On today's episode of the Unbenched podcast, we're giving you our breakdown and review of the last of us season two episode three titled Into the West. And, well, the show's going into a new era here without Pedro Pascal. Can it still thrive without him? This episode was kind of like being at a funeral, but we need this time to decompress. Lots of foreshadowing about Dina, the wolves, Gale, Tommy, everything going on, and Jackson.
Alfredo Brown:We're gonna discuss all that more on our new episode of Unbinged starting.
Samantha Holt:Is your official spoiler warning for season two episode three of The Last of Us. If you have not watched episode three, stop. Go watch it right now and come back and join us for all the fun talk.
Alfredo Brown:Alright, Sam. I need to get your thoughts on this episode. I know it was different. It was a slowed down pace. To me, it felt like that morning after the hangover where you just kinda going slow through breakfast.
Alfredo Brown:You need your coffee. And I felt like we sorta got that by the end of the episode, seeing what's waiting for Ellie and Dina over there in Seattle. How'd you feel about this one?
Samantha Holt:It definitely was, I think, a reprieve and a break after the emotional episode we just had with episode two. And it started off, obviously, kind of with a bang right where it left off, you know, Ellie waking up and that piercing scream of realizing that it wasn't all a nightmare. It was all real, and her new reality is a reality without Joel. Really dark moment for her, and you kind of see her masking it, like intentionally and not doing a very good job, but masking her pain as she's pushing through to get to her end goal, which we know very quickly is she's going to go after Abby. It's like a different level of emotion because it's repressed, but it's repressed after we just had so much drama.
Samantha Holt:So there was still this level of anxiety and tension I felt the whole episode just waiting for another shoe to drop and more drama to hit us.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And what I really liked about the beginning of this episode especially was they made her physical recovery from I'm I'm guessing the broken ribs that she got from, I think, Manny kicking her was almost secondary to that psychological pain of, like, her overcoming. Like, I lost Joel. I lost my father for lack of a better term. And so I really like how they they didn't focus on the physical so much as her just overcoming that psychological loss and then her having to, like, go god. Her going back to the house without him, and her finally breaking down a little bit when she sees his jacket and, like, smells him and remembers him.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then immediately, we have Dina coming and almost invading in that that space and and coming in and forcing her to, like, you know, wipe away her tears and get herself ready to almost confront her friend. So I really like how they started this episode.
Jagger May:I mean, they talked about post episode, the parallels of Ellie becoming her her dad, becoming Joel in a sense here. And this is a necessary episode even though it's gonna end up being everyone's, like, least favorite. It's kinda like Skittles, you know, like, not everyone likes yellow and green, but they're still, like it's still very, very good. You know? And I think that we talked about this last, last week, but this really even further kind of entrenches the show as a game and throw Game of Thrones replacement because I like seeing the political implications within Jackson that have now arisen with this problem of are we gonna go north to fight, or are we just gonna stay here and worry about us?
Jagger May:Because I think in some sense, both sides of that argument are wrong, and it's just on Ellie and Dina right now to kind of make the right decision. And naturally, while we're talking about all this, it's not like it's just gonna be zombie free. You know, like like, mushroom's still out there.
Samantha Holt:Mushroom's gonna mushroom.
Alfredo Brown:That leads me to to one of my first questions here, guys, because I think as a viewer, you tend to lean towards,
Samantha Holt:yes,
Alfredo Brown:like, do what Ellie wants, go get your revenge, you know, ride out for our boy Joel. But is that actually the smartest decision here, Jack? Because, like, you talk about how kinda both sides of the coin are actually wrong in this. And I'm sitting there saying, like, I actually don't know what I would do because both sides make up good points. It's like, are we just gonna sit here and not, you know, dole out some justice for what happened here?
Alfredo Brown:Because we're just we were weak. We remain susceptible. People are going to keep coming back. But then the other side's like, well, we're really going to send our 16 best out after we just lost all these people and go invite more trouble. It's like there's not really a right answer, but I think I lean more towards not going to Seattle and not going out for justice.
Alfredo Brown:Jag, I know you mentioned both sides. Where are you at?
Jagger May:Initially, it's like, to me, the the right decision from just those two points is to stay there, and you need to fix what you have and you're already down. It is just idiotic to emotionally go out and make a reaction and send out more people when you've just had something like you did now. And this is what I brought. I've been saying this for two weeks. This is a concept that annoys me about most apocalyptic post apocalyptic things.
Jagger May:It's like, alright, let's bitch at each other and throw rocks while an apocalypse is literally coming on behind us. You know, I'm just ready for Jon Snow to throw a walker head down and say, see, this is the real enemy. You know? But I think the right answer is though is you had people who came in, took somebody, and then left systematically. Clearly clearly, they were military.
Jagger May:Dino dropped the fucking ball by being quiet to everyone. It's one thing not telling Ellie. I get that. But not telling Tommy, they made an uninformed decision because the right decision, what is out there? What is WLF?
Jagger May:And that is just a secondary threat that we see coming down here. My question is now, can Ellie and Dina make that decision once they roll up there to say, fuck. We gotta go back to Jackson and tell everyone and not have the the and not fall for the honeypot of, of getting revenge. You know?
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. I mean, this what you're saying here about, like, them not going back to Tommy, to Maria, talk to them about, WLF, like, this is a full on militia, and we see that by the end of the episode. It's something that's alluded to throughout the episode. Well, how big do you think the group could possibly be? Well, it's probably not that big because I haven't heard of it.
Alfredo Brown:And it kinda reminds you that even though the population of the world is so much smaller, the world is still so big for these people because we are so much more separated than we've ever been. So, yeah, Dina has heard of WLF, but she doesn't quite know to what extent it goes. That's I think that's gonna be, I think, the thing that bites them in the ass the most is Dina keeping that information to herself. And, honestly, I got a lot of questions about Dina right now. I said it in I said it in episode one that people like her tend to get a little dangerous because even though she's the thinker, kinda seems to be playing with Ellie's emotions.
Alfredo Brown:She's keeping information to herself. She's, like, kinda there's a lot going on, man. There's a lot going on, and I'm losing my trust in Dina.
Jagger May:Thank you. I thought I was just being a douchebag, man. I thought I was being a douchebag. I I don't I don't Both can be true. Well, okay.
Jagger May:I've just you know, Sam, I'm gonna hold this. You sounded like you wanted to talk. I'm a let you get some points out before I go on a rant on Dina and what the fuck's going on
Alfredo Brown:with Dora.
Jagger May:Finish, but first. Yeah. With
Samantha Holt:Dora. And
Alfredo Brown:Dora. Alright.
Samantha Holt:I'll I'll put a pin in the Dina stuff, but just kind of going back to what they're about to go through and what they're gonna discover about this group and just how big it is. I do hope that they take a moment and be smart about what they're going to do. Obviously, we've got a little sneak peek of next week. We know there's gonna be we're we're gonna get some more zombies next week. It's gonna be some drama, but I do hope that they make the smart move to go get help because this isn't exactly a situation when you see how big it is at the last shot of this episode, how big this group is on just one patrol.
Samantha Holt:That's the other thing that I think is important, you know. He's calling out that this one group can move and then when you see the group move, it's huge. Then the other thing tank. We'll take it. Multiple tanks.
Samantha Holt:Multiple tanks.
Matthew Kopfhamer:APCs. A herd of tanks.
Samantha Holt:These guys have tanks now. Apparently, this is a thing. But then the other thing too is just making the decision to for everyone to go and Tommy bringing up because Ellie says Joel would go after them and then he says actually no he wouldn't. I know my brother. There were reasons we went after people back then.
Samantha Holt:This isn't something Joel would do. I think was a really interesting little point. Because there's a lot of stuff in this episode that's framing Ellie to just fill Joel's shoes, and I think in her mind, because she's young, she feels like that's I don't want to say an easy task, but it's her right, it's her next moment, But it took a lot for Joel to become what he was to not just her, but to this town, to everyone he's affected since everything happened. I just feel like she's also being really thoughtless in terms of exactly what she's doing. She's being immature.
Samantha Holt:She's like, I can do this. It's like, no. You can't. Little girl, you gotta train.
Jagger May:She's learned nothing.
Samantha Holt:The No.
Alfredo Brown:No. She hasn't. And, honestly, she's probably gonna end up having to learn the hard way. And, like, the the thing with her and Joel, it's the perfect, example of a father daughter thing because she's trying so hard to be her, you know, pseudo father in this instance that she doesn't realize that Joel kind of hated himself for the most part. There was a lot of things he didn't like about himself.
Alfredo Brown:He didn't like who he became. He only became this this this killer out of necessity because it was this apocalypse that he wanted better for almost like every single parent does. They want better for their kid. And it's just like it almost feels like their relationship and everything it was leading up to was all for naught, like that it was a waste at this point. And I think that's what hurt me watching it even more Cough, you talk about that moment in the house when she's smelling his jacket and, like, that one moment hit so much harder than even the last episode when she's screaming as he gets killed because it's she's truly alone.
Alfredo Brown:It takes me back to season one where she's saying, I wouldn't be better off with Tommy. Everyone that I've ever been close to has either died or left me. And it just it just brought me right back to that moment.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Absolutely. And and that's, I think, the real tragedy is, like, she's in my opinion, they're stumbling upon the right answer for the wrong reasons because Seth points it out. Like, yeah, this group rolled in and took one of her own. We should get justice, which is, I think, the wrong way to look at it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You should be looking at it like we have a settlement with resources and things people will want to take. That's just a fact of life in a post apocalypse. So now you have a group who comes from a militia who is only by travel, like, a couple days away, apparently, because it's it's only, like, a fourteen hour drive between Jackson Hole and and Seattle. So you're telling me that a a militia group yeah. So you're telling me a militia group
Alfredo Brown:MapQuest.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Can now has the information, the resources, and the no no thought of what to do when they get to Jackson Hole now. Like, there is no mystery anymore of, like, what they're gonna find. Like, they have damn near they can draw a map at this point. So, yeah, Seth kinda stumbles upon the right answer for the wrong reason in my opinion. But they do need to do something about the WF because eventually, it's gonna be like, hey.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Why don't we roll back over to Jackson Hole and take their shit? So I think it's very reasonable that they send at least a small group to Seattle to at least do some recon and make sure, like, hey. Is this gonna be a legitimate threat in the future?
Alfredo Brown:I feel like at this point, your only chance of survival, if you are the society over in Jackson, is to send some sort of, like, small militia over there to to infiltrate their base because well, if the thing is that if you all just stay there, you're you're dying anyways.
Jagger May:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Like, you have depleted resources. You've got a little wood wall that is
Jagger May:busted the bar. They made a bar.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. Oh. Metal. I'm sure it'll be fine when the tank rolls up. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah.
Samantha Holt:The tank's It it Plural. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. It I I think what it's doing is it's doing what it's supposed to do to the show right now. It's making us as the viewer feel helpless. Right?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right.
Alfredo Brown:We're sad. We're helpless, and we feel more alone than ever. We don't have daddy Pedro anymore as the viewer. Right? We are just like Ellie.
Alfredo Brown:We feel sad and hopeless and alone. And and I think that's what this episode was doing. It was doing a lot of foreshadowing where Gail is talking about how not everyone can be saved and how Ellie is a liar. And Tommy tries to point out the difference that she's lying. She's not a liar.
Alfredo Brown:And it's one of those moments where I kinda had that flashback to to Pedro, to to Joel, where he has been lying at different times. It doesn't innately make him a liar. So it's like you kinda said it. I forgot who said it, but there there's a cough. You said, like, they're stumbling upon it.
Alfredo Brown:Right? Like, it's yeah. Like, she's indirectly becoming Joel even when she's not trying to.
Jagger May:I like in in a good way, This show is pulling themes from multiple other shows, and I don't mean that intentionally that it does. Obviously, we only have a certain amount of themes in the world right now until we get the next one. But it it reminds me a lot of silo in the sense, and I don't wanna spoil that for anyone. But, essentially, you're in an apocalypse. You're gonna have little pockets and silos everywhere, and you think that that is your world, and that is your reality because that is the only thing that you can comprehend.
Jagger May:And it's kinda like how we used to be as humanity, as a society, where we weren't sprawling and easily accessible to where they are just so ignorant, not even to just as we saw with the zombies, but to the other people that could be a threat at this point. It's like, in a in a in small sense, they're unintentionally fucking around and finding out. You know? It's like, let's all prep for zombies. Let's prep for zombies.
Jagger May:And as long as we, you know, we have snipers, we'll be okay. There there isn't a full fucking brand new Fedra that comes through here. And then a cough again. It's like the I am legend or the Black freighter thing that the inherently, every side thinks that they're good, and they're going to make a difference. Whereas we have the religious joker smile hammer cult.
Jagger May:They got killed. I don't Yeah, Like, I don't even know what the fuck they were, you know,
Samantha Holt:like the
Matthew Kopfhamer:Hammer time
Jagger May:exactly. Joker style or your wolf who thinks that like like, wolf is basically Phedra now. They're, like, they're like a more violent firefly. We're gonna come through and fix everything.
Alfredo Brown:Hey. I'm not gonna lie, Jag. When, when our Joker hammer clan was all dead, I'm not gonna lie. I was a little relieved. I was like, I really don't wanna spend a couple episodes with them finding out about their fucking cult.
Alfredo Brown:Like, I can't I can't do this. It was it was giving me the vibes from, rings of power where you're following the the Harfoots, and I'm just like, fuck.
Jagger May:This is gonna be so boring.
Alfredo Brown:If we do this, thank god. I'm kinda happy these kids are dead, man. I'm not gonna lie.
Samantha Holt:I do think it was important to
Alfredo Brown:have them
Matthew Kopfhamer:gonna see them, though.
Jagger May:Yeah. This is not gonna be the last time it is. Those
Samantha Holt:ones
Alfredo Brown:The bullets say otherwise.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But they come from a larger group. Pretty sure. I saw some mild spoilers on Reddit, so, you know, fun fun times.
Alfredo Brown:Well, fuck, man. Dude, thanks for that.
Jagger May:That's what
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Alfredo Brown:All you have to do to enter is take a screenshot of those reviews or comments. Send it to unbinged pod at Gmail dot com. Okay. So something that I I think is still kind of ambiguous with the show, and I'm curious to see what your guys' read is on it because it's something that, like, Gail was kind of talking to Ellie about, and there was a very obvious thing. It's like they both know if they're bullshitting each other.
Alfredo Brown:The way that Ellie talked about Joel and what could be hidden between the two of them, She almost talks as if she knows that Joel lied to her, but she's not willing to admit it out loud. Was that the same vibe that you got, Sam?
Samantha Holt:Absolutely. Everything in that, and it felt like, oh, is this the part where we get to lift this level of the band aid and really get to see how how much Ellie has processed and if they had that conversation. And even though she denies these moments, I a % believe that they had the conversation and part of their, you know, devolution, if you will. And I feel like we're gonna get some flashbacks to this in terms of how they got to where they were in their relationship. I think that was just a major catalyst because as we watched season one end, we knew this was going to be a thorn that was going to fester.
Samantha Holt:And I feel like we're gonna start to unpack that in moments as we close out this season where we see it come to a head at some point in a flashback where we see them have this conversation, have it out, where Joel made this decision for her when she'd inherently had made this decision for herself that she was going to be the one, be the sacrifice so that everyone else could be saved. So I definitely feel like she knows and she, to your point, is not ready to admit it out loud to anybody else because the only people there for that conversation were probably just her and Joel.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. And I think that's kind of why they did a not just why they did, but one of the reasons why they did a flash forward at the beginning of the season where they gave us this big time jump of, what, five years? So they could and we see that their their relationship is already fractured by episode one. So we know that there's something big in their past, and the most obvious is that, you know, she didn't believe him when he told her the lie in season one. When she confronts him after the fact and he's like, nope.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I I I I didn't do the thing. Like, she knew right then and there. Like, it may have taken her a couple of years to get to the point where she can finally admit it to herself that Joel lied to her, but I think that's been a a pretty obvious theme since the beginning of this season is that she knew that he lied to her, and she is still processing those feelings. And now Abby took away her final chance to really forgive him in person. And so now she has to do it postmortem, and that's gonna make it even more difficult for her to to forgive Joel and overcome that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I think it's been a a really smart decision for them to play with those themes and not just hand feed it to us right out the out of the gate.
Jagger May:I think I took I get what you guys are saying, and I'm not arguing you arguing with you at all, but maybe my perspective is slightly different. I felt like she was like a kid discovering her parent or even the slight You remember it's always sunny when when Charlie finds out his mom has been banging a bunch of Santas for
Alfredo Brown:Yes. For
Jagger May:Christmas, that's how I took it. It's just that, like, like, Ellie was upset, and now she's had three months where she's like, I need to forgive. And now that that's her reality. She's like, I've forgiven him. Nothing happened.
Jagger May:I was stupid. I should have I should have been a better daughter to him. And then you got drunkie McTalk therapy over here just like, Hey, you remember your dad? Kind of sus. And then she's like, No, he's not.
Jagger May:You know? And like this is her finding out that, like her mom has been banging a bunch of Santas at this point. And then throughout this entire story, I think that we're we're gonna get Pedro Pascal flashbacks of her maybe having these moments of where Joel is saying something and we can actually see their relationship fracture. We're just like playing guitar and he's just like, hey, kid, I need to tell you something. She's like, what?
Jagger May:Oh, nothing. And then he just kinda like shoves down all the murder he did.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You know? Stuff it down with Brown.
Jagger May:Exactly. I wasn't I was trying not to make another it's always Sunny reference, but it was right there.
Alfredo Brown:So I I wondered this because it might be unfair to ask this question now because I've been wondering, can this show still survive and thrive and be as entertaining without Joel and without Pedro Pascal every single episode. But it almost seems like there's going to be that cheat code where we're gonna get tapered off from Joel, kinda like we're the addicts we've had him, but we're gonna get all these little flashbacks. And it does seem like next episode, we're gonna get a whole bunch of action all over again. So there's a little bit of the illusionist thing where they're gonna give us all the action. We're going to maybe forget about it for a little bit and then keep getting these tapered off versions of Joel and flashbacks.
Alfredo Brown:So my question, as unfair as it might be, cough, can the show still be actually entertaining without Pedro Pascal in it? Was he the crux? Was he was he the glue holding this altogether?
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I anyone that watched this episode and and has any worries that Bella Ramsey can carry the show, I don't know what you're watching anymore because the first fifteen minutes shows that she can carry this show from an emotional standpoint. And we've already seen that she can do action set pieces. So I, I don't think there's anything to worry about. I think this show can absolutely thrive even without Pedro as big of a star as he is, as great of an actor as he is. And as much as he was the emotional heartbeat of this story, like this can absolutely, in my opinion, thrive and continue to carry on because you have such a depth of emotion from a character like like Ellie, who can go from peaceful to rageful to mournful all in the span of, like, five seconds.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And I mean, just her just her reaction of going home and and confronting the fact that Joel is no longer there, I was blown away. So now you're gonna have her and Dina go to literally the heart of the wolf's den and get and and confront that. So I have nothing to worry about. So anyone that does, at this point, just stop watching because you're just you're just just being a
Alfredo Brown:hater. I
Matthew Kopfhamer:have nothing. Yeah. Yeah. You're never gonna be happy. Exactly.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I don't know what to tell you.
Jagger May:Tell him, cough. Let him let him have it.
Samantha Holt:They're never gonna be happy. No. I agree. I think that Joel and Pedro's, you know, acting in this has been so amazing. His presence is gonna be felt throughout every episode, even when they're not talking about him.
Samantha Holt:There was a lot of moments in the recap after the episode of framing devices that they used and how they sat Ellie in Joel's seat on that horse. She's even carrying the gun the same way that he did. She's now carrying his handgun as well. So I feel like there's just going to be this haunting presence of Joel. And I wanna say haunting specifically because I feel like it's gonna continue to go over Ellie over and over again in different ways throughout the rest of the season.
Samantha Holt:And whether it's, you know, looking back on him teaching her something or being haunted by his absence. I just feel like it's gonna go back and forth and she's just gonna feel the torture of him not being there is gonna continue to drive her forward.
Jagger May:I will say I love Papa Pedro, but I only want if they're gonna do that ghost shit, you know, like like Dexter.
Alfredo Brown:He's gonna be a force ghost.
Jagger May:Yeah. Or like Dexter, where it's just like, here's my dad teaching me this thing about murder, you know, like like I don't want that plot device. Feel
Alfredo Brown:like they're going to give us like the slumdog millionaire, like flashbacks to, like, how she learned how to do all the different things she's going to be doing Yes. While in Seattle. Percent. I only want gonna be, like, just moments back to that.
Jagger May:Yeah. I only want, like like, very small instances of that because it it becomes cheesy. But I think this and I'm gonna kinda piggyback to what Koff was saying a little bit, piggyback off that. I think that they've done a good job at making both a very compelling, and this is again what what George RR Martin did with Game of Thrones. Like, we have a good character driven drama, but the plot right now is set up so well that even without these characters, I think this show could live on just because we have such a vast world that grows with every episode, and I'm curious to see how everything plays out.
Jagger May:And if you don't like that, then you bitch. Anyway, I wanna kinda come back to to Dina, guys. Is is she on
Alfredo Brown:Thank you. Thank you.
Jagger May:Is she on worst character watch? Like, dead ass,
Matthew Kopfhamer:like No.
Jagger May:No. Come on. Coughless count her She's 19. She's a 19
Alfredo Brown:year is crawling out of that hole right now, man.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Seth earned some points back. Redemption. He did have a redemption
Samantha Holt:arc for something we didn't see coming.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You You also gotta remember,
Alfredo Brown:like that coming.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Dina and Ellie are both, what, 19, 20 years old? Like, they're still fig and they live in a post apocalyptic world. Like, they're still figuring out their own bullshit. So, like, I get it. She's being a little bit, like, unfair to Ellie's emotional.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. But she's a 20 year old, like like, come on. She doesn't have everything figured out either. So I feel like she's dancing around her own feelings, especially the line where she is like, oh, you've kissed other girls. You're gay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm not. Like, she's clearly denying
Alfredo Brown:those feelings were out.
Jagger May:Do you think that's cute, Ellie? I need attention right here.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Like, no.
Jagger May:That Cough, doesn't make her the worst character. That just makes her, like, a underrated teenager. I've got other No.
Alfredo Brown:But Cough, it definitely she's she's walking down that bike path right now to worst character. Like, to ask for right right when they're about to go to sleep, she's like, so about that kiss, what would you rate it on
Samantha Holt:a scale
Alfredo Brown:of one to 10? By the way, I wasn't that high. Also, you're gay, and I'm not. It was just like, well, pick a lane. Like, what are you doing to to to Ellie, man?
Alfredo Brown:It's so fucked up.
Jagger May:Yeah. I'm tell Ellie. I'm like, congrats. You got a girlfriend. Because it's like, right as you're like, alright.
Jagger May:Good night. It's like, hey. You remember this uncomfortable moment? You know? It's just, like, you're just gonna bring that up.
Jagger May:And I can't forgive her for not telling anybody about a military presence. Like that like, to me
Matthew Kopfhamer:That's a pretty big one.
Jagger May:It's so fucking stupid, Koff. It is it is just so
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'll give you that one.
Jagger May:Like, you know, Tommy, at this point, if that was a grown man, he would have hit her in the face. Look at that. He's like, you better tell like like, just straight up. I would have been like, you fucking idiot. Like, you need to tell someone because you put all these people at risk or go, we have a therapist.
Jagger May:We have we're the one town with the therapist. She will do whatever you ask for an eight. But you give her an eight and a fucking yeah. And and, like, a shot, and you could go talk to her to work these fucking feelings out. So, like, the flighty shit and, like, I get it.
Jagger May:They live in, a four swipe tender town, slim pickings out there. You know, I get you only got oh, do I what? Josh today or Ellie? It's you even more reason for you not to be a bitch, okay, to to your friends around you. And and, like, it's like, I feel bad for Josh right now.
Jagger May:Homie is just like, well, hope it or Jesse. Sorry. Yeah. See, I'm even saying his name wrong because they disrespect him so bad. You know?
Alfredo Brown:Well, then she said and she already said that she went back to him. Right? Yeah.
Samantha Holt:That's that's what
Jagger May:I'm saying, dude.
Alfredo Brown:It's It's been two weeks, and she's and and Ellie made a of, like, you're just gonna go back
Matthew Kopfhamer:Three months.
Alfredo Brown:Three months.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yes. Thought it close.
Samantha Holt:Three months.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Three month time jump.
Jagger May:Less?
Samantha Holt:Alright.
Alfredo Brown:So three.
Jagger May:It was only a fiscal quarter.
Samantha Holt:Fiscal quarter?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Corporate taxes are due. Come on now.
Samantha Holt:How'd expect us to say that on this show.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah, man. Even when she's like, does Jesse seem sad to you? I'm like, why the fuck does Ellie care about that? Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. But the her line but her line clear like, right after that, she goes, I hope it's just that he's a sad person because otherwise, it's me. So clearly, she's still going through her own, like, process of, like,
Alfredo Brown:self lean with Jag and I but that's where I lean with Jag, and I'm like, the immaturity thing is going to get annoying because it's just kids being selfish in a time where, like, there's bigger shit going on. And Dina's like the person that sets the bear trap and then steps in it and goes, oh my god, my leg. Like, it's it's the the meme with with, Eric Andre where he shoots the guy and he's like,
Matthew Kopfhamer:why would
Alfredo Brown:so and so do that? That's Dina.
Jagger May:Yes. Yes. And arguably Seth is inadvertently still the worst character because he's just like, I'm mad. You know what, kid? I'm gonna risk the fate of the colony.
Jagger May:Here's an even bigger gun. Like, it's just like It's
Matthew Kopfhamer:bad, Jeff. Tragedy.
Jagger May:Yeah, dude. It's just like, come on, man. Like, clearly, she's trying to crash out, and we're just giving her more weapons. Sam, you've been quiet. I feel like it's very important to hear your angle.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Yes. It's just three dudes going on about two girls together.
Jagger May:I didn't mean to go in on Dina like that, but kinda did.
Samantha Holt:I know. I just feel
Alfredo Brown:like Kinda. Kinda.
Samantha Holt:I don't know. I I feel like, yes, you're all kind of saying the same thing. There's a lot of emotional immaturity here, but I think what you're missing is there's lots of levels and layers to friendships. And I think we're gonna see all of those layers and levels with Dina and Ellie. You know, you can be
Alfredo Brown:I don't know. I haven't kissed Jack yet.
Jagger May:That's what I that's what I was gonna say. I was like
Samantha Holt:You guys haven't kissed your friends? No? No.
Alfredo Brown:Not all of them.
Jagger May:I've only met coffee.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I was gonna love.
Samantha Holt:I'm sorry. Sometimes there's tequila. Like, it happens. Like, it's not the
Jagger May:real thing. Sam,
Alfredo Brown:we know what you were up to on
Samantha Holt:your This weekend. But I'm just saying, in general, like, when you're young
Jagger May:was down.
Samantha Holt:I'm not in my twenties anymore. But when I was and being stupid and whatever, I mean, I think there's just a lot of different things. And when you have a deep friendship that I feel that Dina and Ellie have, yes, is it gonna be frustrating for Ellie? Sure. It is.
Samantha Holt:But at the end of the day, she does still love and care for her on that deep friend level. And what we've seen from Ellie from last season into this season is that she just wants that consistency of friendship much more than necessarily a romantic partner. I feel like she just wants that level of intimate friendship connection because that was the one of the things that obviously hurt the most when she had to kill her first friend was they were friends for so long and she treasured that friendship that she didn't want to act on her emotions or feelings about that because she treasured that friendship so much. So I feel like we're gonna get a lot of that and at the end of the day, I feel like Dina's gonna be Ellie's ride or die no matter what. And yes, there's gonna be some messy things back and forth, but again, we'll have to remind ourselves every week they're really young and very immature and gonna make some mistakes.
Samantha Holt:Because when you think back to when we were that age, we make mistakes, but we weren't dealing with an apocalypse. So yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Spoiler alert. I'm still making those mistakes. So you know?
Alfredo Brown:That's that's on you.
Samantha Holt:See, Koff is Koff is kissing his friends after having too many tequila shots.
Jagger May:I feel I had one beer.
Alfredo Brown:That's why you That's why you're not allowed back at the bar. Got it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Sometimes it only takes half a drink.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. May I I think we're gonna see different like like you said, we're gonna see different levels to this. I think that in a way, lot of this does also have to do with Ellie's maturity as well in relationships with friends. Because, like, right now, we've only seen her be friends with two females in, like, this whole story, and both of them, she has had romantic feelings for. And so I wonder how much of that is she's just clinging on to whoever is around her, and it's like, let's let's be something.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. While at the same time, Dina listen. I'm just gonna be
Jagger May:real.
Alfredo Brown:Is What Dina's doing is just irresponsible and fucked up.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Fucked up. That's what I'm saying.
Jagger May:Like, she's a bad friend. Like, she's a terrible Is Dina That's what I feel like.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Wait. Is Dina a pick girl?
Alfredo Brown:She knows that Ellie has a crush.
Jagger May:Is she a what?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Do we consider is she a pick me Yeah.
Jagger May:What what does that mean? She's trying She wants attention.
Alfredo Brown:Translate from white to what everyone else speaks.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. She wants attention, so she doesn't really care where it's coming from, but she'll play the field until she gets the attention she's looking for.
Jagger May:Ah, a chicken head. Chicken head. I don't know what that phrase. So
Samantha Holt:happy that you said chicken head.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Okay. Now you're gonna have to translate it back for
Samantha Holt:That's wild. He's arisening.
Jagger May:They just, like, walk around peacock and, like, bark bark bark. You know? Like, look at me. And it's just like.
Alfredo Brown:Sam, you can you can urban dictionary that one.
Samantha Holt:Okay. On my own time. Thanks, guys.
Jagger May:I gotta reel it in. I'm sorry, guys. I just had to say, I'm just upset at Dean. I think he's a bad friend. But I will No.
Alfredo Brown:It's 01:00 in the morning where we're at, bro. It's okay. Like, we're a little punch drunk right now.
Jagger May:It is. I will give credit, though. It was like Ellie is learning a lesson that I think men have a harder time learning than women do. And that's in this. I think it's the gender dynamics and her and her being gay, you know, that like it's hard for men and even now as adults because we don't go to therapy that you can be platonic friends with someone and you don't have to have those romantic feelings or stick your penis and everything and just learn to be a friend.
Jagger May:Like, to me, no matter what, if none of our apocalypse or where we're at in our life now without an apocalypse yet, That's a difficult lesson that you have to learn because you have mojo hormones.
Alfredo Brown:Learn not to stick your dick in everything. That's a good lesson.
Jagger May:It's hard.
Alfredo Brown:Good. Crazy?
Jagger May:Crazy. Yeah.
Samantha Holt:It's such a complicated thing to learn.
Jagger May:I'm how why is this such a complicated thing to learn? I don't know, man. I don't
Alfredo Brown:You wouldn't you wouldn't You wouldn't get it. I yeah. This is where I'll let the guys talk.
Samantha Holt:I don't know that's like.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I don't know.
Jagger May:Oh,
Matthew Kopfhamer:cough. Because I don't wanna
Alfredo Brown:say this. Okay. Cough.
Jagger May:Oh, Kevin. I'm saying it. Now as an adult I'm talking about at 19, not as a 32 year old man is what I'm saying. But, like, I remember at that age I'm just like, like, you don't like me? And she's like, we're friends.
Jagger May:And I'm like, exactly. And it's just like not the same thing, you know, like I've been 20 and not know how to deal with my own hormones, you know?
Alfredo Brown:That's that's that's what all it is right over here, too, is I'm thinking back to like nineteen nineteen year old Alfredo meeting Dina and, like, her treating me that way. And I would there there's so much repressed going on right now that's coming out over the mic. Like, this is yeah. Dina is an emotional terrorist. That that's it.
Alfredo Brown:I'm just gonna say You guys have
Samantha Holt:all had a Dina in your lives, and we need to acknowledge that, and that's where this is coming from. I understand.
Jagger May:Have you had
Samantha Holt:a Dina? Of course it is.
Alfredo Brown:And you've got
Jagger May:men are flighty too. We're pieces of shit.
Samantha Holt:So Have I had men treat me poorly? That's a different podcast. Like, that with multiple episodes.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Tune in
Samantha Holt:next week. Time. We don't have time to unpack that. So, no. Not gonna open up that door right now.
Samantha Holt:Very different. No one's got time.
Jagger May:There's not
Alfredo Brown:there's not much left on on this episode. I will say there was one thing that I thought was cool. May did I misread it when when Ellie goes to Joel's gravesite and she leaves the coffee beans there? What that that was a callback to when they were out on the road camping, and he was making coffee. And she was like, oh, it smells like shit.
Alfredo Brown:And he's like, what? You don't drink coffee? Yeah. It felt like that
Samantha Holt:was one of those, like, ongoing issues.
Matthew Kopfhamer:There's also a callback. It's a reference it's also a reference to a scene in the game we haven't seen transited to screen yet.
Jagger May:Can you can you elaborate?
Alfredo Brown:Or Yet? Wait. You mean yet or, like, it passed?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Or No. There's Although they gave a
Alfredo Brown:There's a scene. They gave an easter egg to something that's gonna happen in the future?
Samantha Holt:Yes. Like it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So it's a flashback that they're gonna go that's gonna expand upon their Just don't worry about it. It it's a reference that we don't understand yet.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, we're gonna get a flashback later is what you're saying. Yes. Okay. Okay.
Jagger May:I thought we were gonna have, like, a a tree like, a world tree, and everyone's gonna have a cup of Joel, you know, and he's making out a coffee.
Samantha Holt:The best part of
Alfredo Brown:waiting. Yeah. Okay. With with the pods gone to, like, just the dumbest reaches of our minds at this point. It's like,
Jagger May:oh, it's
Matthew Kopfhamer:almost 01:30
Alfredo Brown:in the morning. Guys, I I think that's gonna be a wrap. I think we, we covered everything from this episode. There wasn't much, but it was just a good emotional episode to kinda let us get our bearings, let us catch our balance again. Because next week, it looks like it's gonna be just wild.
Alfredo Brown:We're seeing Dina hold up a gun to Ellie. We're seeing Cordyceps zombies everywhere. Jeffrey Wright's gonna be in next week's episode. Like, we we got a lot going on with the wolves, so I'm excited for that. We'll be back on that.
Alfredo Brown:And, well, we are gonna be back again next week with our next review of The Last of Us. And what the hell is the other show we're doing? And Don't worry. That one too. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:We'll be back on Wednesday. God. It's so good, man.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's So it's four,
Jagger May:five Watch Andor. Even if you don't like Star Wars, just watch it separately, and it's not don't don't let the nerds and virgins, like, sway you. It's very good.
Alfredo Brown:Nerds and virgins, like, they're two different things.
Samantha Holt:That's gonna
Alfredo Brown:be a wrap. As always, wanna thank you guys for watching and listening all the way through for myself, for Sam, for Koff, for Jag. We'll see you next time. Adios.
Jagger May:Why do people turn it in so people can tell them how white they are? You know, when you turn my poop in, who's my grandpa?
Matthew Kopfhamer:What?
Alfredo Brown:I understood, like, half of what you just said.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I don't understand that. Have you
Jagger May:ever heard of that shit? They're, like, they're, like, turn it in. Like, you, like, send it into a lab.
Alfredo Brown:In? Yeah. You're send it
Jagger May:to a lab?
Alfredo Brown:Like, it's a library book?
Samantha Holt:No. When you're having medical tests done and you have to
Alfredo Brown:Well, yeah. I mean, everyone's done that, like, once. Don't You but you made it sound so, like, like, so fucking cash. Yeah. Like, like,
Jagger May:They do, dude. I'm talking about, like, not not a medical it is a medical test, but white people are sending blood and shit in just so they can get, like, medical history and then find out, like, who they're it's like Ancestry.com. This is the shit that they're doing, man. I wonder all the time. Like, I would never have an Ancestry test.
Jagger May:You know why? I don't need to know how fucking underprivileged I am. I don't I don't need a reminder. It says, what? How?
Jagger May:You're you're 40% oppressed. You know?
