We've got an emergency pod here today. We're gonna be doing a really short reaction here, instant reaction to the new Avengers Doomsday official casting announcement. And, Jack, I'm moving out of my house, and I had to stop here, set this up, and let's go. Let's start talking about this because it's exciting. We got the official cast list, and apparently, they're not even done announcing the cast.
Alfredo Brown:And I I'm gonna run through this really, really fast because it is 28 different names, so I'm just gonna rapid fire them. Robert Downey Junior, Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston, Anthony Mackie, Sebastian Stan, Paul Rudd, Leticia Wright, Winston Duke, Tanakh Huerta, Simu Liu, Florence Pugh, David Harbour, Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn, Ivan Mas, Bachrock. I hope I said that right. Wyatt Russell, Lewis Pullman, Hannah John Common, Danny Ramirez, Channing Tatum, Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Kelsey Grammer, James Morrison, Rebecca Romaine, Alan Cumming, and holy shit, Jagger. That is a lot of actors, and they're not done.
Alfredo Brown:Okay. So are you disappointed by anyone they might have left out? Because they gave us every single actor pretty much except for some of the big recent Marvel actors.
Jagger May:Yeah. I mean, it you almost can't be disappointed in it. You know? It's just like, well, I wish Baskin Robbins had another flavor. You know?
Jagger May:Just like like, what about a third or second flavor?
Alfredo Brown:A really good Marvel pull, by the way. Baskin Robbins always finds out.
Jagger May:Exactly. They always know. Thank you. Of course, like, the only one I would kinda want is maybe Spider Man. You know?
Jagger May:But, like, this this almost feels like X Men versus what's whatever left of the Avengers and whatever the Thunderbolts is. Like, it if anything, I like the cast, but it's almost like, do all these flavors make sense? And how are gonna make it work? Because I talked to you about it little bit. They don't even need to call this Avengers anymore.
Jagger May:Just call it Doomsday, like a comic thing. Like, It's
Alfredo Brown:They don't even need that. It's not at all. It's not at It's all. It's not It's here's old x men and, by the way, Channing Tatum. So, yeah, he's in this now.
Alfredo Brown:And we've got the thunderbolts, and it it it we we got Namor in this. Like, it's it's all over the place. I think that's intentional, and I think a lot of that is going to have to do with how the timelines are getting messed up here. And I think they're gonna try to see if they can mix in something maybe from, like, days of future past. When you mess with the timeline, the timeline sort of messes back.
Alfredo Brown:Tom Hiddleston being in this as Loki feels like that's going to be sort of the crux of this whole thing with the way he's controlling and holding together the timelines and all the talk about how Robert Downey Junior's doom character is going to be directly connected and associated with his previous Iron Man Tony Stark reiteration and that death. So I'm almost wondering what's going to how does that even happen? Yeah. Because you're bringing in a whole another universe of these Fox X Men and everything. Do you have any theories with that, like, we might be going?
Jagger May:Not comic comic related unless they do, like, the because this is the original. Yeah. I was about to say it. It's like it feels like we got a baby of, like, of doom and superior iron man. They we've got, like, this kinda Frankenstein of it.
Jagger May:And I get why they're doing it. You know? It was like, we need to come back to our roots, so let's it's Frankenstein, this shit. Like, legitimately, this is if you sorted by who's hot right now, you know, and and who's popping, what is our best stuff that's going on. Like, we heard we're hearing tons of good things about Thunderbolts.
Jagger May:We everyone loves Chris Hemsworth. Everyone loves Tom Hiddleston. Everyone loved Robert Downey junior, so let's bring that back, and maybe that'll help our new cap. And let's reset this timeline and go forward. So, really, like, this seems completely original.
Jagger May:I think as comic fans, we can't let's just manage your expectations. You know? Manage your expectations. Don't feel like you're gonna pull directly from whatever plot line you're gonna do and expect the same thing because we're way past that. One thing I am excited for, critique aside, justice for James Marsden.
Alfredo Brown:That's right, baby.
Jagger May:He's back. Like, I want him to be the star. I don't that's what I really want. Unpopular opinion, I want him to be the star. I wanna be front and center.
Jagger May:He was the perfect Cyclops. If you are a 30 year old millennial out there that was disappointed that they made Cyclops kinda act like a bitch the whole time, and they kill him off too early. Stand up, guys. We we out here. Hashtag justice
Alfredo Brown:of us.
Jagger May:There are dozens of us. Hashtag justice for Jades Marsden in the comments, Alfred. I had to get that off. I had to get that off my chest.
Alfredo Brown:I know, man. I know. And, like, as they started to unveil all these OG X Men cast members, I was, like, I was really hoping that we were gonna get Cyclops. I was really hoping we were gonna get that. The Nightcrawler casting was interesting because, mean, I loved Alan Cumming as Nightcrawler, but your your that was your initial reaction was like, he's so old.
Alfredo Brown:Like, what do we I guess it kinda works for everybody. I mean, you're gonna have a whole bunch of old x men that are in there. I'm intrigued by this because what I think, judging by the character list here, it has to be something where the events of Thunderbolts are going to matter a lot. And because, I mean, why else have so many of the Thunderbolts in there? Like, there's not really a reason to.
Alfredo Brown:So the events of Thunderbolts have to matter. This feels more like the marketing ploy to make sure you go out and you see Thunderbolts, which is why, like, we have kept these guys in this movie to make sure it matters. And, also, I have to think that whatever's gonna go on in Doomsday is not going to be in in our earth in the MCU. Because then how do you not have people like Doctor Strange and and so many of the other big characters that are have been part of the Avengers for so long? To me, this feels more like characters from different timelines and different universes are going to be pulled into one place where this version of Doom is at.
Alfredo Brown:And it may, in fact, be whatever universe our new Fantastic Four is gonna be in. And I'm I'm not sure because that seems like what they're doing in that movie is that Reed is doing some sort of, study on opening up, you know, portals to different dimensions, and you've got Galactus there. And originally, my theory was Galactus is gonna destroy their universe. They have to go to another one. But maybe it's something different where other heroes are gonna end up coming to theirs.
Alfredo Brown:They fight in that universe. They still lose, and they end up in a new place. And now it's like, okay. Well, now we're the even bigger Avengers in a whole new Earth. What do you think?
Jagger May:Yeah. I mean, I I I think that theory is just as good as any because, really, we need to have a pass off in a sense. And, really, it's kinda like these these X Men thing. Like, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen ain't gonna get any younger. Ian McKellen, he said he's gonna hold it down for us as Magneto and Gandalf as long as he can.
Jagger May:But, like, we we gotta Michael Fassbender's getting old now at this point. Like, he's getting to where he could just be the old Magneto. You know? Like like, I want them to to do that handoff kind
Alfredo Brown:of Sexy Magneto.
Jagger May:Is that You want fuck Is that weird to say? Like like, that's man 97. Like, the Delphi small dude coming down.
Alfredo Brown:He's in
Jagger May:the North Pole in underwear. Doesn't give a shit.
Alfredo Brown:Yes. Give me that. Give me I don't know why I want that so bad. But okay. So with this, we we kinda have our theories on what the story line could be.
Alfredo Brown:You mentioned that the only character you're probably disappointed about being out of this was Tom Holland's Spider Man.
Jagger May:Maybe strange now that you meant you brought it up, actually.
Alfredo Brown:The other one I was thinking is Bruce Banner's Hulk, you know, or not Bruce Banner, but Bruce Banner, the character, Mark Ruffalo's Hulk is what I what I was getting at. But I think the Spider Man thing is obvious is first very intentional because no one knows that he is Spider Man. Like, because that because that's what the way that the previous Spider Man movie ended is no one knows it. Right? So, like, all people clamoring for him.
Alfredo Brown:Avengers don't know that he's Spider Man, and I don't know that it's gonna be easy for him to even come in and be part of something, especially and that's why I say it's like, this is probably happening in a different universe. But I also think it's very intentional because whatever happens here in Doomsday, I think, will have some sort of effect on the Spider Man movie because that's going to I believe it takes place in between Doomsday and Secret Wars. And with Spider Man being such a big player in Secret Wars and all the Secret Wars comics, I I wonder if Tom Holland's Spider Man sort of becomes, the Ant Man of it all, where it's like he's off doing something else or kinda like Captain Marvel where he's off doing something else. And then it's like, we really need you for this second battle, because we need you to show up and and help out here in this one. And he ends up in Secret Wars because I also think that you can't overload this first movie with too much star power and too much cast if you have to try to outdo it in Secret Wars.
Alfredo Brown:I noticed they don't have Hugh Jackman. There's no Ryan Reynolds. There's no Tobey Maguire. They're bringing back all these other characters. I would not be surprised if they're saving the even bigger names for the even bigger movie coming up next.
Jagger May:Yeah. That make, that makes a lot of sense to me. And I think they're gonna treat the start as kinda like the end. Like, phase four matters, stuff like to an extent. I feel like we're gonna cherry pick phase four, the things that we do like and whatnot.
Jagger May:But now they're gonna do the two parter like we had with, like, the Infinity War and Endgame, and that's how we're gonna get, like, the new start. And, really, that's what comic books do. So I'm happy they're learning because, like, man, maybe we shouldn't close shop without a real plan of how we're gonna go forward. And now we got a real plan of how they're gonna go forward, and we have two movies, like you said, and kind of with a little bit in between with with Thunderbolts and Spider Man to kind of set us up for a good reset of the MCU. Just so you think I mean, we gotta have doctor Strange.
Jagger May:Because to me, I think where they're they're kinda messing up is they don't lean on Strange more. And when they did lean on him, it flopped with I think that's what it was. Multiverse man.
Alfredo Brown:Is so charismatic, and that character is so integral to what the Avengers can be. Like, he, to me, is a very obvious leader to take over or at least be a part of whatever they're doing right now without having Tony Stark, without having Captain America. You don't have Spider Man. He's just a kid anyways. I I I'm very confused by that, and I think it's what you're saying is right, Jagger.
Alfredo Brown:I think that they just they fucked up when they did Multiverse of Madness. They're just like, you know what? We're gonna have you sit the next couple plays out while we figure out what we're doing and how to do this.
Jagger May:And relaunch you. Like because it's like you said, man. Him and doctor Fate, you know, they're copies of each other to put for DC or Marvel. There's Avengers level threat, and I consider doctor Strange level threat above that. Because, like, most of the time in the comic books, it's like, we need to call Strange, and he's just like, nah.
Jagger May:Y'all good? And he'll tip out.
Alfredo Brown:He's just playing lifeguard. He's like, that kid's not actually drowning. He's just fat and struggling with the water. He'll be fine.
Jagger May:Yeah. He's just he's like, call me when there's a, like, a real problem. He's like, sorry. You know? So, like, like, to me, this seems like a Doctor Strange level threat.
Jagger May:Right?
Alfredo Brown:Okay.
Jagger May:Yes. Especially when you have Doom who like, with this level Doom, you kinda need Reed Richard and Strange working together. Reed Richard is all nuts and bolts. You need Strange for the abstract. You know?
Alfredo Brown:So yeah. And I I like that you mentioned that because now that makes me think that this is going to be very heavy on Fantastic Four. And I think because they're gonna need to. Like, this is gonna be the proving ground for Fantastic Four where they're just like, yeah, they're not just the cutesy kind of, retro futuristic sixties group that we're gonna have here. Like, they are actually a legit force to be reckoned with.
Alfredo Brown:And Pedro Pascal's Reed Richards can be the leader of the Avengers if need be. And I think that's this kind of feels like that's what they're doing here is trying to prove to us we give you your movie, the solo movie, then we're going to have them in Doomsday. And I think they just want to give them that weight. I think this is the send off for the old X Men. I think this is the rising of the Fantastic Four.
Alfredo Brown:And I think it's just I don't wanna say a send off for some of these other, like, b and c list characters, but I think that gives us, what I wanna say, some casualties that I think that it might affect the audience a little bit, but not enough to the point that we're like, oh, no. Namor is dead. Like, it's not that's not gonna really hurt us.
Jagger May:Yeah. And I feel like Channing Tatum, that's why he's there. You know? Yeah. Because we kinda talked ahead of time, about them not learning or taking what Channing Tatum was as a joke.
Jagger May:Sometimes we don't need to make jokes whole movies because that's the point of the joke. The point of Channing Tatum was that this was a bad idea, and we shouldn't do it, and we locked it up. So, like, bring him
Alfredo Brown:back a name for himself. Like, he legit did it. He just make sure people remember this, and it's like, I guess they did.
Jagger May:In my opinion and this is now it's in my head. I don't wanna spoil it now, but this is literally, like, we have a legitimate Christopher Nolan movie, very artistic, and then the Kool Aid man makes a cameo. That's what it feels like to me. It's just like, what the fuck am I looking at here? You know, comparing Shout to
Alfredo Brown:the studio. Shout out
Jagger May:to the studio, man. Dude. Chetty Zaynab is a MCU Kool Aid man. Alright.
Alfredo Brown:So with with this, right, like we said, we're gonna keep this really quick on this instant reaction. I will say this. With every announcement I get for Doomsday, I am a little more excited for the film, and I think that's just a natural progression of it. Like, the more characters we get, the more information we get. It's a it's a big, grand, fun movie that Marvel hasn't had, and I'm starting to get a little bit more faith.
Alfredo Brown:I enjoyed Agatha. I'm enjoying Daredevil right now. There could be some some pitfalls along the way, but I feel like Fantastic Four is gonna be another good one. This could be something where they're back on the right track. So I think my hype level like, I'm I'm back to being pretty excited.
Alfredo Brown:I think before when they did the whole casting of potentially having Chris Evans coming back, which I'm glad they're not, having Robert Downey junior come back. I think I was at about a seven. I think now I'm up to about an eight. Like, my my my faith in Marvel is rising a bit more, but we're not quite back where we used to be for Endgame and Infinity War and all that. Where are you at with this, Jack?
Alfredo Brown:How excited are you for this film now that the cast is is revealed?
Jagger May:Six and a half, which Okay. Guys, that that's it's like it's I'm alright. I'm here. I'm just waiting to wow me. I'm like
Alfredo Brown:You don't owe them anything. That's the thing. It's like, we don't owe Marvel anything at this point. They gave us something like, they they wheeled out the the best meal possible and then kinda kept feeding us fast feeding us fast food for the next couple years. And it's like, we're allowed to be a little skeptical.
Alfredo Brown:My excitement and my optimism are two different things.
Jagger May:And maybe and this is my expectations, and I am willing to throw those away if they give me something else that is good, if that makes sense. But a lot of people disappointed in Daredevil. He's deaf guys, and he works on radar. He's not really good in scenarios like this. They have an opportunity
Alfredo Brown:Your devil's blind. I just
Jagger May:wanna I'm sorry. Blind. Yeah. Thank you. He's blind.
Alfredo Brown:Thank you for correcting me.
Jagger May:But they have an opportunity to fix whatever's going on with their TV and do what they were doing with Netflix better and maybe make those talk together, but we don't have to have everything talking directly all the time. So do that right. And with the Agathus stuff that, again, they done well with that, That's a whole other thing that's leading into Young Avengers. Right now, you need to fix your mainline Marvel to make us happy after some stinkers, and that's and that's why that's a six and a half. I trust your TV a little bit more now, but I need you to figure out whatever you're doing with your mainline Avengers for me to start feeling comfortable going to the movie theater opening night now, not waiting for the Tuesday matinee.
Jagger May:You know?
Alfredo Brown:Yeah. I think the unfair thing for me is I'm excited with this cast list because to me, it only feels like we can go up from here because that means that Secret Wars should be even bigger and even better. For me, I think it's gonna be it's everything on this is gonna weigh heavily on how good Thunderbolts is and how good Fantastic Four is. Because both of those movies play such big parts in this is that if those movies are not good, you kinda sunk this ship already. You can cast Robert Downey junior for Nick Fury for all I care.
Alfredo Brown:It's not going to matter at this point. Like, you you sunk your ship too early. So I am still excited. I am cautiously optimistic for this. Jag, I'm hoping we can do some more reactions to some more cool announcements.
Alfredo Brown:Whoever else they continue to cast in this, please, Doctor Strange, please. Can we get that? I just want it. Or Youssef Khan. Let's do that.
Alfredo Brown:Miss Marvel's dead.
Jagger May:Let's just get the hashtag justice for James Marston.
Alfredo Brown:That's right, baby.
Jagger May:That's right.
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Alfredo Brown:Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four, DC. We love you too, man. Superman's coming out. There's so much going on. Lanterns.
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Alfredo Brown:And as always, I wanna thank you guys for watching or listening all the through for myself, for Jagger. We'll see you next time. Adios.
