On today's episode of the unbinged podcast, we're giving you our breakdown and review of the last of us season two episode four titled day one. Has this show finally evolved beyond Joel? We're gonna answer that question. We're gonna talk about the Ellie and Dina relationship because they are on fire right now, and we finally get the debut of Jeffrey Wright's character, Isaac. This show could be going in such a cool direction.
Alfredo Brown:We're gonna talk about all that and more on an all new episode of Unbinged starting now.
Samantha Holt:This is your official spoiler warning. If you have not watched season two episode four of The Last of Us, stop. Go watch that now, and then come back and join us so we can talk about the show, and you'll actually know what we're talking about.
Alfredo Brown:Also, just let this run all the way through on mute while you're watching Last of Us because we need to watch time. Welcome to YouTube, everybody. Guys, we've asked this question for the last two weeks. Can this series not only survive but thrive without Pedro Pascal's character, Joel? Two episodes later, Has the show evolved?
Alfredo Brown:Has it answered that question? Sam, where are you at right now post Joel, Last of Us?
Samantha Holt:Post Joel, I feel like this show definitely has the legs to carry us through this season and further. What we got from this episode to me was just if episode two was all the drama, everything at its absolute height, the buildup, all the action, and then last week was the reprieve, the moment to breathe before we get into their actual journey, We know what the rest of this season's gonna be now based on this episode. It's gonna be so dramatic, so traumatizing, and so difficult to watch for so many reasons because the depravity of humanity is gonna keep us locked in. It's gonna be drama filled, and we're gonna have the moments with Ellie and Dina that are gonna keep us holding on, wanting these two kids to keep making it through and finish this journey. And we're gonna get those little nuggets of Pedro Pascal, of Joel, like we did with the guitar scene.
Samantha Holt:And Dina's saying, you know, Joel taught you well. And Ellie says very with a big beautiful smile says, yes. He did teach me well. And that we're gonna get a lot of those. And I feel like we're still gonna get some flashbacks, and I can't wait for them.
Samantha Holt:But this show absolutely has legs to keep going without him.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. And to piggyback off of that, I really think that Joel is the backbone of the show. Whether he's on screen or not, his influence is felt in almost every interaction that Ellie's on screen because he was such a big influence on her as a character. So I don't know if the show has evolved past Joel because you really can't. Like, he is the bedrock that this show is built upon.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So we're gonna keep getting reminders of him, of his character, like you mentioned, Sam, with the guitar scene, which is a direct adaptation from the game. So I don't know if it'll ever really quote unquote get past Joel because it just can't. Like, he is such an integral part to everything that's happening that even when he is not there directly on screen because he has died, he can still be felt in every, every scene. At least that's what I think.
Jagger May:I'm gonna push back, but, like, not hard because I think you're Is that, like, we're always gonna feel Joel's ghost in a sense, you know, where he's always gonna have that presence. We're always gonna reference him. But and I know we keep making this comp, and I think out of all people you relate to this cop, it's gonna be like Ned Stark in a sense. And and and I don't think we're gonna have that stamina that we're that we've had with with Game of Thrones for, like, eight seasons. But at least, let's say, two or three seasons after Ned died, you it was always a thing.
Jagger May:There's a whole fucking war about it. So, like, I think that presence is where we're gonna see Joel, but it's not so much like, man, this show really lost its legs ever since Papa Pedro got off. You know, I don't think that's quite it. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. And I think it's the opposite. I think the show needed Joel to exit stage left to continue to grow.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Totally. That's that's where I was going with this is because I think this show not only survives, but it does. It changes. And I think it changes all of these characters for the better where you don't have this, and I mean this in in the best way.
Alfredo Brown:You don't have this glass ceiling of Joel who he shines so bright that he he his character, his aura sort of stunts all the other characters. And that's kinda where Game of Thrones was for a bit where you're just always thinking Ned has got to be the main character. Ned's got like, Ned is our guy. He's in all the marketing stuff. And then seasons later, you're like, hey.
Alfredo Brown:You know what? This Jon Snow fella, he's got something cooking over here. Danny has a little more personality than just being, you know, the the prized possession that's being passed around from person to person, and these characters get this moment to flourish. I think that's what we're getting here already really quickly within two episodes where, Dino, we already liked her. We're seeing it even more.
Alfredo Brown:Ellie, I think the question was, could she carry the emotional beats that Joel did? Could she carry the action scenes like Joel did? And we already saw that she got that opportunity where she got to fight a man bigger than her, and she did it well.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Took him out.
Alfredo Brown:You know, she and Dina got to carry these emotional scenes together where it was just from being gut wrenching to beautiful, and it worked. So I look at it the same way as that these characters are only gonna continue to evolve.
Jagger May:People shooting on Ellie. Look. Like, Bella Ramsey had great form on that tackle. She kept her head up, looking at what she was hitting, drove through the Drove
Matthew Kopfhamer:through it.
Speaker 5:Yeah. Oh
Jagger May:my gosh. Great form. Absolutely.
Speaker 5:Yeah. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then she's like, Amelia turned it into a choke hold. Like, that shit was Yeah.
Samantha Holt:I know. It's awesome. The tackle to choke hold to then, you know, knife to the neck.
Matthew Kopfhamer:To the knife to the throat. Yep.
Samantha Holt:Perfect. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Gangsta, which we saw we saw episode one, her practicing these moves. So again, it's just tight writing that they bring it back and it's a natural evolution of her training that we saw. So again, kudos to the writers for keeping that in mind. And instead of having wasted time on screen, we're seeing if you see something happen on screen, there's probably gonna be a payoff even if it's three episodes layer later.
Alfredo Brown:This whole thing, we talk about how the show has not only arrived, but you have the Ellie and Dina relationship here where that is changing, growing, and you're starting to see even just them walking around in Capitol Hill, They see the pride stuff everywhere, and they don't even know what it is. This is, like, this is it it's it was such a moment where it took me out of it where, like yeah. It's not even yeah. That that was really funny. It was no.
Jagger May:It was, like, the thing
Alfredo Brown:that you even start to think of gay marriage was not legal until 2012. And this show changed the the starting point of the dates where it wasn't 2013. It was 02/2003. So they lived in a world where being gay was just taboo. Like, they are still finding so much out about themselves, where they are in this world, to the point that they don't even quite understand their identities at this point.
Alfredo Brown:Dina talks about it. The mom's like, no. You like boys. That's who you are.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Which I love that dichotomy because now they're showing a younger gay couple in that grew up in this post apocalyptic world where gay marriage wasn't a thing, where gay relationships had to be hidden. And we saw last season with, the Bill storyline that those were a gay couple who had lived in the world before the Cordyceps took over. So they knew that there was at least this possibility that they could, you know, have a a gay relationship even if it wasn't open. And then they had the opportunity to be together in the apocalypse. So I I thought that was really nice, dichotomy between the two couples where you had one that had the knowledge of the world beforehand, and now you have the ones that don't have that knowledge.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And so they are oblivious to things like pride and and the pride flag. So I thought that was a really cool little tieback.
Jagger May:Yeah. And it's and like you said, Alfredo, it's interesting because, you know, it's 2025 for us, obviously. It's such ingrained in our world now, you know, where we down to, like, our emojis. We have, like, flag emojis down to our politics in here that it's crazy that this world hasn't even had time to think about that shit. And one thing I really appreciate about this is, like, I felt like this was a good Dina episode, because I was very harsh on Dina last episode.
Speaker 5:Mhmm.
Jagger May:And then now see and now seeing this, it gave me an understanding because Dina's in a place that I can't even relate in, you know. And that's a lot of where I had my confusion. I'm like, well why is Dina so flighty? And I'm like, oh, well she's trying to be straight. She's trying to be something she's not or what's you know.
Jagger May:And it makes a lot of sense. So for Dina, the fictional character, I apologize. I was not familiar with your game.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Listen, saying, she's a young woman with conflicting emotions. Like, come on. It was like Mhmm. You gotta stop judging people so harshly at first first look.
Alfredo Brown:I feel like after this episode, I'm gonna keep
Jagger May:judging people harshly.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I will
Speaker 5:do this. Never. Never.
Jagger May:I will I'm willing to backtrack.
Matthew Kopfhamer:A cover, I'm judging them.
Alfredo Brown:Sam. Sam. Come on. You're part Latina. You know that's not how this works.
Alfredo Brown:No. We judge everybody. We judge everybody, even our own race, our own family. You all are getting judged. That's how this goes.
Samantha Holt:Yes. And then, unfortunately, it shows across our faces that there is judgment happening.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Oh, %.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. It's not of poker face is judgment. It is, oh, this is judging. And yeah. Gonna feel it.
Samantha Holt:I felt like after this episode, though, we can finally put aside the, oh, well, Dina's just confused. It's like, because we have so much more context now. We have an understanding of where she's coming from, what she grew up with. And to everything that you brought up, Alfredo, I wasn't even aware of this with the dates of the game. I think it definitely helps paint a picture.
Samantha Holt:And it's also such an interesting dichotomy. If they go in, they see all these flags, see this pride. Wow. They're, like, really into rainbows here. They're really optimists.
Samantha Holt:And then not, what, ten minutes later, five minutes later, they say, what is happening in Seattle? Because they're seeing just the wreckage of what's been a years long war between two groups of people, not even against the infected. Three. Yes.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Because it started with fedra.
Samantha Holt:It started with fedra. Sorry. Yeah. Fedra.
Alfredo Brown:The WLR. The Sarafiska.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. And then Nessera. Yes. So
Matthew Kopfhamer:Which which I thought was I I thought was awesome to show, especially after we saw Jackson Hole for the beginning of this season where we see this idyllic community that got to grow outside the influence of, like, Ephedra or or these authoritarian groups. And you could see that they not only grew but thrived because they're a community of they they utilize collaboration. Whereas you see these strongholds like Boston, Seattle, Kansas City, who were under the influence of FedRA, had that iron grip of authoritarianism, then you had a rebellion or a rise up by a group like Fireflies or WF, and they just continue that cycle of oppression and violence. And so they'll never be able to expand beyond that or grow beyond that cycle until they come together and stop killing each other in cold blood. And we saw it again this episode where the the Seraphist got murdered on the street last week by agents, we we assume.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Then this episode, they do the attack where they they literally gut, what, like, a dozen WLF agents and hang them in the theater, make it real like a tableau almost. And so and again, what was the reaction? The soldiers were like, first people we see we're gonna kill. And that was Ellie and Dina. So we're continuing to
Alfredo Brown:see a point to say too is I don't care if they're women or babies. And I was just like, really? If found a baby in there, you just shoot the baby?
Samantha Holt:Yeah. Know. Was that very exciting.
Speaker 5:For it
Matthew Kopfhamer:to come out
Alfredo Brown:Shooting the baby.
Matthew Kopfhamer:For that episode to come out on May when you have, you know, everyone watching
Samantha Holt:Oh, the Younglings.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And Anakin with the Younglings. Yes. I thought anyway, intentional or not, this continues to show that people when they yeah. People when they devolve into tribalism and they stop seeing other groups as people, but as an other, as animals, as we saw the example of that one agent who had followed Isaac from the truck. And now ten years later, he's like, they're animals.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Gotta kill them all. Like, that devolution of people is a core theme, I think, for this season. Because how are we any better than the cordyceps? The cordyceps are actually better because they're a hive mind. They're all collectively going towards one goal, whereas people are these disparate groups all fighting amongst themselves instead of focusing on the bigger issue.
Matthew Kopfhamer:We saw that
Alfredo Brown:people get radical radicalized walkers.
Speaker 5:This is how
Alfredo Brown:people get radicalized.
Speaker 5:If you're
Alfredo Brown:not radicalized if you're not radicalized yet Don't get our ego. But you're like, yeah. Those cordyceps, they really got it going on. They really got it all together.
Jagger May:I'm just saying
Alfredo Brown:They work as a team.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Just saying.
Alfredo Brown:It's interesting to see hockey against the Russians, and you're all in.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm just saying. It's the Russians. Interesting to see. Yeah. Right.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It it's really interesting to see that the cordyceps, they are quote, unquote, the bad guy. They are the main antagonist because they are trying to wipe out humans, but they're working to get you don't see infighting amongst cordyceps, but you do with humans. So it's just an interesting
Alfredo Brown:You don't know. You're not at their meetings?
Jagger May:You're right. Don't have one. Because they're all Have
Alfredo Brown:you been at their cordyceps town hall?
Samantha Holt:No. They all they're all their thoughts go through the system, which feel everything, which we got another moment of that in this episode. With
Alfredo Brown:the What's the in the cordyceps?
Jagger May:It's actually head fungi. Nice. That's the thing about commies King fungi. Is everybody is equal. But cough, I think you're right.
Jagger May:And they even mentioned this in, like, the the the post after show commentary. And I'll just double down to say even further. Yeah. The cordyceps are a real threat, but the honest to God true threat, what's gonna kill humanity. And to be honest, I don't I don't think it's just within the show.
Jagger May:It's tribalism specifically, man. Like, it it is tribalism. It's not just like killing each other, but it one, I have so many questions about the Seraphites, the Scars, whoever you wanna call them on there, because in a sense, I agree a little bit with Isaac. I'm like I'm like, whatever the fuck this religion is is dumb as fuck, and it needs to go. But, like, maybe not to the extent to what they're doing now.
Jagger May:And I'm I'm curious if we're gonna get this bigger plot line between the Seraphites and the and the WLF, and that's gonna be a spot where we're gonna focus on and not so much worry about Jacksonville because or or Jackson. Because I was worried about. Yeah, Jackson. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:We should still be worried about Jacksonville.
Jagger May:Yeah. We should still always worry about Jacksonville.
Speaker 5:North Florida. Yeah. Are many places.
Alfredo Brown:Any of Florida.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But I
Jagger May:I was more worried about I was more worried about Ellie and Dina triggering WLF and their and them send and them coming down to Jackson Hole. But now yeah. I I understand that they got their own shit going on, and it's not so much that they're trying to conquer to conquer. They're just kinda fighting over Seattle. And to be fair, what you said, Sam, about, like, bringing up or, like, well, what the fuck's going on with Seattle?
Jagger May:I feel like we've been saying that for years. We didn't need a show. Like like, Seattle's just ready for this shit to happen at all times, man. But didn't they go full lord of the Flies?
Alfredo Brown:Starbucks was the beginning of the end for them, man.
Speaker 5:Yeah. It really
Alfredo Brown:was. It went south. You know what? Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You know what really interests me about Isaac and the the Seraphites is Isaac does not seem like a dumb person. He seems very calculating. He seems very like, he's willing to adapt to a situation even, you know, ten years or eleven years after he made the decision to leave Phedra. So I wonder if there's gonna be a point in this season where he realizes, especially after the Seraphite told him, like, every day, one of your wolves leaves and joins us, and none of us do the opposite. So I wonder if we're gonna get a moment where Isaac almost pulls like a who was who was it?
Matthew Kopfhamer:The holy Roman emperor who adopted Christian Constantine, I think, where he pulls a Constantine and he adopts their Seraphite religion to co opt it and now use it as a way to recruit more people into his cause. So instead of trying to realizing eradication isn't working, we have to assimilate. And so he almost pulls that where he then takes over this religion and becomes the new, like, quote, unquote, pope for them. And now all of a sudden, has however many people now to his cause, and that's when they decide, Jackson Hole seems like a nice target. Let's go there now.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And I wonder if that might be the end of the season. Me.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. That's You
Jagger May:you scare the shit
Alfredo Brown:out of me, folks. We we we end up in a in a situation like this. I don't think I wanna be around you. You worry me a little bit.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Don't worry.
Jagger May:I'm a little more persuasive. I see more radical shit. Yeah. See more radical shit that Cough does. I feel like I gotta step my game up.
Jagger May:Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:So I'm worried I'm fucking worried about you too. Okay.
Speaker 5:How to be more unhinged?
Alfredo Brown:Where where is everybody? Where now I'm curious. Where does everybody fall in this? Like, who's where would each of you be? A Seraphite, WLF, Phedra?
Alfredo Brown:Are you just chilling in Jackson? Are you on your own? Are you probably a Cordycep?
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm I'm probably a Cordycep. I'm I'm too big not to get bit.
Alfredo Brown:I mean, you you admire them so greatly for their hive mind.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm a very slow runner, and I got a lot of surface mass. So, like, I'll get bit real quick.
Samantha Holt:Oh, man. I would hope I'd end up in Jackson Hole because I don't wanna be a part of any of the other tribalist mindsets. It's just too dark. No. I I'm hoping I end up there.
Alfredo Brown:Built for it.
Samantha Holt:I'm not built for it now.
Jagger May:Is there something between Jackson and WLF? I is this You gotta pick.
Alfredo Brown:You gotta pick.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Bill. You strike Jaggers.
Alfredo Brown:You strike me as a WLF. Uh-huh.
Speaker 5:Good enough. Episodes ago, you said you
Jagger May:were Joel. I'm Bill? Who the
Samantha Holt:fuck is this? No.
Jagger May:Said you were From my husband's
Matthew Kopfhamer:Joel. The guy that the guy that has his own security thing, the episode three. You had you had your own house, your own Season one. Police system.
Jagger May:Oh, season one. Oh. Yes. Yes. I am.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. You're on your own.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. You're on
Speaker 5:your own.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like
Matthew Kopfhamer:like, I'm You're chilling there, cooking, eating, drinking wine.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah. The only thing stopping me from being that now is money, to be honest.
Speaker 5:Just waiting
Jagger May:for that.
Samantha Holt:It was it's definitely next to come.
Alfredo Brown:Dag's just sitting here praying for a cordycep outbreak like this.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Honestly, that's how he's gonna get him off.
Alfredo Brown:Don't don't need the money.
Jagger May:Yeah. Dude, the the the reason why I identified with Isaac, I'm like, wow. This nigga is literally cooking.
Speaker 5:Because I was just like I
Alfredo Brown:was sitting here thinking Jack's loving this part right here.
Jagger May:Yes. I was just like, he's like, excellent taste to pan. He's using stainless steel. Yeah. Not not some Copper
Speaker 5:and steam.
Alfredo Brown:Knows about the copper.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He knows he knows what's up. I was like like, I could get down with some WLF.
Jagger May:You know? It's like, you told me all I gotta do is kill some babies, and I get some French cookies.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Hey. We're gonna price some ice oil, I guess.
Alfredo Brown:Too much. Too much. Okay. So cough's a cordycep. Sam I think Sam and I are both living in Jackson.
Alfredo Brown:Cough's definitely a cordycep. Jack, I'm not gonna lie. I think you're leading WLF.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Jesus. I
Speaker 5:think you're I do. You might be. You
Alfredo Brown:get one look at those those copper pans, and you're like, I think I could do this.
Samantha Holt:It's a very clever weapon for torture.
Alfredo Brown:I'm not
Speaker 5:gonna lie.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Man, all I was thinking was, like, please please don't get my guy in his bits with the with the pan. Was so relieved when he got him on the hand.
Jagger May:A lot
Matthew Kopfhamer:of full frontal nudity. A lot of full frontal nudity.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. It was
Jagger May:It it was crazy how he had that Jeffrey Wright, especially seeing him playing stuff like in Hunger Games, and then we see him play Bernard in Westworld. He'd playing this quiet, brutal, intelligent character. I haven't seen it since Boardwalk Empire to where, like, he's smart. He was even respectful. Give me your hand, please.
Jagger May:Like, he could've touched that pan wherever. You know? Mhmm. But, like and I know this is weird about torture, but it wasn't as brutal of a torture as what I expected when you see a naked dude sitting there.
Samantha Holt:I mean, was there for a while. You could tell he'd
Matthew Kopfhamer:inventor some stuff. He'd run the shit kicked out of him.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. He was bleeding.
Matthew Kopfhamer:He he makes the when he's when he says the line about, like, where's your profit now? He's like, oh, blah blah blah. He's like, oh, she just watched you get the shit kicked out of you. Like
Jagger May:Three people watch the games. Is is is Sarah or play the games. Is Sarah fights in the game? Can we get an explanation on this religion? Because, like okay.
Jagger May:Woah. Hey. Did you guys know this that
Alfredo Brown:Jeffrey Wright was the voice actor for Isaac in the game?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Oh. Oh.
Speaker 5:Oh, shit. Yeah. Okay.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You just I forgot
Speaker 5:about that.
Alfredo Brown:That information. I didn't know
Jagger May:knew that. And that's another one. Since we're on this huge one, Alana Ubach, I wanna see more of her in Love her.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh my god.
Jagger May:Yeah. Roxy? Yeah. She plays Roxy, Frank's horror. She is grandma Melba.
Alfredo Brown:She yes. Grandma Melba.
Matthew Kopfhamer:She's show. She's the mom
Jagger May:who's at
Matthew Kopfhamer:the show.
Jagger May:Yeah. She's in Dallas.
Alfredo Brown:She's the housekeeper from Meet the Fuckers.
Jagger May:Yeah. Wade is he's the the meat. Like, everything she's in is, like, tiny, but so fucking good. I'm just curious to see her cook as a revolutionary. I I hope that wasn't, like, a little Josh Peck knit like, tidbit, and I want more of that.
Jagger May:She's she's too good
Alfredo Brown:of an actress that for us to not see her again. I
Speaker 5:think I
Alfredo Brown:think she pops up somewhere else.
Jagger May:Like, she clears Josh Peck, which is crazy because she didn't have a Nickelodeon show. You know?
Samantha Holt:Well, you guys just said it. She's a she's a really good actress, and Josh Peck, I
Jagger May:don't know. Josh Peck.
Samantha Holt:So that's nice.
Alfredo Brown:Josh Peck is Josh Peck. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah.
Jagger May:Yeah. Another Greenberg. Man, when
Matthew Kopfhamer:Just boy.
Jagger May:Just boy.
Alfredo Brown:What was what was so, just encapsulating about that scene is seeing how Jeffrey Wright's character, Isaac, feels like Fedra has betrayed him because he hears them talking about these citizens as voters to mock them. Yeah. And then later on, we see him how far gone he is as a leader of WLF where he's just calling the Seraphites scars. You've lost your identities.
Speaker 5:You're Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:And it's your your animals, your savages, and he's just back to doing a lot of the same shit as before, which
Jagger May:Swallow now.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Neither die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.
Jagger May:Yeah. Damn it. Kafa wanted that line.
Speaker 5:It's like, nah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Gotta be quicker.
Speaker 5:Gotta be faster than that. You gotta be quicker than that. The
Alfredo Brown:the the showrunner said it perfectly, I think, where he's like, everyone in this show pretty much either gets infected with cordyceps or tribalism. Or tribalism. And and, like and those are the big two things that are gonna be plaguing our characters. And right now, it it kinda feels like maybe the only two that don't have it at the moment are Ellie and Dina, but I feel like that pseudo tribalism is coming now that
Jagger May:they are
Alfredo Brown:a family
Matthew Kopfhamer:of two. Yeah. They're tribal That's
Alfredo Brown:what I'm saying. Right? It's gonna be like a well, like,
Samantha Holt:Us against the world versus us versus them. The Us versus them is they're using derogatory language they invent to also continue to, you know, dehumanize the enemy. They Abby and Ellie have or sorry. Dina and Ellie have a very clear enemy, and it's Abby. And that's all that they wanna do.
Samantha Holt:They realize they're gonna have to probably kill some other people in order to get to her, but that's their main goal and their target versus these groups are just the proverbial them. That's their enemy. And Mhmm. I mean, it was interesting in that they go back and forth in the interrogation in terms of, you know, we had a we had a truce. You broke the truce, and then you broke it, and we broke it back and forth.
Samantha Holt:And this has clearly been going on long long enough that they the violence was so bad. They said, okay. We have to stop. But then it was so ingrained that they couldn't stop going after each other in different ways because, again, it's an infection of us versus them, and we're gonna continue to use this terrible language to describe each other and make it worse. The voters
Alfredo Brown:Which we
Samantha Holt:thing that Josh was saying was horrible.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah. It it really is. Unfortunately, reflects real life.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. Yeah. It does. Yeah.
Jagger May:And that's what was say. We joke, like, about me being WLF, but, like, my whole thing in here is just like
Alfredo Brown:It's not a joke.
Jagger May:The the truth
Alfredo Brown:Is it not a joke?
Jagger May:It's a the tribalism factor, I'm totally like, I'm against. You know? But the one thing that I I get and I where I get where someone like Isaac could be radicalized is, my thought is, like, okay. You wanna go off and do your own shit and be weird and religious? You're a problem.
Jagger May:Pow. Like, that mentality is like, I don't wanna deal with you. You're going to be a problem. You just kinda create your own monster, you know, and We've established
Matthew Kopfhamer:this, Jagger. You shoot Alfredo after he sends a steak So, yeah, we get it.
Jagger May:No. Yeah. No. No. There's circumstances.
Jagger May:I'm not just gonna immediately shoot Alfredo for a steak. Will I shame him?
Alfredo Brown:What what was the intent
Jagger May:of all of our peers?
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's only one tip-off, you monster.
Jagger May:Yeah. It yeah. If it was a if he asked for mid rare and it's well done, send that shit back. But if it was mid rare and you got medium, you need to toughen up, buddy. But we always go down this rabbit hole, so I'll go there.
Alfredo Brown:It's just That's our that's gotta be our first shirt in the unbin shop. Nothing else, buddy. It's just like a steak with all the different cook temps.
Samantha Holt:Amazing.
Jagger May:What do you think is the solution? Like because you would think that an apocalypse, especially I always go back to the things that have made an impact on me, the Ozymandias with dropping a squid. He's like, if we make this large threat, it will unify everyone to stop fighting and create peace. If mushrooms killing most of the planet won't do it, what the fuck will? Like, I just don't know.
Samantha Holt:Nothing? Nothing?
Alfredo Brown:We're always trying see brains.
Samantha Holt:Yeah. Our superhuman brains that are just trying to survive, like, even not being in an apocalypse. We're all just trying to survive and be do our be ourselves, but also, like, we're a lot of people just look out for themselves. They don't look out for the community. This is we are so ingrained in social media and different things and likes and different things like, please like the show.
Samantha Holt:But also like, you know, we're trying to look out for ourselves and the community is gone. Where do you really know your neighbors? Do you say hi? Do you wave? Is there any sense of togetherness anymore?
Samantha Holt:And this show is just highlighting all of this so much in an apocalyptic era, but the mirror is pretty clear in terms of all the it's us versus them hasn't changed much.
Alfredo Brown:Yep. The Elle Dina tribe of two, I think, is going to get very interesting. And
Jagger May:Tribe of three? If you really think about it, think
Alfredo Brown:it did. Tribe of four. Tribe of four if you if you think of Jesse. Yeah.
Jagger May:That's just
Matthew Kopfhamer:how that video comes out. It's a tribute. Okay.
Jagger May:Just this thing as a fourth wheel. Is it
Speaker 5:Yes. Yeah. Only pro, actually.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's called
Jagger May:a There was a lot of good jokes there. Cough, good for you. I get the I caught that.
Speaker 5:That's so good.
Matthew Kopfhamer:So that baby's I am bro. Choice.
Jagger May:I thought she was gonna start, like, shoveling plan b's in just like, no. Because, like, can we talk about that? It is very fitting that they are gonna try to raise this baby. They are not very responsible, and you could tell that frontal court like, the
Matthew Kopfhamer:the frontal lobe's not for.
Jagger May:It's not That's what
Matthew Kopfhamer:Jesse is responsible
Alfredo Brown:for. Deep cut. That's a good behind the scenes deep cut.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Kids raising kids. Always a great choice.
Jagger May:Yeah, man. It's just like, I wouldn't do that shit in 2020 and you're gonna do this shit in Apocalypse. Like, good luck.
Matthew Kopfhamer:2029?
Jagger May:Diapers seem expensive.
Speaker 5:The
Alfredo Brown:okay. The Elle Dina thing, one, I actually think probably the most powerful line in this episode was more it felt like a throwaway line, almost something you could laugh at. And then when you sit back and think about it, you go, oh, damn, is when Ellie is saying, I'm gonna be a dad. That got me. It's it is it is the the verbal encapsulation of her essentially becoming Joel.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Becoming Joel.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. It is it is everything that she has wanted to be. It also made me really sad that Joel doesn't have that that opportunity to ever really be a grandfather. But, like, we're seeing we're seeing the change of Ellie turning into Joel. And then now for her to for for Ellie to say it out loud was it was a very emotional moment.
Alfredo Brown:And then the the the the emotions between Ellie and Dina were turned up all the way up. Every single thing I mean, that scene with Ellie playing the guitar in the music store. Probably not the smartest thing to do in the middle of Seattle.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You know, play the drums With the giant open window and wall behind you?
Jagger May:Yeah. The entire time I was ready to hear sniper fire. I was just like, Jesus Christ.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. A record a set
Alfredo Brown:of stop thinking of that. Dina just hitting the drums, I'm like, you're the smart one. What are you doing? Also, horse Shimmer is just still sitting in that music store. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:The horse.
Samantha Holt:Horse Shimmer.
Jagger May:Luckily, there's vegetation everywhere. Like like, there's gonna be so much horse shit. You gotta muck that place out like a motherfucker. My god. My country ass the whole time was just like, goddamn.
Jagger May:That place gonna be wrecked by the time they get
Speaker 5:back. So
Jagger May:when they Oh
Speaker 5:my god.
Matthew Kopfhamer:When they first get to the pharmacy and she's going through and they they show Dina finding the pregnancy test, but they don't show us what it is. I was immediately, oh, she's pregnant.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, I knew. Like Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It was like, they kept
Samantha Holt:When she found them on a stat and then she looked at something else. Yes.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah.
Samantha Holt:I was like, those are two different things.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Which funny funny interaction there when she's like, Ellie, you got a yeast infection? And Ellie's like, not yet, but I'm working on it. And then she finger banes Dina later with her dirty ass Thank cock clip fingers.
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. You motherfucker. You took it from me. That's ex what was when we were talking pre show, I was saying that's all I could think about.
Speaker 5:Well, yeah, because I wanted to
Samantha Holt:damn it.
Alfredo Brown:Alright. Well,
Jagger May:sorry. We've all heard that.
Speaker 5:I think we should leave.
Matthew Kopfhamer:We're here now.
Jagger May:I think you should leave. Like, you're Jamie Taco right now. You're taking our lines.
Alfredo Brown:We're here. We're here now. It's too late. Y'all want multiple questions here. They have not bathed or washed hands.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Haven't washed their hands. She just murdered, like, three guys. And then, yeah, her hands
Alfredo Brown:are There's definitely some Cordycep on her.
Jagger May:She got bit by Cordycep. You know? What?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Is Sam is I
Jagger May:need you to weigh
Matthew Kopfhamer:pass her immunity arm.
Speaker 5:I don't think I
Samantha Holt:can say what I'm gonna say.
Alfredo Brown:Let's bring our expert correspondent out from the field.
Jagger May:Sam Fultz now.
Samantha Holt:I think it's hilarious that it takes an apocalyptic era for you guys to be really that concerned about washing your hands.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Woah. Woah.
Jagger May:Check that.
Alfredo Brown:Bold bold of you to assume we don't want
Samantha Holt:your hands. Say. Just men.
Jagger May:Okay. Men. Not not here. Not up in
Samantha Holt:the I'm sure you guys all wash your hands
Speaker 5:We're not men.
Samantha Holt:Hand sanitizer. A %. But I'm just saying, like, I'm not I
Alfredo Brown:I She's saying the royal men. All of you listening and watching men. Your dirty fucking hands. Yep. When Clean
Speaker 5:your ass.
Samantha Holt:But in situations where I've said, you need to wash your hands. You know, guys are like, what? For stopping? Yes.
Matthew Kopfhamer:You gotta go I'm fine.
Samantha Holt:I understand. So I just think it's really funny that you guys are, like, focused on that. I'm like,
Alfredo Brown:experience. Hey. This is called this is evolution. This is evolution of the male species that three of us sat here, watched the show, and went, oh, that's gross.
Matthew Kopfhamer:That's unsanitary.
Jagger May:I was about to say, she doesn't she doesn't even know me, though, like because, like what was that? I feel like we had a whole rant on here on what I am on cleanliness, and I mainly eat with my hands. So I'm on that that fucking eastern shit where you need to wash your fingers because, like, we were built with the best utensils out there. These fucking fingers, y'all. You just need to wash them.
Jagger May:Like, wash your hands all the time. Bird flu's a problem. We're due we're due for another pandemic at any time. I'm not even saying wild shit, y'all. I just watch a lot of news.
Jagger May:And, like
Alfredo Brown:Bro, you're you're you're not beating the WLF allegations,
Speaker 5:You're you're digging that hole deeper.
Alfredo Brown:I will say this, man. Dropping the I am dropping the I am pregnant and then getting down to business immediately after.
Jagger May:What? Gripping an iron in somebody's face. Like, I'm pregnant.
Samantha Holt:I'm like So many emotions right there.
Alfredo Brown:That's insane behavior. That's insane behavior. Even if my wife came to me right now and said I'm pregnant, I don't think that my first instinct is, alright, baby. Turn off the lights. Let's go.
Alfredo Brown:Like, I'm I'm not I'm not there. Now
Matthew Kopfhamer:now imagine 19 year 19 year old Alfredo in that situation, though. You might.
Alfredo Brown:Oh, I mean, he was doing it no matter what.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. That's what
Alfredo Brown:I'm saying. Cordyceps could have been in
Matthew Kopfhamer:the room. They're nineteen years old. They have all these emotions. They survived a harrowing escape from the
Jagger May:middle of
Matthew Kopfhamer:the left. Yeah. Also, the cordyceps. Emotions He's out
Alfredo Brown:of line, but
Jagger May:he's right.
Speaker 5:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Like, I understand why it happened. Was it jarring as an audience member? Be like, oh, okay. We're going there. Sure.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But when you sit and think about it for a second, it's like, okay. It makes sense. This is the natural release of their pent up emotions, and Ellie's been feeling this for months or however long, you know, she's been, you know, holding a crush on Dina. Dina has been dealing with it since she was a kid, like, these conflicting feelings of I have to be straight, but I am interested in women. And so it makes sense that the culmination of it all would be that they have this moment.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It just felt a little jarring as an audience member because, you know, we're watching it from a third person point of view.
Samantha Holt:Well, we also got the moment with the guitar scene, which I think was Dina realizing That
Matthew Kopfhamer:was the fourth one.
Samantha Holt:Her emotions for and feelings for Ellie. So we had that in the back of our heads going into this. And so we know she realizes, oh, I got the feels. It it it happened. But then they have this moment.
Samantha Holt:Obviously, Ellie protects Dina by putting her arm in front of her. She's not aware of the immunity yet. And then she Ellie says, watch me sleep and hold a gun to me. I promise I'm gonna come back. We don't have Dina's perspective of having to sit there and watch someone she's just realized that she loves and praying that she's not lying to her and she's not gonna have to shoot her when she wakes up.
Samantha Holt:So that was a lot of buildup of how long am I gonna have to wait to realize the person that I actually love is okay And then have to also tell her this secret because she also just told me hers. I'm pregnant. Oh my god. You're immune. Sometimes you're just filled up with so many emotions.
Samantha Holt:That's the best way to show them.
Alfredo Brown:But you get filled up?
Samantha Holt:Yeah. You get filled up, and then it has to spill out.
Alfredo Brown:I hope I hope I can catch the monster. Me.
Jagger May:But I I get it. Like, long story short, when you're 19 years old, you're on some Malcolm X shit, which means by any means necessary, y'all. Know, you can't get it.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's the opposite of baby Billy and Righteous Gemstones. Was like, at this age, you gotta you gotta get what you get. Yeah. Want
Alfredo Brown:that crossover. I want that crossover of baby Billy in The Last of Us. Go on now. You gotta watch that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Be the king. He would be the king of the fungi.
Jagger May:Yeah. Go on and wash up now. You wash up good.
Matthew Kopfhamer:See, he would wash his hands before.
Jagger May:I don't believe it. He'd go in straight after wings, dog.
Speaker 5:Gross. It's horrible.
Jagger May:Alright. We
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Back back back in. Back in. Lock in.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Alright. No. Like it.
Jagger May:Like it's Ryan Googler could talk about this in Sinners, I can. I know you have this in Yeah. Of hope, but that's most of the movie. Most of
Speaker 5:the movie is gonna
Matthew Kopfhamer:be just, like, here's another one of my fetishes.
Jagger May:Just hot
Speaker 5:wing fingers?
Jagger May:Alright. No. It's anyway. Calfish fingers. Anyway.
Alfredo Brown:The the thing that I you almost forget because of how the story moves along, And then you it I think what hit me more jarring than anything was when Ellie saves Dina by putting her arm in front of her, and I was like, damn. That was that was a good move. That was a good that was Cap using the shield. And then you realize no one in Jackson knows that Ellie is immune. And it makes me start to ask, like, who does?
Alfredo Brown:Right? Do we we think Tommy knows?
Samantha Holt:Maybe. Yeah. No. Tommy knows because Joel told him.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Tommy and
Alfredo Brown:Maria Okay. Okay. So Tommy and Maria know. And is that it?
Samantha Holt:Actually, I'm pretty sure in the episode that Joel told Tommy he said not to tell Maria. And Gail doesn't know.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Oh. So maybe it's just Tommy.
Alfredo Brown:So that's just the thing. Knows. I think that becomes a really interesting
Matthew Kopfhamer:story to I
Alfredo Brown:mean, I haven't played the games. Mhmm.
Jagger May:Yeah. She did. She finally showed,
Matthew Kopfhamer:like When she shows the bite stores and she's like, it's a burn. It's like, no. That's clearly a bite. Like, you could see the bite pattern still underneath the burn. Like
Samantha Holt:Well, it was also interesting
Alfredo Brown:that she burned on top of it so you couldn't tell it was a
Jagger May:burn.
Alfredo Brown:But you could burn herself.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It was very honestly
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. Yeah.
Jagger May:Like in her stomach,
Matthew Kopfhamer:was like, hope they figured that out. Yeah. No. I know. I I understand.
Matthew Kopfhamer:But I'm saying there was a it was in a very good attempt because it was still clearly a bite first and then the burn on top of it.
Alfredo Brown:Well, this. Resources unlimited, man. She does town too and a burn.
Jagger May:Yeah. Don't Sometimes I worry about the paranoia because I feel like I'd just be way more paranoid than some of these people are. Like, you get a scratch. I'm just feeling like, alright. Inferment, buddy.
Jagger May:We're gonna, you know, we're we're gonna put a gun to you. Warranty. By the way, I meant to bring this up. I love how Ellie is just like, I know you're really scared and think you're in danger because I'm gonna kill you, but I'm gonna take a nap here. I need you to stay awake the whole time.
Jagger May:Rocky discount.
Speaker 5:That was pretty funny. I'm gonna go straight to sleep.
Samantha Holt:Just show you.
Alfredo Brown:Like, that was that was the the last of us version of, like, I'm not dealing with this shit
Speaker 5:right now. I'm gonna go to
Alfredo Brown:the other room and take a nap. See you in six hours.
Samantha Holt:That was pretty funny.
Matthew Kopfhamer:We'll talk when you've calmed down.
Speaker 5:We'll talk when you've calmed down.
Samantha Holt:I'm gonna go over there.
Speaker 5:I don't
Alfredo Brown:wanna circle back to this too much, but I did find it weird. They drew the line at morning breath, but not washing.
Matthew Kopfhamer:And then the solution was beef jerky.
Alfredo Brown:I'm just gonna say that. Very dry. Bro, beef
Matthew Kopfhamer:jerky as as mouthwash.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. Boo.
Jagger May:Well That's a good stopping point.
Alfredo Brown:It is. That does sound like a good stopping point. I feel like we've hit everything in this episode. I feel like we hit everything in this one.
Jagger May:Citadel. Ayo. Oh.
Samantha Holt:I'm very excited for next week, though.
Alfredo Brown:There it is. Yeah. I'm really excited for how many more episodes we have left to this show? They're doing eight?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Four or five? Eight or 10. I don't remember.
Alfredo Brown:Probably something we should have looked up beforehand.
Jagger May:Let me go down
Samantha Holt:Good thing we should know as a group.
Speaker 5:It's probably something up
Jagger May:this show.
Alfredo Brown:You've been here for forty minutes, so just, you know, finish this out with us. You've already been here too long.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Seven. This
Samantha Holt:also a good time.
Alfredo Brown:Seven? Seven more or seven total?
Matthew Kopfhamer:So three more. No. Oh, yeah. Seven total, so three more episodes in the season.
Samantha Holt:Oh, no. I did I'm I'm okay with that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. Yeah.
Samantha Holt:There's so much more that needs to happen.
Jagger May:Yeah. Yeah. It's a new reality. Here's four episodes. See you in five years.
Matthew Kopfhamer:What is this? The BBC? Fuck.
Jagger May:Hey. Oh, god. That is very British, man. That is super British. They're they're like, like, here's six episodes of the the beggarage.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Yeah. I stopped watching Sherlock between two seasons because I just forgot it was on TV because it took seven years to get a new season.
Alfredo Brown:We're looking at you, stranger things.
Matthew Kopfhamer:Mhmm. Yeah. That too.
Alfredo Brown:That reminds me. We got the bear coming up. That's gonna be a fun show to jump into as well. Mhmm. Can't wait for that.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I gotta catch up.
Alfredo Brown:Can't wait for that. And then HBO, they've got a we've been talking about Game of Thrones a lot, but they've got, who's our boy, Dunk and Egg? Right? Knight of the Seven Kingdoms?
Matthew Kopfhamer:Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.
Alfredo Brown:Koff, what's your best pitch for Knight of the Seven Kingdoms? Like, why why do we wanna watch this, and why does our audience wanna watch this aside from it being Game of Thrones?
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's medieval Mandalorian, but Grogu isn't just a baby and actually has some capabilities beyond just, like, a waving hand. And it's like the beginning of the Mandalore. Like, he's he is learning how to be a badass. So it's very much like two characters growing together. But they're also kinda stumbling into these really influential points in Westerosi history, so they're inadvertently changing the course of history.
Matthew Kopfhamer:It's fun. It's a lot of fun.
Jagger May:That was a lot of fun.
Alfredo Brown:That's sound fun.
Speaker 5:Yeah. I'm
Jagger May:in. He started hot. I thought it was alright. Like Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:You you really did. You started hot.
Matthew Kopfhamer:I'm not And
Alfredo Brown:you're like, man, you know, they they changed history.
Jagger May:Yeah. Like, when you said when you said medieval Mandalorian, but Grogu can actually form fucking sentences, I was in.
Speaker 5:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Alfredo Brown:It's actually clever. Of us.
Samantha Holt:Koff reads books, so, you know, he can tell us.
Alfredo Brown:I do.
Jagger May:Look. As you can see I'm
Matthew Kopfhamer:just not good at explaining them.
Jagger May:Many leather bound books.
Alfredo Brown:Smells of rich mahogany. Alright. Alright. We've done too much. We are gonna be back again next week every Monday giving you our review and breakdown of The Last of Us.
Alfredo Brown:We're also talking about Andor. That's gonna be every Thursday as well. Those are in three episode arcs. We also just did our spoiler and non spoiler review for Thunderbolts. Go check it out, guys.
Alfredo Brown:It's such good movie. If you haven't seen the movie, you can watch the non spoiler review. It'll get you all jazzed up. You'll go out to the theater. Go get yourself a fun popcorn bucket.
Alfredo Brown:Do with it whatever you'd like. Watch the movie, come back, and then watch the spoiler review. It's just it's it's a great film. Great film. Marvel's Don't
Matthew Kopfhamer:wash your hands. Say that. Don't wash your hands before eating popcorn.
Alfredo Brown:Definitely don't wash your hands, men. Looking at you. Alright. We're out of here. As always, wanna thank you guys for watching and listening all the way through for myself, for Sam, for Jag, for Koff.
Alfredo Brown:We'll see you next time. Adios.
