.
Alfredo Brown:Like like, my wife and I, we always live by the code of, like, we don't go to bed angry. You you just you just don't. Like right? Like, we you you never wanna, like, not wake up the next day, and you still got that thing and that's holding on to you eating to you. I think that makes Ellie, well, once again, the character who is so unrelatable, who is, in many ways, the Jesus or the the Paul Atreides character, a lot more relatable.
Alfredo Brown:And I'm I'm thinking that that's gonna be the rest of this season is us watching her crash out but having to cheer for her a bit more.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. Yeah. I also think we're gonna get some flashback episodes of over the last five years
Alfredo Brown:Oh, yeah.
Samantha Holt:Their relationship as it was deteriorating deteriorating. Because one, I want that because I can't go a week without seeing Pedro Pascal. I'm just gonna be really devastated if he's just gone now. So really gonna be living by these flashbacks for myself personally. But, yeah, I just think it's it's gonna be a bit of that.
Alfredo Brown:Is anybody hotter than Pedro right now?
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. I don't think so.
Alfredo Brown:Not in Hollywood.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I mean He
Samantha Holt:is I mean,
Alfredo Brown:Last of Us, Fantastic Four, Mandalorian, and Grogu. Okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Chalamet's up there, but he hasn't been in on a on a show recently.
Jagger May:I think it's well, I I think Pedro does TV, and as Timothee Chalamet just does franchises.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Big movies. I don't I don't how remember Pedro's doing big movies too, though.
Jagger May:Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Rogue or Mandalorian.
Jagger May:So is
Matthew Kopfhamer:pretty hot. He's huge IPs. He's in huge IPs right now.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. Yeah.
Jagger May:He's probably the most in demand guy.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Rightfully so.
Alfredo Brown:So I mean, shit. And I and I wonder this because, like, with with Pedro being a guy who's on on the rise still, like, he he feels like he's been on the rise for years and just only the star's only burning brighter. I actually asked this about last of us. Is this our new Game of Thrones replacement as the not only best quality, but I think most accessible show for audiences? Because while severance was great, it wasn't really that accessible.
Alfredo Brown:There were lot of people that got bored after a couple episodes, surprisingly, or they just don't simply have Apple Apple TV plus. White Lotus wasn't for everyone. Game of Thrones feels like that time where we're all sitting excuse me. The Last of Us feels like Game of Thrones, where we're all sitting in front of that TV every Sunday night watching this together again. Has this become that replacement for Game of Thrones yet?
Jagger May:I said I that's why I gave the Hardhome reference here because I think they have the opportunity to set up and I don't mean like a direct rip off because if anything, Game of Thrones didn't stick this landing, but they have a chance to set up. We got our our conflict between people, but the entire time there's this looming big thing happening, and it's whatever the quarter steps do in their evolution where we can have three or four seasons. And as long as they have an ending in sight and they have that set up, we can get four or five seasons of of solid show, and everyone's gonna be captivated because of the universe they've already built so far.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And I will say this right now, the attack on Jackson Hole was already much more masterfully done than anything in the final season Game of Thrones, especially
Jagger May:That's not a clue. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yes. I mean, far far and away
Alfredo Brown:Like, put this up against, what's the what's the episode where everything was so dark that people are like, I didn't see the the entire
Jagger May:battle Winterfell. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Fucking dog shit episode. This shows how actual strategy in defending a a strategic point makes sense. They utilize the walls. They utilize spotters. They utilize the fire.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I mean It was a tower. Okay. Right. Yeah. They did everything right, and they still got breached.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then they didn't panic. They were still able to utilize their their, training and utilize the people within the town and then finally the dogs to clear out that attack. Whereas we saw with the Battle of Winterfell, it just a fucking dog shit mess even though they had two giant fucking dragons to help out. Sorry. I still have a little bit of Game of Thrones rage built up.
Jagger May:Valid like
Samantha Holt:There was a couple of people that ran away during during the battle, though. I mean, the there's there's some people that dropped their flamethrowers because they were like, well, I've been given flamethrower duty today, but I never thought it would happen. And they're like, I never thought it would happen, and they
Matthew Kopfhamer:Which is
Samantha Holt:really good. They'll get put on a different assignment.
Jagger May:Yeah. I don't I don't think they expected the volume. I've like, I I'm sure they expected maybe a hundred that would come through, and then you could sit there and kinda mow them down. But, like, literally, they were probably smart to not just sit there and give up a flamethrower in the middle of the shit. Like like, to be honest, I think that was a smart move there.
Jagger May:You know? Because, like, how do you expect thousands like that? And that's funny. We almost had a I would what's the term for it? It was a foreshadowing there.
Jagger May:Was like, how many could be under there? It's like, could be, you know, dozens, could be thousands, like,
Matthew Kopfhamer:could
Jagger May:it's not 10,000. That could never happen. And low and fucking behold. Low and and fucking yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. I do wanna shout out the goodest boys. I wanna shout out the goodest boys in the world. Those dogs.
Jagger May:They are goodest boys. Goodest meld. They're like, that's some fuck shit. Like, they didn't
Alfredo Brown:That's some fuck shit. I need to train my dog better. She would not do any she would fucking run. She would drop her flamethrower and peace out. Something fell off the wall in the middle of the night, and she got under the covers and shivered.
Alfredo Brown:Like, no. Don't don't. She's a German Shepherd mix. Like, she's she's built for this.
Jagger May:Yeah. My my pit bull is a 13 year old potato with cataracts. Thirteen year old potato. And my husky is absolutely fucking useless. Like, she she is there for companionship.
Jagger May:Momo. Yeah. She's like, I I I'm down to hang out. But if shit gets real, good luck, homie. Y'all be safe.
Alfredo Brown:We need a we need a pets episode. A a full pets episode of UnBinge, just us on the couch with our pets. Yeah. I want it. I need it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Both my dogs are more bite more bark than bite. That's for sure.
Alfredo Brown:Thank god none of the dogs died. I would probably wouldn't have kept him.
Jagger May:I'm gonna assume someone died. They just didn't show it. They're like, that's alive.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, don't need see Don't need
Samantha Holt:to see You
Jagger May:know who had it right?
Alfredo Brown:Dina. Dina was right this whole time because she sees Abby. She's like, who are you? Where did you come from? And then she's like, oh, the mountains.
Alfredo Brown:The mountains? You say it like it's the mall. Like, why are you in the mountains in the middle of winter during this attack? Like, what the fuck were you doing? That's not suspicious at all.
Alfredo Brown:Like, Dina had it right from the beginning.
Jagger May:Yeah. And it's crazy. Like, most of the mountain again, to give context, I have friends that live close to the mountains. During your winter season, you are fucked and isolated a lot of the time. You can't just dry I mean, granted, they have horses, but even still, you can't come down.
Jagger May:So the fact that, oh, we're from the mountains. To me, again, like, I think I'd be honestly too trigger happy because I'm like, uh-oh. This is sus. You know?
Matthew Kopfhamer:But but I think that goes back to the casting though because you see you see Abby in the show, and it's like, how threatening could she be? She has no weapons. She's running from this infected horde. She seems very unassuming, so you feel safe saving her and then be like, alright. We'll get you back to your group and your friends.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And it's not until the snare is already around his neck that Joel's like, I fucked up.
Alfredo Brown:This is this is where Joel is, though, mentally, is think about it. He's got this gap in his relationship where he's reaching out to Ellie, and he he can't mend that fence with her. So what is he doing? He's going out on patrol with Dina because maybe that's the thing that bridges it. And then, oh, look, there's another young lady that needs my help.
Alfredo Brown:Like, I'm I'm just gonna be Pedro daddy to everybody. And it it like, that's where he gets because Joel from a season ago would have had a shotgun to her temple.
Jagger May:Dude, that that's actually a great point here. It's like, Joel man, that's it makes a lot of sense because, like, it it it bothers me so much that Joel wouldn't have thought about the pipes. Like, it it bothers me so much. But the
Alfredo Brown:It's the distraction. It's the distraction of being a pseudo dad now.
Jagger May:And you gotta think, man, when you're in a he was even when he was behind, like, federal walls, whatever, he's in the trenches, dawg. It's not happy. He's, like, burning bodies for money, going out doing shit. When you could finally to bring it all back to where, like, our pre show conversation is, take that bra off for good at the end of day. You're just fucking comfortable.
Alfredo Brown:Take your Cordycep bra off, baby.
Jagger May:Yeah. And and you you you you kind of almost wanna take those burdens off. You're like, all I gotta worry about is building. So you're not thinking about being killed by mushrooms every fucking second of the day. You know?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. He gets a breather. That'd be nice.
Samantha Holt:I don't know what to do with Cordycep bra. I don't know what to do with that.
Jagger May:It makes sense. I have weird analogy, Sam. But but they
Alfredo Brown:were Do
Matthew Kopfhamer:you think do you think it'd be supportive? Supportive and comfortable?
Samantha Holt:No. Well, I mean, bras aren't supportive most of the time, and they're usually not comfortable. So, I mean, they're that's why you usually have, like, two that you always wear, and then you have, like, 20 that you never wear.
Alfredo Brown:Love it. We are we're well versed on this once again. We know Yeah. Things about women and bras. Yes.
Jagger May:I actually just learned something because I always wonder. I'm like, you got, like, 40 bras. Why the fuck do you need a new one?
Alfredo Brown:They're mostly for show. Yeah. They're drawer fillers. That's what they are.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. It's we took a risk. We thought we'd try something fun, and it didn't work out, but we're not gonna return it. So that's usually the case. And then you just stay with your old reliables.
Jagger May:My running shoes are too small.
Alfredo Brown:I was gonna say, do do men need more more more fun accessories? More fun underwear? No?
Jagger May:No. No. We wear underwear a blowout.
Alfredo Brown:What do we mean to assume that we're wearing underwear?
Jagger May:We wear underwear to a blowout. You know? Like, it's just like, oh, wow. That hole is is done. You know?
Samantha Holt:Yeah. My only thought is, like,
Matthew Kopfhamer:if Stuff's slipping out.
Alfredo Brown:Which one's the leg hole?
Samantha Holt:Throw them away. Just throw them away.
Jagger May:Literally, I wear clothes to, like Amy threw away these shorts that I'd worn in a kitchen one time. There's grease stains all over them. She's like, those are disgusting. I'm like, they're washed. They're just it's just Comfortable.
Jagger May:Yeah. Exactly. They're, like, nice and broken. Just throws them out. Like, that's how we wear clothes.
Jagger May:Like and I wear a shirt one time where the gym told me I couldn't wear it anymore because, like, like, the titty
Alfredo Brown:was just out. Like,
Jagger May:what's I'm sorry.
Samantha Holt:The gym told you?
Jagger May:What a
Samantha Holt:Is it excuse me, sir. Excuse me, sir. You can't wear that in here.
Jagger May:Yeah. It was it was literally
Alfredo Brown:Too much titty.
Jagger May:I look like in a movie where you, like, go through some shit in action, and then, like, they put the the fucking blanket over you. They're like, oh, you bet this stuff
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's all ripped and torn.
Jagger May:Torn and ripped. Yeah. And they're like, why are you wearing
Matthew Kopfhamer:like that too.
Jagger May:It's technically a covering.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Is it?
Samantha Holt:It's not covering if they're
Alfredo Brown:telling you how. Yeah. If you have to start something with it's technically, that's mean it's not. It's not that. It's just If
Matthew Kopfhamer:you're technically right if you're technically right, that's the best right to be.
Alfredo Brown:It's true. Yeah. I think we're technically done. By the way, cool cool cameo at the end of this episode. I don't know if you guys Ashley Johnson, the original voice of Abby from the game, she was the one that was singing that song.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, wow. The song through the valley at the end there as the credits were were getting to the end there. That was a cool little cool little cameo. I'm glad that they're they're staying true to the game in a lot of ways that I think are is appeasing to some fans, and most of the the normies don't even know. But the show the episode was great.
Alfredo Brown:The show's been great. Jack, what were you gonna say?
Jagger May:I bet that Abby's jacked.
Alfredo Brown:She's not. Actually, John. She's not. Actually, I have no idea. Technically, we're gonna be back again next week.
Alfredo Brown:Guys, like I mentioned, we have so much stuff. Actually, not next week. What am I saying? We're gonna be back again later this week because we've got Andor coming out. We gotta get into the theaters, guys.
Alfredo Brown:We gotta go watch Sinners. We're gonna figure out a day that we're gonna post this and give you guys our review because enough of you have told us in the comments that you want us to do a review on Sinners. And, honestly, like, I I think this could be changing the horror genre. I think Ryan Coogler and Michael b Jordan are coming into their own. Not that they haven't already been there, but I think it's just getting more and more cemented with public audiences.
Alfredo Brown:So I'm excited for that one. Like I mentioned, we have that 200 Amazon gift card giveaway. All you have to do, leave a review on Apple or Spotify, five star review with your suggestions of what content you wanna see from us, or drop a comment on the YouTube video down below. Screenshot it. Send it to unbingepod@gmail.com.
Alfredo Brown:As always, I wanna thank you guys for watching or listening all the way through for myself, for Sam, for Koff, for Jag. We'll see you next time. Adios.
Jagger May:You know what's wild, man? Like, I I was trying to find, like, nice tank tops, whatever. Why am I paying the same price
Alfredo Brown:That's an oxymoron.
Jagger May:For a tank top than I am
Matthew Kopfhamer:for a regular shirt. You buy a regular shirt
Samantha Holt:and conceal dog. Being a woman where all of our clothing is nothing, but it's literally twice as much as yours.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. And you have no pockets.
Alfredo Brown:It's less material, but harder to make.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. Yeah. Bikini style underwear, thong. Same price.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. One plus that
Samantha Holt:one. One has structural integrity. One does not.
Jagger May:I ask we ask Amy all the time.
Alfredo Brown:You are talking to people that very much understand this struggle. Yes.
Jagger May:I was like, don't
Matthew Kopfhamer:have to do all that.
Samantha Holt:But you haven't had the purchasing struggle.
Jagger May:Yeah. Okay. I'm almost married. I've bought this
Alfredo Brown:one. I'm almost married.
Samantha Holt:I'm almost married. It's a
Alfredo Brown:really good qualifier for anything. I'm almost married. Okay?
Samantha Holt:It's a really good guy argument. It's like, hey. I know women. It's like, yeah. Sure.
Alfredo Brown:My mom That
Samantha Holt:that makes you qualified. That makes you qualified. My mom's a woman. I got this.
Jagger May:I'm not saying I know women. I'm just saying that Amy said I need a bra one time, and I'm like, how much could they be?
Alfredo Brown:What is a banana nowadays? Like, $10?
Jagger May:I basically had a moment like that where I was just like I was like, it covers your titties. What is it? Like, it's got it can't be more than $15. Right? Right?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, Jaggy, sweet summer child.
Samantha Holt:Jesus. Right?
Alfredo Brown:Jagger, you're just finding out more and more how bras are your natural enemy. Yeah. They're They're op number one. Yeah.
Jagger May:They kind of are. Like, known for women, they are because, like, I can't wear you know me, Alfredo. Clothing is just awful. The fact that you guys wear this fucking
Alfredo Brown:Jagger's freaking out right now.
Jagger May:You wear a tigger, essentially. What's the
Alfredo Brown:what's the oh my god. What's the one with, like it's they're, like, rednecks, and there's, like, the little boy. She's like, oh, there he is, out of his clothes again. And it's, like, the little boy who just needs to get out of his clothes. Oh, it's the movie Four Christmases.
Alfredo Brown:You ever see that one with Vince Vaughn?
Jagger May:No. Oh,
Alfredo Brown:yeah. Where, like, John Favreau is, like, an MMA guy and the wife is is yeah. It's really funny. That's you guys.
Matthew Kopfhamer:She's from Eastbound and Down. I forget her name.
Jagger May:Yeah. The first thing I do when I come home is, like He takes the streaking. Yeah, dude. I'm not joking. And I'm going into just gym shorts.
Jagger May:Nothing else. Like, it's, like, it's one step away from a loin cloth. That that's how I live my life.
Alfredo Brown:You're low key Frank the Tank from old school.
Jagger May:Like Where it's
Alfredo Brown:like you're like, yeah. You know, nice little Saturday. We might go to Home Depot, Bed Bath and Beyond. I'm not sure if there'll be enough time. And, like, after two beers, you're like, we're going streaking.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah.
Jagger May:Everyone's standing up by the quad. We're going
Alfredo Brown:Everyone's doing it. Snoop a loop. It's cool. Bring your green hat.
