On today's episode of the UnBinged podcast, we're gonna be giving you our spoiler review of the movie Thunderbolts. We're gonna be asking the question, is this movie deserving of all the hype it's getting from critics and audiences? Where does it rank amongst the recent MCU films? And we're gonna explain that post credit scene that's leaving a lot of us asking some questions. And, well, we're gonna ask the big question.
Alfredo Brown:Is Marvel finally back? All that more on an episode of Unvenged.
Jagger May:This is your one warning that we're about to spoil the shit out of Thunderbolts. Definitely go to theater and watch it. It is worth it. Then come back and experience talking about it with us right here.
Alfredo Brown:Well, Jack, you said it there in the spoiler warning a little bit. Is this movie deserving of the hype? Because right now, both critics and audiences are loving it. I know I did. I went with four other people and all different ages and, familiarities with Marvel, and everyone left the theater loving it.
Alfredo Brown:I asked an eight year old. He said, this is one of my top three favorite Marvel movies right now. So I'm gonna ask you. Is it deserving of the hype?
Jagger May:How do I how do I, compete with the opinion of an eight year old? I mean, they're they're the one that
Alfredo Brown:tried play.
Jagger May:Yeah. I was about to say. If anything, we know Disney will like, well, fuck you. I'm gonna do what this eight year old says. But I will say he's right.
Jagger May:More money in the future. It's wild that a
Alfredo Brown:movie about depression resonated with an eight year old.
Jagger May:Exactly. But and that shows you how good it is, man. Because the and and the the answer to your question, yes. It was great. I think it it's worth like I said, it's worth going to theater.
Jagger May:And what made it so good is that they it broke so many of the usual Marvel rules. There was no big CGI fight. It was about depression, really. There was the to say there was a villain is is pretty vague to begin with. And like you said, all age groups and and most importantly, all familiarities with Marvel can enjoy this movie, and that's something they haven't been able to capture in a long time.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Absolutely. I I skipped out on watching, the new Captain America movie in theaters just because I was like, I saw the trailers. I was like, it's gonna be fine, I guess. But seeing this movie was reminiscent of the early days of the MCU when you had team up movies like Avengers, when you had Guardians one, where they were able to bring these characters from varying backgrounds, varying adversarial roles, bring them together in a way that made sense, give them a com you know, common ground, and then you inject some heart, some humor, some drama, and in this case, a group therapy session to end the movie. And it just it it's a home run.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So if you don't go see it in theaters, I understand, like, totally understand the trepidation, but this is the one I would say go watch in theaters because especially if you can get a theater that's more than halfway full, just having that that group experience. Some of those scenes where, you know, Red Guardian does the saving, you know, hero moment. Everyone's cheering and the little girl's like, yeah. And then poof, She gets she gets voided.
Alfredo Brown:The gasps.
Jagger May:The whole Shadow Realm.
Matthew Kopfhamer:The whole the whole theater literally collectively just I was one of them because that shit that was holy god. You know, in a Marvel movie, no one expected that to happen. So like you said, Jagger, they broke some pretty major rules, and I I think it's absolutely worth the ticket price to go see it in theaters.
Alfredo Brown:Damn. Koff, when you just said voided, this is when we need Vig to be here because since he's a doctor. Like and whenever he uses the word void, he means to either pee or poo.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Pooping.
Alfredo Brown:So, like, I just, I just would have loved to hear him doing that. Not peeing and pooing, saying void. That that came out weird. Cut that out. We'll edit that in post.
Alfredo Brown:This movie, I think phrasing? Phrasing? Are we not we're not doing phrasing anymore? This movie is absolutely worth the hype. It was absolutely worth the hype because even though listen.
Alfredo Brown:I'll I'll just be honest. They did a few tropey things that we have all seen in superhero movies. I also think we are getting to a point with movies where you could only get so original. Tropes are tropes for a reason. We see them often.
Alfredo Brown:We see them as part of stories. Like, it's going to happen. And, Koff, what I what I love about your comparison with Guardians of the Galaxy is I do think that's what this is. This is supposed to kind of replace Guardians of the Galaxy, and I don't think it's a coincidence that it's a Suicide Squad esque thing when James Gunn directed both of those movies. And they're like, ah, we don't have James Gunn anymore.
Alfredo Brown:We don't have, you know, or Golden Gunn. Sorry. I didn't wanna do that, but it just it it came out. You know, we we gotta we have to come up with something that's different, something with a little bit of comedic relief, something that can be a little bit darker, grittier. And, honestly, these characters, I feel like we're already starting on second base because we knew most of them.
Alfredo Brown:Whereas you go into Guardians of the Galaxy, a lot of people don't know who Drax is and Gamora, and you get just brief moments, one or two throwaway lines about their pasts and who they are. But, really, all you really get out of these characters is that, you know, they're losers. Right? They're misfits. They are a found family.
Alfredo Brown:And that's what this movie did. It gave us another found family who, sure, even by the end of it, they aren't the actual Avengers. You're rooting for them, and you're almost kinda like, I want you to be part of the Avengers. I want you to be part of this, and I can't wait to see you in more movies. So to me, this was definitely worth the hype.
Alfredo Brown:But what I what I do wanna ask is we have had so many, I'm not gonna mince words, shitty Marvel movies over and over. Have we, as an audience, sort of moved the goalposts for what makes a good superhero film at this point where we are just so desperate to be like, ah, the fatigue's over. It's back. Because we always ask this question, and we're gonna ask this question in this video today. Is Marvel back?
Alfredo Brown:Is superhero fatigue over? Have we moved the goalpost? Meaning, have we lowered our standards for what makes a good superhero film nowadays, Jack?
Jagger May:Yes and no. Meaning that I don't think we need as much comic book accuracy as a lot of people think, especially when we get this big. So I think people are gonna be willing to lower their standards in lieu of something being a good movie. But if anything from this fatigue, I don't at least from the mainstream audience, I know that they're the Marvel bros who accept anything, and it does not matter, and they and they'll just love it. But I think from the the the greater population of normies out there, I don't think we've moved the goal at all, and it's shown.
Jagger May:That's why, you know, brave new world got panned and and didn't make a lot of money. That's why none of us really liked quantum mania even though they try to make it make us like it. Multiverse of Madness, same thing. So, no, I don't think we've we've lowered our taste and standard of movie, but I think maybe we'll be willing to accept less comic book accuracy.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. I think that's a great way to put it because I think expectations from a story standpoint have gone up. We expect more from the MCU because it's around been around now for, what, almost twenty years. So we're like, hey. You guys should figure out how to make a good movie because you did it at the start.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Give us that again. So our expectations are still high, and we still expect good quality or at least, you know, quality from the MCU. And when they don't deliver, it's when we're so you know, we're like, god. What's the point? Why do we keep doing this to ourselves?
Alfredo Brown:I think that what you said there sticks out to me is you simply said just give us a good movie, a quality movie.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Give us
Alfredo Brown:a good story. It seems it seems like every time Marvel was getting in there and in the studio, writing up their scripts, figuring out who to cast, they weren't even going for a good movie. They were going for the next big thing. How can we transport you back to that time where you were just in love with Marvel and Endgame, and let's top that. Let's get crazier.
Alfredo Brown:Let's give you more cameos. Let's give you bigger CGI, bigger fights, bigger characters, characters you've always wanted. And it just kinda seemed like they were always over their skis. And I'm I'm looking back at the phase five, and y'all, like, weren't many hits in phase five. You you have Guardians three, which was very good.
Alfredo Brown:Deadpool and wolverine, which some people liked more than others. I felt it was just big cameo fest, but that's fine. The marvels, not well received. Quantitative. Watch it.
Alfredo Brown:Didn't even watch it. Not well received. It's not it's not great. It's not great. Iman Vilani, though, she's a a shining star.
Alfredo Brown:She's great. Cap, Brave New World, not great. No way home, obviously, that that's that's a good one. That's technically phase five. And you've got Shang Chi, which was a good one.
Alfredo Brown:But phase five was just Guardians, the Marvels, Quantumania, and Brave New World. Those are some pretty bad movies except Guardians.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mhmm. Mhmm.
Jagger May:And Guardians barely feels like a phase five because it's still a continuation of, like, phase two and three stuff. So, like like, if anything, let's put it
Alfredo Brown:like a closeout
Jagger May:of, like,
Alfredo Brown:phase four, to be honest.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like, let's put a asterisk next to that.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, nice. Nicely done. Nicely done working in an asterisk to the episode. But I this movie has also let me know there are a lot of people that cannot say the word asterisk. Can we can we I just wanna do a quick, like, round table.
Alfredo Brown:Asterisk?
Jagger May:Asterisk.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Asterisk. Asterisk. No. I'm just kidding.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, there's always one.
Jagger May:Found him. Found him. Blessed cop. I can't
Matthew Kopfhamer:talk normally, and then you give me a word like asterisk. Ash astro I can't talk. What are talking about?
Jagger May:Southern and black, and I could say ask. So and you can't ask you.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Ask you a question?
Jagger May:Come on now.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Ask him.
Alfredo Brown:That's really good. That's really good.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I mumbled a lot. Asterisk. You know?
Jagger May:No. It's okay, Kyle. I can't like, when I say I'm Southern or black, just there's other words I can't say, so we're just not gonna talk about them, though. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Do love when you when you when you give us a theater and you you pronounce
Matthew Kopfhamer:every every mouth. Me up every time. Yeah. Going to the Theater.
Jagger May:I get damn it. I get it. Told me to the theater or a raking. That's a hard word for me to say. Like, I'm gonna go outside
Alfredo Brown:and rake.
Jagger May:Like, I don't know.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Rake? I'm raking. Raking.
Alfredo Brown:Raking?
Jagger May:Yeah. Raking. Anything back to thunderbolts.
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. Rant. Let's say rake.
Alfredo Brown:Thunderbolts asterisk. Got it. So this movie, they did something interesting here, which I like we were talking about this before the recording. I like the way they changed the origin of the name because in the comic books, Thunderbolts comes from Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross. And I'm curious as to where that decision came from with this movie.
Alfredo Brown:Was it just writing to make it differentiated from the comics? Or because we have this we have because it's not Thunderbolt Ross that's leading the charge here. Or did they want to try to differentiate themselves and separate this story from that character? Because, y'all, I don't know how much, like, Harrison Ford we're gonna have in this going forward. I think he he had his shining moment there as Red Hulk, and I I he's probably out.
Jagger May:Yeah. He got that paycheck. He said, thank you, Disney. Call me when you need me again. He, like Or no.
Jagger May:Flies off into
Matthew Kopfhamer:the And crashes. Yeah. Mhmm. He's survived about four plane crashes. I think it may have started out as a joke
Alfredo Brown:since he's released.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah. And I think they've I think it started maybe as a throwaway joke, and they just ran with it because it worked. I think it was brilliant.
Jagger May:Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Because they let bringing it back too. They were able to bring it back multiple times into the story, and it just worked so well throughout as a through line.
Alfredo Brown:It encapsulated who they were. It encapsulated who they were, and I think it made that moment with Yelena and Red Guardian so much more powerful where, honestly, most relatable thing is there when he's saying, and you know why you said you wanted to play goalie? And she's like, I don't know, to avoid running a lot. And, like, that's hilarious because I know it's exactly what these kids would do here. But what but when he says no, it's because you wanted your teammates to know there was someone they could rely upon if if they ever made a mistake.
Alfredo Brown:Right? And and, like, that it hit so much more that that's where the Thunderbolts was and that's where Alexei was pushing for that name because he's the overeager dad. And he's, yes. We are Thunderbolts. Like, it's just it he wanted that.
Alfredo Brown:Like, he wanted that chance to coach his daughter again and take the lovable band of losers that couldn't win a game and take a shit in the middle of the field and be like, hey. We finally won one. Like, that it it it gave it so much more weight.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's crazy.
Jagger May:And I and I wanna say
Alfredo Brown:that story twice, by the way.
Jagger May:Twice. I love it. And I wanna say that the Thunderbolts use it it has multiple uses, I guess. One, because obviously at the end, you know, like, the asterisk because this is who they are now, then they're gonna be the new Avengers. But what no one's talking about is we basically have the dark Avengers.
Jagger May:Valentina is still madame Hydra in a sense there. She's still this ominous figure that's on, that's around. And this is what makes me want to have Daredevil a little bit closer here because all they're missing really is bullseye, because bullseye ends up being Hawkeye for the dark Avengers here, and they kinda have that. So, like, we have these competing Avengers here. So it may not be Avengers and new Avengers, but they are unwittingly the dark Avengers.
Jagger May:So having, like, how do we how do we make the Dark Avengers without, you know, I guess, a shitty copycat version or make it blatant, and it feels like a natural story progression that feels really fun. This goes back to my comic accuracy thing. And there are people who will be like, Thunderbolts is a Thunderbolts cruise blah blah blah. It's Thunderbolt, Ross. Go outside, nerd.
Jagger May:I ain't got time for your useless nerd. Yeah. I got time for your useless charm hins. Like, who you you really give a fuck about that minor detail. You need to touch grasp, my boy.
Jagger May:Like, did
Matthew Kopfhamer:you see centuries design on this costume and has lines on it? How could they do that? Just do that.
Jagger May:It's just that's all I hear. Atomic accurate. I just hear, like like like, bobcat Goldthwaite. It's funny. It's funny, guys.
Jagger May:And we're gonna get something that's new and different. Just, like, enjoy it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Honestly, that's what pisses that's what pisses me off so much about when people complain about adaptations. It's like certain things, yes, should not be changed. But when you are changing from one medium to another, there are necessary changes that have to be made just for it to make sense on this new medium. And if you want a shot for shot remake of something, what the hell's the point? Like, just go back and and enjoy the original again.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You want you want some changes so you have a new concept, a new perspective, a new story, and that's what makes adaptations enjoyable. If you're so caught up in the little details like, oh, this character doesn't look the same or they don't they don't quite fit what I was expecting looking at you, the last of us fans.
Jagger May:Mhmm.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's then you're not gonna enjoy anything. Like, god, what are we doing? It it's crazy to me when people get so caught up in these little minouche details that just don't matter.
Jagger May:And I love the way that they play into that too at the end credits because what it said, not my Avengers. I fucking laughed so so hard.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. When they're talking about getting memed to death and shit, I was like, oh my god. That's so accurate.
Alfredo Brown:The the the way that the way that US agent is like, and the memes have not been very nice. Yeah. Also, you you catch him wearing a beret at the end.
Jagger May:Yeah. Because of
Alfredo Brown:the helmet. Yeah. Because they're like, what's up with your hat? And he's like, you mean the helmet? And you're like The helmet?
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. You think it's you think it's cool? I don't know. Do you think it's cool?
Jagger May:I fucking love it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I love how they bullied him the entire time. Like, just so great.
Alfredo Brown:So great. My favorite lines in
Jagger May:the whole movie.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Yeah. But one of my favorite lines, the whole movie was not even a bullying moment. It was just Lewis Pullman's Bob character just pointing out something so obvious and hilarious, so he just starts laughing. And John Walker's like, what are you laughing at?
Alfredo Brown:And he's just like, you said you're Captain America, but you're an asshole. It was such a simple sentence yet so defining where he's like, oh, man. Like, I am an asshole. This guy has, like, no outside understanding.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Dude, when floor when when Yolanda was like, you're a piece of trash and your family knows it too, I was like, oh my god. You just murdered me in the street. Like, holy god. You got it.
Alfredo Brown:That could
Jagger May:yeah. You
Matthew Kopfhamer:got it, and your family knows it.
Jagger May:And it's just making us like Walker by, like, leaning into his flaws a little bit and have like like, I was I said this on the the spoiler free review, but just having a himbo Captain America is almost just like a more realistic Captain America because we have this character that isn't inherently evil. Like, Alfredo, our day job is sports. I mean, any anyone who's watched sports, he's totally that guy who has been this shit since he could play sports.
Alfredo Brown:He says it. He says it in the movie. He's like, back
Jagger May:to back state champs. Bars. Go bears. Like, get fucked, dude. It's just like you know?
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then Yelena gave me the story about the Thunderbolts was just so Jeff's kiss. Yeah. Oh, I thought we were talking about shit that doesn't matter.
Jagger May:Yeah. I was like, anyone else having a useless childhood story? Yeah. Was just
Matthew Kopfhamer:But what's what's great about him is he is the exact opposite of of Steve Rogers. Like, when you're when you, like, he is the the soldier that they wanted to pick in the original Avengers before the doctor did the little grenade test. So we're literally seeing how when you lose sight of what makes somebody special, like a Steve Rogers, where it's his heart, not his physical attributes that makes him special. And you just see somebody who's six four, two fifty jacked and can run real fast. You're like, oh, he's our man.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And you don't stop and think about what are the consequences of giving somebody who has been handed, you know, everything in life, and you give them unlimited power. And what happens to that? And then they explore it again with Bob here where Mel even says it. They're like, look. You give a serum to Steve Rogers to get Captain America.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You give it to somebody like Bob, you don't know what you're gonna get. This is an unstable individual. Now you gave him literal godlike powers. What do you expect is gonna happen?
Alfredo Brown:And he says it later.
Matthew Kopfhamer:The void.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. He says it later. He's like, if if if these people can't defeat me, I'm a god.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And why would
Alfredo Brown:I this? God have to listen to you? Which is crazy because it makes me ask, what was Valentina's plan this whole time? Like, did she have
Jagger May:that much? She's a spin
Matthew Kopfhamer:there wasn't. She's a spin that much hubris. Just
Alfredo Brown:To, like
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. But she's been in a position where she's been able to spin every situation to her favor. She didn't even consider the fact that Bob as Sentry would be like, I don't have to listen to you. And then, I mean, they had those kill switch thing, but I didn't expect that to work even at all. And the fact that it it just triggered the void was it made sense.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But Valentina's she is not a Amanda Waller. She is not a Cecil Steadman type. She is literally a spin doctor where she sees a situation. She's like, how can I make this work in my favor? And it's not about protecting people.
Alfredo Brown:Almost like it reflects real politics.
Jagger May:Yeah. I I literally was gonna say that. She's a Almost. What you just described was a politician. It's like, that's all she is is a politician.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. And She doesn't care
Alfredo Brown:about people.
Matthew Kopfhamer:She cares about her own bottom line. That's why her whole goal was I want to be impeachable, which is like Unimpeachable. That's her unimp yes. Thank you. Unimpeachable.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like asterisk. So ask asterisk. Asterisk.
Jagger May:That's close. Let's just say it, man.
Alfredo Brown:Good job, little buddy.
Jagger May:I love that Julia Louis Dreyfus is just Selena Meyer. Like, this was just like, Selena Meyer and Veeva the whole time just being shitty to to, like, her assistants.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Her assistants. Yeah.
Jagger May:You know, like, you're like, throughout all this crisis, you know, what surprises me that you could still make a good cup of coffee because I was just like such a Selena Meyer quote that I've ever heard. Oh, man. How long do you think she's gonna last? Like, the my only complaint about this movie as a plot point, why didn't they just kill her or turn her in then? What what advantage do they have keeping her in power?
Jagger May:Because I feel like they could have gotten
Matthew Kopfhamer:you know? The WM.
Alfredo Brown:Funding. Well, it's it's it's two things. They get funding, and they actually get to be the Avengers, which all of them have wanted to be. They get to be this front facing group with someone who's good at, like what Koff said, spinning the story. And now it's announced that these are my new Avengers that we've been working on.
Alfredo Brown:So the world sees them as these new Avengers. They have the funding. They get to be in in what was previously Avengers Tower. Alexei's out here making Formula one suits for the new Avengers with a z. Like, they they they kinda have the resources that they need.
Alfredo Brown:If not, like, they're just back in the fucking Red Guardian limo ordering DoorDash. Like, they're they're not they're not where they want to be.
Jagger May:I guess so. But, like, if if they would bring in a massive villain who is a secret Hydra agent and they're do you think the government would not be like, hey, man. You know?
Alfredo Brown:They let Bucky run for congress.
Jagger May:That that's what I'm saying. Like, like, I feel like there's there's more power than just letting Valentina exist. You know? Where, like, if I was Bucky, I'd be like, oh, no. This concrete actually fell on Valentina.
Jagger May:Ugh. You know?
Alfredo Brown:Well, yeah.
Jagger May:I mean, the way You hear it when you hear Delena when
Alfredo Brown:she says, we own you.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You we own you. Yeah. So it's like they're keeping Valentina in their pocket, essentially. So it's easier to keep her around than it is to get rid of her. And then who knows who steps into that role and then starts changing shit or takes away things?
Alfredo Brown:So Well, the so let but let's let's look at this from, like, the most pragmatic sense is that these are people who have never had a good public image or no image whatsoever. And you've got Yelena who's been wanting to be in the public eye as a hero, Bucky who's been spending his whole life trying to undo his sins of the past. John Walker, who is basically just viewed as fake Captain America who killed somebody. Ghosts who people really don't know except for as, like, ghost thief. And then Alexei, who has just he's watching he is the guy, like, from high school football that's still watching clips of himself.
Alfredo Brown:Like, he he's out there watching his highlight reel. He's he's so into that. And then now they finally get
Jagger May:that opportunity.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. They get that opportunity. And I think that's why it's like, there's still a little bit of that We can sort of make up the plan as we go to just like you, Valentina, and Yelena agrees to it. And she's like, we own you now. So I think that's what it is, man.
Alfredo Brown:It's like they just get a taste of we can be the good guys even if we're not always the good guys and she's not a good guy. This is probably our version of having to do it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Let me put it this way, Jagger. This is, the members of the office keeping Michael Scott in charge by not reporting all the fuckery they did because they know that they can do kinda whatever they want with him in charge.
Jagger May:Right? Makes sense. And I and I guess I have to think about it from their sense because they don't know she's Hydra. I don't think. Like, they don't know.
Jagger May:They just think that she's just kind of a bitchy politician. Right?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Well, do we Like, surely they have. In the MCU? Do do we know that yet?
Alfredo Brown:Also, I I cannot stop thinking now is, like, what characters are each of these in the office? Like, is Bucky Ryan?
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. No. He's too competent.
Jagger May:He's Now that is that that that is John Walker's Ryan. John Walker's Ryan, dog. He's just a dickhead. Okay. Asshole.
Jagger May:Selfish the whole time where
Alfredo Brown:you Okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Alexa is Dwight. Alexa is definitely Dwight.
Jagger May:Yes.
Alfredo Brown:Yes.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Let's see. There is no probably Jim? Yelena's probably Jim.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yelena's Jim. I'm thinking of this wrong. And Yep. That would make
Alfredo Brown:Does that make Bob Pam?
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. Bob is Creed. Bob is Creed. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:He is. Mhmm. Or is it Bucky? Bucky is Creed. He's like, yeah.
Alfredo Brown:I'm 30. Well, I'll be 30 next April. Yeah. I'm secretly, like, 90.
Jagger May:That's where's
Matthew Kopfhamer:all the toe where'd all the toner go?
Jagger May:Every creed line is so good.
Alfredo Brown:He just, like, walks in on Halloween covered in blood. He's like, today is Halloween.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But it's unfortunate.
Jagger May:We answered this on the other one, but I wanna say this here. Is white widow better than the black widow?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yes.
Jagger May:Is is Yelena better than unfair.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. We
Jagger May:had lot of time with ScarJo, and I get it, but they did so much with Yelena and, like
Matthew Kopfhamer:They did so little with ScarJo?
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. They did little ScarJo
Matthew Kopfhamer:for so long. With Yelena. Yes. Mhmm. But I also think it goes back to Florence Pugh's a better actress than ScarJo.
Alfredo Brown:Yes.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I think they can give her more to do.
Jagger May:It's not particularly close. I love Jojo Rabbit. What the fuck was that accent, ScarJo? Like, are you French? Are you German?
Jagger May:Let's get off, but you're right, dude. Like, I and, again, I'm not Scarjo held it down for, like, ten years for us. She got the cool little graphic at Endgame. She deserves it. OG.
Jagger May:If anything, I'm mad at Marvel. You could have been doing this shit the whole time and not just the, let me, you know, rub your hand, Hulk, and, you know, make you feel okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:The sun's
Jagger May:good. Get get all low. Yeah. Yeah. Just let's let's try to force this Mark Ruffalo ship.
Jagger May:You know?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Well, not only that, but they had that that was after she had the flirtation with, Cap. So they they were like, that's not working, so we're gonna shift her to a different team member. And it's like, okay. Is that what we're really gonna do with Black Widow's character?
Alfredo Brown:I'm glad they're not doing that now, though. I'm glad that that like, that's not even it doesn't even seem like it's in the realm with with White Widow. I mean, it does seem like there's some sort of connection with her and Bob with Sentry, but it she doesn't seem to be
Jagger May:It seems like sibling, like, more than it's just like, we're gonna bang.
Matthew Kopfhamer:There's no yeah. There's no romantic at least I didn't pick up any romantic vibes.
Alfredo Brown:Well, these are these are two people that I don't know if they've ever had any sort of romantic relationship. So maybe it's something that kind of does form, and they don't even know how that works right now. But I what what I'm getting at is I think we got a very different and more earned version of a widow character where we can look at their backstory. We can see the funny side. We can care about them more.
Alfredo Brown:Whereas with ScarJo's character, Scarlett Johansson, it was just like, hey. You're the sexy femme fatale. By the way, your ledger's dripping red with blood, but we're not gonna talk about that for, like, ten years. And then So after your character's dead, we're gonna give you a movie, but also we're gonna let your movie get stolen by this way more charismatic actress and character. And so, like, that's why I say, yes, Florence Pugh's white widow is better, but it does seem a little unfair to comp the two.
Jagger May:Yeah. I'm gonna do it. She's better. I have to.
Alfredo Brown:I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna put an asterisk next to that one.
Jagger May:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Too bad cough asterisk. A sentence.
Alfredo Brown:Someone can read it.
Jagger May:Changes that they You
Matthew Kopfhamer:can't say it.
Jagger May:You can
Alfredo Brown:read It's a fucking star, dude.
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. It's an asterisk. Asterisk. Asterisk.
Alfredo Brown:Stop. Stop. Stop. We're just gonna put a little stinger at the end of this, and it's just you trying to say the word
Matthew Kopfhamer:Say it.
Alfredo Brown:For about a good Over thirty seconds. Some of the casting changes that happened in this movie, I'm curious if you guys would have liked these better. So for century, Steven Young was was originally cast to do that. And then when the strikes took place and there was, you know Scheduling conflicts. Scheduling conflicts, all that.
Alfredo Brown:Lewis Pullman took over. I think Lewis Pullman actually did a great job.
Jagger May:It's his role, and I don't I don't hate it at all. And I think there would have
Alfredo Brown:been things that would have been that could have worked better with Steven Young, and I feel like there's we've seen a depth with him that I think we would have known it works well. And, honestly, I think the blonde hair on Steven Young would have been even funnier, and that would
Matthew Kopfhamer:have been do
Alfredo Brown:would have hit so much so much more. But Lewis Pullman, I mean, this is a big coming out party for him, and I think that his character is going to remain really important to the MCU going forward.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I think the biggest change is is so, obviously, you know, we all know Steven Yoon from, you know, the walking dead and and invincible. So he has a backlog of of, work that we can pull from so we we can expect certain things from him. And with Lewis Pullman being a a relative unknown in this role, I I feel like he brought an innocence to Bob's character that Steven Yoon may not have had. And I think Steven Yoon may have had a more, like, depth of despair when it got to those points where they're talking about, like, what's the point of going on? Like, I feel like he may have been a hit those notes a little bit deeper, but I really did like Lewis Pullman's portrayal just because he did bring a little bit of, like, that childlike innocence to the role that I don't think Steven Yeun would have been able to pull off.
Alfredo Brown:Was there almost too much of the childlike innocence? Like, because you're telling me that this was a well, I'm I'm not trying to critique, but it's a question that I have coming up here because this was a guy who went all the way to was it Indonesia? Where
Matthew Kopfhamer:Malaysia. Malaysia.
Alfredo Brown:Malaysia. Excuse me. Malaysia, where he's been getting high on meth. And his character felt a little bit like he was created in that lab, not like almost like he was reborn in that lab. Was that the same vibe for you guys, or you're like, no.
Alfredo Brown:You just it was good. He he was fine.
Jagger May:I just I thought it was
Matthew Kopfhamer:fine. Okay. Yeah. I I think there's obviously he has some issues with his memory.
Alfredo Brown:Super nitpicky, by the way. Like, I'm not Right. There was no real critique of this character or the actor.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right. I I just think that's just him because he's he's said it before even before the trials, like, he had issues with memory loss because he had this almost, like, DID separate entity. So That's right. Because of his his mental instability and, you know, we see his abusive past, I I I think there's just it makes sense that he's kinda childlike, in certain situations, and that's kind of his his, like, baseline, if you will. Whereas when we see like severance.
Alfredo Brown:Like, this was an idiot.
Matthew Kopfhamer:This is an idiot. Yeah. Yeah. I like that reference. But, yeah, we see him when he finally embraces the sentry role, and he started to get that eagle maniacal, like, homelander type mentality where he's like, I can just do whatever I want because who's gonna stop me?
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I think that worked really well in contrast to Bob's childlike innocence. So I think that's why they really leaned into it.
Alfredo Brown:One of the other casting changes that was made here was Mel, Valentina's assistant, was originally cast to be Ayo Adebiri, they went with Geraldine Viswanathan here. And
Jagger May:I think
Alfredo Brown:both worked. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It was fun.
Alfredo Brown:Pretty pretty good. Like, it was you could tell that role was for her, but, like, Geraldine crushed it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mhmm.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. I thought I thought she was good there. The scenes with Bucky were good too where she where he's giving her the business card, and she's like, are you handing me your trash? What is this? Bucky being bad at being a congressman is just chef's kiss.
Alfredo Brown:It is perfect. Perfect. Because it's it's so much like Daredevil where we see these characters, like Matt Murdock try to be a lawyer or Kingpin try to be mayor, and they're both just like, ah, by the way, spoilers. I can't do this. Like, I can't be one of the people.
Alfredo Brown:Like, I need to be this persona. And it's the same thing with Bucky. He was like, maybe I can do the right thing from the inside in the government. Nah. Nah.
Alfredo Brown:I got a cool, dope metal arm. I just need to hop on my motorcycle with my shotgun and fuck some shit up.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Which I love that his arm is machine like, dishwasher safe.
Alfredo Brown:Machine washable. Yeah. Vibranium, baby.
Jagger May:I wonder how he stacks his dishwasher with his arm in there. He's
Matthew Kopfhamer:Dedicated the bottom rack just to his arm.
Alfredo Brown:So I asked this quest or I I brought this up earlier where I think that Sentry could be one of the most important characters going forward. I wanna ask you guys, who from this movie because I think there's, like, there's different questions to ask about these characters. Is who is sort of the MVP? Which character leveled up the most. But the first question I wanna ask is which character from this movie feels like it could be the most important in the MCU going forward?
Alfredo Brown:Jag?
Jagger May:Obviously, it's gonna be White Widow with Florence Pugh, playing El N M. Century, I feel like is going to be miss marveled or not miss not miss marvel, Captain Marvel, where he's so OP. He already has that that natural nerf in him where it's like, we gotta use him, but let let's all fucking get ready because it could get bad type thing. And I like that. Like, I like him as a character, and I think we're gonna get more Bob than we ever will to Sentry.
Jagger May:And if we're getting Sentry, we know that shit is is bad at that point, you know, and he could easily be turned into the Void. You know, because in the comics, one of his, like, massive arcs in there is they didn't even know the Void existed, and Sentry was investigating himself, not even knowing that he was a void. So, like,
Matthew Kopfhamer:like Shutter Island situation.
Jagger May:Shutter exactly. Shutter Island situa that's perfect, situation there to where I mean, how you use him, it has to be strategic, and I think that that's good. Because, like, the last thing we we we want is too many OP characters, too quick. And if you're not familiar with the OP term at this point in 2025, it's overpowered if you don't play video games. So
Matthew Kopfhamer:And I I think we know with with knowing that Doom is on the way, I feel like Sentry is gonna be one of two things. Either he's gonna be a either a sac like, breaking case of emergency sacrifice. Like, he's our last hope. Like, he's the only one that can stop him. Or Doom is going to somehow get ahold of him and utilize his his powers for his own gain.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I don't know how that's gonna happen, but, you know, Doom's done some crazy shit in the comics. So we don't know quite what version of Doom we're gonna get in the MCU. So until we do, it's hard to speculate what's gonna happen. But, yeah, Sentry just as an entity is he's essentially the MCU Superman. I mean and like we know with Superman, he can pretty much stop anybody unless these certain, you know, nerfs are put in his way.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And with with Bob, it's literally just crippling mental illness. So a good therapist can keep, keep everything conquitory.
Alfredo Brown:I'm curious because I do think that Sentry slash Void is going to be the most important character for the MCU going forward because I do think, Koff, there is going to be that that connection. So, like, for example, if our current new Avengers are seeing when there is an interdimensional disturbance and they can sense it themselves, there's got to be something where this version, this new version of Doctor Doom, is probably sensing something from the other side. Like, where is exactly the void? Is this a pocket dimension? Is this creating some sort of incursion?
Alfredo Brown:Like, where is that coming from? Where are these people going? These are these are questions that are probably gonna go unanswered until Doomsday or until even Secret Wars, right, where there there's there's a bell being rung, so to speak, to steal the line from, Batman versus Superman. And, like, the bell's being rung, someone's gonna hear it somewhere, especially with the void creating all this. But I think outside of the actual powers, if we we're getting rid of that, to me, I think one of the most important characters going forward here is gonna end up being Bucky because he's sort of that comfort food for us that he's been around the whole time.
Alfredo Brown:As an audience, he's going to let us know it's Okay. Like, this movie is going to be good. The scenes he is in is going to be quality. And he is gonna be that connective tissue to the OG Avengers. Like, you you hear it already in the post credit scene, which we're gonna break down in a second, where he's saying, I talked to Sam.
Alfredo Brown:It did not go well. The only one that can that can do that. Maybe Yelena with, with oh my gosh.
Jagger May:What's
Alfredo Brown:our Clint. Yelena with Clint, maybe. Right? Or, with oh my gosh. Why am I forgetting the names?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Who's who's the
Alfredo Brown:Kate Bishop. Oh my gosh. Thank you. And I just rewatched it too. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:So but, like, there's not there's not much of a connection aside from Buck.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You know who's you know who's not gonna be important moving forward? Taskmaster. So Man, that was quick,
Jagger May:but that was like, how much did they paid Olga, Kuri, Lenko? Like
Alfredo Brown:For one line. For one line. And they fixed the mask too.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I have a question. I have a question. Do you think they're gonna recast like, this is opening up, like, a new taskmaster coming into the
Alfredo Brown:new male taskmaster.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Right. And because I know that was the biggest complaint in Black Widow. It's like, oh, they fucked up taskmaster. But
Jagger May:they did. It's not just it's not about the gender swap. He's one of the coolest characters, and they fucked that up. Like, I will give him
Matthew Kopfhamer:that. Why I'm wondering I'm wondering if they kill off this version so that way they can open up the creativity for a future movie or project where they can bring in the true taskmaster.
Jagger May:I mean, it'd be cool because, like, taskmaster taskmaster is a mimic.
Alfredo Brown:Asterisk.
Jagger May:Yeah. He's a mimic. And, and that's just to me, that's an incredibly cool power, if you know what that like, he can just recreate anything from anyone that makes him, like, one of the most dangerous villains ever. I mean, we see something like bullseye and how crazy that is. Imagine taskmaster, except he can use a fucking sword and a shield.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mirror any move you do. But he refuses to fight Deadpool and Moon Knight because they're like, we don't care if we take damage. Like
Jagger May:Yeah. Exactly. He's like,
Matthew Kopfhamer:hell no. I'm not doing that.
Alfredo Brown:I don't think they do anything with Taskmaster going forward. I just don't think there's gonna be marketability for that. Yeah. I think this was this was the cleanest way to bring back someone that Yelena knew and establish there was a connection there. Just be like, all right, well, you get one line and you're out.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then they loot her corpse. God.
Alfredo Brown:She would want me to have these.
Jagger May:Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh, man.
Alfredo Brown:So okay. So we talked about who's most important character going forward. But from this movie, I feel like there's kinda two questions we can ask for these characters, and it's who leveled up the most in this in this movie?
Jagger May:Or, like, literally? Like
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. If it's if it's power
Alfredo Brown:wise, it's Bob.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Like, from a power standpoint, it's Bob a century. But from
Alfredo Brown:a Okay. Well, not from a character that we got introduced to, character we already knew.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Probably probably Are
Alfredo Brown:we saying it's Yelena?
Jagger May:Yeah. Or is it now her importance? Both those two. Like, she's important, and Alexei has gone from being in prison to
Alfredo Brown:Your insubordinates will be reported to DoorDash HQ.
Jagger May:Yeah. I get it, though. He's like, I said leave on porch. It's like, hit so bad when they not. I'm like, what the fuck, dude?
Alfredo Brown:Now my dogs are going crazy. I didn't want this.
Jagger May:Yeah. But, he's another one where, like, you would talk about true level up. He's gone from being the dad that we kind of liked and saw glimpses of in a movie that not everyone enjoyed to, like, fuck. Give me some Red Guardian. You know?
Jagger May:Like, it's under that level. And I you wanna talk about biggest level up? Just like, we were always gonna like some some Flo Pugh. Like, we're at, like, she's just the top of the game right now. But, like, Alexei, David Harbour, man, what he's done with that character to make us give a shit, Guardian's a Galaxy level, like, of level.
Alfredo Brown:He's Drax.
Jagger May:He's Drax. Exactly. He's Drax now. And and it's not even Drax.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Though there's an argument to be said that US agent had the most growth because he went from a character we all despised, that somebody we're kinda rooting for now. So I feel like they did a tremendous job giving us some some newfound perspective for his story. And, like, yeah, he fucked up pretty bad, but he's not at the end of the day, he's not an evil person. He's not a even a terrible person. He's just kinda shitty, which, you know, that's a most of us.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, most of us in life are just kinda shitty because, you know, humans are selfish, and that happens. So if they can at least show that he's learning for and growing from his mistake his miss mistakes, then I think we can argue that he had the biggest level up.
Alfredo Brown:If, if we're doing the Guardians comp, US Agents kinda reminding me a little bit of Nebula here, where it's sort of villainy, sort of antihero y, but now you're kinda rooting for that asshole because they're gonna save the other heroes that you love. You know? Yep. There there's a big Guardians vibe to this, and and and I love that. And with this, one of the things that I wanted to ask because I didn't I didn't hate it, but I do I do wanna know, did they stick the landing with this?
Alfredo Brown:Because this whole theme of this movie was mental health. You get them into the void, and, essentially, the way they are
Jagger May:able to Shame rooms.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. They're they're interconnected shame rooms, which is such a great line. But you're you're getting to this point here where the way to win is to just hug Bob and let him know that you're there for him. Did that work for you, Koff? Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. How how did that work for you?
Matthew Kopfhamer:I loved it because so often we see an MCU project end with a big CGI fight. And we saw in WandaVision, I think, was the most egregious example where you have this entire show where they're building up to this emotional endpoint, and then they just like, no. No. No. Witches fighting in the sky with CGI.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's like, ugh. So I'm really glad that they stuck to their guns, and they gave us an emotional and satisfying ending without it reverting to big CGI battle in the sky. Like, don't be wrong. We got some some fighting, some some violence, especially with Bob fighting against the void inside his own mind. And they realize like, no, no, no, no.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That's the wrong way to solve that. And, you know, that's a huge metaphor for life. It's like, hey, sometimes you can't punch your way out of a problem. Sometimes you gotta talk about it and come to the realization like you got some work to do on yourself and on your relationships. So I I thought it was a an emotionally satisfying ending.
Alfredo Brown:It was you know, it's funny. It's like you say, you can't just punch and kick your way through things in life, and that's the thing that Yelena mentions. Okay? None of us fly. None of us have powers.
Alfredo Brown:All we do is punch and shoot. Suck. And and you get to the point where this incredibly powerful character in Sentry is at a point where really all he can do at that point is punch and shoot and do everything that they can, and it just doesn't work. And it was that perfect look in the mirror moment for all these other characters that have said, like, I can do this alone. I I don't I don't need to I can just push this void down, push these feelings down, which was, I think, I don't know if it was an intentionally funny scene the first time that that they did that where she's talking to Bob, but then to kind of circle back to it and realize, like, man, you can't push it down.
Alfredo Brown:I was wrong to say that. And, you know, I've I've heard it be classified as, like, a big group hug and the power of friendship that saves the day here. And it's one of those times where the the trope, I'm okay with it because they established that this group was not gonna be able to do anything else against the void.
Jagger May:Yeah. It's anime, baby. I I was gonna say, like, like, a %, like, half of anime, they're like, wow. We've watched a 50 episodes for this to end with a hug. Like, that's kind of
Alfredo Brown:That's that is Ash and Pikachu every time going up against someone stronger. It's like, but I love you, Pikachu. He's like, fuck it. Let's dust off. Let's go.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah.
Jagger May:Lock it in. You're not really an asshole. You just really need a hug. You know, like, that that that's what it is. So, like and I'm not hating on it.
Jagger May:You're right. It's a trope. But, like, we can only have so much originality. And to be fair, this is not a trope that the MCU has done a whole lot, and it's a rule breaker. Like we've said, it was kind of nice that we didn't have a big CGI fight.
Jagger May:It was just like, fuck. We gotta go get Bob. He's really going through some shit. He's, yo, he's infantilized himself in a attic in his own brain. You know?
Jagger May:Like, we need to go in there and get him. It was very nice.
Alfredo Brown:What's wild is that the MCU actually tried this in the movie just before it, Jack. I know you haven't seen it, and spoilers for everyone because we talked about MCU here is Captain America Brave New World. Sam has to give a speech to get Red Hulk to calm down. That's it. Because he can't beat him in a fight.
Alfredo Brown:And the MCU has tried this as of lately, and it didn't hit. This one hit, and they did it well. And it wasn't it wasn't quite so bothersome as, like, as previous iterations of this.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Because it didn't come out of left field. Like, they set it up at the the very first scene with Yelena jumping off the building. She's monologuing to herself about not having a purpose and feeling lost and and despair. And so that's the entire theme of this movie is like some when you're alone and you feel alone and and you're despairing, sometimes the thing that's gonna bring you out is just human connection with another person or a group of people. And that's what like, we are a social creature.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That's why one of the worst punishments you can do to somebody is isolation. You put them in a room by themselves and let them sit there with their own thoughts for twenty four hours a day, they're gonna break real quick. So you need that that connection with other people to keep you sane and grounded. So I think they really put the work in at the beginning of the movie in the first two acts that the third act made sense and felt right. It didn't feel like it just came out of nowhere.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Was like, well, I'll save the day with a speech.
Alfredo Brown:The post credit scene. We get to it's the longest post credit scene we've had in the MCU. We get to fourteen months later where all of our characters are now working I don't want to say four, because they say we own you to Valentina. But they are the new Avengers. And we start to see all the different magazines and newspapers and the titles and the headlines and the photo ops and the cartoons and all that stuff in, like, in the New Yorker and big big, you know, big publications.
Alfredo Brown:We also find out Sam Wilson is rebuilding the Avengers, which if you watched Brave New World, you find out he has to do that. And then there's the whole thing from the leader saying, yeah, the others are coming. Okay. Multi multi multiverse. Got it.
Alfredo Brown:They mentioned a space problem, and then we get this interdimensional shift where they get satellite image of the fantastic four ship coming through. I wanna get your guys' take on this, Jag. What do you think we're getting here? Because we obviously, we don't know what's going to happen, but it does feel like we've gotten an ending projected pretty well for what's going to happen in Fantastic Four and how these characters end up part of our Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Jagger May:I mean, I think we're we're getting the big setup to doomsday, so that's obvious. And Right. If if we're gonna get this big interdimensional problem, maybe this is it's the multiverse thing that we keep fucking getting, and it's it's a little bit exhausting for me. Yeah. But, like, we need fantastic four somehow.
Jagger May:I think this is all just getting these characters to bump into each other so we can get the big bad. Instead of having the, the Avengers buildup that we've had in the post, credit scene, we're getting all these teams. They're like, hey. All all what's going on? We have this bigger problem, and eventually, it's gonna be everyone up in the sky looking at whatever doom or what or getting zapped somewhere.
Jagger May:So maybe not so much a direct conflict, but it will be a, at least a meetup. I have to me, the biggest thing that I've seen from, like, the fantastic four and all this is Franklin Richards is a big old circle thing. He's Mhmm. We'll talk about OP. He's one of the most powerful Marvel characters of all time.
Jagger May:He's in a mega level level and the most important thing, he is a mutant. And if we're gonna get X Men, Fantastic Four and the X Men running into running into each other a lot because Franklin Richards is a mutant and his family are not, and he kinda has two families per se, two worlds.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So I know you didn't see the Marvels, Jack, but the post credit scene of that is Monica Rambeau in with the X Men from the Fox universe. So she gets transported accidentally to that universe. So I feel like this is just the opposite version of that. We're now we're seeing yeah. So it's the opposite version of that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So now we're seeing another universe is fantastic four come to the MCU universe, like you said, setting up doomsday because we're gonna get these incursions that are gonna bring everybody into the MCU's universe, if you will. Now my prediction is that we're gonna see the end because we know Galactus is the big bad in Fantastic Four. And I think we're and we know that Sue is pregnant with presumably Franklin. So I think what's gonna happen is they're gonna fail their mission to save their own world from Galactus, and Franklin's gonna get born in that moment or near that time. And he's gonna just naturally because he's so goddamn powerful, he's gonna naturally open a space, you know, dimensional rift and get them to safety.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then Doom is either gonna follow them or he's gonna be on the ship with them somehow. So that's my prediction for what we saw.
Alfredo Brown:Well, boys, we've talked a lot about this movie. We've gone through the ins and outs, postcarded scene. It's time to give the rating on a scale of one to 10. Jagger, where are you at with this movie?
Jagger May:This movie was an eight overall. This one is just just a great standalone movie and one that I wanna rewatch as soon as I can.
Alfredo Brown:I like it. Okay. Cough, Where are you
Matthew Kopfhamer:at this time? I'll give it an eight I'll give it an eight as well. I think guardians three ranks higher for me, but it's a It
Jagger May:was a nine. Yeah. It was, a nine or 10. That was Toy Story three. That was, like, just perfection.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
Alfredo Brown:I'm right there with you guys. It's eights across the board. It's eights across the board, and I wanna see what we compared like, just comparatively what we rated Deadpool and Wolverine. Yeah. Koff, you gave Deadpool and Wolverine a nine.
Alfredo Brown:Jag, you gave it a nine. I gave it a 7.5.
Jagger May:Had a lot of fun.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I think on I think on retrospect, I would give it a lower score with it. It was the for coming off of it the first time watching, you're super hyped, but rewatching, I'm like, alright. It's not as incredible as first seven and a half, eight. But I
Alfredo Brown:I had that unfair advantage of watching it twice. So, like, that's why I was a little bit lower. But I'm gonna get I'm gonna give this an eight, man. Like, this was a good movie. They did what I love, like, that filmmakers do is make us care about characters we shouldn't care about.
Alfredo Brown:And they're honestly they're making us care about a cinematic universe that we don't care about anymore. So guys, I don't it feels like Marvel's back, Astris.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'll be back.
Alfredo Brown:Maybe?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Asterisk. Asterisk.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. That's a that's how you close out a show. We're gonna wrap it up. We're gonna be back again Monday morning with The Last of Us, and then what is it? Wednesday?
Alfredo Brown:Andor. Wednesday, Thursday with Andor.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Thursday.
Alfredo Brown:So we got a we got a lot of cool stuff that we're gonna continue talking about. And once again, we're still taking you guys suggestions for future episodes and future ideas, future topics, any shows, movies, anything you want us to take Not the Minecraft movie.
Jagger May:Don't ask.
Alfredo Brown:Not Minecraft. No. Don't do that again. No. We we already got a couple of those.
Alfredo Brown:No. Thank you. No. Thanks.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It was fun. As always. There's your review. It was fun.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, damn.
Jagger May:You watched it, Cough?
Matthew Kopfhamer:I did in theaters.
Jagger May:He didn't tell us. That that he didn't tell us. That tells you a lot.
Alfredo Brown:He he was one of those popcorn
Matthew Kopfhamer:throwing with it. He was
Jagger May:one of those popcorn throwing kids
Alfredo Brown:every time chicken jockey came on.
Matthew Kopfhamer:No. But but Jack Black and Jason Momoa are fantastic either. They have they have some fun chemistry. So
Alfredo Brown:The way Jason Momoa looks in that movie just pisses me off.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mhmm. It's fantastic.
Alfredo Brown:Anyways, that's a wrap. I wanna thank you guys for watching and listening all the way through for myself, for Jag, for Koff. We'll see you next time.
Jagger May:One of my friends from high school and, like, family friend, I've known her a long time, but, like, I had to, like, delete her off everything because it was just sad to look at. Like like, she was just like, look what I found out and and, like, posted a picture on her story of her using a a cooler as a coffee table. And because it had the cup holders, she could put, like, her bog in there and was just, enamored by it. It was, a full like, you know what someone's story looks like like a perforation on it? It was just about this.
Jagger May:I'm like, you know, normal people have coffee tables. Like, you go find one on
Matthew Kopfhamer:the the street.
Jagger May:It's like, you know, it's like
Matthew Kopfhamer:But you owe coffee to that built in cup holder.
Alfredo Brown:Jesus, Shanice.
Jagger May:So you're way too far in the trenches.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Goddamn it, Bernice.
Jagger May:Oh, Shanice McKee. She never had a shot.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Aw.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. We're keeping we're keeping names out of the the stingers here.
Jagger May:She can't even afford to listen to us, dawg. Like, it's Flea show.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Free on YouTube.
Alfredo Brown:She doesn't have a screen.
Jagger May:Everybody knows she ain't got Internet. I
Matthew Kopfhamer:don't do the email. What?
Alfredo Brown:Out of McDonald's with phone she found.
Jagger May:I was I was literally about to say it's like, cool. When you when you hit up the tote pole gas station for the Wi Fi, holler at me.
Alfredo Brown:Dude, I had friends like that, man, where I'd be like, what are you doing? He's like, well, let's go head over to McDonald's, get some Wi Fi. I'm like, shit. It's like that? It's like, yeah.
Alfredo Brown:And it's the old phones too.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like, the straight up, they got them bricks, dog. It's just
Alfredo Brown:like Yeah.
Jagger May:It's like, damn, that shit still got buttons on at the front. It's like It still uses t nine. What the fuck?
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm not gonna lie. I miss a t nine keypad. I get fucking text while looking under my desk
Jagger May:at school. It class, dawg. I was risking girls up. So good. I'm so good at it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then Yeah. Fucking smarts smartphones are goddamn touchscreen. I can't do shit. Yeah. Stare that fucker.
Jagger May:Injury. In a bad way.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Which is why it's really dumb that they put fucking touchscreens in cars and the consoles and cars. Because Looking
Jagger May:at a Tesla, I'm like, this this feels wrong because, like, the miles per hour is, like, this big. I'm like, the top corner screen. It's just it it literally it clearly was designed by someone who doesn't like cars. You know? And so I was like, how do we make a car even less fuckable?
Matthew Kopfhamer:And yeah.
Alfredo Brown:Fuck. How do we make a car less fuckable? What a line.
